Just ignore them and do the event.
The issue isnt only that, is the fact that the inmerssion die as easily as the champion and in the events that they fail is much more difficult to complete it (in the cauldrons the “health” points are much biggers for the scale).
Im Trahernes henchman
I display the dungeonmaster so that less pugs ask me if i have experience with a dungeon lol. Have it for more than 8 months and only one time i have been asked been in the same instance and visually near them. It works!.
With the new patch a lot of people have began to farm champions, theres 2 problems with this:
First if you try to do the event they will said you: “guest other server”, that you are a troll, or will threat you, etc for trying to do the event (lol).
Second: They destroy the content, is much more difficult to do it with a huge zerg scaling it all and trying to fail (yeah fail lol). Aditionally if you trie to do other parts they just kill the bosses in seconds, it becomes totally boring.
Its true you can bann people for insults, etc. But the main problem is the destroying content that this kind of zergs can do, they eliminate inmersion. This is posible because 2 things: they try to fail and/or the scaling isnt good enough for the zerg size.
The solution is very simple: make the scaling properly or the dinamics more intense (like Baltazar temple where people actually need to know 3 simples things: avoid fear, respawn if you die and idodge and ignore the champions).
So if you cant change the scaling, you can make that some kind of champions with simples (but more complex mechanics that the ones the zergs try to spawn) spawn, like abominations or wraths, they are good enough to make the content a litle more difficult, so that zergs need to actually do something (like when you do the event with less people).
That way its much less posible that they destroy the champions in a blink, because this ones will down them first if they dont take care, this way or less people will do them in zerg, or will be large groups (in contradiction to zergs), meaning the content still has value beyond the gold. Same way they will try to farm difficult champions in their way to failing, making it more difficult.
This will encourage people to play in group (for real, not in zerg mode), the zergs will try to go in even larger groups to probe their luck with numbers (meaning less content in game getting “destroyed” for them, and probably in less servers); and lately some content not will be done in that way.
Dont worry they check each denunce. Also if a player denunce people for something that isnt object of amonestation, he can be banned.
I did it with subject 7 and with the 3 boss of tier 3 (norn and dog), using celestial gear in my mesmer. You can do it.
I blame both, as I said before, have you not heard the saying “ignorance of the law(or in this case, the ToS) is not an excuse”. People should read and be expected to adhere to the rules no matter how trivial they may seem to you. Next.
Thats ok, but the problem isnt the farm but how some farmers react to normal people playing the game. So the act of farm isnt the problem but the behavior some of the farmers have when someone is playing their zerg chain. Next.
Then you are either ignorant or just naive if you think it’s easy. You are basically saying ‘’ban players even if they are innocent.’’ I asked once again, who do you blame for letting the events fail? the leader or the sheep? the leader might not be trying because he might be scared others will curse/insult him, while the sheep won’t do it for the same reason.
If both the sheep and the leader are capable of thinking, then they are both responsable. But isnt ilegal to farm, only insults and that kind of conduct.
About this..
I haven’t been on a lot n the past couple days, so I don’t know the current state of the zerg trains, and I have yet to participate in a CS train.
Personally, I’ve always been against abusing people who legitimately want to complete events that peeps are holding up for the sake of farming, if people get too abusive, I’d just log off, because it would leave a bad taste in my mouth.
On the other hand, there are many types of people in zergs, some are the abusive kind, some are just trying to relax, and hopefully get lucky and find a cool looking skin. In FG, none of the champs in the rotation are reliant on holding up events, so I have no experience with that, but occasionally there would be people who would specifically target the champs in the rotation, and kill them out of order on purpose, when normally they would have no interest in said champion. (it was obvious what they were doing, because they would eventually start making snarky remarks in map chat)
Maybe they are just doing it for the lulz, or because some people in the zerg had hurled abuse at them, but to me, and some others in the zerg, they appear to be just as kittenish as those people who fly into a rage all because a passerby killed a champ.
This. You have people that love to troll on purpose and annoy others and then complain that ‘’omg why are they so mad?I’m allowed to do w/e I want!‘’. You want to kill champs? that’s fine, you do it in order just like us, not decide that hey I want to solo this guy. The zergs focus very few maps while every single map in game has champs. Acting like that is literally asking to get cursed/insulted.
Nothing validate cursing or insulting, also if you want to do a certain champion or event, because you didnt do it, you like it, is a guild run, for a friend?.
If someone said hes doing it because he want to make the zerg miss his champ, yes you can get angry, othercase not, isnt your map.
If i want to do a event, i do it, if someone want to farm it, he can farm it. If someone react like a barbarian, threat me or insult me, i denunce him. Point solved.
And not, isnt the social norm to dont play the game because of the farmers, they dont own the game, they arent all the players neither and i dont expect to think im the map owner if im trying to farm something (if i do it, witch still havent happened).
The same way i dont go mad if people come and kill a champion at his 50% when it toke me 10 minutes to solo, im not the champion owner, as they arent.
There’s no reason to blame people for getting rewards as quickly as possible. If they found content compelling enough and rewards adequate enough then they’d do it.
The problem here is the form they react against someone trying to do the event, not the fact they are farming.
I’m gonna go do those events now because it makes people mad.
Some events you can’t do much about; especially alone. If farmers choose to stand aside, unfortunately its their prerogative and a design flaw on A-net’s part (rewarding deliberate failure), But, with some others, even alone, you absolutely can!
Take the Aetherblade event for example (the one with the Aetherblade ship). It is solo-able and if you succeed, the zerg doesn’t get to milk the event for multiple champions. Even if they’ve arrived, you can end it faster by taking out as many vets and normal ones as quickly as you can. Its completing an event legitimately and you cannot be banned for it. Report anyone who sends threatening messages.
Another example that you can so something about are the ones that need to be completed in order NOT to spawn a champion. There are some out there, I won’t go into which and where. Again, you are completing an event legitimately. Nothing wrong with that.
Some would call this being a skritthead. LOL. Perhaps, but its fighting fire with fire.
Part of me want to do that, but i prefer the “if i want to do the event i do it”, if someone act like a toxic farmer then i report him, the game will be better without them.
the reason liadri is a problem is because theres a shiny chest behind her, so that’ll be content not everybody can do and therefore would only stand to divide elitist kittens from the rest of the world.
if a-net wants to make actually challenging bosses without broken mechanics then fine, but don’t tie anything to the boss monster, no mini, no achievement points, no treasure.
the only reason the boss even exists is so those “skilled” players can have something “hard” to kill. and nothing else.
the “skilled” are still entitled because they want something to go behind the challenging boss so they can have something to push in the face of others, instead of just the self satisfaction of showing off to your friends as they watch as you killed the boss or just the satisfaction that you could do it.What a great idea! However, let’s remove all rewards from GW2, that way everyone gets the chance to do whatever content they want just for fun!
See how that works?
well if everybody can do it that means more people will enjoy the content i.e. more people staying = more money for a-net.
sure some elitist kittens will leave and find “challenging” games, but the gain will be much more than the lose.so instead of grinding for some stupid mini they can play and enjoy the content.
Can i have my legendary for free, without real money, gold or time spent?, because i dont have time…
It doesnt work that form, is the same with a skill challenge.
So or you eliminate all rewards, or you learn to live knowing some people have things you dont.
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I feel like making a guild event to intentionally break the zerg chain. lol
That would be griefing and would be bannable as you would be intentionally harassing other players.
Is more probable he will ban a lot of farmers, because if they insult him in map chatt is banable 100%.
Why are people so focussed on beating Liadri anyway? All you get is a few AP and a mini. Most people seem to dump mini’s into their bank and forget about them.
It is the realization that I’m not the best player in the game that hurts.
okay you can stop laughing now, I’m actually serious.
Train!!!
What players want is content that is just difficult enough that they can complete but others cant, so they can wear it as a trophy around their neck and brag about it. That kind of behavior should not be encouraged, at least not here.
Why not?
Honestly, these are the only “achievements,” or “titles,” worth anything in a game.
That said, LFM Arah P1. Liadri Mini players only.
Because you’re deriving happiness from the misfortune of other players.
Whether or not someone receives a mini or an achievement does not affect you. To deny them happiness just for the sake of your bragging rights is not good behavior.
The title of this thread should not be “entitled players vs skilled players”, it should be “regular players vs jerks”.
Its the same as quitting the others the content they want, you are quitting them happiness.
Agreed. GW2’s community significantly consists of a group called ‘casuals’ who in my opinion are too lazy to do anything productive or challenging, or are either tight on time and want to hold back the game for selfish reasons, like not being left behind.
I believe Anet catered to both parties with the crown pavilion patch. Casuals downstairs mindlessly zerging while upstairs we have the more dedicated testing their skills.
I really do hope Anet continues this approach and even if the rewards may still be pretty sad, finally players can feel a sense of satisfaction.
Finally, dont be mistaken… I too have yet to beat liadri and play around an hour a day. The content should vary catering for all players not just the ‘omgz ascended gear too hard’ players.There isn’t any reason to single out so-called “casuals”, however, as they are probably not all the ones complaining. Also, why should you call someone you don’t know “lazy” just because assumptions made on his/her gameplay based on hours played? Bet that many “lazy casuals” (in your view) do just fine on that challenge.
There are casuals that play pretty great, aren’t “lazy”, and don’t complain about petty stuff, enjoying the game for what it is-and some of them play a lot of hours too, but they don’t care for the so-called “hardcore” attitude, because for them it means nothing (nothing against being “hardcore” either, but why is being “casual” a negative, just because it isn’t “hardcore”/different than you?)
In fact, it’s possible that many “hardcore” farmers of CoF 1 (no offense intended) are some of the ones complaining. Are these people “lazy” too? Because they were supposedly “hardcore”, not “casuals”.
Again no personal attack intended, just food for thought-in short, it’s not wise to stereotype “casuals” as something inherently negative, accusing the whole casual GW2 community of crimes they may have never committed.
Theres 2 forms i know about to call people casuals and hardcore:
For time spent (most common in MMO but not in gaming).
For skill level.
Clearly in Liandri the adecuate deffinition is for skill level.
Its true that playing a lot may increase your skill, that isnt always the case; and more importantly if someone do only the more easiest parts or specializate in one, then he/she isnt progressing in skill much. And still even improving them, doesnt mean necesary you can compete with people that spent less time in GW2 but play other kind of games that need much more reflex and fast thinking.
That said, more time spent isnt equal to skills and in Liandri skills matter. Witch is what Anet wanted, and suceeded, maybe not perfectly, but yes they did it well.
Or better yet, never make another boss like this. Ever.
Come on, some people like me enjoy it, just dont make that kind of boss frequent or mandatory, because not all the players base can take it.
Why are people so focussed on beating Liadri anyway? All you get is a few AP and a mini. Most people seem to dump mini’s into their bank and forget about them.
The nature of some humans lol
Still yours the best post in the thread.
Oh we definitely need more gimmicky one shot bosses who completely ignore toughness and vitality. Because we all know zerker is the way to go in pve anyways.
She do normal atacks…
…and you will be killed due to the time limit even if you survive, cause you couldn’t dps her fast enough.
They removed the trinity to replace it with a single factor: dps.
I killed it with celestial gear in my mesmer, and the aoes not let my phantoms do much.
Oh we definitely need more gimmicky one shot bosses who completely ignore toughness and vitality. Because we all know zerker is the way to go in pve anyways.
She do normal atacks…
Well the fact is i on my 80 warrior bought all berserker RARE gear. I was doing Subject 7 with 4 gambits easy. Now i just farm tier 2 Charr. Similar profit. Not bad for Rare 80 gear but i would loved to have a mesmer to farm deadeye with 5 gambits.
Farm the norn with the dog (tier 3 thir fight), is the easier. Every meat is 2k more power lol, also is even easier without berserker because power means nothing if you can get 2k-14k power buffs lol.
You just found bad people, block them and continue your journey!
Everyone replying please go install Guild Wars and run Gates of Madness, Glint’s Challenge and Shards of Orr solo and then come back and tell me it was LOLeasy. I guarantee you will not.
I use these three missions as a gauge to tell me how difficult content is in GW2. Queen’s Gauntlet is at a level of difficulty much higher than those three. I am saying nerf the difficulty to be on par with them. Right now it is just mind-numbing frustration and annoyance. I am saying this after having reached Tier 3, Fight 1.
I have beated Liandri and it cant be called difficult if you compare it with other games, try Devil May Cry 3 in Hell to Hell difficulty.
If you said Queen Gauntleti is like the 3 content of GW1 you spoke combined or more difficult, and someone beated Liandri, then they know (by your logic) something much more difficult than that content, witch mean they dont need to go and play GW1 to come to respond you.
So that said it means your own argument against answers is ilogical and irrelevant to your own logic, case closed (in internet that doesnt exist even if something is axiomatic, theres someone posting the same ilogical thing over and over, or new ones comes lol).
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Lol i farm the 3 boss of tier 3, i hope they dont nerf my reward…
Pd: Make it stronger, its a piece of cake with gambits and all.
Deadeye 1hit is going through my guardian invunr elite skill, wall of reflection, and even dodge rolls. Is this normal? What am i supposed to do when he fires from the opposite end?
Bad timed rolls, but it go for reflection.
You can play the game but isnt mean you will receive the achivments easily. Normally you people try to stay away of WvW or pvp achivment, what will happen if they create one for monthly tournaments winners, you will ask them to quit it or people to play in a less skilled way?.
If you want the achivment earn it. The game has many parts and you can play it, it isnt against the manifesto.Perhaps you missed the part where I mentioned Gate of Madness, Glint’s Challenge, and Shards of Orr. Those are not cake walks in GW. Gate of Madness for example is “considered one of the hardest in the Nightfall campaign – due to large demon patrols, -15% healing effectiveness, chaos rifts that continually spawn foes, and battles with both the Undead Lich and Shiro Tagachi.”
Needless to say all three require lots of skill. Glint’s Challenge alone took 3 hours of trial and error to find the right build combination for myself and my heroes. I am asking Anet to nerf the content not because the content is difficult but because the content is MORE difficult than Gate of Madness, Glint’s Challenge, and Shards of Orr combined. If you’ve played GW you know how difficult those three are.
Witch is still not difficult enough to other kind of players, thats not difficult to understand. Theres games where you fight things that one shot you, and with normal atacks, they atack often, with a lot of different atacks, and atack in packs, and are much more difficult than Liandri.
Its just for a different type of player, if you cant go and do other part of the game, you want the achivment, earn it!.
Finished it at first day, Mesmer GS, Sword Focus.
I would just like to put the difficulty into perspective.
I thought the Gate of Madness mission in Nightfall was difficult. I thought Glint’s Challenge was difficult. I thought soloing Shards of Orr was difficult. Queen’s Gauntlet is more difficult than all three of these!
I don’t make this statement lightly.
There have been many games I played where the community has collectively asked the developer to nerf the difficulty (e.g. Ulduar [WOW], etc.) and they did. It was amazing how much more fun the content became AFTER the nerf.
Anet you should listen to the community. If most of us are asking you to nerf the difficulty, please listen to us. This is not going to diminish the value of Queen’s Jubilee. If anything it will enhance and make it more fun.
Lot of people has fun with Devil May Cry series Hell and Hell difficulty (if they hit you, you die and isnt a slow AoE or mobs mainly), and didnt have that fun with the other difficulties, its just a different player base for that difficulty, thing is it give you achivments too!. If someoen cant keep up with Queen Gauntlet, then isnt for him.
Queen gauntlet will come again so you can try it again.
Is highly probably you know this but: they created it to be difficult (witch aside of Liandri its not the case for my taste) and separeted the achivments from the Queen Jubile on porpouse.
All people can play the game, but not all the content is aimed to them, Queen Jubile is aimed for more skilled players, as tpvp is for pvp players; jumping puzles are for people that likes to jump, etc.
The only problem comes to the achivment racing people, because they want to be able to get all achivments, even if is painfull for them. Its a shame for all you people, but achivments are something you earn; and needing them and dont be able to get them doesnt mean you cant play the game, you can play it but some content isnt for you.
If you want to be able to be in the achivment race you need normally time for dailies and living story, other case you cant keep up (you earn them for your dedication to the game). So the achivment race excludes people with lack of time. This time around is diferent, it exclude people that arent skilled enough, since normally the achivment race people has a lot of time, some feel like isnt fair. Reality is simple: Rcing for achivments is a play style, but you cant expect all content to be nerfed or changed so you can get your achivments, is going against other players (like someone who lacks time asking for less content so he can keep up the living story achivments, because hes been discrimanting).
You can play the game but isnt mean you will receive the achivments easily. Normally you people try to stay away of WvW or pvp achivment, what will happen if they create one for monthly tournaments winners, you will ask them to quit it or people to play in a less skilled way?.
If you want the achivment earn it. The game has many parts and you can play it, it isnt against the manifesto.
you wanna know what i remember? i remember when you killed a challenging boss or monsters for no reward other than the fact that you could do it.
i also remember when people knew what was a challenge and not poor design.
Its a different kind of player than “normal” MMO people. Just think of it like players of games like Devil May Cry in the last difficulty (Hell and Hell), you dont get something special a side for the emotional reward; but in a game like diablo 2, you get principally loot.
The problem is that some people have points that arent objectives and convert anything that goes against what they believe or is their form of playing/thinking/etc. in this cant be, this is a hige mistake, etc; ignoring it has a different audience or principle in mind.
Ok first I keep getting interrupted for some random reason and none of them have interrupts, second if I attack the dog the norn destroys me if I attack the norn the dog destroys me? Any tips
Eat the meat the norn throw, it makes you stronger and if not the dog will get stronger and recover health. After 3 meates eaten you can take down them easily and get the extra achivment.
Thats not only for Liandri, it happens from time to time like 1/100 or 1/500, it debugg if you leave it the dome alone for a time lol.
I think im not casual player. But! I try about 100 times.
“First very big problem (and i think the ppls hate this!!) When u dead, u need going WP, and run back…. its very ….”
So Liadri.
3 Crystal its okay, its possible i can, just need training. But when u end phase 1. How u can kill when place 80% (everytime) aoe, 20% mesmers.Im Warrior. I use everything what i can. But i haven’t infinite dodge. (I use every endure regeneration spell, used mango pie for hp regen, and. (Endure Pain spell not work every time just i said, its bugged) So When i finsished phase 1, i can choose melee or ranger? Melee not work…..incoming dmg very big so i cant stay near the boss, so Ranged.. Whats the problem for gun? When u shot her u need “face to face”, but how? u need run around or u dead. I just can alive, but i cant kill her.
Arenanet show me video when Warrior did it. (Your testers maybe) Because i cant believe than its possible … I think i delete this game, this boss ………..
Or Players give me tips, i saw Youtube mesmer video, but i havent mesmer, so i cant do it..
Change the build for more vit and toughness, if you really think you can die for her damage without the regen food, and get stamina recovery food (40% extra). Its safer to kill slower and not be killed than let her in half life and got one shooted.
Change to bow is better for this.
I love it, one shotting means you cant fail, and i love it that way (and that it happens often). Also she do normal atacks.
One shot also means your build is unimportant. Why run something like toughness/vitality/condition damage if you are going to die regardless? It’s all zerk or nothing (also there’s the timer, to screw condition specs even more).
Because she also do normal atacks.
I love it, one shotting means you cant fail, and i love it that way (and that it happens often). Also she do normal atacks.
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Perphaps the people around you didnt like it, or you are bad noticing things, because other case this is a troll thread.
All my guildies (2 guilds) + my friends + me + al map chats that spoke of it+all the pugs wich i have talked about patchs, liked SAB as content, that includes people that hate JPs.
We like SAB, we want SAB and if theres not some huge fail: we will have SAB.
Yeah i am a SAB fan.
8/10 for the sylvari, i like the charr tribal amor.
My main (mesmer): I think the head sizes a litle too big lol
If you want balance, go play chess.
/problemsolved
Actually because of starting turn order there are strategies even in chess which work for one side but not the other.
I call that checkmate.
would most of you walk up to someone with a 8000USD suit and tell them to their face they suck in any aspect IRL because they have such(in the owner’s opinion because beauty is subjective) a nice shiny material object that it must have taken so much of their real life time to obtain it?
There is a HUGE difference between having a 800USD suit and suiting your computer game character with a 800USD suit. And it is there, where you start loosing respect.
so you leave this statement without extrapolating. mind explaining to me how you see a difference and how i lose respect?
(assume i’m dumb here so i need the explanation)
You dont (your money, your rules to spent it, if its legal of course lol).
Defense position:
Only thing i do is avoid legendary users (except for friends that got ones) because since release they are associated to farming, and farmers normally arent exactly the top of pro gaming. As stated before thats the only tag that in my gaming circle is associated to legendary, other case the skins look good lol.
Why i defended (for excluding me of this lol) :
And yeah theres a lot of hate in the thread.
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There will be an achievement for finding all hot air balloons in Tyria.
One of them will be somewhere in WvW. I’m calling it.
You won the thread lol.
Its balanced in my opinion, me and all the good players i know do any kind of content very good.
Ah yes. New, shiny, amazing, but when you read the fine print, next to impossible to get.
A cheap marketing gimmick. Is that all you’re good for anymore, Anet?
They are good for creating the upcoming arena.
Also, just to add, there are no NA low pop servers. Especially when you have ghe event API gw2stuff.commthese events are always swarming with guests.
Proxy, have you tried since achievements gave rewards? Do you have any clue how many people are trying to “go to low pop server and spam aoe”???
It needs a fix, stop standing up for broken content. So many apologists around here.
It isnt broken lol, you will get it eventually.
Pd: last week i saw the boss at top hour, was with my engi doing that area, entered the fight and got one cristal lol.Because is difficult (it take time in this case) it doesnt mean is broken or its not planificated.
If I can’t do it with ranger in a few dozen tries then it’s broken IMHO. I have exactly zero crystals so far. Yes I stand in front of paw when he raises it, one time I messed up and got too close and ended up getting crystalized.
Are you EU or NA? Because NA is always slammed, every server, every time I play. Why does an achievement have to depend on guesting to a low pop server in middle of NA night. Why is it so hard to ask for a health buff for the crystals?
For the love of god, everything else in pve has 100k health or more. Giant awful health pools. But the crystals? Nope! They have 1 health point.
NA, actually the 1 health point make it think it was plannificated: example if it has 3000k and somone can take it in one hit he will hit without waiting “right time”, if hes a low level that is leveling in the zone and saw an incredible dragon (that nearly doesnt move lol) tried to kill it and want the achivment, he needs to wait for the “right moment” to get the cristal “kill” or atak several times hoping he is in the “right moment”.
Btw if someone dont get cristalized theres not achivment, so if someone dont mess up like you did, is probably imposible to get it!, of course it happens, but its rare and thats the point lol, its not like people actually ask for it lol
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Also, just to add, there are no NA low pop servers. Especially when you have ghe event API gw2stuff.commthese events are always swarming with guests.
Proxy, have you tried since achievements gave rewards? Do you have any clue how many people are trying to “go to low pop server and spam aoe”???
It needs a fix, stop standing up for broken content. So many apologists around here.
It isnt broken lol, you will get it eventually.
Pd: last week i saw the boss at top hour, was with my engi doing that area, entered the fight and got one cristal lol.
Because is difficult (it take time in this case) it doesnt mean is broken or its not planificated.
Variety of broken dungeons.. Variety of competent friends who already did that dungeon thus not interested in joining you for a particular dungeon.. Variety of incompetent pugs who don’t know anything and aren’t geared properly.. I cant wait for the endless varieties!
You alredy have that, the new system is good for the people that enjoy doing different dungeons, not the ones that only do that for gold.
On other side if this system was created at release time i will have like 50k gold right now lol.
I like the thank you part, and the part the dev explain to the complainers the bank feature return isnt a option. Wait… that make me wonder why people still complain for it asking for it been changed… you arent reading the moderator post lol
Fuunn.
Specifically i like fantasy settings ande i dont get them in real life lol.
Also i like to beat bosses and people in pvp, and the story, and jumping, and the minigames, etc lol.
This achievement seriously needs to be scrapped now, since it is all but impossible to achieve. There are literally hundreds of players spamming aoe at every Shatterer event now, and only 5 (!) players get encased in crystal per event, with the crystals shattering in 1 hit. Just shattering one crystal is like winning the lottery, and you have to shatter 5 for the achievement. Just a tad ridiculous. I say either buff the amount of players encased in crystals MASSIVELY, or change the achievement.
Why you people dont complain the WvW achivments are too difficult to get (i think they are ok in the time they take), same with spvp; i mean i read every " i want to farm my achivment points easy" post and you people ignore all the achivments that take really long time lol. Is like if you dont read the pvp tag you expect it to be nearly automaticly received…
Disclaimer: Shaterer take normally some time because not always you get the cristalized players…
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