Guild Wars 2

Nretep.2564:

Levelling a mesmer is neat ?
You are doing something wrong …

Or you use my leveling guide and do it right! Just sayin’…
Btw, I am working on a necro leveling guide, anyone interested in testing?

Honestly, I have a hard time to understand how this build can be of any use in PvE. What is it good for and how do you kill things?

colesy.8490:

Chaos.3579:

colesy.8490:

That is some of the worst advice I have ever read.

Why should you get a mind wrack damage trait when running a phantasm build? Why go 20 in inspiration when five more points gives you 15%+ phantasm damage? Why use mass invisibility or decoy in PvE like… ever?

OP, if your girlfriend insists on using greatsword + sword/focus, just roll 20/20/0/30/0 with empowered illusions and greatsword training in domination, phantasmal fury and blade training in dueling and warden’s feedback, glamour mastery and whatever that skill is that gives phantasms extra HP.

I see you did not read my post correctly. I said to at least go 20 20 0 20. Then I stated the traits that she should use for pve. Which if you don’t know when using a phantasm spec does not go so great with the aoe’s and such. My advice was sound. The build I suggested was shantasm. Shatter and phantasm. Which if you don’t know is the best way to maximize damage in pve situations without the use of conditions.

Going full phantasm is not completely viable yet. At least until they increase the hit points that pets have like arena net said they would. But even then it’s not nearly as good as having some shatter damage instead of going all out phantasms

Somebody please answer this guy before I tear him in half.

Nono, I was extra waiting for you to reply. Honestly, even I have no idea what he is talking here…

Spend 5 extra in Inspiration, gain 15% phantasm dmg.

or

Get 30 in Dueling and block all utility skills with useless mantras? Why would one even start to calculate?

cosley is right though, it would make little sense to only trait 20 deep into Inspiration, you would miss a lot of potential for just 5 more trait points…
I would say a 20/20/0/30/0 GS phantasm build is pretty standard and viable in dungeons. I ran it myself in the past and it works in all dungeons.

I really love decoy in open world, but it has fairly limited use in dungeons. And everyone loves Time Warp, so no excuses. ^^
I would use Mender’s Purity over Persisting Images though.

You can go with a build like the following (runes are a matter of choice, to lazy to change…)

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQNAR8dlwziqXVTgGa9IxpHMf5QnkCVn6SKwNvB-jwxAYLioZiiQWyrIas1sioxqWwUlER1ejioVDA-e

Nothing better than a GS in open world. I run 20/20/0/0/30 most of the time shatter, but can simply retrait to phantasm for soloing champions and tougher stuff.

For dungeons/fractals, the current meta is melee and you would be expected to trait into Inspiration for reflects. Nothing wrong with a GS as secondary there though, even if I and cosley disagree on this topic… ^^

EU. If you want, I can even share my server…

Dunno, I have a 30/30/0/0/10 build for max range damage. Really depends on the situation. ^^

For me it’s simply too much (gear-)grind to play alts. I don’t like playing alts anyway, so my point of view might be biased.

If I get the right precursor by luck, I might consider doing so (I have a fair share of the mats needed anyway). But I see no need in farming my lower back off, playing the AH, or buying gold, just to do so.
I play for fun, I don’t play if I have no fun. Grinding is no fun for me. So it would contradict itself.

Manbearpig.

Enough charrs.

Everything between the stereotypes is mostly known as hybrid. For the mesmer that probably means:

Shatter —- Hybrid —- Phantasm
DD —- Hybrid —- Condition
Damage —- Hybrid —- Survival

Things that can also be implemented to make a hybrid as mesmer: Mantras, signets, interrupts, stealth, etc…

So most setups end up to be hybridy as a result.

Well for me it links to

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Guide-Lyssa-s-Grimoire-The-Mesmer-Handbook/first#post2916473

while the guide starts at

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Guide-Lyssa-s-Grimoire-The-Mesmer-Handbook/first#post2916465

Skill lag can get pretty bad when the Wv3 areas are full, hope you can fix that sooner than later.
But don’t you feel like altering skills to optimize them might not cause more trouble than it may solve? I hope it works out, but sounds sort of risky.

Btw, something is broken with the Q: at least I didn’t intend to use this feature…

In PvE, the general rules are:

1. Go full dps.
2. Learn when to dodge.

For dungeons:

1. Go melee.
2. Go full dps.
3. Learn when to dodge.

Sorry, wrong topic… ^^

As long as you do not need reflects, you can have perfectly fine phantasm builds with let’s say 10/30/0/0/30 or 20/20/0/0/30.
Most shatter builds just go 30 Illusions for IP, but there are some nice traits for phantasm builds there too.

It is probably his unfortunate choice of wording, that brings him more in trouble as necessary. He fairly often sounds like the Bringer of Wisdom, while in fact, he is looking for answers.
On the other hand, there have been hybrid builds here since day one, as most builds focus on more than just raw dps or support anyways. Pure builds are a result of longtime playing and the essence of efficiency by themselves.

So I would say, the grand of builds over here have been and still are hybrid builds. I have a hard time to see his point on this one.

Btw, the link in the opening post links to the wrong post in regards to the leveling guide.
Otherwise, things look good. ^^

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQRAsa7dlwzipHVTgGa9IxpHQf5UnUBVX6Bu5duB-jwxAYLlZiSySeFRjtmVENW1CmqkIq2bUEtaA-e

might work

It’s a phantasm build though.

No I am not, I just really don’t like false statements, setup as if they were a commonly known truth.

I tried to stay out of all this menace here and menace there stuff. I really tried. But this thread is just too much. No hybrid builds on this forum? Nearly unexplored for mesmers?

How about no. You want to promote your build, yeah. But do not start a kitten new thread full of stupid talk just to do so. Hell even I have a hybrid build and I am a classical DD player: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Guide-Kai-s-Complete-PvE-Compendium/first#post2848356 called Random Pain.

And yes it is 10/30/30/0/0 and yes it was there before your build and no, I didn’t have to ask the whole community to get it working.

Honestly just stop it, please.

I do not even know if I am in the guild. Whatever, if people have questions about open world or leveling, I might be able to share my 2 coppers of knowledge.
I am right now helping a very important person to me to level a character from the scratch using my mesmer, so I am fairly up to date with open world PvE.

Btw, I am old, you have to type slowly.

In open world, I run 20/20/0/0/30 for the simple fact, that I can have both, a valid shatter (for most stuff) and phantasm spec (soloing champions) with just switching some traits.

If you go to dungeons, putting 25 in Inspiration first (for reflects) is a wise choise, after that, place traits the way you like to play.

Was talking about temple bosses and stuff like that… Most group events are solo stuff anyway. Just wrongly labeled.

Open world boss events (not talking about group events, most of them are doable solo) tend to have unfair moves, be it unpredictable or just instagib or overkill adds..
They are meant to be unfair as people are expected to go down and there is nothing you can do.
They get easier with the amount of players participating normally. Everything get’s easy with a big zerk (besides Tequatl, he can be a bad kitten).

So yes, in a zerg, things are easy. But sometimes they are harder than any dungeon content. Try it off hours maybe.

But if they are hard, why would you go there with a PuG and risk to fail?
Or if you do not go there with PuGs, why would you have a problem with PuG players to run whatever they want?

You set challenges, because you want to get the excitement of your first kill back, when things were still fragile, challenging and it felt like an achievement.
Nothing wrong with that, even though it will never feel the same.

I’m just tired of the argument, that bosses and dungeons are the only real hard PvE content in GW2 while they are not.

The game is meant to be beaten, there are no raiding roadblocks. No gear gating, no restitences, whatever. If you cannot handle random people in your group, run with friends or your guild.

Probably cosley’s comment when he said, that dungeons are still challenging for him, even though he is in an experienced group… ^^

You can try my leveling guide (in my signature). Hope it helps.
Good luck. ^^

Ah c’mon. I have been doing dungeon content in groups back in the days, when you still had to dial in and pay for the minute.
I have progression raided AQ40 up to C’thun and Naxx40 (as feral druid mind you…) and long before WoW was announced, I raided in other games.

The key in every group content is, get the calls, get the transitions, know when to dps, know when to get out of the way.

If the group knows what to do, it is essentially free loot. It is absolutely no different in the dungeons in GW2. It is 100% the same. Can things go wrong? They can do so everywhere. Random players bring in some randomness which might cause turbulances, but in an experienced group,

dungeons

are

a

cakewalk.

The dungeoneers have cought themselves in a paradox, argueing that the only challenging PvE content is dungeons themselves.
But, if every player knows every move of the encounters, every player uses the same setup for efficiency and every move is predictable, none of the dungeon content is challenging any longer.
It is in fact so predictable, that this content is less challenging than any random encounter.

So what the dungeoneers want, is no longer challenging content. Therefore they want the easiest content available. Also known as farm mode or dungeon grind.

Randomness requires adaption, which is challenge. So stop complaining about challenge and find some like-minded for your easy grind.

You get new legendaries with the raise of the levelcap! ^^

There was a time, when people didn’t care for the daily or the monthly. Before stupid low ascended ring drops (for the one you really wanted) in fractals and before champion farming was a good idea.

There was fun in the initial release till November 2012. Than ANet took the easy way out and introduced one grind after the other. Now, the games core is grinding for the best item. Wow, sounds like every other generic MMO to me…

Honestly, I have tried to implement a torch in one of my PvE builds. Unfortunately, it feels borked, and you will not gain anything in matters of DPS, if you equip a torch, there is simply no way (unless you do not equip any offhand at all).

It tried it with a PU+interrupt build though (not necessarily the best approach in PvE in first place), so maybe one is more creative than I am…

Profano.9514:

Anet can do changes only if people ask for that?
Are you really serious Kai?

Nope, you said we should stop asking for things.
We did not ask for anything. Something was changed.

People give feedback, and if things go south, people give feedback telling that it was better before (or if they are nostalgic…).

Profano.9514:

omg … pls stop to ask for every BULLkitten!

When did you see someone ask for changing the sound? The problem is that they change things noone asks for – for the worse.

You sir, got it all the wrong way around…

The sound is bad, and whoever is responsible for that noise should feel bad too.

The old sound was fine, maybe a bit too loud in general, but that new whatever it is is just really bad sound design.

Thank you for the feedback. My main aim is to give people an easier start with the mesmer profession. Sometimes I get the feeling that everyone in this forums thinks, that all other players have been here since day one…

I am glad you enjoy this guide.

Btw, I just added a Phantasm variation of the Lazy Kai Build. While it misses reflects for dungeoneering, it is very efficient in open world and solo play.

The grind must go on.
The grind must flow.

I need to press one, one and one again!

Just imaging how ridiculous the light armour would look on my norn mesmer makes me smile…

Maybe I should visit clown school first… ^^

Yarrrrrr…

My 4 year old nephew stopped liking pirates when he was 3. Could we get some real nemesis please… All those left over elder dragons look terribly bored.

In the end, maybe ANet has a deal with NCsoft, that all money from sold copies of the main game and expansions is shared, and that ANet gets all the money from the store.

Than, and only than it might make (temporarily) sense for ANet to go with the LS, instead of expansions at this time.

I do not expect ANet to listen, or react on the fact that I’m logged in or not. I am just one in a game of very many. I do not want to make a statement in game. Honestly, I don’t care too much, and if I find something more entertaining, I will stop caring at all anyways.

I just felt like people in this thread had a funtamentally wrong idea of how this kind of business works, so I felt intrigued to share my 2c… ^^

Amok.5630:

Kaiyanwan.8521:

I like the street analogy.
Here are three streets, but one has way too many obstacles, we could just remove.
Scrap that we get rid of that street and make a tunnel…

Yes that’s what happens in medium/heavilly crowded cities.

If there is a lot of traffic it would make sense. But honestly, TA F/U was not one of the most frequented roads.
The problem was not the traffic, it was the roadblocks. Btw, you build an additional road to spread the traffic, before you dig a tunnel… ^^

I like the street analogy.
Here are three streets, but one has way too many obstacles, we could just remove.
Scrap that we get rid of that street and make a tunnel…

First nemesis: An undead elder dragon, bringing the world to the brink of extiction, flooding it with undead after bringing Orr back from the deeps of the see.
Second nemesis: A hyperactive girl, that acts like a cheap copy of Tiny Tina…

They should make an expansion’s worth an expansion (like what people would expect). Than they can have my money.

If they offer it for free as part of the LS, even better. Than I will just keep my money.

Or even better, they were all starving vegans. Somehow, everyone but Trahearne made it over the shiverpeaks.

MikaHR.1978:

Kaiyanwan.8521:

MikaHR.1978:

Kaiyanwan.8521:

If you don’t see the difference between quality-of-life changes and a grand strategy for a game that struggels to seperate itself from all others, you are delusional.

ANet is running a fair risk with the LS, they wouldn’t adapt it if it wasn’t directly related to lower sales.

You finally relized its pointless to discuss when someone cant discern even simplest of concept and ideas.

I have to admit it is hard.

Look, people like me just don’t buy stuff anymore. We are above that “get it now or it will be gone” attitude.
I am not alone, at least that’s my impression. The game is financed mostly by the in-game store at this time. Actually, I am hurting ANet by playing their game without buying stuff (they have to pay their bills anyway).

Whatever, with the LS going on like this, I will not buy anything in the near future. I have more fluff than my bank can hold anyway. What is the point of spending money?

By playing and not paying you actually send completely different message – you like the game but dont find interest n cash shop, not really resulting in desired effect.

The ONLY way to get your message across is to stop logging in, otherwise only thing you will get is more intrusive cash shop.

No, by using their bandwidth and causing costs, while not buying stuff off the store and not playing the LS, I’m just fine for now. Will the game go anywhere this way? No. But I keep my money and all options for the future. I AM a potential costumer, waiting to spend money, I AM potential.
That is where ANet has to rethink it’s strategy (make an expansion hint hint)…