@OP
Just remember that these same people that bashed you always go “Oh wow great group guys i’ve never done this so fast” when they meet at least 3 people that know their stuff in zerk gear to carry’em.
Necro is still the worst class at pve, and it is no secret that anet balances this game based on sPvP, not PvE or WvW. And necros are pretty strong at sPvP.
As for guardians, I’d be happy if anet made some sort of soft cc (think cripple) avaiable for us to make our damage easier to “land” since we have no real access to conditions.
Wow, guardians get buffs and you guys cry. This is down right pathetic. Some of you need to get off your duffs and play a profession that takes skill to accomplish what guardians can face role. You guardians and warriors have no idea how good you have it. Reading this thread is like dealing with my kids. 1 has a birthday and gets a gift and the other 4 act like jerks because they didn’t get anything. Every last one of you complainers need the same thing my kids get.
“Honey, bring me my belt so I can tend to these spoiled brats”
Hallowed Ground – now grant stability and boon duration for any boons activated while it is active.
Between this and the buff to purging flames, it looks like a good time to be a hammer warrior in dungeons. Blasting Hallowed Ground with your hammer will now be better than ever for might stacking.
You can blast stuff with your banners instead of using a sub-par weapon.
On a side note, i’m fine with these buffs, it is great for PvE and ok for sPvP imo, i’m not a big fan of the fury up-time though, it seems a bit low.
plenty ? you mean 3 well ok maybe 5 ? I never finde more then 5 non “elite” groups scattered around the LFG system and even that is rare.
and its getting worse I slowly cant get into dungeons if its not me who make it lol
btw is this thing is cross server or not ? il hope its not and it will be.
btw whats up with this LFG path selling ? like if they can solo the dungeon without a group lol…….
Every LFG post is a non-elite group.
The tool is cross-servers.
Some dungeons are easily duo-able, alternatively i can play with some friends and we can run, lets say, HOTW P3 (pretty sure no one would buy that, but it is just an example), they drop the group before the last boss while i remain inside and sell their spots.
Am i the only one who laughs everytime some PVT user says or implies that PvE is easy(well, it is)?
I mean, if it is easy why the heck are you using defensive gear that allows more mistakes?
Also, keep the thread going, great stuff.
My engie has a bunch of condi removal because i’m using the wrong setup, if i ever change it i will have just one condi removal, my ele on the other hand has just one, from D/D#5 while attuned to water.
I find it somewhat funny how mesmers have a better combo of reflect and condi removal than us without having to spend a single trait point, anyhow PoV is replace-able if you run stuff with a mesmer often.
@Shukay
The symbol build look like this: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQJASBmIsPAw6DxDTBG9IA-e
You can put the extra points at radiance to get the extra 10% damage on targets with conditions, and honor (PoV), radiance and virtues, just virtues (master of consecrations and absolute resolution) or maybe virtues and honor, but that’s pretty much the core of it.
As for the scepter question – Scepter is too much situational for my tastes, and doesn’t always means an increase to my dps, so i stick to GS (dropping RHS and focusing into precision runes is actually what i’m trying to change right now).
Also, 0/30/0/30/10 was my very first guardian build after i dropped AH. It is cool, and pretty much failproof for me, but i like the extra damage on fiery wrath.
@Shukay
It is a bad trait, because, as pointed our earlier, you have to choose between AH and group support or AH and DPS. You don’t have to use it in order to dish out boons, using AH only rewards yourself, you could’ve put these points on other lines, either PoV, or lasting symbols + lasting consecrations, etc etc.
I’ve got nothing against the fact that some people need it, but that doesn’t make AH any less meh.
Is it so bad to simply want AH? Not need it? The reason I met you with criticism is because when you phrase things like that, it sounds like you’re putting yourself above them. What if its the case that I simply think AH is a cool skill and I like the effect? That’s all I was getting at about personal preference. Even if there is an objectively “best” setup, there are a huge number of people who don’t have any interest in playing that way. NOTE: They don’t have an interest in it. It’s not that they’re not good enough, or that they suck, or they can’t dodge. It’s that they don’t want to run that build. Very important, key thing.
I happen to think Sword/Focus with Meditations is a fun build. What’s not fun about teleporting around? Teleport with your sword, teleport with Judge’s Intervention, teleport with Merciful Intervention.. lots of mobility, and a lot of fun to play.
Also not as effective as other builds. My stance? Who cares.
Apologies for earlier posts. It’s a discussion again.
If you don’t care about being effective, fine, but… OP asked, and i quote: “Why are AH builds frowned upon?”, and what i just said is the very awnser for his question.
And to be honest with you, do you know any people good at dodging bosses tells running AH because they don’t care about efficiency? :/
I may sound like a kitten, but truth is most people take this kind of stuff too personally, and most people also hate being wrong.
@The guy
I think Cookie pretty much nailed anything i could’ve said. lol
This is the trait setup i’m using right now, and my favorite as well. In thinking about changing it but i’m low on cash to buy new runes and another set of gear. Being poor ins’t cool.
@Shukay
It is a bad trait, because, as pointed our earlier, you have to choose between AH and group support or AH and DPS. You don’t have to use it in order to dish out boons, using AH only rewards yourself, you could’ve put these points on other lines, either PoV, or lasting symbols + lasting consecrations, etc etc.
I’ve got nothing against the fact that some people need it, but that doesn’t make AH any less meh.
Look if you are going to respond to my post then read them. This is second time you have done this today. Read the bold. What PoV build doesn’t run Aria? On another note if you are Sw/F and Gs then no longer lasting symbols doesn’t mean much at all. Argument for the sake of argument is stupid and unproductive.
Dude, chill. I’ll point out two things for you:
I’m talking about aria without PoV. Aria itself is a hell of a trait. And i mentioned longer lasting symbols with hammer+gs in mind, not S/F. I’m sorry you didn’t understand my post, but i did read yours.
I am not angry, excited, or anything else. Aria is a good trait on its own but honestly I do not see the point in the investment unless you are going up the line in Honor for the symbols heavy build you describe (I would probably just carry the last writ but that is me). I see that as a support build. However, I would rather not play that type of build myself. To clarify thing I do not run AH I run 10 25 0 30 5 with some support from PoV (necklace is knight every other piece of gear zerk). If I lose DPS to support the party I want it to be the right type of DPS.
This is the issue at hand actually. Hammer support the party by providing protection and blast finishers nearly on demand but will not compare to sword in DPS. Imho it is inefficient outside an organized group and even then it better to burn faster and quicker while supporting without sacrificing much DPS.
That being said as my original post said the main issue is that you should really only carry the support needed while optimizing DPS. Not to be rude but you are an advocate for this yourself. Carrying too much support will not help. And while protection is nice dodging is better. You more than most should understand this.
It is not a symbol heavy build, it is basically 15 points into zeal and 20 into honor, it is meant to maintain perma protection, with a pretty high dps (lower than sword, for sure), and a stream of static vulnerability stacks, instead of just bursting them out by a blind rotation. While i do know that dodging is better than protection, sometimes you or your teammate will get hit, and perma protection does helps alot when that happens. If i had to pick my favorite support build, this one would be it.
Edit: also, hammer is pretty kitten powerful at clearing trash on dungeons/fractals.
Well, clerics aren’t totally selfish, c’mon at least they’re building to help their team, in a kind of subpar way, but they have good intentions, PVT on the other hand… :|
Look if you are going to respond to my post then read them. This is second time you have done this today. Read the bold. What PoV build doesn’t run Aria? On another note if you are Sw/F and Gs then no longer lasting symbols doesn’t mean much at all. Argument for the sake of argument is stupid and unproductive.
Dude, chill. I’ll point out two things for you:
I’m talking about aria without PoV. Aria itself is a hell of a trait. And i mentioned longer lasting symbols with hammer+gs in mind, not S/F. I’m sorry you didn’t understand my post, but i did read yours.
Why can’t people accept that AH is a bad trait and move on?
I mean, anybody is free to use it if they want to, for whatever reason it is, but there is no need to get upset about the fact that it is a bad trait (well, valor in general is pretty meh) at PvE.
Either crappy dps with good support or good dps with bad support. A ah built can’t simply have both good dps and support due to trait point limitations.
I think that’s why ah built are frowned upon becAuse it’s good survivability must come at the expense of either dps or support
What’s wrong with his attitude? All he wants is a smooth run without bearbows.
If you have to ask…
Of course i do, no one has 24/7 guildies avaiable to run stuff with, same applies to friend list, pugging is inevitable and he’s trying to get the most of it.
I won’t teach anyone unless they ask for my opinion… why?
It usually goes like this:
Me: Just melee it, it is faster that way. Be careful when he ra-
Pug: No need, lets just range.
So you’re bad at picking traits and skills based on the situation, and that means AH is trash. Okay. Pure of Voice isn’t the only cleansing we have, so I’m not sure why switching your build entirely was your first go-to. Why not run Purity and the healing signet? Why not run soldier’s runes and keep the AH? Why not equip Purging Flames, or run with Absolute Resolution? We have a lot of options for condition removal, PoV just happens to be the most broken right now (not for long). Enjoy it while it lasts.
Purity + healing signet only affects myself, PoV works on all allies.
Soldier runes are horrible in PvE. Purging flames is a kittenty cond removal (are you familiar with CM? lol) Absolute resolution would require a build swap anyways.
All you said here just shows you’ve got no game knowledge PvE wise.
Also, i will still run PoV from time to time in PvE when they “fix” it (but probably won’t most of the time, since purging flames will be actually useful aside from providing fire fields).
I’ve met exactly ONE cleric guardian that played at melee range. Every other camped staff at range, most of’em pop’ed empowering might from so far away that nobody else was getting the stacks.
AH is only bad if you have the high school mentality. Were when the pack says something is no longer in style you no longer sport it. If they say something is no longer cool its no longer cool.
If you want to be down with the group of players who consider themselves pve elite, you don’t use AH. If you aren’t looking for someone to lead you, not looking to be apart of a group mindset, then you will understand their opinions do not matter. You are free to play how you like.
My funny history about why i don’t use AH:
Got to 80, used it for a day, at some point i was doing CM and realized i had no cleanses, i was also faceplanting alot because of lol bleeding stacks… and AH wasn’t of much help, know what i did? Swaped it to pure of voice.
I didn’t need someone to tell me that AH sucks, but my early experience as a guardian could’ve been better if somebody said these words to me: “Dude, AH is trash”.
As for valor increasing dps – sure, if you’re fine with no cleanses, no might on crit, no shout cd and most likely no longer lasting reflects. When i have a guardian on my group i expect him to support with cleanses and barriers, not to look pretty thinking he’s an elementalist. I mean, any elementalist would provide more dps than him, and way more utility anyways.
I’m not a huge fan of achievement points filtering, that guardian using spirit weapons and tome of wrath at the first CoF1 pull i posted a while ago had 6.1 or 6.8k AP if i’m not mistaken, which is more than i do right now, on the other hand, i’ve met quite a few skilled fellas with 2000~ishAP.
Yeah, there’s the burst problem as well, if you do get hit by some bosses two times in a row, you’re going to die. AH is most likely not saving you from face-planting.
But AH builds are noob friendly, it is a selfish trait that helps only yourself to survive, which is useful when you’re learning your class and/or an encounter.
Pure of voice gives you and your group alot of surviability, which is better than AH in every way, plus honor is way more desirable as a trait line if compared with valor.
@Ahlen
If i’m running hotw and a guardian dodge heals me for 1.5k i will be pretty kitten sure he’s using some sort of cleric gear. PVT gear is also easy to spot if the guy using it gets hit by any big hit from any boss. Some runes are also pretty obvious (think of rock dog, parrot, fire nova, earth shield, etc). Or they asked him and he linked his stuff.
I wish i had a ranger to test this out but, since esc is kittening useless in this game and i’m highly against clicking in the middle of my screen to reset my target, i usually use GS and sword #3 on my guardian while targeting the spider (which means i’ll move a bit to the back) and it never sprays her poision because of that… so i really doubt ranger autos will break the stack…. but then again i may be wrong, next time i do ac i’ll ask a friend of mine to join on his ranger and try it out.
I meant condition warrior at sPvP/WvW, i’m not sure about WvW (quite some time since i last played that game mode, and my warrior ins’t leveled yet), but at sPvP it is probably the easiest thing i’ve ever did in this whole game, easier than doing my ambient killer daily. And for the record, i’ve got 3 sets of gear just to wvw on my engie and two extras on my guard, mostly because i like to fiddle around with numbers.
Eng is such a flexible class too, so there are many different sets you might need for it. It’s by far my fav class for PvP/WvW. It’s a blessing and a bane at the same time :P
I have so many 80’s with multiple sets of gear… and I stocked up early on cloth for ascended armor… my bank/storage alt/personal guild bank are so stuffed right now hahahaha.
My guard doesn’t see much WvW action anymore though, so he’s what I mainly use in PvE. It wasn’t a big deal for me to get another set for just him and kinda set him aside for PvE. I’ve also used my glassy mes for CoF speedruns with no problems and no one ever said they felt it was slower than it should be. She’s not full zerk, but still very slanted towards damage. I was never booted for having knights legs, a couple of cavalier ascended trinkets, and runes of air. If some one had though… I wouldn’t really care.
A good player in a slightly non-ideal build > a bad player in an ideal one.
Right now i’m having way more fun doing dungeons for the sake of it and playing sPvP, and i’m a huge open world pvp fan. I don’t really like the WvW capture system, roaming is meh, and even if you play it for fun only, ascended gear kind of ruined it for me. Meanwhile at sPvP i can re-spec at will to try new stuff.
As for PvE, i usually don’t ask for zerk players on my groups ( i only do that when running DPS check fights, like ACP2’s ghosteater) since i run stuff with two more friends we’re usually more than enough to carry anyone thru most dungeons, i’m pretty straight foward when people asks for advice as well, i just really don’t like staff camping shaman geared guardians sort of builds and people who refuses to follow directions. And while op may be wrong about some of stuff he said, i do agree with him on something: If someone didn’t ask for zerk gear, they shouldn’t kick him for not using it in the middle of a dungeon run assuming he was following directions/instructions.
I meant condition warrior at sPvP/WvW, i’m not sure about WvW (quite some time since i last played that game mode, and my warrior ins’t leveled yet), but at sPvP it is probably the easiest thing i’ve ever did in this whole game, easier than doing my ambient killer daily. And for the record, i’ve got 3 sets of gear just to wvw on my engie and two extras on my guard, mostly because i like to fiddle around with numbers.
I never said I assumed such things, he told me straight up he was using zerker gear when I asked. I genuinely do hope people gear correctly for WvW seasons, However that is not the reality. PvE players want to keep as much gold as they can, so they will enter with what they use— zerker in most cases.
I was simply making a point as how the OP said zerker players acted a lot of the time— and when this happened I thought of this thread.
Not to mention how much kitten the WvW tends to get from PvE players, not only INSIDE WvW, but on the forums and LA as well. Bite me for biting back a little
You did imply more than one person. As for biting back, almost all trash talk i’ve ever seen in these forums were from sPvP/WvW players directed towards the PvE crowd, but who cares they can’t dodge the freaking subject alpha if they can play condition damage warrior? At any rate, i don’t think this thread had anything to do with WvW anyways.
So, WvW people, do you see this guy, this one i quoted right there <points down> … ?
Don’t be like him. Do not assume people use the same build at PvE and WvW, don’t be like this guy.
Please keep zerker the norm for the duration of WvW leagues ANet, I will enjoy /laughing at all the PvE scrubs that think it make them /win all aspects of the game and then continue to party invite me and tell me my build is bad and I need to L2p gw2 even though they just died!
<3 you pve people, cant wait to see you in WvW for the season, make at least 15g off you a day im sure <3
Empowering might is ok, i mean, it’s not a bad trait, i use and like it, but there are better options if you’re not going pure of voice.
Any group member with you will trigger the +5% bonus damage from ranger runes, I know it’s odd but that’s how it works. As for burning, assuming you’re auto attacking with sword and not activating F1 to kill trash/proc vulnerability the two first hits will always get the bonus effect from burning (it procs every five hits, last sword auto count as 3). Also, shield of the avenger is the only cool (and useful) spirit weapon.
And now that i’ve written all of this, there’s something i’m not sure right now: What kind of gameplay are we talking about right now? Dungeons or open world content?
Ok i didn’t read past the OP, but can someone please confirm if i’m right or not?
OP doesn’t want to use zerk gear (fine by me), but he insists on joining groups asking for zerk gear so he can get kicked. He also thinks reporting someone that doesn’t want to play with him is a bannable offense. Lol.
I’m actually impressed by the fact that more than one person actually upvoted him.
No, you’re incorrect. I don’t want to use zerk gear. I do not insist on joining groups that ask for zerkers only. I join groups that do not say anything instead of “LFM AC part 2” and I get kicked in the middle of the dungeon because they find out I run cleric gear. I report people that keep kicking me in the middle of dungeons because of my gear. That is a reportable offense.
I was actually beginning to think I was the only sane person on these forums until Vayne and a few others came to my defense.
Then your problem has nothing to do with gear, it’s all about jerks, you should totally re-do this thread complaining about how the kicking system works.
Ummm… no, the thread is still about berserker gear and the elitists who kick anyone and everyone because they don’t run berserker gear. My argument is still relevant to zerkers and their elitist mentality.
So… could i make a thread about non-zerkers users and their care-bear mentality and lack of skill? See how bad it sounds? Yeah, it is the same with your posts.
Ok i didn’t read past the OP, but can someone please confirm if i’m right or not?
OP doesn’t want to use zerk gear (fine by me), but he insists on joining groups asking for zerk gear so he can get kicked. He also thinks reporting someone that doesn’t want to play with him is a bannable offense. Lol.
I’m actually impressed by the fact that more than one person actually upvoted him.
No, you’re incorrect. I don’t want to use zerk gear. I do not insist on joining groups that ask for zerkers only. I join groups that do not say anything instead of “LFM AC part 2” and I get kicked in the middle of the dungeon because they find out I run cleric gear. I report people that keep kicking me in the middle of dungeons because of my gear. That is a reportable offense.
I was actually beginning to think I was the only sane person on these forums until Vayne and a few others came to my defense.
Then your problem has nothing to do with gear, it’s all about jerks, you should totally re-do this thread complaining about how the kicking system works.
Ok i didn’t read past the OP, but can someone please confirm if i’m right or not?
OP doesn’t want to use zerk gear (fine by me), but he insists on joining groups asking for zerk gear so he can get kicked. He also thinks reporting someone that doesn’t want to play with him is a bannable offense. Lol.
I’m actually impressed by the fact that more than one person actually upvoted him.
What scares me is the fact that he actually got upvoted. Godkitten general discussion.
BTW Aberrant, i’m pretty sure no one has a problem with him playing whatever the way he wants… as long he joins groups that doesn’t cares about his gear/trait choices.
If you really want the extra % damage and RHS, use more 5 points on virtues (in most cases you’ll get about 5% more damage from it). You can drop five in honor and put’em in zeal for fiery wrath, or just run 30 in virtues.
You could also drop RHS, put fiery wrath again and five more into virtues, but you’ll have to run accuracy based runes (assuming you’re specing for damage, rune of the ranger is the best choice).I'm pretty sure you're actually more confused now.
AC2 is usually fine if you don’t mind some typing and using all 3 traps (according to pugs, damage is a mythical creature) and can play as guard or mesmer.
I’m actually having a better time with the LFG now, much better actually, when it first came out it was horrible, but now i’m getting pretty good pugs from time to time, and most pugs are willing to follow directions as well.
And that is why Guild Wars 2 is utterly stupid. Let me give you three types of people that play Guild Wars 2.
1. The people that have never played another mmorpg before.
2. The people that refuse to acknowledge GW2 failed at being an “mmorpg”.
3. The people that genuinely enjoy themselves and are content with it because they don’t see anything wrong with the game. Otherwise known as “Whiteknights”.
You seem to be under the number 2 and number 3 categories. In an mmorpg, you should not have to “adapt” unless there is a major nerf to your class, in which case you come up with a better version of your previous build. You cannot do this in GW2 when your build is nerfed into oblivion. You are forced into different builds that you do not like to play. GW2 is not an mmorpg and never will be… sorry to burst your bubble.
And who said i don’t see anything wrong with this game? I’ve got my fair share of things that i found stupid, i just don’t think that build variety is one of’em. Plus, no one is forcing you to play as X instead of Y, what nobody likes is when we ask for X, and then people like you join, using Y and thinking they have the right to be carried thru content by everyone else. Want to play Y? Fine, get a group of people playing Z, Y, B, A and C or whatever letter they want, instead of joining any group asking for X.
@Bold: Bullkitten, and that’s about it. All this “GW2 is not a MMORPG” is the most bullkitten argument i’ve ever came across in this entire forum.
Pretty sure only ele have that much access to blast finishers on the fly (with LH), so, even without FGS “glitch”, people would still use eles to stack might mid-fights and deal dps (because LH dps is higher than warrior’s, and will be even higher when they move empowered allies to t2).
Even with unscathed contender up, any melee weapon (aside from mace) will outdps scepter. It is more of a niche weapon like any other ranged weapon, PvE wise.
Also, if you’ve got problems with scholars because of the +90% health pre-req, try changing your build around a bit, and swaping to ranger’s runes, it appears all you need to get the +5% damage to trigger is a group member.
