Guild Wars 2

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

Marthkus.4615:

DonQuack.9025:

Except you can screenshot the names and type it manually into the block window and have absolutely NO interaction.

Admit it you join to take down the lfg when you and make them get the bug.

ADMIT IT

Actually I only go for those alone in que so I know which one put that LFG. It doesn’t take down their group and I am gone in 4 clicks.
For littler interaction for me than staring at their name.

Actually, people who end up being alone in a group end up with their lfg taken down because the group counts as disbanded.
Could just well write down the names.
Stop trying to justify this, you can’t. lol

Ah, I did not know that.
Yet I feel not the slightest bit guilty.

Hmmmm I’ll think on this.

Shinji.2063:

Marthkus.4615:

Ashen.2907:

Marthkus.4615:

It should be obvious that I join/block/leave to assure I interact as little as possible with those people.

You purposefully interfere with others’ attempts to form their groups, something that impacts you not at all since they are not actively messaging you to join.

You are actively choosing to interact with them (joining their groups) in order to avoid interacting with them despite the fact that they are actively attempting to avoid interacting with you (by advertising the nature of the group so that you know to not join).

I do not wish to ever interact them. In any aspect of the game. In any group. ever. Gear pings, no x class, “no scrubs”, and other such nonsense come from people I wish to not interact with. That sort of “fun” does not mark one a pleasant person.

Just from your tone it seems like you are not a pleasant person yourself, doing these groups a favor it sounds like since i would not want to play with your negative attitude

I’m glad you see the mutual benefit.

DonQuack.9025:

Except you can screenshot the names and type it manually into the block window and have absolutely NO interaction.

Admit it you join to take down the lfg when you and make them get the bug.

ADMIT IT

Actually I only go for those alone in que so I know which one put that LFG. It doesn’t take down their group and I am gone in 4 clicks.
Far littler interaction for me than staring at their name.

Ashen.2907:

Marthkus.4615:

It should be obvious that I join/block/leave to assure I interact as little as possible with those people.

You purposefully interfere with others’ attempts to form their groups, something that impacts you not at all since they are not actively messaging you to join.

You are actively choosing to interact with them (joining their groups) in order to avoid interacting with them despite the fact that they are actively attempting to avoid interacting with you (by advertising the nature of the group so that you know to not join).

I do not wish to ever interact them. In any aspect of the game. In any group. ever. Gear pings, no x class, “no scrubs”, and other such nonsense come from people I wish to not interact with. That sort of “fun” does not mark one a pleasant person.

It should be obvious that I join/block/leave to assure I interact as little as possible with those people.

Ashen.2907:

Marthkus.4615:

I can say putting “no rangers” in LFG is toxic

And one can say that it is toxic to call others toxic for choosing to play as they see fit with others of similar taste.

Telling other people there CLASS choice was wrong is toxic. It’s both unfair and shows an incorrect understanding of the game.

And I say that with a full Zoja’s meta warrior as my PvE main.

This thread was all the proof I needed to agree with OP. Not only are many people here toxic, but they also do not read , construct strawmen, replace random words of the argument they are responding too (Wtf is up with people replacing ‘class’ with ‘build’ and vice versa? Those are very different things)

I can say putting “no rangers” in LFG is toxic and be interpreted as saying “don’t ask for zerker only you racist”.

Brostrodon.1657:

Hi guys,

I have a simple question today. what do you guys think the meta is right now? is it still Zerker? With the latest builds I find myself moving away from zerker with most of my characters. what are your thoughts?

I feel some classes like War were pushed further towards Zerk, others are more geared towards condi or celi.

Zerk elitist will be erroneously entrenched into thinking Zerk is best for everything. Try coming at your class with a clear head and then determine what actually works best.

Aberrant.6749:

Marthkus.4615:

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

Marthkus.4615:

You don’t get to just ban classes regardless of LFG entry. Its why zerk pugs are seen as people of questionable character.

Oh? Why CAN’T I ban classes based on my LFG entry? Why are YOU entitled to come and ruin MY experience and the experience of others who want to play my way by not reading the LFG?

This is why non-reading leeches are seen as people of questionable character.

How dare people be intolerant of my intolerance! <- You

You’re not asking for tolerance by joining a speed run as a non-speed runner. You’re demanding to be accepted into that community without adhering to the rules of that community. They already tolerate your casual runs by not trying to get your type of party banned.

These threads always sounds like 2 kids fighting in the back of a car.

Just stay on your side or I swear to dwayna I’ll turn this kitten car around right now.

If you think certain classes can’t speed run then you not only lack understanding of game, you are being a terrible player for any community/meta/pug/guild/run.

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

Marthkus.4615:

You don’t get to just ban classes regardless of LFG entry. Its why zerk pugs are seen as people of questionable character.

Oh? Why CAN’T I ban classes based on my LFG entry? Why are YOU entitled to come and ruin MY experience and the experience of others who want to play my way by not reading the LFG?

This is why non-reading leeches are seen as people of questionable character.

How dare people be intolerant of my intolerance! <- You

unlucky.9285:

Marthkus.4615:

Xaragon.3520:

All I would like them to do is come into the thread and advise us on how the want the necro to play- so we can tailor our suggestions to suit and when they will work on the changes.

Some feedback is better then none.

That would be good, but you have heard it. They want us to play like horror movie monsters. Slow, lumbering, inevitable agents of doom. Not Immune to CC but shrug off the attacks.

Many people want to play necro ultra-glass. Which just does not work. We have good traits that boost our damage with tank-y-ness. We don’t have good means for glass builds to scale even higher damage without buffing the tanky-bruiser damage. All of our might stacking is easily done in Pvt or Celi.

I think desiring that ANET actually make glass viable for necros is a proper request, but at the same time I think ANET is trying to move away from the zerker meta by making zerker unnecessary to do tons of damage.

this is all well and good but if you take this path your crit chance is at best 10% thus most of the useful sigils in the game are worthless to you and your damage is serverely hampered so you wont kill anything anyway through the amount of healing other classes get

You get 50% crit chance from a trait in DS…

You also don’t know what you are talking about with damage. Actually try it out first.

DakotaCoty.5721:

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

penelopehannibal.8947:

Joining a party and someone “not reading the LFG” is not an excuse for verbal abuse.

Joining a party without reading the LFG is a form of abuse.

If I’m playing with meta players, I never see any of them insulting someone, we just simply kick them and wait for them to start abusing us.

I also agree with what this guy said – if we post for meta/zerk/speed/exp and you join as a D/D ele or a necro / ranger, expect to be kicked. I see the kicked being abusive more so than the meta players.

That makes you a bad person.

If you ask for zerk, you get zerk and nothing else.
If you post meta – you get meta builds not always zerk
If you post speed you can get Pvt people who skip cutscenes
if you post exp, you get everyone.

if you post meta/zerk/speed/exp +5K AP for AC you are going to get trolled by people sick of your kitten plaguing the pug groups.

You don’t get to just ban classes regardless of LFG entry. Its why zerk pugs are seen as people of questionable character.

Xaragon.3520:

All I would like them to do is come into the thread and advise us on how the want the necro to play- so we can tailor our suggestions to suit and when they will work on the changes.

Some feedback is better then none.

That would be good, but you have heard it. They want us to play like horror movie monsters. Slow, lumbering, inevitable agents of doom. Not Immune to CC but shrug off the attacks.

Many people want to play necro ultra-glass. Which just does not work. We have good traits that boost our damage with tank-y-ness. We don’t have good means for glass builds to scale even higher damage without buffing the tanky-bruiser damage. All of our might stacking is easily done in Pvt or Celi.

I think desiring that ANET actually make glass viable for necros is a proper request, but at the same time I think ANET is trying to move away from the zerker meta by making zerker unnecessary to do tons of damage.

Joseph.9853:

Hi hi!

I’ve been running with my necro for over a year now, and love every moment of game play on him I can get (yes, I said a necro and favorite). It really has came more and more to mind recently, especially with the 6/23 patch, if I should really be looking into a different gear stat than what I have now.

As of now, I run all soldiers, trinkets and all (except one ring): everything ascended. While I do get my nice run from him if I was doing this all in WvW (soul purpose of it), just feel rather week if I am not in a zerg. If I just 1v1 someone, I can survive for a few minutes, but always end up taking a toll of death: but I just keep rising back up.

So, maybe I’m doing something wrong? Is there a gear-set I should be running? I’m open to suggestions, though it will be hard for me to get away from soldiers, so anything to build around that would be great!

Here is my current build, hope that gives you an idea of what I run: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRQQNAW7djc0Q1N2SD20A/NOsGKZAEyl88kjgMg2CxwIA-TVCBABCu/gWK3QTJIAHEAvUSYp6PM8EAy4CAonuhAAIA38mBAXXjDNAA-w

I do run wells, but willing to change those out.

I run a similar build. I recommend using more wells.

I use well of blood and well of power. In WvW, I found WoP great for AoE condi clear in the front line push. I would use Soul Reaping Top, Mid, Mid. DS is your dps form. I’m only not in DS long enough to drop wells, some needed marks, and then staff 1 (which gives 4% LF per hit up to 20% per cast).

Travelers is an interesting choice. I just run Blood Mid Bottom Top and just run with daggers. I try to stack as much power as possible (I run fighter runes), but wurm runes give a significant ferocity buff which is useful with 50% bonus crit in DS. Anyone giving out fury bumps your crit % to 74 without needing a point of precision.

TheLastNobody.8319:

Lola.4172:

Thiefs and Necros got all the buff goodies and now its my turn to laugh.

I main a necro…what buffs we get that made us so op? Just genuinely asking.

Bruiser soldier or celi necro is the meta right now.

The main thing is wells/marks. Necro dps is actually pretty crazy when every skill hits 5 people. AoE stab/condi clear. AoE immobilize and chill. AoE boon strip. AoE plague blind counters rampage. Staff 1 can hit 5 for 20% life force. In a serious battle, a well can heal 2.5-3K through life steal alone.

I also like having 3.4K power and 3.4K armor while in DS. 4-5K crits (54% chance) with life blast are pretty crazy on a char this tanky.

assassin.9476:

How am I supposed to farma karma with the new dailies? :| Events? that’s like 300-1000 Karma, enough to buy a donkey nipple

Try golem try. The farm is real right now.

I don’t think anyone was and has been pure WvW. I think most of us just end up there because it is the best most dynamic thing in GW2 right now.

Right now WvW is basically the challenging end-game content.

Kylden Ar.3724:

Dragonbrand and Gates of Madness have by all apperances ganged up on Kaineng, which for some stupid reason ended up against them on this week. Oh sure, we show all as T6 right now (https://leaderboards.guildwars2.com/en/na/wvwmain) but Kaineng is rank 19 vs a 15 and 16. Rank is purely a result of coverage under current system, so not only are golems overcharged, not only are they free, there are twice the people to duplicate them and send them at us.

This is pure fen fen.

Kaineng just doesn’t have people most of the time. I play DB. They were like that last week too against DB and SoR.

I was once kicked from a group for high HP. WvW bonus was too high for that group… (that’s what I get for joining a zerker-group in full zerkers).

Zerker-only pugs attract the worst people. Expect to expand your block list. I tend to avoid said groups even with my full Zoja’s warrior because they tend to have bad people.

Brainstorming:

Thief could sabotage walls from the inside, sneak into bases via a spy disguise, assassinate the Lord, burns supplies.

Necro – option to raise corpses to send NPC attacks at outpost, corrupt mercenary camps, disease guards to make them weaker, Lead allies into the underworld and pop up in battlefields with a large number of deaths,

Eles – rituals to blast down walls, conjure siege weapons, create lightning bridges between towers, Long supply heavy ritual at SM to cause a map searing, tearing down all walls/gates, neutralizing the towers/camps/keeps. and slaying the NPCs.

Engineer – Siege manipulation – siege boons, reduced supply cost, people catapults over walls, replace sentry with sentry turret, make fast vehicles that zerg can ride on but randomly explode, Rig a keep/tower to blow if captured to kill the enemy zerg or rig it to blow open gates, nul RI, and tear down walls if flipped in a set time.

Warriors – Allies out of combat can run faster towards a warrior in combat – Rally Point, Buff that lets allies do regular damage to doors, Being able to bolster your grates by pressing against them, Giving temp RI to guards and lords with inspirational speeches, Ability to commands guards and Lords,

Rangers – Recruit animals and spirits as mercenaries, vine stars over walls, better siege traps, Longer sight range to better follow enemy zergs, Ability to climb,

Guardians – Special siege supply option to carry a keep WP around that is unusable if either the keep is attacked or the Guard is in combat. If they die, give up to 50 ally players RI for 5s,

Obviously neat defensive ideas are also needed. We’ve learned recently just how bad easy flipping can be.

Seera.5916:

Marthkus.4615:

Seera.5916:

penelopehannibal.8947:

On the LFG: Advertise your own party. Usually people who aren’t particularly looking for Zerker-Zerker meta put “P1 80 Exp”

But be careful, sometimes they are. The “Exp” to that player may mean experienced in that you know the meta and use it.

Best to ask at the beginning if they want all members to follow the meta. If they save you the time of leaving the group on your own, then so be it.

No.
If you want zerker say zerker. Even “speed run” does not mean zerker.

Do not be afraid to join groups because the meta-bullies might me mean. Every toxic person you meet is a glorious opportunity to block them and never have to be exposed to their ilk again.

Decent people can ask for “zerker only”. I join groups that ask for gear pings just so I can block them, and then leave the group before ever entering the same instance.

I was responding to a player that said that that LFG’s that just say “p1 level 80 exp” would be casual runs.

Since not everyone labels their LFG’s with every requirement they want for whatever unknown reason to me, it is not safe to assume that “p1 level 80 exp” means a casual run. It could be a zerker meta jerk being lazy.

You don’t have to ask them if they mean zerker. It’s their own fault for not asking for it.

I’ve kicked people for ranting about the lack of zerker when the LFG didn’t ask for it.

Players I run into:
1. High deeps players who don’t die and could solo the dungeon.
2. High deeps players who don’t die but can’t solo the dungeon.
3. High deeps players who die all the time unless everyone is playing max deeps.
4. Mid deeps players who don’t die and could solo the dungeon.
5. Mid deeps players who don’t die but can’t solo dungeon.
6. Mid deeps players who die all the time unless the boss dies fast.
7. Low deeps players who don’t die and could solo the dungeon.
8. Low deeps players who don’t die and couldn’t solo the dungeon.
9. Low deeps player who die all the time and are basically a drain to the party.

Meta bullies are almost exclusively #3. They are noobs, but pretend they aren’t cause they have zerker gear. 1s and 2s are the kind of people willing to carry 6s, 8s, and 9s. I met someone who normally solos arah but was puging because that is more of a challenge. He was a bit elitist and meta, but he was still fun to play with because he wasn’t shouting at people.

More and more people are falling into the #1 category which makes puging very pleasant.

My war is full Zoja’s, but I don’t like the zerker meta, so I use her to climb fractals. Easy content like dungeons, I’ll bring my 4s, (odd thing to censor?) 5s, and 8s.

Seera.5916:

penelopehannibal.8947:

On the LFG: Advertise your own party. Usually people who aren’t particularly looking for Zerker-Zerker meta put “P1 80 Exp”

But be careful, sometimes they are. The “Exp” to that player may mean experienced in that you know the meta and use it.

Best to ask at the beginning if they want all members to follow the meta. If they save you the time of leaving the group on your own, then so be it.

No.
If you want zerker say zerker. Even “speed run” does not mean zerker.

Do not be afraid to join groups because the meta-bullies might be mean. Every toxic person you meet is a glorious opportunity to block them and never have to be exposed to their ilk again.

Decent people can ask for “zerker only”. I join groups that ask for gear pings just so I can block them, and then leave the group before ever entering the same instance.

It would be a lot better if golems actually fought each other. But fights tend to be very one sided.

Golem rush would have been a perfectly fin weekend end event. I don’t want to play this for a week.

This event was fun for like 3 hours.

Hmmm I have an idea. It could be a utility that you channel. It starts out doing 1 damage and doubles every second. It does this damage to both you and your opponent.

Pride.1734:

Yea about wvw i wonder. When the reapers releases frontline necros might become acutally viable. But what stat set would be best?

Just full soldiers or mix it up with knights and/or cavaliers?
Maybe someone who has already experimented with the idea might share his insight on this

Idk about using knights or cavaliers, but I found that full soldiers lets me front line.
Sometimes they don’t focus you, you shrug off the AOE and go bag farming. Sometimes they do focus you and you pin ball around for awhile, get up, walk to the back line, heal back up and dive back in.
If my Zerg loses I tend to be the last to die.
Sometimes I have trouble disengaging. Positioning is something you have to watch out for, because if the commander runs away, 1v30+ is not going to end well. I actually bring plague form as both an escape and rampage counter (I can handle rampage without plague, but the rest of my zerg can’t, so it is a good idea to pop it).

OH and if your commander likes to might stack, those seconds of having over 4K power are delicious. I run wells, but I could see trading out Blood for Spite and running signets to pump up the damage. Your survivability would drop a lot though.

Salamander.2504:

By seeing the cooldowns of our utility skills, we can then more strategically use Death Shroud, promoting skilled play/counter-play, and it will help balance the necro as a class.

Bump if you agree!

Edit: You really can help by posting a +1. According to ANet support, “Members of the Development Team read the forums daily…[and reading suggestions] helps them gauge the level of interest in a particular idea,” so lets show that our level of interest is high.

This is a good idea. It’s not really a buff, any player that counts in their head could essentially do the same thing, this would just make a wide range of tactics more accessible without really effecting top level play.

Eggshells.1748:

Atm I run Zerker gear with Celestial jewelry..

I have:
22,542 HP
17,888 Life Force
2,234 Power
34.42% crit chance
And I do run the Bloodlust sigil.

I run soldiers with bloodlust. I use cheap food right now. 5% toughness to power, 3% vitality to power, 5% toughness to vitality.
I have in WvW roughly:
34K HP
3.1K power, 3.4K power in DS
27K Life force
4% crit, 54% crit in DS
3K armor, 3.4K in DS

Note: Numbers include WvW stacks that add 250 vitality and 100 power. DS armor includes corruptors ferver
Note2: Numbers do not include might stacks of any-kind. It’s WvW, I run wells.

EremiteAngel.9765:

soldiers

I second that.

Einlanzer.1627:

Thieves are not in a good place right now. Asking for nerfs is insane. They have middle of the road burst with worse condi removal than most classes and basically die in one hit from anything.

Mesmers are for more OP than Thieves right now.

Actually nerfing the burst would allow for greater buffs to all other aspects of the thief. Like a better acrobatics line or the ability not to have to build crit or suck.

I know I am having trouble finding a thief build that I like.

manveruppd.7601:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

To be fair, that would only list myself as having played 2 ranked games. Yet you all seem to think my views on Necro have some weight :p

Who are you again? :p

j/k, to be fair for all I know mayube the OP played like 4,000 unranked games since December (when unranked queue was introduced), but since his views are diametrically opposite to everyone on these forums who actually know a thing or two, I somehow doubt it.

Everyone I know outside of forums is pretty sure that necros are OP.

Every class forums is pretty sure their class is worthless. So don’t be surprised that ANET listens to none of it.

Sagat.3285:

Marthkus.4615:

And for those of us who like necromancer?

There is always room for improvement and it’s not like everything thematic about us is decent. To say corruptions,axe etc are in a good place will get you flamed.

1. I think the complaints about condi necro are pretty valid. I salvaged that gear.
2. Axe is useful…. If you… Something… sigh it serves no purpose.

Skoigoth.9238:

Hmm I´d say Warriors and Eles outclass us as bruisers by a lot. They have more mobility, more sustain and more damage.

We have SoS =P that´s it.

Hmmm I like my engineer, but warriors tend to lean very zerky and depend on invul-frames to take damage. My necro out-sustains both and then crits off large chunks of their health until they die. Warriors can at least run away very well. As much as I like my engi, she doesn’t really compare to my necro. My war is pretty much a PvE exclusive toon.

Swamurabi.7890:

Marthkus.4615:

Nekster.2657:

Does anet even read what people say and suggest about necro changes ? I see so many awesome things on forums that can fix this class and anet is just ignoring that. They keep nerfing it to the ground.
It seems like every patch they do, they try to target necro (in a bad way ).

Devs to necro forums: L2P

Necros to Marthkus and Anet Devs:

It’s been 3 years, you would have thought we would have L2P’d by now and would be recognized by PvP and PvE for our group contributions so why are Necros still not on 5 out of every 8 PvP tournament teams and why are Necros kicked from PvE dungeon runs because they’re Necros.

Things devs should fix:
1. un-excusable minion AI
2. Shroud 2 is too slow. I’d rather walk and cast life blast than use it.
3. Scepter is rather lacking. I find it difficult to make a condi build that I like.
4. dhuumfire could use a rework to make Condi’s want to use DS more.

Things players should fix:
1. Stop running pure glass cannon. That’s not how necros work. It will never be the meta outside of way-too-easy PvE content where the only thing that matters is how fast you beat the content.
2. Don’t build too tanky. You’re a bruiser not a tank.

Nekster.2657:

Does anet even read what people say and suggest about necro changes ? I see so many awesome things on forums that can fix this class and anet is just ignoring that. They keep nerfing it to the ground.
It seems like every patch they do, they try to target necro (in a bad way ).

Devs to necro forums: L2P

And for those of us who like necromancer?

xitsLuisx.2480:

I personally think necro’s are fine. I love playing my necro, I spent a lot of time creating a very effective condition build that does a whole heap of damage. What I have a problem with is being kicked out of groups because ‘NO NECROS EVER’. By people who don’t play the class, and are just ‘programmed’ to hate the class.

IMO, any dungeon/fractal goes 10 times smoother when you have a well played necro. It won’t be as fast kitten zerker warriors or 5 zerker guardians, but that doesn’t mean I deserve to be kicked out of groups when I play my class pretty effectively.

TIP: You don’t want to play with those poor excuse for people.

Zetsumei.4975:

Zefrost.3425:

Bhawb.7408:

OP is the definition of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

I had to google what that means and laughed hard lol.

I know right the definition alone is an insult itself xD

Yes people thinking that they are so good that it is the class mechanics fault for their under performance….

The necro QQ comes from glass cannon built necros who can’t come to terms with zerker/sinister not being the optimal stat combo.

Thieves need to be able to actually fight. As a necro thieves constantly try to sneak combo me down only to get me to maybe half health before I well/fear/dodge/plague/deathshroud. They then run away as the tactic failed.

My thief runs support right now. Sword/gun & SB Pvt perma stealth and lots of blinds. It’s not good, but I’m just not feeling like running zerker D/D. My thief is my 4th alt and will probably stay that way.

inb4 people ask you to stream tourney play or 3 minute Arah path runs.

I was running around with my Arah gear wardrobe in WvW, but then I realized I was a god of war so I put on my balthazar regalia.

Vydahr.4285:

Marthkus.4615:

Vydahr.4285:

Try my well build: http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNAoYWjk0QLNWTD+0A7NOsGKZAEyl8MBigMguCxwkC-TZRBwAbOEAlLDs4EAYd/BAPBAA

Super tanky, and good power

I can vouch for this. I run plague though to counter Rampage with blinds.

EDIT: Though my win rate with MM is higher atm.

Hm… Is it possible, do you think, to outlast the twenty second duration otherwise? I know Plague is the go-to counter, but with corrupter’s fervor, that’s 300 extra toughness after putting on the conditions. So… If wells are thrown down (not Power – need the stunbreak) and staff 5 and charge are chained, and perhaps Doom as well, would we have a chance? Even with their damage taken reduced so much, the power and sustain that my build has might be enough. It would depend on a lot of factors though, even if it would work.

Note: The only reason my MM build has better win rate is because I ran it more. This build is excellent in PvP from what I’ve seen

I’ve survived Rampage in WvW pretty easily without plague.

In PvP, I’ve never 1v1 a meta frenzy zerker rampage. Seems to only happen in team fights. As in most the people I play against save it for team fights. Did I survive or was Ignored?

You need DS to deal with thieves?
Are we fighting two thieves?

If you are really hurting for DS go fight the thief at an enemy camp or infront of a fort. Guards are always good for some DS.

Vydahr.4285:

Try my well build: http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNAoYWjk0QLNWTD+0A7NOsGKZAEyl8MBigMguCxwkC-TZRBwAbOEAlLDs4EAYd/BAPBAA

Super tanky, and good power

I can vouch for this. I run plague though to counter Rampage with blinds.

EDIT: Though my win rate with MM is higher atm.

Akrasia.5469:

Marthkus.4615:

2-4 seconds of invul would not benefit me in most fights. Stab on DS 4 would be infinitely more useful.

Either or would be fine.. I mean are we tanks? Are we cannons? What are we?
We have about 75% of the tools to make us useful in any particular role(except mobility) but since there is always a class that does the role better we are not in the running for any job. We are called tanks over an over again so give us invuln or better stability and stop nerfing our heals.

In LoL terms we are bruisers. Lots of stats. Tanky, tons of damage, but no where near top damage unless you build glass (but even then still not top damage). And not an infinite tank sponge even if you build that way.

I’m having a blast right now in Pvt gear. Others claim cele works for them.

2-4 seconds of invul would not benefit me in most fights. Stab on DS 4 would be infinitely more useful.

We already make people run. Necros only need to escape when outnumbered badly.