Guild Wars 2

bigsal.7061:

Are the number even at reset population wise? Pretty sure they are.
In eternal battle grounds are the numbers even on reset? Most definitely.
Yet SF rolls you trolls with ease and owns just about everything in under 3 hours and that’s why dh and loj team up.
I’m not complaining, its a good strat considering your players skill level are average yo sub par at best which is why you get dominated at reset.
Again I applaud you guys for not quitting and coming up with your server alliance and thank you again for the challenge.

Mmm, may have to disagree with you there! SF have zergs in all 4 maps, IoJ try and hold EB and our BL whilst trying to push out in a 3rd but its all a struggle! You guys definitely have a much bigger reset population than both DH and IoJ

And i laugh at everyone thinking theres an organised alliance…
Its merely an disorganised temporary truce.

There have been times when DH and SF have attacked us when we’re outmanned… And other times when SF and IoJ have attacked DH. Yet you only see the SF guys bringing it up as something to complain about and to bag the other servers, just like our old DR buddies. Be real guys, find something else to complain about!

Fight on DIoJH<3

Bloody GRIM 7 mirror mesmers!

Had great fun chasing DH around IoJ borderlands re-flipping and preventing you guys from taking camps!

Score update, DH finally taken 2nd!

Draekahh.9834:

On ya bike, IoJ.

All I see here, is a bunch of but hurt tossers saying exactly what follows;
IoJ:: We don’t always get really but hurt. But when we do, we make a troll guild with the same tags as one of SF’s strongest WvW guilds.

Youre the guy we chased accross the map <3
You wouldnt join our party and stayed in hills

BTW DH made the guild, we were just reppin it

torridstoic.7492:

Alchemist.3692:

If it was just IoJ vs SF you guys wouldn’t last and would get steam rolled hard. […] IoJ on the other hand.. well there’s not much to say there.

Good luck, you’ll need it.

Maybe IoJ (allegedly) only attacks SF because nobody from DH is calling them scrubs.

Or it could be the big secret alliance, yeah. When we’re ready to go public, it’s going to be called Darjanthirhaven. Anet even agreed to merge our servers.

Thought we agreed on Isle of Janthaven

No we never hit each other, super secret alliance activate!

I Monk For L O V E.7528:

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

If you guys didnt notice last week

Sorrows Furnace = 1 204.430
Isle of Janthir = 1 202.412
^^^^^^^
Look at the difference of our rating points after last week, if DH the kittens didnt attack us so hard the night before reset, our strong push would have kept us blue for another week, youd have to be dreaming if you think we’re not going to focus SF more than DH, we’ll be blue next week and theres nothing you, or that KING guild can do about it <3

I just loled at this because in your first post you were talking about how kitten you were at DH and how you were going to focus on them the whole time. Umad bro?

Yeah thats what i thought, but i cant control the whole server, what the server wants, the server gets. Plus we cant endanger our super secret alliance with dh, thatd be bad

If you guys didnt notice last week

Sorrows Furnace = 1 204.430
Isle of Janthir = 1 202.412
^^^^^^^
Look at the difference of our rating points after last week, if DH the kittens didnt attack us so hard the night before reset, our strong push would have kept us blue for another week, youd have to be dreaming if you think we’re not going to focus SF more than DH, we’ll be blue next week and theres nothing you, or that KING guild can do about it <3

As a few of our guys said not long after reset

‘Wait till oceanic prime time kicks in’

Another great week a head of us!

Goodluck and have fun guys

It really depends on what IoJs focus is during the week, if we hit DH during oceanic and leave SF’s bl alone they will rack up a lot more points and vice versa.

But seeing as DH decided to mess up our plans of trying to keep second place for this week, my focus will be on them all night every night, game on guys

DH why! We are 6k behind SF and you guys go and hit our borderlands making us split our already weak forces

Last time we help you get into first place

Our huge push nearly got us there! Upgrading garrison ended up being a waste as our guys had to go before you guys came to attack

hyjaxxx.1584:

Im surprised to see a member of Abyss saying we usually have strong resets because we havent had one in weeks. it is paramount that Dark Haven resolves that issue pronto, because if we were up a tier we would have never recovered from an early deficit like that.

the one thing i think this weeks match has done is taught people that a zerg ball isnt always the best method. ive seen lots of smaller roving groups and its done wonders for our all around coverage.

Now we just need to teach our guys not to break from a group to chase a guy half way across the zone and we will be ready to rock. lol

Anywho…still an amazing match. cant wait for more!

And for the group of 3-6 of… guys that kept jumping from the spawn to fight us at the camp…great fun!

Jaxx

To quote on of our commanders, ‘Remember, Dark Haven rarely splits their zerg’ Which is what us on IoJ have noticed, you guys will hit 1 objective in force, allowing us to try and ninja camps/towers/keeps back

Great example is that, In Eternal Battlegrounds, we were trebbing our keep from Langor, had both outer and inner walls down and most of our forces sitting in the tower and what does all of dh do? Slowly stream past Langor and walk into Danelon leaving us to retake our keep with little to no defense… Was a good laugh for us. Your server definitely has the zerg mentality, one IoJ has started to realise we cannot compete with head on, it is definitely making us rethink our strategies against you

Stan.2076:

Haqiang.6480:

do IoJ night time crew ever touch the DH borderland?

Sigh……the irony of 3 way fight, IoJ is going to lose, but their action determines who wins………..

It is in fact BECAUSE IoJ is going to lose that they want DH to win, the mentality I assume they have going is holy kitten these guys from T8 are much much better than us and they’re shaming us by beating us, so we must help DH secure their lead. Not that I have a problem with that..

If you bozos have a close look at the score, youll see we have gained a lot of points on Sorrows Furnace, going from 20k+ down to ~10k. And on http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA We are now back to gaining rating, so we’re doing something right and if we keep it up we will be fighting you guys for second

Pretty clear DH is the power server of this tier, and this 1 guild of yours that has taken a break this week will not make much of a difference unless theyre Oceanic based as thats where you guys are losing all your points.

By the way score update, 13k behind you SF <3

GREAT week guys, Although i havent been able to play as much as id like, ive had great fun both flipping entire borderlands and holding on to our last piece of the map, I think i’ve found my favourite match up, thankyou SF and DH <3

Sorry DH, i know our keep is big and shiny, but we cant just give it to you! You have to work for this beb

Was sour that someone started the mortars upgrade and drained the keep of supply, if they hadnt have done that, would have been twice as easy to defend!

I Monk For L O V E.7528:

The famous oceanic IoJ zerg doing what they do best, PvDooring empty keeps. Anywayssss good fights tonight IoJ and DH, i appreciated all of em

Oh my thats quite a zerg we have there, is that even 10 people? Zergs pop orange swords on the map bub, thats barely a large group.

It is what the oceanic crew do best as its the ONLY thing the oceanic crew can do at the moment, its not our fault your servers lack coverage in our stronger times…

The more your server brings up PvDooring, the harder we’ll hit <3

Actium.8765:

Here is a score update for those that can’t play right now.

It’s been fun SF but I thought it was time to give IOJ some love.

I hope you guys are enjoying the matchup as much as me and my guild [PD] is!!

WAH WAH SF was hitting us in EB and DH hitting us in our BL oh my god they were ganging up on us kitten PvDoorers and night cappers.

I’m sure us at IoJ have been missing your love DH, we’re getting mighty jealous of this sorrows furnace thing, she totally has fake kitten

Wow we’re only 17k behind you SF! Didnt know we’d keep up this well, great job IoJ. Cant wait for the next reset, im sure itll be much different now that we know the servers!

DisplayName.7802:

Excuse me sir, you are not a guard.

Dude your map was giving me head spins, was trying to work out where you were! lol

ShadowLordX.5148:

Score Update. Darkhaven pulls to the lead!

Congrats on the lead DH! I dont think your server is as strong as you think it is SF, but we will have to let the week play out before we know! Will need to pick up your game a lot more if you plan on getting out of T6.

At least 2/3 of this matchup is balanced, red suits us better over at IoJ anyways. i love me an overlook

hyjaxxx.1584:

Stan.2076:

hyjaxxx.1584:

DH and Isle are not working together lol…

I’d like to direct you to the image near the top of this page, coordination at its finest.

Edit: In fact, I’d like to direct you to two posts above yours, where a bro from you favorite server buddy IoJ says “That’s exactly why we double team you”

yeah…but thats one guy. maybe he likes one server more then the other or whatever. but i can tell you there is no evil-laugh inducing plot to team up….matter of fact we wish isle would fight a lil harder so its a 3 way battle. but..they are doing better.

Hijax im sorry its my fault, theyve found out about our super secret alliance to gang up on them.

Stop trying to hide it bro, its out in the open now.

Y’know the super secret alliance that doesnt help IoJ at all really, the one that only helps DH get first place!

But i fear DH will find out about our super secret alliance with SF, but that alliance too will not help IoJ, it will just help SF get into first

Ol’ Sherlock stan over here is onto to something

Oh SF, youre so much more entertaining than Gab and his merry men <3

I Monk For L O V E.7528:

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Scumbag Mawile.6384:

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Scumbag Mawile.6384:

Y’know, I wouldn’t mind the nightly unredding if you’d go for each other a little more.

SF keep is the last major piece of red on the map and the focus of SF’s defense. There are 11 keeps and a castle between you. You can’t defend all of that, it’s paper and easy to take.

So what do you do? DH runs around south SFK and IoJ pokes around up north.

Go get more points for yourself and let SF’s few oceanics/night owls leave and do something funner than watch a zerg scratch at the walls. I was under the impression that relative friendliness would mean no more extreme 2v1ing.

I thought DR had left this tier?

What can i say boys, welcome to the tier If youre going to get all sooky over this and the nightcapping you might want to get used to it ASAP. Your server has enough numbers to dominate ALL maps during peak times, then you think you have a right to complain when you get double teamed? lol! You were the strongest server on reset and have been all weekend.

Knock knock is anyone home? Couldnt help but laugh when i saw DH on the other side, didnt know you lot were already through the outer wall!

Ah, but we didn’t need to double team. We 1v2ed you into submission.

Youve just stated exactly why we double team you… You cant be the strongest server in a tier than cry when you get double teamed

I love it how we get the blame for your servers lack of coverage Sounding a lot like DR! We’re not just going to wait a keep gate for your defenders to log on…We’re going to flip the whole map. Dont cry too hard guys, the matchups only just begun, we’re in for a long and bumpy ride

And btw, that keep was ALWAYS the last thing IoJ had in the whole of WvW and we very rarely lost it, it is a great keep to defend, a horrible keep to attack.

Lol no one blamed you for our servers lack of coverage, i already established that back on the first page that we had no nighttime coverage, we are blaming you for the 2v1 as that is apparently what happened to DR. I’m just giving you the protip that DH’s BL is also mostly paper maybe t2, and that would be some very easy PPT for you other than the 30 points in EB of ours you hold.

And ive already said why we double teamed you, did you not read? or?

You guys are the strongest server at the moment in this tier, why would we not hit you? Its already set in stone that we’re coming last because of our coverage gaps. We’re just going to be focusing on the server thats in first We’re the blue shell of WvW if you will

Scumbag Mawile.6384:

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Scumbag Mawile.6384:

Y’know, I wouldn’t mind the nightly unredding if you’d go for each other a little more.

SF keep is the last major piece of red on the map and the focus of SF’s defense. There are 11 keeps and a castle between you. You can’t defend all of that, it’s paper and easy to take.

So what do you do? DH runs around south SFK and IoJ pokes around up north.

Go get more points for yourself and let SF’s few oceanics/night owls leave and do something funner than watch a zerg scratch at the walls. I was under the impression that relative friendliness would mean no more extreme 2v1ing.

I thought DR had left this tier?

What can i say boys, welcome to the tier If youre going to get all sooky over this and the nightcapping you might want to get used to it ASAP. Your server has enough numbers to dominate ALL maps during peak times, then you think you have a right to complain when you get double teamed? lol! You were the strongest server on reset and have been all weekend.

Knock knock is anyone home? Couldnt help but laugh when i saw DH on the other side, didnt know you lot were already through the outer wall!

Ah, but we didn’t need to double team. We 1v2ed you into submission.

Youve just stated exactly why we double team you… You cant be the strongest server in a tier than cry when you get double teamed

I love it how we get the blame for your servers lack of coverage Sounding a lot like DR! We’re not just going to wait a keep gate for your defenders to log on…We’re going to flip the whole map. Dont cry too hard guys, the matchups only just begun, we’re in for a long and bumpy ride

And btw, that keep was ALWAYS the last thing IoJ had in the whole of WvW and we very rarely lost it, it is a great keep to defend, a horrible keep to attack.

Scumbag Mawile.6384:

Y’know, I wouldn’t mind the nightly unredding if you’d go for each other a little more.

SF keep is the last major piece of red on the map and the focus of SF’s defense. There are 11 keeps and a castle between you. You can’t defend all of that, it’s paper and easy to take.

So what do you do? DH runs around south SFK and IoJ pokes around up north.

Go get more points for yourself and let SF’s few oceanics/night owls leave and do something funner than watch a zerg scratch at the walls. I was under the impression that relative friendliness would mean no more extreme 2v1ing.

I thought DR had left this tier?

What can i say boys, welcome to the tier If youre going to get all sooky over this and the nightcapping you might want to get used to it ASAP. Your server has enough numbers to dominate ALL maps during peak times, then you think you have a right to complain when you get double teamed? lol! You were the strongest server on reset and have been all weekend.

Knock knock is anyone home? Couldnt help but laugh when i saw DH on the other side, didnt know you lot were already through the outer wall!

So apparently, ~20 people running at a few balistas in a small choke, is not as fun as it sounds.

Did not expect that, nice hold SF!

Looks like coverage is hitting you hard SF! DH are gaining on you fast.

Without a server that just dies and cant be seen for the rest of the night, our oceanic crews will have a tough fight on our hands but im sure itll be fun nonetheless

Im glad SF cant keep the numbers up round the clock during the weekdays, DH is still the powerhouse of T6 by the looks of it

Good week ahead of us, keep it up guys

SF, it seems like SM is not right for you!

Great matchup so far guys, its a lot different having 2 powerhouse servers to deal with.

Were ahead of you for a little while there DH!

Goodluck to everyone!

DR you seem to have misplaced your points, where did they go?

PvDoor champions strike again! Have fun down in T7 you cute little things.

But im still sure your server will be able to ‘stomp’ IoJ if it wasnt for DH, im certain <3

Glad to see IoJ actually having the numbers to contest with the huge hordes of DH! WvW is just mental at the moment, where are you DR?

Jeez it must be nice to be able to HURDURzerg BOTH servers in EB with little to no strategy at all.

Hilarious DH, You let us get our whole corner back whilst spawn camping DR, really? lol

spconder.2489:

Wow, DH… 50 men to take out our overlook when only 10 of us are on and you still have the gall to brag about your “skills?” And some of you are STILL using exploits?!

Enough is enough. ANet, send these guys into the next tier. They’ve been bullying IoJ and DR for weeks, and we’ve had enough. This isn’t fun anymore.

Its fun when you bully them back, it’s all the more sweeter when you flip TWO of their fully upgraded keeps in EB…

DR you might want to pick up your game as a server, otherwise you guys will be the ones moving down

As for the HoD guy, Why would we want to move down? O.o Last time we did that we unleashed the BP and AR beasts and got roflstomped, We’ll be fighting hard.

I love all the DR’s saying DH doesnt hit our BL…I dont think you guys realise its a 24/7 game, it doesnt stop when you get off.

I’ve always looked up at IoJ borderlands and see the camps/towers/keeps turning green as im trying to hold off the hordes of DH in EB. I dont understand how you guys think DH never attacks us…? They flip your stuff first because you have NO defenders, its easier and quicker, at least we’re there trying to stop them when its our turn to cop it.

I even have some of DRs commanders on my friends list for when we’re very rarely on at the same time, those guys are what DR should be like…not the sooks on the forums, those commanders are actually in there trying to organise a push against DH and im all for it.

But please DR’s Forum warrirors, tell me more on how we have an alliance with DH to gang up on you. If im not mistaken, it was IoJ, we got ourselves into a comfortable 2nd place without the help of some super secret alliance. Again, its not our fault you have a huge coverage gap…Why bother competing if thats the excuse youre going to use? WAH WAH PvDOORERS WAH, kitten happens, get over it lol.

You think we’re not going to use the advantage we have and wait for you to have defneders on? Be real this is war! Not some kindergarten game where its even.

Tukmolytes.3467:

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Is this it? Is this all you can conjure, DarkHaven?

Oooh, you exposed my 2 cents! LOL!

You were’nt the only one giving your 2 cents!

I reckon we would have held OW if i wasnt supressed for 10 bloody minutes, we needed those trebs down but not many would listen!

Is this it? Is this all you can conjure, DarkHaven?

Fallout.1798:

I am officially annoyed with how 9 times out of 10, DH will go for hitting Devona’s borderlands and not even touch IoJ borderlands. Same goes for IoJ, you won’t hit DH’s borderlands. Both IoJ and DH will go for hitting Devona’s borderlands, like they did again today. What was even more disappointing was when IoJ was hitting our Bay keep, DH entered Bay keep as well. DH just stood on the ridge and watched IoJ hitting Bay inner walls/gates, and then left.

Seriously, we are getting to the point were we are shocked when we find IoJ and DH fighting eachother. Case in point right now DH is hitting our borderlands full on and we only have garrison left, and only 1 tower in IoJ borderlands (no camps there, so it was seigerazor). And we have nothing in Eternal battlegrounds, but IoJ has their side of the map, and isn’t under attack at all.

Wait wait wait, have look again in EB…DH zerged your corner first, they now have 40+ people hitting our towers, Its not our fault they only run in one big derpzerg. And just earlier today we had the whole east side of DH’s map and were pushing dh in EB.

Every server cops a gangbanging, dont be so uppity when it happens to yours.

irishhaf.1692:

And to me the fights have been insanely boring when I’m on, I cant wait till im off shifting at work so I can get some fun fights away from NA prime time.

Aussie prime times where its at…well for IoJ anyways Do DH and DR have like no australian/oceanic presence?! Thats when our servers at its strongest/your servers are at their weakest

Lord Rager.8543:

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Please tell me you were the GEN commander trying to take Hills in DHBL and got double Rager on. If not pleas tell that commander it was only because of his tag.

Also nice try against our hills and bay and soon we will be taking back our SM.
Also IoJ, where has these numbers been all match up, never been this much fun taking you guys on after work each day this week.

Yes…yes that was me My guys scouted DR goleming north gate JUST as we were about to port our golems for south gate, the rush to get through north gate was poor on my part and got us wiped, i deserve the ram to the face!

I’ve logged for the night as our server is pretty much asleep at the moment for a few more hours, if only we had some European guilds we might actually stand a chance to hold SM. Its amazing to see it change so quickly in EB, DH going from about 10-15 people up to ~40 alone in EB just as the aussies log for the night, its pretty much perfect PvDoor time for both our servers.

Wow really…Darkhaven whinging about ‘nightcapping’? They exact thing you lot have done all matchup to both us and DR? Really? lol

People that don’t know, WvW is a 24/7 thing, its not our fault we have more people on when your servers are quiet, dont complain when we capitalise on that.

Have a cup of concrete and harden the kitten up!

Dont hate on us for doing good one night a week lol, bad sportsmanship! Tsk tsk

Kiromana.9875:

43 minutes later…

Yes, gj PvDooring your stuff back whilst we hit DR’s bl

Lovely night by IoJ, Great job guys!

Gab Superstar.4059:

MrFluffy.9307:

love how DR says we play for second…

Hahaha.

We were JUST talking about this on TeamSpeak. How IoJ goes for DH this ONE time so that they can forever refute ANY claims of always going for second.

Get real please. No one is going to buy that bullkitten.

Have you not been looking at DH’s borderlands at all this week? Counter Barrier and his guild HARD have spent their whole time in there flipping stuff (and defending our BL from you guys), myself and other commanders have hit DH’s Corner hard in EB multiple times

So actually we can refute ANY claims of ‘ALWAYS’ playing for second. Think about it, if we were playing for second, do you lot REALLY think youd be that close behind DH and us be so far behind? The only reason DH isnt so far ahead at the moment is because we’ve both been hitting them hard (pun not intended) instead of fighting over eachothers points the whole week.

MrFluffy.9307:

love how DR says we play for second…

I LOVE it when they say we do, always a good laugh

DH storming us in EB, DH and DR borderlands their respective colours…but where is DR? Oh, capping our borderlands again, suprise!

This was after we gave up on DH’s bloody keep, that thing is impossible!!!

Xillllix.3485:

Gab Superstar.4059:

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Did… Did IoJ just golem rush a full paper SM where there was absolutely no one defending it?

O.o

….

O.o

Yes, the same golems that were going to be used on durios and bravost until silly ol’ dh decided to push mendons so the golems were used to rush a fully upgraded jerrifers and knock down the 2 rear gates of lowlands keep STILL FIGHTING FOR THIS KEEP

EDIT: The whole time we were hitting DH, DR the little sneaks go and take our hills and hit Ogrewatch or Veloka…even after we saved your corner by hitting DH hard and letting you lot have SM tsk tsk DR tsk tsk

You didn’t “let” us have SM. We went in there and took it from you right as IoJ were about to cap it.

I was there the whole time defending SM, I am certain DR attacked first. When we wiped the first wave of them and pushed them out the broken wall IoJ came rushing our gate up north and broke in.
We had to split our forces in two.
I remember casting a firestorm in the Lord room on both IoJ and DR. At that point DH had already decided to flank you and take back SM later. Then I crashed…

Is the reason i decided to hit SM, I noticed the the big orange cross in the south east slowly move further away from SM meaning DR was being pushed back!

The instant we knocked down outer gate i took my guys straight to the south east to try and wipe DH and let DR get in but did not know DR already nearly had the walls down! We were definatly the weaker server in that 3 way having no where near enough bodies to take on both servers in the lords room. Still, it was a lot of fun

Gab Superstar.4059:

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Did… Did IoJ just golem rush a full paper SM where there was absolutely no one defending it?

O.o

….

O.o

Yes, the same golems that were going to be used on durios and bravost until silly ol’ dh decided to push mendons so the golems were used to rush a fully upgraded jerrifers and knock down the 2 rear gates of lowlands keep STILL FIGHTING FOR THIS KEEP

EDIT: The whole time we were hitting DH, DR the little sneaks go and take our hills and hit Ogrewatch or Veloka…even after we saved your corner by hitting DH hard and letting you lot have SM tsk tsk DR tsk tsk

You didn’t “let” us have SM. We went in there and took it from you right as IoJ were about to cap it.

When SM was fully upgraded i even said to the server “The goal here is to get it flipped, not take it” And we achieved that, the second time (just before) We were focused in DH’s corner trying to get their keep hoping you would hit SM and not us for a change!

GG DH your keep defense is amazing…or my strategys really need some work…or both

Great fun tonight, we nearly bloody had it so many times!!!

Gab Superstar.4059:

Did… Did IoJ just golem rush a full paper SM where there was absolutely no one defending it?

O.o

….

O.o

Yes, the same golems that were going to be used on durios and bravost until silly ol’ dh decided to push mendons so the golems were used to rush a fully upgraded jerrifers and knock down the 2 rear gates of lowlands keep STILL FIGHTING FOR THIS KEEP

EDIT: The whole time we were hitting DH, DR the little sneaks go and take our hills and hit Ogrewatch or Veloka…even after we saved your corner by hitting DH hard and letting you lot have SM tsk tsk DR tsk tsk

AHHHHHHHHHH DH!!!!!!
Your kee kitten o hard to take, Server wide dc from EB is just the cherry on the cake!

Rexand.8643:

Good job with the 13 golem wipe at SM, IoJ. It was really fun sitting back in the middle of the lords room and watching you all get wiped.

I believe it was more golems than that!

But we managed to get the lord down and had the circle red for a second before your huge zerg showed up! We were easily out numbered

Thats our 3rd golem rush on SM ( last 2 times had 20+ golems which then died at DR’s keep) These golem rushes werent organised at all and was suprised we got as far as we did all 3 times!

Second golem rush last night!

Just the usual 20 golem push on SM as you guys took lowlands!

Another good laugh tonight.

Loving the matchup atm

The 3 way for the keep was the most fun ive had in a while!
DH getting trapped between the 2 south gates after we capped it gave me a good laugh

pixieish.9627:

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

I’m going to be honest with you, the reason why we’re helping DH get rid of you is… well… you kind of creep us out. It wouldn’t be so bad if you just did it in the keeps, but no, you just have to do your weird tongue action in public too…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oafHw60zds

But…but what if i limit it to EB only?