Condi thieves are actually great on moving fights compared to other condi builds because they don’t rely on foes standing in its fields. All the thief needs is for one hit of death blossom to hit the target to get all bleeds on, it’s only caltrops that needs its target inside and it has a pretty big radius. As for the venom thing it’s not hard to share between ppl at all and if for some crazy silly reason the thief knew they wouldn’t be able to share its not like the build dies they can merely just switch out both venom’s for the trap and dagger utility. It’s easily one of the best if not the best builds to use in actual raid settings. Possible only 2 downsides that I can think of for thief is having a unlucky death blossom during a hard hitting/ 1 shot mech and it connected right after the evade frame ends.
It’s def possible I just think no ones really ever going to use it a lot simply because it lacks mobility and has 0 defensive choices on it. Especially now that eternal champion doesn’t pulse stab open to an easy int from say a thief while spinning not the end of the world its just another thing that isnt a plus for the wep set is all in that game setting.
Triumphant hero armor plox…..
Urban
Mai trin
Molten
Those are my fav Love Urban I think because it was the first fractal I ever did its also really easy with decent cc from the group. Love Mai trin also primarily for the concept of getting to fight her and the fight itself is really fun (take a condi cleanse!). I think everyone loves molten just because its fast.
Echoing Eruption: This skill is no longer able to multistrike targets. Torment duration has been increased from 6 seconds to 10 seconds. Torment stacks applied have been increased from 3 to 5. This skill will no longer automatically track the revenant’s target and will instead fire the skill forward.
The recent changes to mace skill 3 was a great step forward for condi rev, however the actual use of this skill compared to before is severely worse. I know I saw once someone mention that it would simply be a skill issue of using but imo in actual practice this skill now is very clunky very easy to miss with especially in a pvp setting I’ve honestly only found im able to connect with this skill after some form of hard cc or someone is simply inexperienced with moving.
I hope anet takes a look at this skill and possibly considers reverting or changing the tracking/targeting of it because atm it’s not user friendly or a skill that requires smart use it just feels clunky.
Is it really that hard for people to realize they’re afk farming how technical does it really have to be to understand the difference between being afk and afk farming. This really just feels like a stubborn player issue.
I’m gonna go with E
I’m no thief pro but if possible avoid a 1v1 with any warrior build that runs def and endure pain will either take to long or a simple mistake will get u killed more so compared to other classes .
On that note though I’m going to have to say blinds and poison and watching berserk so you know when to back off. Also learning what each warrior animations/range especially something like arc divider on gs or skull crusher on mace. Be wary of using head shot when/if they switch to shield as you don’t want to reflect yourself. A good amount of warriors also open with headtbutt if you are able to dodge/evade it that’s normally a great sign to be extremely aggressive as they won’t have enough immediate adrenal to pop berserk.
Some other things that are useful when facing warios are things like using warrior steal ability inside a black powder field its a great offensive and defensive means against warriors They don’t have the fastest attack rates outside of initial berserk so blind spams are highly effective against them. Hopefully others can give more advice but those are some things I can think of off the top of my head.
Hopefully whatever strong rifle moves there are have some sort of self reveal on it maybe so its not silly with stealth.
I thought the easiest was bitterfrost still?
Well that’s pretty awesome thanks for the insight.
So hopefully by now people know the amazing power of condi thieves. All I’m really curious about is how people feel about condi thief.
As for me I personally have the wonderful pleasure of running around with an amazing thief in general who used to only run power. Eventually he bothered to go and learn condi and in my eyes at least it’s taken him to a whole different level in terms of dps in actual fights. To put it frankly imo it seems overtunned and I’m somewhat confused as to what in its tool kit is actually leading to it being so powerful.
Iv’e looked through the traits the build has access to and came up with some things like lead attacks and and lotus training being one of the few if not the only % based condi boosters in the game for a class or is it the amount of whirl finishers they put out?
For others they may feel differently and say condi thief is perfectly fine which is cool. I would just like to know how everyone feels about condi thiefs current performance in the game from a pve viewpoint namely Raids and even fractals.
This is a great thread
Druid is using the normal meta build. Honestly though that game was just all around downhill the class match ups were iffy the other team had 2 supports(druid/tempest) + a scrapper that alone is tough to deal with. On the flip side your friends team had no support.
On top of all this almost every clip shown your friend was outnumbered 2+and to wrap it all together their was next to no focus fire from teammates which is imho the most important thing in any game because even with the iffy matchup if 2 chronos are runnning moa the kill potential is without a doubt there, more effort is prob required but not going to happen with that level of no focus targets.
I think ele is going to be sb and rev is prob going to be gs
Thief and mesmer imo are what you might want to consider learning they have the ability to change games or keep those allies that wipes instantly in teamfights. Prob the key thing to thief and mesmer is they have the tools to play objectively at a fast rate thanks to their amazing mobility on top of that both are some of the best 1v1 class/builds atm. On the other hand they’re aren’t faceroll and takes a good one to have that effect on a game but it’s clear as day when a good thief or mesmer is on you team or the enemy team.
Necros kinda count them to hard is what im finding personally
I agree with this need better in game stuff to teach players about each map and what the playerbase considers basic mechanics. Would even go as far to say this is needed when ppl hit level 80 for pve as well. Personally the real question I guess would be how much resources would need to be spent on this what would be pushed back and how much does the community even want it.
Imo anyway healers are perfectly fine I really think it’s just due to the old dungeon meta mentality where ppl could and quite often did end up in groups with multiple ppl in clerics/knights gear and selfish utility.
One healer in a fractal run can make things extremely smooth and even faster not that it’s actually needed. On the note of damage that’s what the other gear sets are for like zealot etc just simply don’t expect to heal as much as a magi geared healer.
As for special buffs provided that’s honestly class based not role based and each profession provides different things druids have spirits and gotl, tempests have auras and a passive separate regen for others, revs have amazing boon uptime on several important boons and a boon duration increase. I’m personally not sure what guardians bring in regards to something amazing possibly high group aegis uptime but can’t really comment on guard in a healer role haven’t used it outside of wvw.
I personally think ppl will see more ventari revs as the season goes on and hammer+m/SH power builds for warriors the cc between hammer and mace/shield is pretty insane especially on focus targets.
One thing is for sure there will be a lot of crying about necros overall damage in a pvp setting.
In all honesty if they do nerf something on ventari which they might before next season not sure its prob going to be the protection uptime its insanely high add in a support tempest and u can do some silly things together.
Meh can just use both like guardians used to before dragon hunter was a thing
Grats op that’s truly awesome and nice to see. Something I personally noticed that helped dealing with constant cc for myself was switching out jalis for glint.
I personally run mace instead of sword as sword feels weak to me without ferocity plus mace gives a 3 possible blast finisher along with poison on auto for downed cleaving if needed. I take invocation for the instant stun break on legend swap coupled with jalis inspiring reinforcement with enhanced bulwark and leadership runes for something upwards to like 7-9 secs of stability with multiple stacks if used with facet of nature.
Jalis as a whole really helps to deal with heavy pressure vs many things especially thieves with vengeful hammers, the taunt is extremely powerful as a support option or great for helping teammates secure kills most of all my favorite is the elite skill that is amazing when going for a rez or engaging teamfights. The only thing i really found myself missing by swapping out glint was the reveal and better uptime on the hearald master trait. With the addition of alacrity the tablet auto summoning on swap and great utility cost reductions rev is a serious contender in the support roles for spvp I feel.
Im more curious about shredder gyro lol
No ones going to be using a rev ventari unless they’re support its damage is awful ppl will most likely still use 2 druids to get gotl at 5 stacks not to mention to actually upkeep the tablet alacrity isn’t energy friendly
Bard always felt like ranger or thief imo I would even pick warrior as a bard before mesmer no thanks
Scrappers are beyond fine and even amazing in fractals especially if pugging. They only fall off in raids because they don’t bring any sort of unique like buff whereas almost every other class does.
I’m not sure what the issue is here adapt
I’m pretty sure the issue is it’s not fun. Out of all 4 bosses, he’s the most boring one. Thinking back, he might be the most unfun and boring boss out of all 13 bosses when they were brand new.
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Sabetha is a terrible comparison. As Karde is the only real NPC during this phase.
VG fits better, red guardian is basically immun to normal damage. Normal damage still helps to kill Rigom faster.
If anything, this fight would of made a lot more sense if you needed to kill rigom with power and then all the condi’s would tick on Guldhem and damage him instead of being transfered constantly. So you’d constantly have to kill Rigom while keeping max condi’s on Guldhem when he finally died.
I’m not following, so the boss isn’t fun because it requires primarily condition damage while paying attention to what you’re actually doing?
I’m not sure what the issue is here adapt
Now that revs damage isn’t absurd anymore imo they should try out slightly readjusting the energy costs and cd times of healing/utility skills across all the legends. Later they could revisit the trait lines because atm corruption retribution and salvation are beyond underwhelming in a spvp setting
I hope this is something they revist and update before or for next season would possibly help overall basic expected team responsibilities.
lol it hasn’t even been that long and ppl are mouth foaming already good to much of a good thing I guess
Condi rev is clunky no true synergy between traits and the actual legend. No special interaction with its main condition being torment. No condition damage modifiers, weak resistance unless you’re in a team fight with ok boon duration.
It was already nerfed in pvp by 10% on july 26th it used to be stronger ppl really need to learn to back off when a warrior goes into berserk.
Honestly bring a condi cleanse guardians condi builds truly only really focus on burning they barely have stuff to cover it outside of sigils. I really only find you run into issues when they’re in teamfight like settings and the majority of the enemy team is also condi on classes that have a nice amount of cover condis to protect others.
Every class is capable of putting out decent condi cleansing or transferring you may have to sacrifice some damage but not getting burnt down insanely quick is pretty important so switch up utility and even traitlines where needed
It has great sustain good mobility (greatsword if power/hybrid) and easy to apply/great damage able to deal with focus fire be it condi or power and even has nice stability uptime if not the current highest in a typical meta build spvp match. Take that set up and place it in a bracket where most don’t bother to use teamwork or even communicate while having little to no knowledge about other classes skills/combos and you get something that can cause some serious pain.
Personally from what i have experienced to many ppl try to fight toe to toe with a warrior while they’re in berserker mode warriors prob imo at least have the easiest tells/animations to read out of all the classes in the game.
Reapers onslaught would prob be the trait imo to change if anet ever wants to increase power damage on reaper through shroud not sure how but it feels like a good candidate, atm its kinda underwhelming unless you’re solo and have a lot of things to kill.
Congrats and thanks for sharing was really fun to watch.
Well thats a shame all it really does is hurt the game
Just so ppl don’t forget warriors AH was already nerfed in the july balance patch by 10% in pvp. Also warriors Longbow burst skill doesn’t require a target to trigger AH.
Warriors honestly have a difficult time staying alive in t4s without support healing or taking defense for Adrenal health.
Don’t listen to this person.
Really please do explain how warriors have a great time sustaining in T4 fractals without support.
Two options: don’t get hit, or play with a druid. If you want to argue that a necro is better at not getting hit because they can range DPS, so can a condi warrior and a condi warrior will bring more team buffing while doing it.
I’ve been seeing this “warriors should use Defense in fractals and raids” cancer a lot lately. It really makes me said to see that Druids have lowered the skill cap of the game so badly that when faced with playing without a druid people have to play completely trash builds to compensate for it.
Somehow we managed to do original fractal 80s back when everything one shot you in full berserker builds without gimping our comps and no healer. I think that people can easily play faceroll fractals now without a healer if they take the time to learn to play.
You should have prob read my entire post, the don’t get hit part is perfectly viable but unlikely with a random pick up group and the instabilities especially social awkwardness along with always having a druid or some form of support. Secondly I never even mentioned anything about condi necro because the op was asking between condi warrior and power necro. The main reason I mention using defense or having some sort of support is that your every day non hand picked fractal group is hardly if ever optimized and if you end up with a lot of overlapping and ppl placing general bad stuff in melee range defense is a nice option to literally stay alive though others poor play.
Warriors honestly have a difficult time staying alive in t4s without support healing or taking defense for Adrenal health.
Don’t listen to this person.
Really please do explain how warriors have a great time sustaining in T4 fractals without support.
If you aren’t running with a hand picked group prob gonna say go with Power necro. Warriors honestly have a difficult time staying alive in t4s without support healing or taking defense for Adrenal health. Compared to necros where you’re naturally better at staying alive in pve settings. Also provide a great deal of aoe blinds for easy peasy trash pulls and nice cc lot of the utility is interchangeable. Lastly you have serious personal might stacking which is a very big deal if you aren’t running a group knowing you’re going to be might capped.
I’m pretty sure eles issue in general imo at least is it has some iffy sustain without water or healing power stat investments
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This must be some kind of joke reply because chronomancers are totally not fine in spvp, condie or power. If people really still believe silly stuff like Mesmers/Chronos are taken for anything else besides portal/moa they should probably actually try playing one in spvp instead of using a really worn out theme. (Or suggesting they are fine after a series of crippling nerfs to every single build that was viable in the past year.)
As for the nerf, it further hurt —quite badly-- the already completely non-existent power builds, and did nothing but appease the whiners (cough cough) about the only semi-potent build this class has left. Nevermind that Mesmers are not stackable, don’t have nearly the sustain and DPS output of various other professions, and also don’t have the spike damage (and sustain) of many other professions. Lastly even the meta condie shatter build that bads like to cry about once in awhile (FAR FAR less than they do about DH, Warrior, pre-nerf Rev, or Ele I might add!), isn’t even anywhere near the top of condition damaging professions in the game.
So what exactly are they good at if not sustained damage, spike damage, sustain, or condie damage? Portal and Moa in combination with an semi-OPd F5 to double up on Moa. Period.
You should try playing the game instead of just reading forums
This must be some kinda joke thread because chronomancers are beyond fine in spvp condi or power if ppl really still believe silly stuff like Mesmers/Chronomancers are only taken because of portal/moa they should prob actually try playing one in spvp instead of using a really worn out theme. As for the “nerf” it hardly hurt the main focus was for the condi cleanse the healing was just icing on top.
Personally I’m not really sure why this is an issue I mean aren’t AP hunters the most “hardcore” players because Ap literally covers all areas of the game and to get the most you need to pretty much play all areas of the game it just so happens for pvp its not something that you buy with gold or get super carried in.
Raids and maybe Fractals could use a scorecard possibly similar to pvp at this point. Ik for a fact personally that I’m a bit fed up of seeing poorly played tempests that get stuck in the wrong attunement after overloading or dying constantly and still feel like they’re doing amazing/top damage compared to that power scrapper/eng that’s been on point the whole raid. It would also help pop some bubbles that think certain builds are still crazy strong without being fed boons and class buffs.
I really just see more positives compared to negatives at this point most training runs dps tends to be low because ppl literally don’t know how to deal effective damage or are running in super tanky gear.
If someone brings up the argument then “you’re going to have groups being made that require a minimum of like 30k dps” then those ppl are either legit crazy, haven’t actually cleared a raid outside of being carried. Every single class in this game can put out enough damage as long as they’re in dps gear and maybe fully might stacked with fury in a timely manner if ppl know what they need to do.
D/D cds are to long compared to what they go up against along with celestial amulet not being a thing anymore those 2 things imo are what really kills it.