Guild Wars 2

Another bump for SoS!

Had a lot of great fights vs FA in EB roaming tonight
Esp a mesmer from VK or something?

Ill answer your questions
1) They do fine in Zergs. Dont bring a lot of utility, but bring water fields. Can also melee train with warriors/gaurds just fine. Also have access to traps if u want do that, which gives lots of fields.
2) Id say they are on par for the best roaming class. 1v1 at ease, 1v2/1v3 with proper skill usage and pratice.
3) They have amazing mobility. Sword has 2 evades, 1 movement ability. dagger has an evade and a cripple. GS has 1200 range jump, an evasion, a block, a knockback, and an interrupt. Warhorn gives swiftness. Axe can chill. Shortbow has a jump back. Longbow has a knockback. As well as the traps, and pets. The Mitigation is from evasions and a bit of armor. Theyre not as nimble as a thief, but can also take considerably more beating than a thief.
4) They really give nothing in a 15v15 GvG situation. Your SoL here. But you have ele for that.
5) Theyre not “better” than a thief, but rather the same with more options. Can also collect a billion bags with piercing arrow.

Would love to see this expanded to having more specs. Like bunker ranger!

Moh Jay.7240:

Toxic.4320:

Moh Jay.7240:

Bored again and this thread is looking dead soooooooooooo… How about that new Breaking Bad episode?

Bored? Maybe if you guys didn’t roll out in such big zergs vs 10 people or havok groups we’d have more on our maps.

The really sad thing is that even though we have virtually no presence on the maps CD is gaining points on the MOS site.

You’re not the only one who hates the blob, in fact, that’s what is making me slowly get bored of WvW. The blob makes servers not even want to try which in turn makes roaming boring as hell because it’s a wasteland.

What if they implemented a 1% slow for every ally person near you (range 5000?) over 20? Seems like a decent way to split up zergs, while allowing them to rally up for attacking objectives in large numbers.

Azure.8670:

Sami.7923:

Im sorry but theres simply no love for this weapon. Every other GS weapon for other classes are awesome, many people use the GS as their main like guardian, war or mes. They all have powerful skills. We have swoop and maul as our best and they really arent that spectacular. Id much rather spawn some dude thats gonna fight for me and do INSANE damage, Id much rather do 100b that hits for 3 times the dmg of maul, and Id much rather spin around in huge AOE immbolizing my enemies. but no, I have to land mauls, mauls that take a good about of time to hit the ground and give me vuln. Nice vuln there hmm what do I follow that up with? Oh some weak gs 1 chain? Some weak swoop? Some non-existant dmg super short-range hilt bash? I guess ill stop for a second before I throw my sword at them. When I switch to gs they chain all the moves in 4 seconds and then for the next 6 I am are slowly swinging around doing pitful 400 dmgs and lucky to get some evades in while my opponent is enjoying the nice breeze I am providing.

Two things. First, the GS is a defensive weapon for the Ranger. It helps you survive while your other weapon does damage. Its an amazing weapon. Secondly, Mesmer SUCKS with the GS especially in wvw/pvp. Its a horrible weapon. The Rangers GS is like the Mesmer Staff, its for defense and set ups. not disrespecting your skill, youre just not using the weapon right at all

A lot of our weapons are defensive, honestly. We’re a class of attrition and pet utilization, imo.
But this guy here doesnt want it that way. He wants it to be full zerker LET ME SEE NUMBARS.

Sami.7923:

Most rangers are not fine with GS which is why youll hardly ever see a power focused GS ranger. The other options for melee is SWORD and DAGGER which is I use on swap oh and Axe offhand if you like standing in place while being obvious.. You are not forced to post here either but you just enjoy polite trolling me. Very big pro you are plz teach classes or something. I have a warrior and a necro but AS I SAID BEFORE I play ranger because its the ONLY class that can use GS and wear medium armor. Whats wrong with you? are you a gs ranger? yes? how could you not want a buff? No? mad spirit ranger? f off.

I roam wvw using S/D or S/W and GS. I dont use spirits. Im not trolling, i simply see nothing wrong with the GS and it fits nicely into my play. I win far more often than i lose, and no, i dont have Ascended gear. Only one piece. I started 3 weeks ago.
The only buffs i’d like to see to rangers:
1) GS #2 a blast finisher, to make us more desirable in a melee train/gvg situation.
2) Pets take 50% reduced dmg from AoE in dungeons. Maybe even in all of the game, and nerf its base HP pool if that was the case.

Sami.7923:

ppl can say counterattack is great but Id much rather have it do something else. Anyone who duels knows exactly whats going to happen when they go to attk u while ur holding ur sword up in the air. “you have to time it correctly blah blah blah” no. its just not that great. the KD kick is the best thing about it but half the time it will miss if the enemy is moving. If you could use the KD on command instead of crippling throw it would be way better. Your problem is you think I am some noob with this weapon but I assure you its not the case. I just dont want to force myself to use a weapon that in undeniably underpowered. The sword easily out dpses it and the chain is even better. 1 sec evade on every third attack? Yeah a chain that takes 3 seconds to complete for a chance to evade isnt that great when compared to 400 range kicks that cripple and give might to ur pet and much attacks faster for nearly the same dmg(give or take 10-20. really? freaking pathetic).

Thats just the thing. YOU’D rather have something else. Most rangers are fine with GS, and dont post here.
Only the vocal, angry ones really post here.
I never said you were bad. There are other options for melee, youre not FORCED to use the GS. Youre also not FORCED to play this class. As you said above, there are 3 other options for GS users.
You seem unhappy with the ranger in general. So try something else

etrigan.4213:

Waffler.1257:

This pretty much sums up my experience solo roaming this weekend. Maybe next week…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFKgiMwwcC0

If you want 1vs1’s go behind the windmill or go to spvp solo queue.

This is WvW, most players are specced for group play.

Your necro hits like a wet noodle. So does mine, but yah…lol

Or practice till u can 2v1 and roam.

Sami.7923:

@ malpcractice I actually have seen that video and ones like but its nothing special. Hes just in wvw bunkering down using cleric gear with prob ascended gear picking on those who have less then him. Hes simply outlasting his opponents using rangers excellent healing through regen but the thing is a Cond spirit ranger in shamans(apothecarys) can and does do it way better. I used to run a build which was just like that long before I saw that video, it was obvious. But the thing was I didnt need the GS, in fact it hampered me bcuz when u switch to it you do no conds and its dmg isnt enuff to deal a sufficient amount outside critting or getting attack of opportunity with maul. Go to any duel server in spvp and you will never see a ranger with GS aside from me. And no from what Ive heard and seen ESO is actually copying the gw 2 engine, its both first and third person, you can switch between the two.

You realize hes utilizing the strengths of his GS, right? The utility. Not the damage. His pet is doing more damage than him.
That insane regen would be nothing if it wasnt for the damage mitigation provided from our evades, blocks, and interrupts.

Stop chopps! Everyone posting here thinks ranger is terrible and not viable, instead of learning the class and trying things.
Lets not try to stop the crying.

Sami.7923:

Im sorry but theres simply no love for this weapon. Every other GS weapon for other classes are awesome, many people use the GS as their main like guardian, war or mes. They all have powerful skills. We have swoop and maul as our best and they really arent that spectacular. Id much rather spawn some dude thats gonna fight for me and do INSANE damage, Id much rather do 100b that hits for 3 times the dmg of maul, and Id much rather spin around in huge AOE immbolizing my enemies. but no, I have to land mauls, mauls that take a good about of time to hit the ground and give me vuln. Nice vuln there hmm what do I follow that up with? Oh some weak gs 1 chain? Some weak swoop? Some non-existant dmg super short-range hilt bash? I guess ill stop for a second before I throw my sword at them. When I switch to gs they chain all the moves in 4 seconds and then for the next 6 I am are slowly swinging around doing pitful 400 dmgs and lucky to get some evades in while my opponent is enjoying the nice breeze I am providing.

1) You dont have to stop to throw your sword. They changed that last patch
2) GS has an evade every 3 hits, a knockback, 2 interrupts, and a block.
3) Provides opening strike to your pet. You can say OMG PET AI SUCKS, really, thats on you. You have the traits to increase its speed, abilities to do the same, and a plethora of abilities to slow enemies down to provide your pet the support it needs. You can control it as well.
4) “I use all the moves in 4 seconds” Youre doing it wrong. #5 is a counter, as is #4. You need to utilize them well with your endurance, lightning reflex timers to optimize this. in those 4s, youre never dodging or using other skills? Do you just lay your face across 12345 and hope for the best? This class is about finesse and timing. I can direct you to the warrior forums, if youd rather do that.

Its just terrible. I have no idea how anyone does it well.
lol Honestly elder scrolls is a different game entirely, its first person.
Good luck in a different game if you cant find the strengths in GS

Castaliea.3156:

johnIV.3849:

So I got my ranger to level 21, and I have to say I am enjoying it. Anyways I have been reading some on the ranger forum, and all I hear is ranger is bad.

Is this true? For WvW and endgame dungeons. Should I just roll a warrior or thief. I really liked the idea of being in leather armor with a giant great sword. But if I will be useless/not up to par then whats the point.

Thanks for your feedback.

Ranger’s are viable in everything and if you really enjoy the class stick with it.
That being said…
If however you get into serious WvW, GvG, newly designed “challenging content”, or most Dungeon PUGs people will simply not want you. The Ranger may be viable in all game types but it is not optimal in a few of them for some very core reasons which do not seem like they’ll be addressed anytime soon and in more serious play if it isn’t optimal it isn’t worth bringing.

There are people on both sides of the fence. Some will tell you it’s an amazing class and is amazing all the time (which is false) and some will tell you its terrible all the time and never worth using (which is also false).

TL;DR
- If you want to get into more serious group play I would sadly suggest another character.
- If you really like being a casual Ranger and are willing to put yourself and your team through the increasingly inevitability your entire profession mechanic will be useless a majority of the time then stick with it.

The following thread is a very well written post about some of those “core reasons” I mentioned earlier if you wanted to read more.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Challenging-PvE-Content-vs-Ranger-Mechanics/first#post2564017

Wrong.
Ive never been removed from a PUG group, ever. I do fractals in pugs.
Ive finished the new “challenging content”
Im a frequent, and followed, commander in WvW, as a ranger. Sometimes i go melee trap (hilariously fun), others pure melee PVT (which i nearly never die), and sometimes a ranged zerker. I even go roaming, which i dominate in.

Not optimal? We actually are, but most people are hung up on OMG ITS A BEAR GTFO

We have: Aoe condition clearing,
5 combo fields (Ice is very important)
PERMANENT AoE regen and swiftness.
4 different ways to apply cripple (that i can think of on the top of my head, in 2 seconds, im sure there is more) (important since it isnt stopped by stability)
Nearly permanent AoE Fury/might, whichever you prefer.
Permanent Protection
All the benefits of Spirits

Good, not the best, DPS (aoe/condition/burst, take your pick)
Amazing amounts of control w/traps and evades

I have a blast on my ranger. I have a 80 guard, and 3 other characters level ~40-50. I cant even have fun on them xD

People on the forums are all grim and OH GOD WHY ME WHYD I PICK THE RANGER?
But really, a majority of the people who play Gw2 (and even in society in general) only speak up if its something they dont like. So, 90% of rangers arent on the forums complaining— Rather, theyre in the game playing and figuring out ways around a few “weak points”.

The ONLY thing youre not good at is Guild vs Guild. Well, youre good, but not optimal there.

Id say stick with ranger. Its amazingly fun, strong, with a ton of variety.

Edit: Im even thinking of leveling another ranger for different looks

Plz do this!!!!

lordkrall.7241:

Because it will require quite a bit of work from ArenaNets part, which we would rather have put into something useful?

Making money is useful.
I would also like a race change option.

Yea. vH is.
We need more guilds on SoS :/ we dont have enough players. We fight as best we can, but we’re almost always outmanned 2 to 1. Its a bit ridic.

PvE buff patch made everyone farm, which makes it worse.

Transferred here 2 weeks ago; joined fang. Theyve helped me get my gear, and have a blast in wvw

Abokittenely love it on this server!

neonreaper.4805:

My time on SoSBL was short. I dunno who Fang is but they were like BuTa on JQ – one engi just ran for the safety of Sunnyhill instead of going 1v1. Just please I’ve had enough of that from JQ On comms there was definitely recognition of SoS giving good fights. Given what SoS did last time, it’s nice to see.

CD just didn’t have numbers and I imagine this just sucks for them.

Then it was EB train, and that went how you’d expect. SoS had some nice little tactics, and numbers.

Think I’m gonna try to roam a bit (and I’m awful so enjoy the free kills) this week. An easy week to get sloppy in, so time to go get some bruises instead.

On a positive note, ill be trying builds and roaming tomorrow all day
Not a engi, but in fang.

I can say, though, that when we’re out in full force theres usually a man at each post for scouting. Theyre not supposed to engage in 1v1 when theyre posted at a tower :/ As much as many of us would like to, there are bigger objectives at hand and can do that stuff later

zeus.9634:

a bunker ranger works very well in 1vx but you have to spec into beastmastery and let your pet do most of the damage. you as ranger just apply conditions and do the other shenanigans.
im using a bunker beastmaster myself and enjoyed it alot. youll be able to kill most of the players.. i usually only have troubles with d/d eles (few good ones kill me the rest just runs away when they notice they lose and u cant catch up) and some mesmers.

the only downside is that some fights can take really long, especially against other ranger or guardian bunkers, but if noone else interferes you can have really cool and fun long lasting duels

for escaping im using the great sword which provides a very nice leap, and together with our nice speed buffs (and if needed rampage as one) its mostly pretty easy to even run away from zergs.

Heres an example of what this guys saying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfEWpvAlu68

I think90% rating. Theyre fun in all aspects. Great in spvp/roaming. Good, but not great, in zergs. Dungeon is great when pets alive.

Only fixes id do:
Make pets take 50% Aoe dmg, to helpin dungeons/zerg, but lower hp by 10% or something.
And make GS #2 a blast finisher.

Funny how everyone whines instead of finds solutions.
QQ Rangers bad. QQ necro too good.
Why bring more than 1 ranger to Tpvp?

Then a team does it, and kitten s. now its GG NERF RANGERS LOLOL THEY OP FOR 7 DAYS SO FAR OMGGG ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLAY.

Havent looked at it thoroughly yet, just read over quickly.
The condition clear is meh, u can do the -condition duration% food!

Atherakhia.4086:

rumm.1932:

Not a direct ranger change but a buff to Valkyrie remorseless builds.

The rune of exuberance is vitality based the 2 piece is 3% of your vitality is converted to healing power, 4 piece is 3% of your vitaly is converted to precision 6 piece is 3% of your vitality is converted to power.

With the new rune set could Valkyrie builds could become more popular?

I would think more people would prefer the toughness of knights/cavalier over valkyrie. That’s the case for me anyway.

I prefer a mix. Im like 1/4 zerk, 1/2 knight, 1/4 valk when i roll in zergs! makes for a great balance. Like 75% the dmg of full zerk, but far more tankiness

Kagato.4061:

Still have another 4 days of being ridiculously outnumbered ahead of us, oh joy. Dragonbrand, I love you and all, but it’s no fun fighting you when you just outnumber us 2 to 1, maybe even 3 to 1 in some cases. I hope we drop out of this tier this week, because we just can’t compete.

Idk what server you are, but if youre on SoS gtfo.
SoS had queues in our BL and EB today. We need better coordination. We CAN compete. anyone CAN compete. Its a matter of if the players WANT to compete.

Look at us in SoS BL today. Maybe they had more people in a giant hammer of a zerg, but we had better roaming to take a few camps, and had some amazingly fun fights all night long in our BL.

Its really fun when you ARE outnumbered, and you find ways to beat the zerg, which there is always a way with superior leadership and coordination. You dont need numbers to win. You need perseverance and a plan.

Miyu.8137:

Ranger is realy bad class for zerging for various reason buy mainly cause the half of you (read pet) is totally useless in zerg fights. Any other class can perform better.

However ranger is pretty good roaming class.

Honestly, i just got done playing WvW for like 8 hours. I got 300 badges in SoS Borderland. U have decent aoe (whether u go trap and roam in the stacked group, or piercing shot and barrage)
You have a lot of survival techniques and evades.
You roam on par with the best to form the holy trinity of roamers.
Spirit builds are great if you can learn to position yourself right. No one else brings those buffs.
Water field #1.

And its hella fun.

kitten, I even roll deep in melee of zergs from time to time with sentinal gear and ignore the pet except to give me 6s of invuln.

Furthermore, when youre in a zerg, try using the pets that give buffs on passive.

wolf.1895:

Great fights tonight. Shout out to the guilds involved in the fights at Bay on SoS BL, I pooped my pants once or twice.

Agg, Fang, GoMT, BANE i believe were the core 4.

Calvin.5380:

Saruon.4085:

Here is some footage of our GvG tonight with qT!

/salute

D/D Ele PoV:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rj9AL5Stpw

Love the way you play that Ele. Respect.

No joke. makes me actually wanna make one xD

MarauderKing.4572:

Luvpie.8350:

EAT… nice moves. It was sorta fun leading the fight against you & FIRE on SoS bl. See you all tomorrow.

I actually popped in to say that we all really enjoyed the fights with SOS on SOS BL today. You guys got mad props from us over Teamspeak. You guys kept bringing the pressure! Lot’s of great open field and tower/keep defense battles!

It was great. I was there the entire time. The fights at the N Camp O.O
U guys had SOOOOOO many necro ha ha

Cuchullain.3104:

This comment from someone on my server in WvW says it all. You will never hear a comment like this about thieves or mesmers.

Im in fang, and im a ranger xD

MagiKarp.8201:

NA – 1. SoR, 2. BG, 3. TC, 4. JQ/DB
Oceanic – 1. BG/SoR 2. ?
SEA – 1. BG 2. SoR/JQ 2. DB 3. TC
EU – 1. SoR 2. BG 3. ?

Note: Oceanic AND SEA are two different time zones and should not be considered the same. BG has the biggest SEA at the moment, but SoR’s Oceanic is the same size as BG’s which is still very small in consideration to numbers present in all other time zones, probably the most stressful time zone for all servers.

SoS deserves to be mentioned in Oceanic.
The thing is; SEA is > Oceanic, since SEA stays up about 2-4 hours later. Then its up to EU (which is low on most servers) which means it stays that way for the longest.. IMO.

What do each do in wvw situations, though?

Sorry if this is the wrong forum.
I love WvW, and im new. Both classes are level 40, but i really cant decide which would be better to finish leveling?

What are the pros/cons/“niche” role of each in wvw? (both in Zerg and roaming)

I would really appreciate the info <3

Im not saying were vital; but i wouldnt dissuade someone NOT to play a ranger due to we’re useless. We’re not optimal for a part, but we can do many things pretty well.

I play the ranger most because i find it the most fun :/ Which at the end of the day, is the most important thing.

MMOs have frequent shifts in class balance. Where the ranger is today could be something different in 3 months.

Substance E.4852:

Atherakhia.4086:

Someone has to arm the arrow carts.

Seriously though… go ask on the WvW forums for anyone to list the classes in order from most to least useful. You will always find Rangers as #7 and Thieves as #8. This class is awful. It brings the greatest water field in the game and that’s apparently enough.

Thieves have 3 blast finishers and group stealth that can make portal bombing much much easier. Ranger is easily #8 by a margin.

Most forget rangers have a ton of fields they can lay down, and can maintain HP nearly as well as a guardian if traited right (melee, tank, and ignoring the pet for more survivability)

You have access to
Fire (2 ways)
Water (a great one)
Ice (only 2 other classes can do this, Engis is a elite)
And a lot of poisons.

Also, they have the ability to almost permanently give everyone swiftness, and regenerations. As well as providing Fury/Might about 50% uptime.

Furthermore, with proper pet usage, you can give perma fury or do many other things (utilizing the moa, various pets with aoe buffs)

Smoke/Water/Ethereal when under water

Theyre also excellent at stalling and slowing enemy movements with barrage, and on par for the best scouts in the game (imho)

Their “zerg” ability is either tanking or support. YOull never see the aoe numbers of a ele, but you can put up respectable numbers WHILE crippling. Youre more a support for the zerg, rather than the hammer.

Loki.4139:

Good battles in SoS BL. First time actually commanding in a while since my small break. Glad to be back ^.^

I think it was [TS]. You guys are good! Keep up good fights

We have a few standout guilds that pay attention and fight well.
The problem, i see, is that we need to organize the militia/not give up when people dont listen in 10 minutes.
Often times our commanders are just that — commanders. And not the leaders we need them to be.

Zenith.7301:

In zerkers for zerg you’ve probably looked at axe/axe+longbow, since your only power based aoe is a 25 sec cd barrage that tickles for 1-1.2k crits in full berserker (ele just blow it out of the water, as do necro and melee cleave) and kills you with retal.

Then you’ve got axe auto for aoe at 3 target cap. Ranger has terrible aoe options, you can go for traps but that’s not sustained aoe due to the cooldowns, if you go for aoe conditions engineers and necros do it much better without having to sacrifice so many utilities and go into a prec/crit traitline for specializing in aoe conditions, and ranger traps due to pulses are very susceptible to retal damage just like ranger longbow.

And if you’re looking at aoe zergs the ranger is useless anyway. The pet will be dead in a few seconds, losing 30-40% of your potential damage, and eles and necros and engineers bring much better aoe in addition to utility.

We do have piercing arrow, which does decent dmg.
You just paint a really bleak picture on Rangers in wvw

Can the bunker/tank style ranger maintain in the front lines with all the boon uptime and healing from guards and warriors with you?

Fomby.4295:

You know…. I wrote 2 paragraphs talking about how berserker builds aren’t terrible. But then I got to the point where I was defending it in 1v1 scenarios and lost heart. Because it really does lack either survivability or burst. One or the other should be buffed.

I know its unrelated, mostly, but wouldnt Zerkers > Condi for zerg in wvw?

Id like to run a GS/LB style build, with decent direct damage (crits/power) in WvW.
Should i run a mix of Knights and Berserkers? If so, what is the “Optimal” pieces for each?

Currently, my first set of gear was bunker-style Cleric.

Id like to be “decently tanky” with the ability to do some decent enough damage that i dont feel like im worthless when running with a zerg, but tanky enough to survive small engagements…

Any help would be appreciated!

Dukenikum.3982:

>Mal
Yeah i should use 5 more is very useful. I don’t use my pets very well in battle but the Jags stealth for the opening hit is useful and the Wolf’s howl when you go down early can be a life saver.

>Aeri
I questioned using the spirit also but from what i read about it is required to do best damage(might be wrong on that) since the trait Vigorous Spirits will boost spirits 35% and the Frost Spirit gives 35% chance for 10% bonus damage it really has 70% chance. Not to sure on its max range or how to see the difference in battle.

About the 5% range i think you are kinda right. But which would really be better the Beastmaster Bond or Might i’m thinking Might but my pet does get killed often making Bond kinda useful. And also the Piercing Arrows i did use but with this build i seem to be favoring the GS more now.\

As for dungeons it works well on many but a few where you must hold capture points can be a challenge with its low defense.

What about swapping GS for Sword/Warhorn?
You have great damage with your #1, a disengage with #2 + Swap to LB → Hit #4 → Rapid fire / Hunters shot.

Also gives you a poison, good sustained dmg, and some buffs.
And 2 evades

Enjoyed the vid! Wish it was longer to show more, or even show you in dueling situations vs tanky characters and condition based people.
Also, a tip would be to use GS #5 more. You rarely use it. It has an amazing animation, and its an interrupt.
Use your Pet skills more. And have a pet with CC for when youre chasing!

I just transferred, fit right in with fang. VERY friendly and fun group

Quarktastic.1027:

Atherakhia.4086:

I’m on the opposite side of Fjandi. Power builds for Rangers are awful. They still have no group utility. They still have no ranged burst. Melee is still reliant on evade spam in order to function as well as it does.

The ranger continues to be a condition class, but the worst condition class in the game.

Both bows continue to be the worst weapon options for the class.

So, spotter, spirits, and healing spring don’t count as group utility? Outside of warriors and HGH engineers, I can’t think of that many classes that have a really solid ranged burst. Going melee shouldn’t require you to spam evades to be effective? Someone should go tell thieves and mesmers they’re doing it wrong.

As for the worst condition class, they’re certainly behind necros, maybe slightly behind engineers, but hitting the bleeding cap in less than 4 seconds is an awesome sight.

I dont think we’re bad, however i dont think we’re good at conditions. We have one condition, basically. Just saying. :p

plzzzz let us change races

I mean, atm i use GS/Longbow. But ive also used axe/warhorn, sword/torch, sword/warhorn.. :p
Im pretty leniant on which weapons i use, or the build. I guess im looking for
“If you go with X style (condition, for example) youll excel vs XXXX and at roaming/dungeons/zerging etc… HOWEVER youll get crushed by XXXX/Wont fair so well doing this” kind of thing?
I rushed 80 in a week upon reinstalling lol

1st, why are you using a bear? its a tank pet. Low dmg, little buffs. At least a moa gives Fury and whatnot.

2nd; Why are you not leaving it on passive, or stowing pets between combat? It takes you 1 keystroke to do either. Stowing is always safer.

3rd why are people immature for wanting you not in blues? Its like 2gold to get all rare at 80… I had almost all rare all the way lvling…

Quit feeding to the mentality that rangers are kittened. Break the mold. Be intelligent, play smart. Youll not get kicked then.

I just hit 80 as a ranger. I love to WvW, and sometimes do Dungeons.
Can someone help weigh out the options (pros/cons) of the following?

Power/Crit style.
Healing/Toughness (bunker build, melee)
Condition

Trying to figure out what the best route is for my first exotic set.

felixdacat.3804:

^

I run a power build in WvW with all ascended trinkets, and believe me I would love to see the power scaling changed… but if you like what you’re running now then go ahead and get the trinkets to max it out.

im afraid to buy mine, since i just started, and only have like 30 laurels. I would think clerics trinkets for the bunker build is good, but im sure the zerker style ones are prob better in the long run…
Not sure, though

Kjeldoran.3849:

Leo G.4501:

Kjeldoran.3849:

i’m saying all that only because these situations have happened to me plenty of times
the only way to get more benefits from TU than HAO is that you use it at fight start while under massive attack…

Wrong. Ranger has far too many “can’t touch me” skills to think you can only use it before taking much damage. It’s more a factor of skill than necessity. If you can evade 2 or more attacks while Troll’s up, that’s easily 1600hp which stacks well if you have any other regen.

Like I said, it’s preference. But on its face, Troll’s heals more than HaO, by numbers and I’d choose it as it’s my preferred heal. But this is off topic, isn’t it.

Kjeldoran.3849:

yes, you are right i forget to say that also TU heals pet but the point is:

• istant heal vs over time heal

but there are many problems with over time heals:
1- if you use it at fight beginning probably (if you do all right) you get overheal and so waste hp per second

as i said if you avoid every attack you get overheal… and this is a waste of heal per sec the only way to get more benefits from TU is to use is while under attack so you can use it all… it’s a lot different from HAO because you can use it in every situation. Also that simply calculation shows you how little is the difference of heal:

8560:25 = x:20
x= 6848 hp every 20 sec
HaO = 6520 hp every 20 sec
so the difference is 228hp but while the first one is over time the second is istant.

TU helps maintain HP during conditions far better, as well. Dont forget, in that 25 seconds we’re talking about, youll be casting TU for 1s, and HaO for ~1.5-1.6s

Also, if using Dwayna, you also get regen procced 25% more often.

saiyr.3071:

PredatoR.5247:

saiyr.3071:

Is BANE (or any SoS guild besides Agg since we already talk to them) interested in GvG this week?

appearantly our good friends [vH] from back in JQ are transfering on thursday.

You can maybe gvg then?

lol wat got tired of Kaineng already? They didn’t have enough people last time we saw them unfortunately

Wait, theyre coming to SoS? ANother NA guild?