Guild Wars 2

It’s a bit different when one is comparing two matchups that happened 5 months apart, and one that happened 3 weeks apart.

Also of course when one server gets at least 7 new organised guilds across all timezones it will eclipse any internal improvements you’ve had (which I did actually acknowledge in an earlier post here https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/GH-vs-ROS-vs-DZ/page/11#post2084132)

Jong.5937:

To all in GH, you did an awesome job in the early part of the last matchup. Coming in as the red server from below you were much more of a force to be reckoned with than anyone expected. The battle was tight and I honestly don’t know who would have won if things had gone to plan.

But to claim the victory as unsullied when the last 2 days were totally destroyed by DCs does not do you any favours. As I said before this matchup started and not just now, after 3 days, better to write last week off and see who wins plain and fair this week.

The DCs started to really come into play on thursday in the borderlands. IIRC it was only really Dzag corner of EB that was affected before that. So looking at the scores during the 24hour period that was the Wednesday we cut RoS’ lead from 16k to 5k (which then went back to 7k after our standard fail morning). Then everyone wakitten really hard by dcs on the Thursday across all maps and we played through it and finished 12k ahead. The reason we pulled 11k back on the wednesday was the effort of certain individuals to stay up playing until 5am. The reason we won was through the determination of those individuals to go for the win.

You’re right when you say we will never know what the final result would have been but I think we can agree that based on the trends before the DCs started it would have gone right to the wire at the very least. And I’m sure you can see from our perspective that simply brushing off the result as a consequence of crashing problems does you guys no favours.

An unfortunate side effect of the big push is burnout. We have a limited supply of truly dedicated wvw players and we’ve not had a big turnout this weekend as a result. I don’t think you’ll see us with anywhere near the same size force this week because we got our victory, and proved to everyone we can compete. Now we can go back to not caring about the scores and just playing for fun.

Sidina.8704:

Jimmy JimBob.2801:

If it was so evenly matched then why are we not allowed to be proud of the guys who made the difference to turn the match in our favour when last time we faced you you put a 200k lead? Genuinely don’t understand your reasoning?

And if you look at the ppt history for last week you’ll see we were nearly always ticking ahead of RoS during primetime and at somepoints by a significant margin. It was acknowledged at the time that RoS weren’t strong enough at that time without VoTF and half of VcY to compete…

Ofc you can be proud to turned the match, its just the way some some people where doing it here on the Forum. And maybe you can understand that seeing comments like “maybe RoS doesn´t belong in this Tier” after we where unable to defend our border due to permanent crashes and only got 2. placed with 10k (don´t know how much it actually was) difference had a real bitter taste for us.

Yes well I’m with you there. Those comments were not necessary, nor do they hold any truth to them, but just as we shouldn’t judge the whole of Surmia over Alliance-gate you shouldn’t judge us.

zonderbon.5871:

Jimmy JimBob.2801:

It’s funny how people completely ignore their own PVD. The reason you were ahead before we did our all nighter was the huge tick you had everyday that FRS and co gave you. Every evening we ticked highest at primetime despite having a large Dzag force in our bl every day. We were 5k behind when the crashes started. That stretched to 7k during the day and that’s when we hit you hard Thursday eve/night. We had one night of PvD compared to you having 7 days of it and yet we are the ones with bloated egos?

Whatever, I guess it makes you feel better

It’s why I acknowledged that all 3 servers are more or less equal, read it again :P My apparently bloated ego still allows me to admit this.

If it was so evenly matched then why are we not allowed to be proud of the guys who made the difference to turn the match in our favour when last time we faced you you put a 200k lead? Genuinely don’t understand your reasoning?

And if you look at the ppt history for last week you’ll see we were nearly always ticking ahead of RoS during primetime and at somepoints by a significant margin. It was acknowledged at the time that RoS weren’t strong enough at that time without VoTF and half of VcY to compete…

Sidina.8704:

Jimmy JimBob.2801:

Sidina.8704:

Jimmy JimBob.2801:

yroeht.5843:

Steelo.4597:

fact is Riot Commander goes to Dzago teamspeak.

One might wonder as to how exactly you would know that, unless you admit you have contacts with enemy servers too (which is fine, by me). But tbh I don’t really care.

Someone from dzag mentioned it last monday (?) on the german boards and it was seen by Gunnars who read those. It was then later c’d by other dzag in the last thread.

thats actually not completely correct.
The guy from Dz said that their commander said in Teamspeak that he gonne whisper the commander from RiOT and not that the RiOT commander was on Dz Teamspeak.

You may well be right – my German is not very good.

However the way I heard it was that RiOT were in Dzag TS after a GvG with HON guild (I think that’s the right one) and while outmanned in their own borderland struck a deal with them to PvD and split our empty one down the middle.

Tbph it doesn’t even bother me, nor does this particular focusing and I think think that’s a sentiment shared by alot of GH. That’s why we didn’t bother bringing it up in the match thread despite having heard it 4 days before it came up. I just found it quite funny after the QQ about a supposed alliance we had with Dz that same day from certain RoS.

Well I don´t know what was going on there, I only read that german Thread.

After certain RoS player started QQing about an Dz – GH alliance, Feras asked here in forum to stop it and several other people also asked on our website to stop that QQ.
I guess there always gonne be people QQing about alliances and getting focused. I just don´t like when speculations getting called a fact and when 1 Guild “is the whole server”.

RiOT is one Guild from RoS, and even if they would have had an alliance with Dz or a certain Dz commander (where none of us yet know if its true or not), it doesn´t mean that RoS and Dz would have had an alliance.

As far as I’m aware it was only that one night. I don’t know if there’s still a gentleman’s agreement between the 2 guilds or not and tbh I don’t care.

And yes you are right, it’s not fair to tar both servers with the same brush as a result of one isolated incident at 3am

zonderbon.5871:

Ilesyt* hasn’t been online for weeks and it’s not that you deserved the win is why you get focused, but because you THINK you deserved it. It’s people like you; that get their bloated egos inflated even more after 1 night of PvD to score a10-15k-ish point lead, that are the reason both servers have it out for yours. Only a select few individuals on your server deserved that win, too bad people like you bring your server down (of which I still like a lot of people; you can steamroll me anytime Aisi <3) because everyone thinks they’re all like you.
Either way ticking +500 isn’t hard when there’s only 4 people defending at the end cause the rest logged off after crashing every half minute for a ton of times. For all the claims that you guys like fights over PvD, that “win” was all PvD. Hell, we ticked +500 when there was no crashing bug (where I chose to walk into Overlook btw, which is DZ’s as far as I know @ the alliance claimer). Props to the few DZ defenders of veloka there btw.

Maybe this matchup is of no consequence to further matchups anymore; but it is more relevant than last week’s buggy matchup, in regards to being an actual match. Because either way you look at it you didn’t “win” over Surmia last week, you won over doors. I know this is hard to believe since you’re the guy that sees us as t8 material at best; if we’re t8 at best then what does that make you? Because in prime time all 3 servers are more or less equal :P

PS. our corner in EB is turning red while we were getting pushed by blue on SM and in our BL. Teamwork anyone?

PPS. that wasn’t serious if it wasn’t obvious.

It’s funny how people completely ignore their own PVD. The reason you were ahead before we did our all nighter was the huge tick you had everyday that FRS and co gave you. Every evening we ticked highest at primetime despite having a large Dzag force in our bl every day. We were 5k behind when the crashes started. That stretched to 7k during the day and that’s when we hit you hard Thursday eve/night. We had one night of PvD compared to you having 7 days of it and yet we are the ones with bloated egos?

Whatever, I guess it makes you feel better

Hyung.6140:

Drak.7254:

Maybe if you didn’t whine so much or gloat so much when you win (given all the d/c issues last week that we had congrats! /sarcasmoff). You wouldn’t be our focus. I still have respect for a lot of people/guilds in GH but people like you just bring your whole community down.

One last note, play the game, enjoy the fights whether outmanned/outmanning. Please stop the forum trolling as it does you or your servers community no help/good.

:(

I’m not sure where you’ve seen any gloating. I just went back and re-read the last few pages of the old thread in case I missed anything but all I saw was stuff along the lines of “thanks to RoS/Dz for a good week”.

There was that bit where some guy came in and called us the worst community he’s ever seen (lol!) but we mostly responded to him in a friendly manner too.

Sure there’s some whining in this thread about alliances but most of us don’t see it and agree with your perspective on it!

I don’t know if I’m reading different threads to everyone else lately because as far as I can see there’s way more TALK about whining and gloating than there actually IS any whining and gloating.

Not to mention that the whiny posts there actually exist are outnumbered by people from all the servers being polite and non-whiny!

Anyway, I realise I’m contributing to the problem by discussing it here, but I wanted to bring a bit of perspective: on the whole this is a fun matchup with a very civilised forum discussion. Let’s not let a few forum posts (from – whatever – side) derail things, and let’s not make assumptions about whole communities based on a few people either (again from – whatever – side)!

<3

Yes I agree.

The only thing I can see that could be conceived of as gloating is us defending calls from RoS that we only won because we “exploited” the crashes.

In reality we all had crashes as well in the same places but instead of not playing we came back in game, ran back and finished the job. Not to mention the awesome effort put in by the guys who stayed up all night 2 days in a row to ensure a high tick. There’s absolutely no difference to accumulating points in this way as getting them through the day which was when RoS had highest tick in the matchup.

Sidina.8704:

Jimmy JimBob.2801:

yroeht.5843:

Steelo.4597:

fact is Riot Commander goes to Dzago teamspeak.

One might wonder as to how exactly you would know that, unless you admit you have contacts with enemy servers too (which is fine, by me). But tbh I don’t really care.

Someone from dzag mentioned it last monday (?) on the german boards and it was seen by Gunnars who read those. It was then later c’d by other dzag in the last thread.

thats actually not completely correct.
The guy from Dz said that their commander said in Teamspeak that he gonne whisper the commander from RiOT and not that the RiOT commander was on Dz Teamspeak.

You may well be right – my German is not very good.

However the way I heard it was that RiOT were in Dzag TS after a GvG with HON guild (I think that’s the right one) and while outmanned in their own borderland struck a deal with them to PvD and split our empty one down the middle.

Tbph it doesn’t even bother me, nor does this particular focusing and I think think that’s a sentiment shared by alot of GH. That’s why we didn’t bother bringing it up in the match thread despite having heard it 4 days before it came up. I just found it quite funny after the QQ about a supposed alliance we had with Dz that same day from certain RoS.

yroeht.5843:

Steelo.4597:

fact is Riot Commander goes to Dzago teamspeak.

One might wonder as to how exactly you would know that, unless you admit you have contacts with enemy servers too (which is fine, by me). But tbh I don’t really care.

Someone from dzag mentioned it last monday (?) on the german boards and it was seen by Gunnars who read those. It was then later c’d by other dzag in the last thread.

Meh even if we are being focused the fights are still good.

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

No ques on Ruins of Surmia… and we could do with two reasonable size guilds or one large guild for EU prime time to join us to replace guilds we lost after the ac farce.

Haha serious?

Some people just want to stomp I guess

Had great fun on our bl last night. Mainly fighting Dzag, but not because RoS weren’t there I just never happened to be around when we fought you apart from on my own.

We got hit hard but there were some good fights. Highlight for me was inside Bay. Dz had got upgrades going and we got inside inner only for the upgrade to complete shutting half our forces out. Nevertheless we held the stairs on inner wall and wiped your push but couldn’t get the lord down in time before you’d respawned and counter charged us. Lovely little battle

EDIT: Actually I tell a lie, fought AIR a couple of times

Mizu.9387:

I’ve said ot before, there are some guilds on GH that I really like, but generally GH playes to defensively for my taste. Upgrade, siege up and bunker down is a very common. Even when fighting against a force that outmans us, they usually turn to a tower or keep and bunker down.
This is my experience, and it may be a gross misrepresentation.

Nah I think it’s a pretty fair assessment. It stems from our history though… we didn’t win a matchup until the new year and fell from T2->T8. We then had a brief rise to T5 and then got hit by a mass exodus and found ourselves completely outmanned again.
For us being able to dominate Prime Time with numbers is a very alien concept and we’ve always had to bunker up to survive.

I’m with you in that I’d much prefer to fight outside the gate than on the wall with siege and range… especially when we have a waypoint. Charge out wipe as many as you can and if you die wp back inside.

kribre.9683:

@Jimmy, here you had the post were someone said XxX brought 30+

Ah yes. Ignore Svart though.

Can confirm we know XxX don’t fight with anything that’s not ~15

Sandro.3694:

I’ve personnaly seen many servers, played against many too, but one thing is sure GH you have the worst community ever from an outside point of view…

i don’t care if you succefully win this matchup, i don’t care if you can’t handle yourselves to come here over and over to taunt/flame, you guys have a so high esteem of yourselves this is becoming ridiculous…

Hello Mr Pot…

Hyung.6140:

Hyung.6140:

Serious constructive question – what would you like us to do differently that would change your opinion of us as a community?

Respect our efforts and stop the flaming. I do have respect to GH, as they seem to be tight community and stand together. But you can still do that while respecting your enemies.
I’m not saying RoS has any better manners in forums at the moment. Maybe this mostly rotten relationship can’t be fixed

I personally don’t care that much what’s going on here, as long the fights in game are good. And that they have been.

We respect you guys on the battlefield. You have some excellent guilds who always give a good fight. The original Surmians have really improved since we last faced. On the field we have no complaints… certainly I haven’t seen any unsavory incidents barring one TS alliance. It’s been refreshing coming from two weeks of fighting AS who like their exploits.

However you guys have a way of rubbing us up the wrong way on here, and I think that mainly stems from our first matchup after your mass transfers. Not to mention the attitude the large number of forumers you have/have had who at the first slight change to the meta jump down the throats of Anet with constant whining.

kribre.9683:

XxX have moved back to Gandara, I know a few of the guys and girls in the guild there, and the people saying they bring 30 people to the field is so wrong xD
When [Air] first came to RoS, we teamed up with XxX the first day, it were 2 or 3 of Air, and XxX only had 12 themself, they normally run from 10-18 during their peak.

I don’t think anyone said XxX were more than 30 people?

It has been one of the better matchups for a while. Its a shame the matchup system is changing when it is, could get used to this mathcup for a while. Hopefully we dont get anymore big guild transfers anytime in the next couple of weeks to keep it as even as it has been this week.

VoTF were far and away the most dangerous guild I fought on RoS. Don’t think I was ever in a fight where we won against them. VcY still seem to be able to get decent numbers whenever I’ve seen them too… Might not be at their full capacity but big enough for this tier imo

It’s alright guys, it’s perfectly understandable for RoS to expect us all to stop playing with 24 hours to go so they can keep their 7k lead and win the matchup

On a serious note though the crashes yesterday across all the borderlands were awful. Prior to our Golem rush we had Bay outer down and crashed 3 times trying to get to inner. This actually played into our hands though because we knew where the crash points were so instructed people not to go there

Hahaha. Noone on Gunnars is particularly bothered by it Mizu. Pretty much everyone in the community has known about since the morning after as it was talked about on the German boards but noone came in here to mention it because what’s the point?

If you guys feel you need to play that way go for it and we’ll carry on condemning it in private and get on with the game. We all found it particularly amusing coming off the back of all the alliance accusations against us in this thread though

Cameirus.8407:

Genotix.6804:

Zumy.6318:

DZ was on third place already, when the disconnecting started.

That been said, nobody knows what would have happened without the DCs.

But who cares anyway. Points don’t matter, the brackets week was awesome. One of the best in ages. Lets all agree on that.

Thank you. DZ was 3rd when issues started.
To the fire guys, you were at GH for 3 weeks you have seen us in action from inside and you say that our blobs rivals the ones of vizunah?
As for the alliance, that happened on saturday night and it is fact, we don’t need confirmation from anyone.
You are right though, who knows what would have happened without the dcs and the teaming up on saturday. Imo Dz had all the potential to have a huge lead after the weekend. That teaming up thing certainly didn’t help DZ

no, I personally said the GH uberblob last night (and a few others) at SM was massive! (I was not ever on GH btw, I came to ROS from SFR after taking abreak from the game and comming back to find SFR had risen to T1 with all the issues that created) I dont care, I’m not complaining, run how you want, but if you do then there are only so many ways to counter it.

Most of the time its not massive blobs, which is why I prefer this teir to higher ones, you can get some really good fights on a smaller level, but last night in particular my entire screen was red with enemy nameplates and the lag was getting silly, thats when I was not getting DC’d all the time!

I’m really not complaining, I’ve enjoyed this week and hope to have an equally fun time next week. Who wins and who loses really could not matter less to me, as long as its fun.

I did laugh when we were wiped out of your Hills last night by a huge Surmia blob with FIRE, RiOT and others all involved.
It seems you guys are more than willing to use it but then immediately burst into tears here when we do it.

Not directing this post at you personally ftr just everyone who complains about mutliguild groups in general

Lenoir.3579:

Jimmy JimBob.2801:

We’ve dominated the borderlands in primetime all week, and at one stage at about 10pm last night we held both Bay and Hills in Dz bl.

Yes, and that’s exactly the time we couldn’t neither port nor run to hills on our borderland for example. All we got was: DISCONNECT.

Currently I really don’t (even more than before) care who is first/2nd/3rd. I would just like to have a playable WvW for all of us.

Beside those technical problems I really enjoy this weeks matchup. Thanks to all!

Well I wasn’t aware you disconnected from your own bls as well. That is rather bad luck

Zumy.6318:

Genotix.6804

That teaming up thing certainly didn’t help DZ

Ofc it didnt, the same guys that asked us not to attack them the night they had absolutely no coverage, spent the rest of the nights on our borderlands.

I guess some ppl are naive, better they learn it in a game than out there in RL.

I must admit I’ve seen some strange tactical decisions from Dz over where to target. Everytime I’ve been on there’s been a huge Dz force in our bl holding only the south towers while RoS or us are in yours taking alot of it.

TallDan.6350:

I don’t think you understand, I’m not sticking up for RoS I’m sticking up for DZ after one of your players claimed you had won this week. Most of the time the borderlands stay the colour of the owner even if some stuff gets capped it doesn’t usually stay that way for long, you really think that losing all those ppt from EB had no effect on the outcome and GH won this week, honestly you’re deluded.

I don’t think anyone won this week, I think the points have been spoiled by game bugs.

I could have just as easily said we are winning because we are actually winning but I think game bugs won this week and the final points mean nothing.

That’s not been the case though like I said, yesterday evening we took almost everything on Dzag bl, and surely if they couldn’t play on EB then they’d have a much bigger presence in the bls but they haven’t dominated there.
Not to mention the fact that tkitten scores would be split between Gunnars and RoS anyway so while DZ might have lost a few points there it has nothing to do with how we pulled back on RoS.

No disrespect to Dz they’ve improved alot since the days of GH ROF DZ fights but the reason they were in second/first for so long at the start was because of their traditionally strong weekend being extended by the German holiday.

Last time we faced you two we couldn’t claw that back because we were hit so hard in the day by FRS who left us a fully upgraded Bay to struggle over for alot of our primetime, combined with RoS’ massive numbers difference. RoS losing numbers plus us improving has allowed us to have a real go this matchup and we would have done regardless of any EB disconnects imho.

You can’t attribute Gunnars closing to <5k at one point on RoS to Dz having connectivity issues on 1 map of 4… if noone could get in there then they’d be destroying the borderlands right? Well no they didn’t. We’ve dominated the borderlands in primetime all week, and at one stage at about 10pm last night we held both Bay and Hills in Dz bl.

RoS need to learn some humility imo

Roo Stercogburn.9671:

Ignoring the trash blob talk and blamethrowing for losing on all sides, stormingly good fun and some epic fights last night. Cheers to both RoS and Dz for some excellent scrapes and some nailbiting moments.

At one point we were sandwiched between RoS and Dz near the sentry on the road just south of Astral, desperately trying to get dollies into Hills. Splat. We came back again and looking across the flatland south of the sentry were massive numbers of enemies sweeping in all around. We have no idea how we survived the ensuing battle, let alone came out on top. On comms, everyone was wondering “Why are we still alive?”

Absolutely epic.

was great. It became Doly Wars 2 for a brief moment.

Had a horrible moment when we finally got a doly into S hills from water and everyone cheered only to find the upgrade still needed 10 more supply and we had to do all the hard work again.

drkn.3429:

Re: reset – it wasn’t the ‘entire server’s blob’:
http://imageshack.us/a/img842/890/gw065a.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img10/946/gw068e.jpg

That said, our WvW population is very volatile and we usually pull off that kind of numbers on resets only. We also never claimed we’re a ‘pr0 WvW guild’, and we enjoy losing in a fun fight just as much as winning.
What i personally do not enjoy is whining about the game’s design – it seems that people got used to coverage discrepancies and nightcapping, so now ‘blobbing’ and ‘zerging’ are the ‘whinings of the month’.

We really have a pretty balanced matchup, with every team fielding superior numbers at some point, smashing the other two, with each team being focused by both enemies from time to time, and with decent threeways. Just enjoy it

Well said

AFAIC if you guys don’t want to fight multiguild groups and only wish to fight against people running under one tag then take your elitest attitudes and GTF back to the higher tiers.

You can’t transfer down to this Tier expecting to find a host of organised guilds with the same numbers you can pull out every day unless you’re extremely naive.

So please stop complaining about “Blobs” ruining what has otherwise been a great matchup and go back to playing. Thank you

Wrt the numbers we’ve always been able to pull these numbers at the start of matchups. It was the same last time we played you before VoTF and the rest came. We have the numbers and quality to hold our own at primetime but we’ll be PvDed out of this matchup.

Rangers are absolutely unkillable unerwater with pet ressing, so that would have to be fixed.

I love speargun on my thief u/w though, 3D mobility is awesome

This has literally made my day. Thank you RoS

That is so common though happens in every matchup. Called picking smart targets. If in EB you guys are being pushed hard on one side then you leave the other objectives unguarded so we push that. Then you have to call help from the bls leaving less on your bl so both sides send forces there

Really should just get over it, and get back to fighting instead of qq

Hyung.6140:

Jordiboy.2301:

thats a nice alliance u got urselves going…..

Sigh. This comes up in so many threads, and it’s almost never an actual alliance.

Today I’ve been in groups that have been wiped by Dzagonur in several different places (including at least twice inside Surmia keeps!).

There is no alliance, no talk of an alliance, just people on both servers fighting where they can and where they feel like.

Sorry you’re not handling it very well at the moment, but I’m sure there will be points this week where GH are low on points and the rest of the map is all blue/green. We won’t immediately cry “alliance” though, because we’ve played WvW before and we know that’s just what happens sometimes – both servers are pushing us for whatever reason.

Have a good evening.

We were ticking pretty low this morning from what I could see of the intermittent updates.

Meh I haven’t actually fought Surmia in this matchup so far

Looks like RoS can’t handle the fact their bandwagon hasn’t gone to plan and they’re having to fight to tier up. Was all rather predictable.

Anyway I imagine prime time this week is going to be very balanced. Dzag pulled huge numbers last night and RoS obviously have the big guilds. I imagine we’ll struggle to keep up in points due to our coverage but that’s really not the end of the world

I saw RiOT with outmanned buff at about 9.30. Not surprising really considering what looked to be a 70 man Dzag zerg chasing us out of bay 10 minutes before that

Caedmon.6798:

Jimmy JimBob.2801:

What happens if you lose the tower before the upgrades started? And what if it never gets enough money to start it? Those people would have lost their money

Isn’t it the same right now,only one person loses everything they put in the upgrade ? Hence this suggestion actually..Ive seen many awesome people always upgrading towers,camps and also have seen them saying ( after having lost a certain tower or camp for the dozen time ) that it’s the last thing they have upgraded this day/week.So i just think that when people have to spend what they feel like is the right amount of money they can miss atm,that more people will contribute into keeping towers and camps upgraded at all times and they dont have to worry about losing yet another 1g.And the addition of seeing who is constantly upgrading towers would only add a positive effect to the community of the server you’re currently playing in,since it is very much appreciated whoever is doing it.

Try to improve this idea all you want really,i think this will be a great addition to have in wvwvw.

The difference is the upgrade goes on for sure if you do it all yourself.

Putting a bit in a kitty relies on others finishing it off before you lose it or you’ve thrown the money down the toilet.

The only way to work anything like this imo would be to have a server bank which is only possible to access when upgrading

What happens if you lose the tower before the upgrades started? And what if it never gets enough money to start it? Those people would have lost their money

Had alot of fun in this matchup. Barely saw WSR in the first week due to spending my time in the other 3 bls, but compensated for that with the last few days.

Thanks for a good, and with a few exceptions, clean and fair matchup. Sorry for the numbers difference though especially this week.

Ran in a group with 5-10 of us all night. Was tough going finding any fights with those numbers. Spent alot of time ganking groups of 2-3 or being smacked by 20+
Was good fun nonetheless but I dont hold up much hope for the smaller scale stuff this week.

I think the supply traps are and excellent idea

fab.3298:

I think the problem is that FURY and BCry come from the higher tiers where GvG’s are the norm. Down here it’s done much less, there’s probably 1 or 2 guilds per server who have the numbers/coordination to take part in them so they are rare. Next week we’ll be against Dz and you’ll easily get 5v5, 1v1, maybe a 10v10… 20v20 though might be difficult and you’ll have to look to ROS with there new guilds for that.

Different tier, different culture.

Definitely. We had it when we faced Surmia the old T1 guilds asking for GvGs all the time. It’s just not something that ever happens down here beyond the duels we did with Dzag.

Oh and NP in the old RoF WSR GH T8 matchup

Personally I’m not into GvG but in answer to Fror maybe if you wished do it once the matchup is decided like Fri 6pm when it makes no difference if your 20 arent there

Night capping too. 2 nights in a row our max tick was about 35 for a few hours in the small hours

AS pulled crazy numbers yesterday. We managed to beat you guys back out of 2 fully upgraded keeps in our bl in prime time but just couldn’t match that 50-70 man group you put out in your bl afterwards.

Have to say though I think sieging hills is going to become one of my favourite things to do soon…. Gwyn was getting very creative with his treb spots

Haha well unfortunately we have 1 player online in the early mornings stopping our tick.

How about RoS stop slacking and boot RoF down

Have to say personally I’m not bothered if we go up or down. Tz are very good, and WSR are master defenders. There’s been a few sour moments but in general this been a pretty decent matchup

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

DevonCarver.5370:

Kain Francois.4328:

Will we have to qeue EB to enter JP? Or will there be a new entrance entirely?

You enter it the same way as before, but now you will see a conversation prompting you to leave the map to enter the JP.

so if EB is full and queue is needed, then we will not be able to enter the EB JP then.

Certainly not a negative change though. It’s no different than before only now you no longer keep someone elses spot once you get in.

Good, quick fix imo

As soon as the WXP came out that’s exactly what I saw. FR and AM bringing 70 man karma trains in T6. Was horrible.

FRS did it to us during the day on your own server too

Hiding mesmers is a great feature. It’s not their fault if the new owners negelect to look for them and nowadays its not hard to find them if they’re not cheating.

Plus its a feature that slows down them god awful karma trains

CHIPS.6018:

Jimmy JimBob.2801:

I would say I play 90% in wvw. I’ve been on Gunnars since the start and I will probably always be on Gunnars. I’ve seen us go from T2 to T8, back to T5 and now back in T8.

In this time I saw the biggest fights in T6 against AM & FR where we had two 70 man zergs fighting over our property – no fun at all. It was laggy and definitely the opposite of epic and I hope I never encounter those kind of fights again.
Now in the lower tiers we can have 40 vs 40 or 20 vs 40 or 10 vs 20 or any kind of numbers and its fantastic. We have great guilds who have taken on and beaten the high tier guilds that came to RoS. The only guild that really gave us consistent problems were VoTF in all honesty.
Imho the only difference between the higher tier hardcore guilds and the lower tier hardcore guilds is the fact that higher tiers have fighting on all 3 maps for a much larger proportion of the time and the higher tier guilds contain alot more active members. Where our guilds field 15-25 on a night they will field 25-40.
That’s my experience.

That fight wasn’t fun for you because it was your 40 men vs 70 enemies and 70 enemies. Of course it aren’t fun! It wasn’t even a fair fight.

This doesn’t mean you don’t like large scale battle though. I am sure if your server could provide 70 manpower that night, it probably would be one of the more memorable fights ever.

You misunderstand. We could have provided a 70 man group to counter it if we got everyone together. But we don’t like it.

Why would I want to subject myself to lag both on screen and with skills and spending 5 minutes hiding in a corner until I get out of combat to heal myself because my healing skill won’t activate. Even with us only being a few I still couldn’t do anything.
It has absolutely othing to do with competitiveness. We’ve beaten much bigger numbers before and I’m sure we will do again. I also have no dislike of running into a fight I have no hope of winning – infact it’s something I do regularly.

TH =/= HT lol

You’ve got confused

@VotF are you guys sure the new update is the reason you are finding less fights now or the fact that your server has become horrible out of place in its tier with the numbers you can field. I don’t remember actually coming out on top of a fight with you guys so I went and fought guilds like VcY and XxX who I knew we would get a much more balanced fight from.

I for one am enjoying the new patch greatly and these traps look like a good innovative initiative. Anything that makes stealth manageable without completely nerfing it (that’s what makes thief fun not the mindless numbers you can get) is a good idea for me. Good work Anet is what I say – it’s nice to change the meta every once and a while.

Johje Holan.4607:

WarriorOfJah.7861:

The worst thing, resulting from the arrow cart change in particular, is the fact that you can go hours without a single decent sized fight anymore.

People defending a keep don’t even attempt to push out to you anymore because they can simply sit inside on the siege, which is completely understandable given their power currently. Even when the assaulting force is outnumbered by defenders you don’t get a fight.

IMO – This is going to be the death of WvW – people of all flavors have made statements as to the ‘fun factor’ dropping in WvW and it won’t take long before those people start looking for something else to do, or maybe even another game.

Sure, no one liked getting facerolled by a 60 man zerg when you had less than half of their numbers. However, there are some guilds out there (including mine) that truly enjoyed taking on a 40 man zerg with 20 people, and we can no longer find this fight thanks to the changes.

The change has resulted in both sides lobbing siege at each other for hours until one runs out of siege, then finally you get to the PVP.

It’s funny how different people experience this change so differently. Because I am finding the exact opposite.

I am finding more fights. More people willing to engage. And the zergs are breaking up into smaller groups.

And I’m not finding it too hard to take a keep. Harder yes, but not even near impossible.

And its fun defending now. You actually have a chance against a larger force.

Agreed. The fact is now Trebuchets are the most viable siege weapon and because of their range they draw the enemy out of their keep alot more than what I experienced when it was Ram & kitten

I enjoy a long protracted sieges which require more than a few minutes and actual thinking to complete. And any money/badges spent on siege is made up for by the inreased loot from the buffed ACs and open field fights.

I would say I play 90% in wvw. I’ve been on Gunnars since the start and I will probably always be on Gunnars. I’ve seen us go from T2 to T8, back to T5 and now back in T8.

In this time I saw the biggest fights in T6 against AM & FR where we had two 70 man zergs fighting over our property – no fun at all. It was laggy and definitely the opposite of epic and I hope I never encounter those kind of fights again.
Now in the lower tiers we can have 40 vs 40 or 20 vs 40 or 10 vs 20 or any kind of numbers and its fantastic. We have great guilds who have taken on and beaten the high tier guilds that came to RoS. The only guild that really gave us consistent problems were VoTF in all honesty.
Imho the only difference between the higher tier hardcore guilds and the lower tier hardcore guilds is the fact that higher tiers have fighting on all 3 maps for a much larger proportion of the time and the higher tier guilds contain alot more active members. Where our guilds field 15-25 on a night they will field 25-40.
That’s my experience.