Guild Wars 2

Pendragon.8735:

I think that’s a good explanation and there is a method to the madness. I was not particularly impressed with WM either at the small scale level in their last matchup, and I regrettably did not get to see any of their bigger actions firsthand. But what they are going for is not small scale effectiveness or open field combat, but achieving macro level successes and not getting distracted by things that don’t matter on the scoreboard. And judging by that measure, they are very successful. I think a lot of people still fail to get what wins in WvW.

So what exactly wins in WvW? I don’t get any of that from your post.

I’ve read that multiboxing is very difficult in GW2 due to movement latency issues. If you issue identical movement commands to two different account, the game’s random latency causes the second account to eventually be unsynced. How these guys are able to keep everyone on course is mystifying.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

This post is so full of fail. For the first two ‘cases’, it’s called being good players and understanding how to play WvW. Why would members of the zerg stop to deal with one member, who is hardly going to do anything to them at all if ignored? The guild claim NPC is much more important of a target to take down in lords room than any players, and if people stop to attack the one fool who is trying to distract the enemy force, it slows down the capture. Focused fire is the best fire.

In the first case, I chased them up to the lord room. I started to attack them when they were sitting in the lord room. It would not take long to kill me with 30 guys before charging off. I wasn’t even trying to dodge their zerg. I was like “come at me bro.” Instead they just charged off and I did mess up their zerg. I was able to chill 5 guys and agro 5 others who actually broke off to attack me. I reduced their firepower by 1/3. I have done kamikazee run against zergs before and I don’t generally get left alone like the WM zombie guys.

Zephyrus.9680:

I’ll post a video tomorrow so you or anyone else can draw their own conclusion on whether its bots or just braindead. It’s an almost pure WM zerg trying to take a camp from what starts at around 6 players and gradually builds up over 5+ minutes. All they need to do is split up and clear the circle but they can’t do it. They can’t even stop us from ressing the supervisor over and over. They keep running through like a blind bull ignoring everything except what’s in front of them and the only reason anyone’s in front of them is because the constant stealth culling abuse.

Ultimately they leave for no apparent reason while still heavily outnumbering us and still completely ignoring anyone who attack them from the side or behind while they’re leaving. If you think that’s organized and ‘being good at WvW’ I want to know who brainwashed you… Actually I’m surprised no one else has posted videos like this since I’m sure we have lots of clips like it.

For anyone on Maguuma or DB, try attacking their zergball from the sides or behind. The only people who will ‘see’ you are randoms tagging along with the zerg.

@the rest of Kaineng, nothing against your server as a whole. You have a whole lot of people and good coverage but almost no roaming presense and a very suspicious guild.

Other observations I made during my short time fighting WM in EB.

1. I have only seen WM zombie behaviour in Eternal Battleground. I did not see it in the WM members that were in the various border battlegrounds. Why?

2. When zombie WM members take damage, I do not ever remember seeing them dodge the damage. They would take the brunt of the damage and keep following the leader.

3. When I apply condition to zombie WM members, I don’t notice them cleansing condition. I would lay a chill mark in their zerg. The 5 member who are chilled just keep doing the follow the leader. I did not notice any attempt at dodging or cleansing condition.

4. I have not seen zombie WM standing on the wall defending or doing anything more complex then follow the leader, attack a location, attack on the move.

5. I have not seen zombie WM members engage in range standoff combat.

6. I have not seen zombie WM members after attacking a location be able to spread and attack random targets. If they don’t kill off enough players on the initial attack and are getting pressured, I see them ball up and run.

Anyone see this WM zombie group be able to do complex tasks beside attack a location, ball up and run?

Caliburn.1845:

Had Kain held its own garrison from reset, all three servers would have been more or less evenly matched scorewise in the first few hours. All this chest-thumping from DB/Mag that we beat Kain in those early hours is silly. We got lucky, in part because I don’t think Kain has ever really had to seriously defend its borderlands on reset before.

There’s a lot of would’ve could’ve. Maybe if your Oceanicd didn’t come in to save the day, all three servers would have been more or less evenly matched scorewise.

Maguuma isn’t the first server to have a negative view towards some aspect of Kaineng. I wonder if there has been a server that enjoyed Kaineng’s presence in their tier since the population explosion.

Kaineng can win in WvW but by gosh they will not win WvW forum thread!

Yea I don’t think anyone has been able to confirm the numbers since Anet won’t release it. This is a best guestimate from what I read.

saiyr.3071:

Last I heard it was 500 total per map, which is a lot more than 66 per team. It could have changed since then, but I’d be surprised if it was that low now.

Yeah you’re right I forgot to leave out a hundred. 500/3=166ish.

66 was what I recall being max for a borderland per side.

It would take a split second for 30 to down me on their way.

I would’ve been impressed with Kaineng if they held their own on reset night. Heck it would make some kind of statement if Kaineng held their own during reset night in T4.

But alas, when this is pointed out, there’s just a lot of denial and excuses. Don’t blame some of us for thinking that Kaineng is carried by Koreans.

DivineBeing.2086:

Pinko.2076:

Brosef.7234:

All this “Kaineng’s NA guys are bad” stuff originates from reset night. We’ve won the last two NA primetimes.

Did it ever occur to you that mag/db non-reset primetimes are not equal to our reset primetime? Do you really think we push 4 queue maps every night? Do you understand what the defender’s advantage is in WvW? You’re being dishonest with yourself.

Um, you aren’t quite getting it.

He is saying that exactly about Kaineng.

Kaineng on reset night = a lot of pugs and very few organized guilds due to to the amount pugs that want to play on reset night.

After reset night = this is where it really matters as this is where you field your actual WvW guilds/teams and not so many pugs. This is where dedication from your NA primetime guilds shine.

It shines because you’re left with a lot of upgraded keeps to defend.

ShadowSoljer.6524:

Ninein.4782:

CHIPS.6018:

Ninein.4782:

I don’t know why so many nonKorean Kaineng people are so boastful. There’s a running joke that Kaineng is “Carried by Koreans.”

I agree that our NA crew needs improvement. Right now in T3 we are usually only +350 to +400 around NA prime time. And in Oceanic times we becomes +500 to +600. When we face T1 foes we might end up losing, unless we improve.

Your figure comes in after your Koreans carried you guys through the night. I’ve seen in T3/T4 battles, you guys come in 3rd badly at reset when numbers are even. Then you get carried by your Korean pals. Then all you have to do is play defense on upgraded keeps to get the 350-400 primetime.

Implying thats not a strategy. Learn to tactics.

You are proud at being able to pvdoor. I guess whatever floats your boat.

CHIPS.6018:

Ninein.4782:

I don’t know why so many nonKorean Kaineng people are so boastful. There’s a running joke that Kaineng is “Carried by Koreans.”

I agree that our NA crew needs improvement. Right now in T3 we are usually only +350 to +400 around NA prime time. And in Oceanic times we becomes +500 to +600. When we face T1 foes we might end up losing, unless we improve.

Your figure comes in after your Koreans carried you guys through the night. I’ve seen in T3/T4 battles, you guys come in 3rd badly at reset when numbers are even. Heck there were WM at reset and they got beat up. Then you get carried by your Korean pals when the other servers go to sleep. Then all you have to do is play defense on upgraded keeps to get the 350-400 primetime.

ellesee.8297:

lol went right over your head but i don’t judge.

You guys just aren’t liked for some reason. Why?!

ellesee.8297:

kaineng won by a landslide but obviously they are the worst out of the three!!!!11

that’s what i got from these threads.

oh and also omgg come dool me in wvwvw omggg if i win i win wvwvw omgg how could you have killed my in game avatar??!!!11 that is such a personal insult omg obviously i have to prove my worth by coming onto these forums and saying i’m better than all of you!!!!

I know why Kaineng is despised by servers in T3-T8. They have a lot of chest thumping carried players.

I don’t know why so many nonKorean Kaineng people are so boastful. There’s a running joke that Kaineng is “Carried by Koreans.”

Invalid.8765:

6 man wiping 20-30 zergball before our reinforcements arrived. lols

On another note, my first time on necromentalistwarriorrogue was fun times

You dive bomb that WM zergball just like me:).

Maguuma did pretty well at reset even though there were only 2 queues. I got right into my borderland.

Omg spoiler alert spoiler alert!

Will numbers trump organization? We’ll find out.

Of course only talking about Mag and Kain. DB is too mellow.

Besetment.9187:

Zerguuma vs Whineng vs Wagonbrand

gogogo

Lol witty.

At night do people laugh like this on Kaineng?

kekekekekeke

First order of business, what’s Kaineng’s nickname? Nothing raises more animosity through the tier then Kaineng so I’m sure they got a few good nicknames.

wombat.6123:

I keep reading posts from this OG guild but I’ve never met them…until tonight. Here’s a vid of our encounter. (NB: My guild has almost no spvp/tpvp players and certainly makes no claims about being good at roaming fights).

Looked like you were fighting one or two mesmers and counting their clones.

Pinko.2076:

Stoneslammer, you’re doing more to encourage transfers than anyone you’re complaining about. For the record, I know of no one actively encouraging transfers. If you mean the normal /t joking in the borderlands, then I think you don’t “get” the normal BL humor.

If you are mad that people would rather go do something else than grinding 10 hour defense which involves little or no combat, then you have some control issues.

Apparently, you haven’t been immersed in these trollstorms so you won’t know what it’s about. No one is complaining that some people aren’t contributing in WvW. It’s all voluntary. But some people were going out of their way to affect other people’s enjoyment of WvW.

Does anyone even have a grudge against DB? You get an awesome nickname once you have a grudge match with someone.

wads.5730:

if you’re not the target of those comments, then why does it matter? let the trolls troll, its what they do

It was disruptive and I didn’t want to be lumped in with the “our” part of “Get off our server.” Plus I couldn’t figure out what the heck was going on with all the spam and arguments instigated by said people.

Pinko.2076:

I think you’re over exaggerating. People are not spending 10 hours a day grinding out defense because they don’t enjoy doing it for 7 days straight. You’re OG Maguuma, so you should know we don’t do things if we stop enjoying them.

We learned and know how to stop FA’s siege from the first 3 days, so why should we repeat it for the last 4 if it’s clear how tedious it is? I’d rather we play for fun, and the score we get is the score we get. That means we’ll eventually be in a tier where we can have fun instead of grinding out borderlands defense for 10 hours a day.

Not complainging about WvW population per se. Just the disruption to my WvW experience exhibited by some “Get off our server” people.

Benjamin.6235:

Ninein.4782:

In short, there is a subset of Maguuma players who decided not to contribute to WvW on Monday and are actively trying to disrupt communication. It now costs GEMS to transfer so I find this behavhior unethical. I hope this stops because it’s embarrasing.

We tried to warn you. We tried very, very hard to warn everyone. Can’t blame us that everyone thought we were joking.

To the people who think WvW belongs to them or Maguuma belongs to them and that it is an exclusive club, it doesn’t.

Pinko.2076:

We didn’t mind DRgn or RET or Gods. Honestly you guys need work on open field fighting. The biggest threat was when you set more people and siege on a safe treb then we could muster to counter it.

Either that or attack repeatedly the same spot with the same tactics but with more people until it finally works hours later.

Naming names on forum is bad etiquette. Generalization keeps threads burning bright with passion.

dreztina.4820:

^
I don’t think the focus 5 actually strips boons. I used to think it did too because the char planner said it did, but the in game description doesn’t say it.

Game description isn’t updated properly. If you go to your character screen and look up weapon skills, you’ll see the description says that it strips 3 boons. In the past, I’ve used focus 5 against thieves. I would root them with Dagger 3 which usually freaks them out and they’ll start stealthing. Then I hit them with focus 5 and it stripped their stealth. I haven’t been able to strip stealth after the patch though but I am still able to strip the regular boons.

Nocturnal Lunacy.8563:

Ninein.4782:

Besetment.9187:

Big difference with War Machine is that Jang Gun gets annoyed when his team tries to charge like that without stability. But its gotta go down eventually.

A bunch of well of corruption would stop that zergball dead in its track.

I have to disagree, I’ve lost count of the times I’ve laid marks and wells and FA ran right over them and nothing happening. There are times I’d throw marks into the zerg and nothing. And then there are times when fighting FA I’m doing massive damage to an FA player yet their HP bar never moves. So I guess exploits will be used by those players with no skill in order to gain advantage. Hence why they have to zerg 30 man at a time, cuz if they were caught alone they’d be dead fast. If you need a massive zerg to fight 4 or 5 enemies then you truly lack in skill.

(And by “you” I am referring to those that use these tactics. Not you personally Ninein or you Besetment.)

I run a power build and I find the wells/marks to be effective. I also spec specifically for wells and marks and I enjoy stripping boons and applying pressure with them. I find FA players run around with a lot of boon so I use focus 5 skill alot as well to strip boon. When I ran a condition build, I agree that I didn’t see marks/wells make much of a difference.

Here’s the situation with Maguuma from a PUGger’s perspective. From Friday to Sunday, I’d say Maguuma was fighting at full strenght and did better then expected. There were even worries that we were doing too well.

Monday’s patch rolls around the first thing I see when I hopped into WvW were two “get off our server” commanders in the jumping puzzle trolling. There was only one other commander on the map trying to help out and organize. Even that commander got frustrated and logged off. These two commander proceeded to taunt and be unproductive in map chat. It was the first time I had to put Maguuma players on my blocked list since the start of the game.

In short, there is a subset of Maguuma players who decided not to contribute to WvW on Monday and are actively trying to disrupt communication. It now costs GEMS to transfer so I find this behavhior unethical. I hope this stops because it’s embarrasing.

Last night proved we can hold off FA from west keep. Didn’t think we could last as a long as we did. But the boring WvW has seen a drop off of people playing. I went and did PvE myself to get more gold. Looking forward to the reset. Also, it’s annoying listening to these “get off our server” people. They don’t own the server. They can get off themselves.

Which one is more profitable in the long run to get as an infusion for the ascended gear? Seems like MF would be a good choice but I don’t know if it increases loot from downing WvW players or the new chests from mobs.

Wasn’t there a philipino guild that covered the morning too?

luckyninja.3405:

now that sever reset is happening friday maybe all BL will be full again and we will have some great fights till friday like when we fough aspen couple nights ago for west keep on our home BL for over a hour

We made FA work for West keep last night. It lasted 8+ hours and they paid dearly everytime they tried to push in. They finally got it around 5:30 AM EST. By that time a lot of people had to go to sleep.

Besetment.9187:

Big difference with War Machine is that Jang Gun gets annoyed when his team tries to charge like that without stability. But its gotta go down eventually.

A bunch of well of corruption would stop that zergball dead in its track.

BT style is new and intriguing. You don’t find that from the lower tiers. I think WM from KN may run something similar at least from their videos that had call target on their commander.

Yea Mag pugs are getting used to fighting BT. One time I saw like 20-30 AE sitting at the spot where the BT zergball died. It was funny.

Their zergball has a frontal attack cone. What I do is dodge that frontal attack and just run beside or behind them. I tend to not get hit at all while dropping a ton of AE on their ball.

^ Your answer for a skilled defense is to bring more people. I see your logic. Well played, never seen that before.

•Fixed a bug that allowed skills that steal or remove boons to manipulate effects that they were not intended to be able to affect.

Anyone know how this affects us? I recall being able to remove stealth with focus 5. Hope this didn’t nerfed it.

Ironvos.9014:

Everyone is killing krait now

Why?

Invalid.8765:

Ninein.4782:

Tolbrin’s description in Mumble chat has inspired me to seek out this incredible individual. I just want to be able to say I downed the best of the best.

I hope they did not forget to mention; Tolbhrin is ex-military.

Yes it was evident from his leadership ability. I don’t know why Maguuma didn’t collapse when he left the server. I hope my lifelong dream of meeting this individual will be fulfilled.

Tolbrin’s description in Mumble chat has inspired me to seek out this incredible individual. I just want to be able to say I downed the best of the best.

It’s culling. Everytime I see an FA, there’s 20+ hidden in culling somewhere. You have to fish them out. The best bait is siege. Drop siege and just stack AE on the siege. Bam instant badges.

Kaineng is the one to rule them all. You still got time till the patch hits.