Guild Wars 2

glad to help out ^_^b

Your server probably had a significant Robust bonus (% hp increase). That bonus was reset to 0% with the WvW reset this afternoon.

Leeto.1570:

Kyskythyn.6471:

The Soul Marks trait is a great way to gain LF reliably. One mark of blood on a fluffy bunny gives me 14% LF.
In combat, especially if you’re getting focused, a single spectral skill can rocket your LF back up. Even the 15 in Soul Reaping trait will get the job done.

Dont know why your mentioning this, if i would be fine with traiting marks, wasting utility slot or dropping to 50% for trait spectral armor just to unlock 4 important skills then i would be fine with casting necrotic grasp 4 times too. =/
Im not saying its hard to generate that 12% LF to enter shroud im talking about if there really should be such rare occasions when you get catched with 0 LF

My point is that if you’re not willing to put the traits or utilities into DS, you can’t expect to get much out of it.

Gab Superstar.4059:

This is totally how the game was meant to be played guyzzzz!!!! I just have a weird 1920×200 monitor!!!

Also; the fact that dozens of posts have been deleted because they were discussing exploits says nothing about whether or not we are in fact discussing an exploit LOL?

Yeaaaaaaaa…. you can do this kinda thing without any other software for pretty much any display. I think it’s really just up to ANet to fix it.

The Soul Marks trait is a great way to gain LF reliably. One mark of blood on a fluffy bunny gives me 14% LF.
In combat, especially if you’re getting focused, a single spectral skill can rocket your LF back up. Even the 15 in Soul Reaping trait will get the job done.

Otaking.4675:

This class is really only good for being carried by a group or tagging from behind a keep wall.

On the contrary, bunker necros make for great bait. Was roaming around in wvw the other day when my glass thief guildie runs up with a horde of angry invaders on his tail. The thief says “Kys! Take aggro, thanks!” and peaces. Angry horde stops for a few minutes whittling me down. Thief comes back after resetting and executes them. Job complete! ^_^b

On topic:
I think there is a reasonable amount of LF generation available for those who want it, keeping in mind you must wait 5/10 seconds after you get knocked out of 0% LF. If your build does not have access to easy LF generation, then you must resign yourself to not using DS as frequently.

Protip:
Kill rabbits (they’re evil I swear)

Just curious, why are you not using Ritual Mastery?

Zelthios.5902:

Kyskythyn.6471:

Zelthios.5902:

Dude I fought people from your guild, they are pretty terrible.

You are too kind ^_^

I see you play a thief maybe you’re the one I’m thinking of the terrible thief that couldn’t burst a single person down.

My thief is purely for solo dungeon runs and hasn’t been in WvW in at least 3 months. I play a tanky support asuran necro for WvW. If I bursted anyone down in that spec, they should just quit the game now.

Zelthios.5902:

Dude I fought people from your guild, they are pretty terrible.

You are too kind ^_^

Tonaius.6712:

But I would like to question why you guys would hold onto [IoJ Hills] so tightly when DH sweeps through your BL and takes everything?

DR BL is often full of pugs and terrible commanders who think they are good at the game because they bought 100g. Those of us seeking semi-intelligent play must look elsewhere.

hyjaxxx.1584:

Arena net is gonna have to make a Jumping puzzle based on your decent to tier 8.
Jaxx.

Let’s not give ANet any more encouragement for jumping puzzle events. Can’t wait for the next “big wvw patch.” >_>

Prosecutor.1457:

CrazyCanuck.4265:

@ the SE zerg in DRBL right now. Please learn how to take paper keeps when you outnumber people 2-1. It all makes sense now why you guys cant leave t6.

To the Guild [Obs] Were you guys even in there? Didn’t see 1 of you clowns there except a massive amount of DDLG and other various guilds to match our 25 man zerg. Continue to make yourself look better by saying that you are outnumbered 2-1 when it reality, that’s us.

We are a smaller guild that prefers small group fighting and objective taking rather than larger attacks on keeps and towers. ^_^

Almostfaceman.1804:

I don’t know, opening night this week when we had numbers to go “zerg to zerg” as it were we trounced you every time we butted heads, as the score indicated. After that our numbers drop off, so if you’re finding our “zerg to zerg” lacking after that time period I would suggest it’s because you vastly outnumber us and it can put you in a boring place.

I am DR, you know ^_^

I am not saying that my experience is typical, merely that I can see where some DH would get a negative opinion of DR’s level of play from those types of situations.

hyjaxxx.1584:

Kyskythyn.6471:

hyjaxxx.1584:

If not, then we will stay in this tier and get stagnant from lack of proper contest.

Sadly, this already seems to be the case.

DH finds DR’s and IoJ’s zerg fights lacking. I’ve firsthand seen some of DR’s horrible zergs. Went to go flank for a big group taking a camp the other day only to find that big group had dissolved. >_<

DR for its part finds DH’s small group fights lacking. I haven’t seen too many roaming groups out there that could go toe to toe with ADQQSty.

What map ya gonna be on tonight? Ill gather up some grimmies and we will come say howdy.

I am not the one to ask, but they usually roam around different borderlands, so DHBL or IoJBL would be a good start.

hyjaxxx.1584:

If not, then we will stay in this tier and get stagnant from lack of proper contest.

Sadly, this already seems to be the case.

DH finds DR’s and IoJ’s zerg fights lacking. I’ve firsthand seen some of DR’s horrible zergs. Went to go flank for a big group taking a camp the other day only to find that big group had dissolved. >_<

DR for its part finds DH’s small group fights lacking. I haven’t seen too many roaming groups out there that could go toe to toe with ADQQSty.

I think the real issue Ichor is driving at is necro’s place on a tank-dps scale. We’re obviously more weighted on the tank end of things, meaning that a full zerker necro will still be able to take a few hits compared to say a glass thief or ele, but with significantly less damage. Likewise a full bunker necro will be better at taking burst damage than a bunker thief or ele because of our higher effective health pool.

Anchoku.8142:

Necro healing is not the best among professions

Though your point rings true, all 3 of necro’s basic heals scale 1:1 with heal power.

Ichor.9360:

some sort of tank/support-exclusive build which, by nature, will have piddly DPS

That’s me!

Although you degen more hp per tic in DS, you must also remember that you gain life force in percents. Higher vitality means that your spectral “heals” and other LF generators are more effective.

Andele.1306:

Protection on cast and on epidemic use?

Essentially this for the well of power question. Well of Power converts over time for the caster even if you do not stand in the circle for the duration, so I find it more effective for enemies stacking many instances of a single condition.

soiheardyoulikevitality

If you need help with any of those items, do not hesitate to ask

Krelkain.5418:

boop

Great vid

They used to not degenerate. I remember seeing a necro in beta that was followed around by about 16 jagged horrors as well as the usual minions. Just think, that’s 400 extra toughness :o

Crimson Tide a few times, Blood is Power and Epidemic.
Then sit back and watch the numbers.

From the wiki:
“Projectile finishers with a light field do not cleans conditions from the character launching the projectile. Only those in the path of the projectile after it enters the light field are cleansed. " Test it if you’re not sure.

That said, I have always used well of blood because of its larger total heal (unless you are stacked with 6+ conditions), protection from death magic trait, reduced cd, and lifesteal (for when in massive add parts of dungeons).
A 5k-ish heal over time is useful for squishy allies as well.
Area retaliation is fun

I saw a norn mesmer sometime that looked something like this:

Yes, but does it count towards the 100% duration cap?
Say I have full set of runes of the necromancer (20%), use super veggie pizza (40%), 30 points into Spite (30%) and this trait. Will the fear duration only be increased by 100% because of the cap, or will the base duration be increased by 50%, then increased by the 90%?

Not sure if this was previously answered somewhere but:
Is the master of terror trait (50% fear duration) included in the 100% duration increase cap, or does it increase the base duration of fear?

Necro support is largely condition based rather than strictly healing. This includes stacking vulnerability and blinds as well as cleansing conditions off your allies. You can also heal a decent amount with DS4, leaving DS, and Well of Blood.
I run a tanky support build in WvW and in dungeons, and it is reasonably effective.

I think that condition necro naturally has the advantage in PvE due to necro’s lack of high damage physical damage aoe’s. That said, PTV is great for many single target boss fights.
If you are looking for a hybrid build between the two, I would suggest trying out some Cond Dmg/Toughness/Vitality jewelry, or simply switch between condi gear and PTV gear for mass killing and boss fights.

Wizardauz.3761:

Hope to see another fight club sometime today DR?!

We’re always down

Is this happening today? :o
Missed the last one, so I’d love to participate.

Just curious why there are no Ascended gear that have vitality as a main stat. Every other stat has an ascended earring that focuses on that stat, but vitality sadly does not.

I am currently running Shaman’s gear (CM armor, shaman’s amulet and ring, Ashes of the Effigy), but as there is no vitality based ascended gear, I am considering changing my build. I was wondering if this was merely an oversight, or part of planned development.

If you’re getting killed by 3 hits with 12k health then the thief is hitting you for 4k a HS, no? In that case either:

1. You have close to base toughness, in which case you don’t have much right to complain about getting hit hard.

2. The thief is completely glass cannon spec, giving up all survivability for that burst. If his little combo fails, he’s dead meat.

Not every build is meant to be able to counter every possible situation. If you’re damage spec, you can’t complain about not being able to tank. If you’re tank spec, you can’t complain about not being able to damage.

Bellamy.9860:

Both contestants use a valkyrie amulett with zerker gem 30 points into their vit/healing trait line, no sigils, no runes and got 30% boon duration from somewhere.

Just curious: why this setup?

What build are you running that you run out of LF in a zerg v. zerg fight? I usually don’t have a problem with LF generation…

If you’re not happy with the squishiness of your build, try another?

I use these two coats for my little thief and I’m satisfied with their look on her:

Enduring Coat (karma vendor in Fireheart Rise)
Invader’s Rawhide Vest (396 badges of honor from WvW)

Enjoy

I’d like to second this request.
The ascended gear tends to be very offensive based, which 9 of the amulets having power as the main stat and 6 having condition damage. Meanwhile, which the exception of the all-stat pendants, there are only 3 amulets with healing power, and these have healing power as an off stat in the gem….
I run Shaman’s gear, which is available from one dungeon and which there is only one set of exotic jewelry for. Currently I need to change my jewelry to something that is not my build in order to get agony res. Could use a little love

Staff is not necessarily a condition weapon. It is a great support weapon as well. The weapon skills are a regen/bleed, slow and reduce enemy heal, transfer conditions from allies, and a cc. Keeping in mind that all four of these are AoE, staff makes for a fine support weapon. Also, the staff traits are in Death Magic, which gives more boon duration.
Well of Blood, Transfusion, and Deathly Invigoration can be very nice heals for your allies as well, especially if you stack healing power.

Yendorion.2381:

Look guys forget it, look at Trahearne, look at the boss at the Cliffside fractal, those are true necromancer, the profession is just it’s pitious parody. PERIOD. Settled..moving on..

2h Hammer necro anyone? :p

Red vs. Blue?
Feel the love, IoJ.

@Quillixx
Serious question:
Why did you make this post?

I assume it is for:
“This thread was created to show discrepancies in class balance at the design level.”
“The shortcomings are a list of design pitfalls, and not open to interpretation or opinion, as you seem think they are. It’s simply stating a fact.”

While you make some good points and are certainly entitled to your own opinions regarding the current state of necros, discounting others’ opinions of the class just because they do not conform to your expectations is not constructive.
This of course can be turned around to the other side of the argument as well. Pointless arguing on both sides is doing nothing to help our class.

Levian.6742:

While there is some of this going on, there is a bit of a lack in trait synergy, coupled with broken (lifesteal) mechanics. I understand that thematically Blood Magic fits with healing power. But when you understand how well toughness and healing power work together, especially for our profession which is lacking any substantial Life Stealing/Regeneration it sort of hurts.

We have all this health, doubled with Death Shroud, but because Healing Power goes along with Vitality, we go without Toughness and our high HP gets burned down in no time (lack of protection doesn’t help either). You COULD get toughness, along with vitality and healing power, but you sacrifice any damage potential you once had.

Perma-regen from staff2 not good enough for you?

Between runes and soul reaping’s Last Gasp, I get 21 secs of protection at 50% health every 60 secs in addition to the protection from wells. With that and 33k base health, I am a tough cookie. I sacrifice all the damage potentials and do 150s ’cause I enjoy that kind of play (the tanking, not the 150s ^.~) But then, that is not for everyone.

If lifesteal were based off of healing power, oh if only….

I hear a lot of “This isn’t in my build. I don’t want it. ANet change it pls.”

Traits that are affected by healing:
Full of Life
Mark of Evasion – for regen (ignoring the fact that it is a Mark of Blood in the Blood Magic tree)
Ritual of Life – (once again ignoring the fact that is a Well of Blood in the Blood Magic tree)
Transfusion
Deathly Invigoration

Traits that indirectly help healing:
Dagger Mastery – for dagger2
Ritual Mastery – for more well of bloods

You may argue that these are not enough traits. For comparison, let’s look at Death Magic and Boon Duration:
Traits in DM that are affected by boon duration:
Greater Marks – a bit of a stretch but more regen to more people I guess
Ritual of Protection
Staff Mastery – again a bit of a stretch for staff2
Spiteful Vigor

Well of Power
I use this a lot, I find it more useful than Plague Signet personally. I can see it being a little lackluster if you run with Consume Conditions because you’d want to eat up those conditions for extra healy goodness. I like it because 1. it’s a well (so reduced cd, lifesteal, protection) 2. It’s AoE, so allies benefit. 3. It reverses the effect of anything my enemies throw at me, so if I’m running away and I get snared/crippled I get swiftness instead.

Downsides are long cd (48s with cd trait) and only converts one boons per sec.

Other fact is that WoP actually applies a buff for its effect (which oddly looks like the well of blood icon), which means you can run out of the well and still have the cleansing effect. This also effectively extends its duration to about 8 secs.

Max vitality roughly doubles the damage sponginess of LF. That is to say, 1% of vit LF is worth as much dmg as 2% of no vit LF.

Some points I’d like to bring up:
Necro “glass cannon” from what I’ve seen is more based off of consistent DPS rather than burst. While this does not appeal to everyone, remember that even a full damage spec necro has more hp than, say, a glass cannon thief or ele. The difference is that the eles and thieves have more escape mechanisms that necros lack.

Spectral walk is not only used for teleport juking. 30+ seconds of swiftness is oftentimes enough in itself to outrun specs without perma-swiftness.

To those that question Necro’s survivability, have you tried running a tank build, or at least a build with more toughness or vit? While a guardian is more of a support tank with a lot of boons/heals-to-allies skills, a necro makes for a very good soloer that is extremely difficult to bring down with a lot of blinds and godly amounts of hp (my base is 33k). Think of Spectral Walk/Armor as heals for your DS. Right now I’m also using Runes of the Forge which, paired with the soul reaping master trait Last Gasp, gives me 21 secs of protection at 50% every 60 seconds in addition to healing my DS due to the spectral armor. Believe me, it adds up to a lot of survivability. Can I kill things as fast as a thief/warrior/ele? Of course not. Do I enjoy hitting 150s on mobs? Not really… But I don’t die to three hits like glass cannons and have many methods of very much prolonging a fight.

Is necro perfect? Far from. Does everyone that’s complaining just need to L2P? Not at all. But all the same, there are a lot of players out there that have found success running all kinds of builds. Whining about how your class/build is broken is not going to cause ANet to magically swoop in with a “Hello unhappy client, how can we change to game to suit you?” I mean, that would be awesome, but still…

Shaman’s (Vit/Cond dmg, healing) is a good alternative to Apothecary’s (Healing/ Toughness, Cond dmg)

Oooh I know what necro needs! More players that actually enjoy playing the class for what it is!

Seriously…how many more posts like this are there going to be? >_>

Try playing a condition build with epidemic and watch everyone melt to trident auto-attacks.

Downstate fear no longer works, and even if it did work it would only work against 1 person for 1 second
I haven’t had a problem with it not working, make sure you are actually targeting the person trying to stomp you. While it is…interesting that some classes have multi-target counterstomps, we as necros are not alone in our single target misery.

Life stealing is down right a joke
While autoattacking a single target, lifesteal can be a little lackluster, but with wells and Vampiric Rituals, you can get about 80 lifesteal per target per well per second.

Death shroud is a joke
Second health bar, teleport, instant interrupt, and a solid AoE for all necros means the joke’s on other classes.

Poison damage is a joke
Poison’s main purpose is the -33% healing on your target. This can make for a nice bunker-buster on heal tanks and can significantly reduce any classes ability to maintain their health in an extended fight. This goes a long well with necro’s slower, grind-’em-down style of combat.

Fear is a joke
Yeah, interrupts are a joke. Don’t know why anyone would ever use them.

Pets do not attack what you attack nine tenths of the time / pets damage is horrible even with trait / pets life is horrible even with trait / pets life steal is a joke / pets are a joke / pet ai pathing is a joke
Yes, minion’s are dumb. Maybe intelligence is too much to expect from brainless globs of flesh, but they need to be fixed all the same.

Still the only class with the must bugs
Have you ever played another class extensively? (honest question)

Only good weapon necro has is literally the focus
Each weapon has it’s own purposes in different builds. I’ve seen every weapon type put to good use with different styles of builds.

Condition damage is a joke due to condition removal being op
Physical damage is a joke due to heals being op. It’s about forcing enemies to have that condition removal skill/trait, instead of something else. Not just that but even if they have a condition removal skill, then they need to choose when to use it. If you time that properly, you can apply your most potent conditions after they use their cleanse. If they choose not to use a cleanse, you DoT them into the ground.

Necros have the worst survive ability
If you truly believe this, then I’m sorry for you. Very high base health, some of the best condition cleanses, lots of blinds, good traits (yes, that’s right, I said it), reasonable heals, perma-regen with staff, need I go on?

GW1 necros had hexes but all of a sudden necros in GW2 never get them, where is my weaken and where is my insidious parasite?
This isn’t GW1, deal with it.

Do I get F keys for my wells, too? o.o
Not everyone uses minions…