Guild Wars 2

Lol…yet another one.

Eater of Peeps.9062:

To: Seera.5916:

Your’e right! All protest/complaint should be silenced! I should take my boot graciously, so everyone else can play comfortably.

A cmdr has the right to be unreasonably mean. Then, I can either silently sulk in a corner, my day ruined, or speak out, asking others to not support this type of elitist play that precludes people unreasonably. I chose the latter. Why should cmdrs/players cite my behavior as undesirable? Because theyr’e annoyed? I was annoyed. Everyone should be annoyed. This type of behavior should not be tolerated by anyone on a friendly, casual game. Its an excuse to engage in bullying/prejudice.

Yes, I’m vocal. I used forums/TC to state my op to make ppl aware of the egregious end effect (being booted as well as prejudicial bullying nature of the boot) of the cmdr’s intractable decision. It happened again last nite, btw, and its not 1st time I’ve been a recipient of this behavior from cmdrs in WvW. If more cmdrs want to block a silent good player from the entire WvW cmdr-led squad experience of game play (something I’m sure Anet doesn’t want), then so be it. If I am disliked for calling out another player’s poor decision while in a leadership role, so be it.

Let’s be clear:

I was polite and gracious, at 1st, with this cmdr and his support players. They name called 1st, which does in fact excuse any “name calling” I did back. If I lost your respect and others’ respect because I mildly responded to being told to go kill myself and called every disgusting name in the book via TC

Holy kitten snowflake. Maybe wvw isnt your thing? Plenty o other things to do. Yhere have been a tjoisand possibilities provided to in this thread. You know what. What happened to you was unfair and you have complained. You arent going to start a movement or a revolution. I understand you are upset but nothing will be done. There is no solution for you. Report commander for harrasment maybe let anet handle it. You are in a game mode that is inherantly unfair. Im sorry nothing can be done in here or in game unless you contact anet directly. I think this thread has covered every arguement.

kitten snowflakes are everywhere on these forums. So wvwers been asking for some reward for ranks for like 3 yrs finally it happens and pvers walk in day one and start complaining about unfair? Apparently you arent aware of how insulting that is. Its starting a job and asking for everyones salary to suddenly equal your starting pay.

We didnt farm the ranks there was no reason ever to farm ranks…farm ranks so I can do more damage with a catapult or carry more siege to help my team? These ranks were gotten for playing game mode and had basically no purpose beyond 1300. We still played because anet made a uniquely entertaining game mode that rewarded having fun together. All the pvers asking for handouts just to get their pve candy is really sad.

#notyourpvecandy

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Only 2% of the total population (115k players) of gw2 has rank 2000. The average rank of all players is rank 47. You could craft 3 full sets of legendary armor from raids before you could go from rank 0-2000 with no boosters. Please address this Anet.

Yeah but what percentage are wvw players? If 50% have no rank at all or 0 thats skews the distribution alot to try and make your point.

Hyper Cutter.9376:

PabbyGaul.9682:

Oh mighty Anet I thank thee. Thou hast starved the gluttonous insatiety of the candy questing pver in wvw through your stalwart defense of that which is unattainable by them. I feel soon they can return to their ummutable pveland to squish 5 frogs and pretend AI is the true end game. You have enriched us with their bags and we have bathed in their tears. Do not stray from the course lest these snowflakes stay and beg for wxp-train in map chat. In your name we pray… Anet.

I think Anet should drop the rank requirement down to zero, just to spite petty, smug people like this.

Ikr. Like when they removed wvw maps from gift of exploration. It was cute to hear the complain in mapchat but I had recieved money to take enemy points by pvers. Maybe same is in order. Pvers start paying tags for wxp training?

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Vavume.8065:

PabbyGaul.9682:

Oh mighty Anet I thank thee. Thou hast starved the gluttonous insatiety of the candy questing pver in wvw through your stalwart defense of that which is unattainable by them. I feel soon they can return to their ummutable pveland to squish 5 frogs and pretend AI is the true end game. You have enriched us with their bags and we have bathed in their tears. Do not stray from the course lest these snowflakes stay and beg for wxp-train in map chat. In your name we pray… Anet.

Love this

Its ok, I have faith that anet will nerf this.

And thats why Im here. Wvwers had generally been mystified by some changes anet made to wvw and it wasnt until you realize its the snowflakes that visit wvw forums and say stuff like…“not enough mobs in wvw we need more pve based events” we get crap like the cannon event on dbl.

Eater of Peeps.9062:

Rashagar.8349:

Puck.9612:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

Sarika.3756:

A commander is choosing to tag up. In their squad, it’s their rules. If the commander wants their squad in voice, that’s perfectly fine. You have a choice to join or not.

Not all voice comms are the same. Some are toxic, some aren’t. Please stop painting everyone with the same brush.

Play the way you want. Don’t join voice. But don’t be upset if that choice has consequences.

If you think voice doesn’t matter, then tag up and textmand. Set your own squad rules. That’s your choice, too.

If the commander wants their squad in TS, I have no choice. See the flaw in your logic? I have no choice. I cannot join, and that’s what I want, and their is no reason why I shouldn’t be allowed in to a non-full squad. I can’t play the I want. I am upset. Their rude choices made bad consequences for me and everyone else in TC that day. I can’t tag up – I don’t have 300 gold lying around. It’s not my choice. I don’t have it. I don’t want to lead a squad anyway. So now what? I go off to the corner to play some other mode or by myself? Well, how great for me and everyone else similarly situated.

So you should be allowed to play the way you want but the commander shouldn’t be allowed to play the way he wants? That sounds pretty kittening selfish.

That’s always seemed like a particularly stupid argument when I hear it trotted out.
“I want everyone around me to play my way” and “I want to play my own way” are not the same degree of “want”.

I want to play the game the way it was designed and intended to be played by those who purchased the game. I don’t want to be excluded from advertised content because some elitist joker decides he wants to ban people prejudicially (especially when the squad is not full). I don’t want anyone to play my way. I want to play the game in my own way. I want you to play the game in your own way. But I want to able to play what you play, especially when there is zero sum gain/no negative effect if I am in a not-full squad w/o TS or I am running solo beside it w/o TS – I do the same thing either way but get no protections, which makes me die, which ends the heals, which hurts the zerg, which fails the server goal. Makes no sense.

Also, the commander is the one who wants everyone around him to “play his own way (while he plays his own way as well).” I’m afraid its the same degree of want (coercion maybe better?), and its one-sided from the commander. As far as I’m concerned, the commander can play any way he wants, as long as it doesn’t infringe on my right to play too. And if it does, which apparently Anet condones, I will keep calling this rude and demeaning behavior out each time I am subjected to it because its bad form without regard for the feelings of others.

You are infringing on my right to play well.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

PabbyGaul.9682:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

PabbyGaul.9682:

Oh mighty Anet I thank thee. Thou hast starved the gluttonous insatiety of the candy questing pver in wvw through your stalwart defense of that which is unattainable by them. I feel soon they can return to their ummutable pveland to squish 5 frogs and pretend AI is the true end game. You have enriched us with their bags and we have bathed in their tears. Do not stray from the course lest these snowflakes stay and beg for wxp-train in map chat. In your name we pray… Anet.

LOL. Piece of advice – get over yourself. The person (OP) you’re complaining about has played gw 1 and 2 since beta in all forms and will kitten you all over the map. Pretty sure last time I saw him, he was standing over ur avatar corpse.

Im not the squad reject crying about ts asking for what? The commanders to let you in squad because you think your useful? You must be buddies with OP cuz yer both entitled snowflakes that want ppl to change the way they play game so you can play the way you want. Piece of advice – get over your insecurities and post this stuff in the pve forum where it belongs.

entitled snowflakes lol? that statement sums up who you are nicely, i got all the information I need about whom im arguing with w/that. I would hold up a mirror and look at yourself, especially when talking about the insecurities of others. What your really getting at is how you feel insecure about your wvw reward and how you dont want other people encroaching on your “prestige.” This is why you are so vehemently against this, because it threatens your work. Yet at the same time you disregard any other players accomplishments or work because according to you their accomplishments don’t mean anything to you. This is because you don’t have many accomplishments in other game modes and are insecure about the only one you do, having high wvw rank, which arguably is not that much of an accomplishment in gw2.

Its ok wvw will always be YOUR safe space from the rest of gw2 in its entirety. big bad pvers and spvpers will soon leave as soon as they figure out the grind is so ridiculous and you can be all by yourself again. I’ll wait for your next post, further insulting me by calling me pve carebear noob, and yet u have no idea who I am or what game modes I play on gw2.

Yes, thats the plan. WvW is not a content map you grind for rewards and then whine at anet to make new content for you. If ppl come and join and find it enjoyable those are the kind of players that wvw needs not the ones that just grind for rewards. Its the journey man not the destination.

Phantom.8130:

PabbyGaul.9682:

Phantom.8130:

neven.3785:

Phantom.8130:

neven.3785:

You seem to be fixating on a player you rarely see. A thief who specs for front line and plays for it. What I often see is thieves complaining about no stab, but being down 600 range in front of the commander. Funny Hong is this happens when they are in a decent party a comp too. They whine how glass they need to go to generate downs and so they become downed every fight and blame group comp. Most competent thieves I know have moved to other classes when they join a group more than 5.

So good on our for being a single competent thief amongst the 20 on map wasting a queue slot

You rarely see them because most people are slaves to meta, and can only think in terms of GREN, and that thieves are only good for roaming/ganking/pick teams. So people end up pigeon holed due to misinformation being spread. If people actually bothered to learn what the classes outside of GREN were capable of, and promoted accurate information, you’d see a change in approach. But as long as people come into the map and say ’I’m on a thief/ranger, what should I be running?" and they get told full zerk, cause you’re a roaming class", that’s all that you’ll see. And for the record, not even pick thieves should be running zerk gear. They should be running a mix of Cav and Valk so that they don’t melt in all the AoE that’s getting tossed around.

It’s hard enough to get most people to change a build, good luck teaching a random pug who doesn’t even solicit for advice. But I do agree that there are solutions outside the meta, I run 2 of my 3 wvw ele builds completely outside of meta.

Perhaps your personal issue is being with commanders/lieutenants who are not familiar with you. Your solution would be to ask for lieutenant so other lieutenants won’t move you personally. I often see randoms getting it to sort parties for the commander and often they fall into the ignorant self absorbed mentality who only know how to repeat what they hear.

I know on Maguuma there is a small percentage rate of thieves and rangers who generally are accepted by the veterans since they live and contribute,. But these rarely are in the raid they stick to themselves.

The other day, I spent 20 minutes just tinkering around on one of the build editor site, and ended up with zerg viable builds for both rangers and engis, even though I’ve never played either class. This isn’t some personal gripe. This is 50% of the classes being used as cannon fodder because people don’t bother to learn how they work. And then looking down on everyone who plays those classes. So rather than actually trying to help them, they end up driving them off. WvW needs all of the players it can get. The patch was a nice boost, but it’s mostly temporary. The last thing we need are people actively murdering the playerbase because they only understand how half the classes in the game work.

You should join a guild…be a good commander in the current meta to your guild of atleast 50 ppl. Then convince them of your build ideas and the demonstrate in wvw and gvg those changes = success. Word hets out congrats you have forever change wvw and educated and enlightened at the same time. Till then yer a noWxp good idea fairy. Dont even run the classes? Cmon man.

Or, I can keep doing what I’m doing, and be able to train hundreds, if not thousands, of people, including dozens of commanders on my server. Problems tend to arise when new commanders come in, have no clue what the lay of the land is, declare they know best, fail miserably, and destroy what’s been built. In the month and a half that I’ve been back in the game since a 10 month hiatus, I’ve been making good strides to undo the damage that was done by people who thought they knew a lot more than they actually did.

Gl with that jesusmander. Pugs have daily amnesia. Look forward to seeing yer meta on the field as i hope everyday we will get to stop having to fight under a res umbrella while raining full epi’d condies. Something new to fight would be a nice change. Unfortunately its not the new tags you gotta worry about. As dps becomes more one sided your options start narrowing. GREN is meta because it wins hundreds and thousands of fighhts everyday. Its natural selection not bias. They nerf warbanner…GRWEN becomes GREN. As a commander you should have characters as most professions or have someone help you out in your theorycrafting else your builds might look good on builder.com but are unplayable due to no reliable timing such as celestial avatar. Im all for experimentation and guilds guild arenas and gvg are the best places to test your ideas. Sharing build ideas with pugs and then expecting zvz to parse out the details is unlikey to gain any ground. You could also troll metabattle with them and ppl will try and provide feed back. Ive been commanding since 2013, pugmanded, guildmanded, gvg and trained servers. Yeah it all works and guess what..when you take your next hiatus….

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

PabbyGaul.9682:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Osu.6307:

I love these "I’m a great wvw player so why oh why do I get kicked for playing a roaming class (ranger, thief, engi, mesmer). You are playing a roaming class. Go ROAM! If you really wanted to zerg, you would play a zerg class. Good commanders will allow crappy guardians into squad and kick amazing rangers, WHICH SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING!!!

so much for play the game your way. I will rebut this by saying that I think its funny that anyone would take wvw seriously in 2017 when there are no rewards or anything gained really by getting rank 1 server at the end of the week.

Welcome to Burger Commander may I take your order.

So, you’d like to the BK Boons and a little stab on the side.

That will be one GREN class.

Hold the stab and boons… okay that will be ranger or thief pull forward.

TLDR: Have it your way but dont expect the cost to be other than market price.

i have no idea what u just said

Inc to u 1 pve spawncamping themselves. You wont until you git gud and l2pwvw for 1000garris else git rekt as rallybot pve scrub.

Oh mighty Anet I thank thee. Thou hast starved the gluttonous insatiety of the candy questing pver in wvw through your stalwart defense of that which is unattainable by them. I feel soon they can return to their ummutable pveland to squish 5 frogs and pretend AI is the true end game. You have enriched us with their bags and we have bathed in their tears. Do not stray from the course lest these snowflakes stay and beg for wxp-train in map chat. In your name we pray… Anet.

Najten.2418:

My issue is not with the rewards themselves, and the grind would be fine if it was the same for everyone.. Like if it was only about grinding the tickets, because that’s gonna take quite a few hours of active gameplay in itself.. but it’s not.

The Raid Grind for Legendary Armor is the same for everyone, if you and I both start raiding tonight we will get the Legendary Armor for the same ammount of work. I don’t get anything special in there for having PvE:d the past 5 years..

If we both head in to Fractals tonight to farm the Ascended Armor there, or the Legendary Backpack, the grind is the same, we’d both need an equal ammount of runs and effort no matter what we did before we started..

If we want the PvP Backpack; ok you might have to “grind” PvP Rank 20 if you’ve never set foot in there; but that would take tops 239 games in Unranked and that’s if you lose every.. single.. one… which is highly unlikely. But say you are that terrible at playing, or just have the worst luck in gaming history; it’d take you around 60 hours if all games last the full 15 minutes (also not very likely). So about the same time as grinding the Diamond Chest for a new player on a losing server? Not unreasonable..

But WvW? No they need to be rewarded for “past work”. Not only do they get more pips and faster chest rewards, they also need their “special armor” locked behind an unreasonably high WvW Rank requirement.
Sure, you can see it as a reward for past work and claim you worked for it so you deserve it, but then why was my reward for past work taken away? I’m looking at you here GoB vendor! My past work should not be rewarded, but yours should?

To top it off there’s the regulars with the attitudes that “Do you want WvW stuff? Well grind WvW then.. It will take you a year, or two? Well suck it up!” but when the same individuals are “forced” to go into another game mode for a few days to farm something (HoT Runes for instance) it’s all “boo hoo you’re making me PvE for this/that and that’s just not fair!” and what did ANet do? Add those PvE Runes to WvW vendors..

If all game modes were equally separated, it would be fine.. But they’re not.
I do PvP; I get PvP and PvE Rewards.
I do WvW; I get WvW and PvE Rewards.
I do PvE; I get PvE Rewards. Well, I do get Badges of Honor every once in a while for reaching milestone AP-rewards (rarely at my AP though), but what could I get with those up until this patch? Funny enough, mostly items also available in PvE! There are ofc the two previously unique to WvW Armor sets (that not many mention in these threads though, since “WvW had nothing unique”), and before it was removed, the Gift of Battle.. but that’s it.

We’ll see where I am on the WvW Rank requirement after completing the work for the much less “special” Legendary WvW Backpack.. Peace!

All rewards are “PvE” rewards. If we didnt get in wvw there just wouldnt be any rewards. There was never WvW armor or WvW weapons. Mystforged from tournaments? Thats y our idea of wvw rewards? Dude your post reads like this.

“All my pve time has gotten me “great new stuff”(gns). Im sorry wvw didnt allow you to get gns sorry you played wrong game mode. Wait wvw now has gns i want gns but it requires i play gamemode for 2k hours. Wait why doesnt my pve 2k hours also apply to wvw 2k hours so i can have 4k hours of even more gns? This is unfair anet please nerf"

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Osu.6307:

I love these "I’m a great wvw player so why oh why do I get kicked for playing a roaming class (ranger, thief, engi, mesmer). You are playing a roaming class. Go ROAM! If you really wanted to zerg, you would play a zerg class. Good commanders will allow crappy guardians into squad and kick amazing rangers, WHICH SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING!!!

so much for play the game your way. I will rebut this by saying that I think its funny that anyone would take wvw seriously in 2017 when there are no rewards or anything gained really by getting rank 1 server at the end of the week.

Welcome to Burger Commander may I take your order.

So, you’d like to the BK Boons and a little stab on the side.

That will be one GREN class.

Hold the stab and boons… okay that will be ranger or thief pull forward.

TLDR: Have it your way but dont expect the cost to be other than market price.

usnedward.9023:

Let me be clear lol. I am not deaf I have a certain hearing loss that does not allow me to hear at certain levels. I can use TS but volume levels need to be to high that everyone in the house would go nuts. I have tried earbuds, muffs and what have you but it is too cumbersome and NOT recommended due to volume that is needed. If no one is home I will use it but rarely is that the case and so I play without TS. If it is needed I move along as there are always others to run with and I am not going to whine out there about it as my issues doesn’t need to be in the game and I deal with it.

Some of the worst commanders people complain about actually are some of the better commanders I run with with no issue. I apologize this has taken over the OP so let’s get back to the topic. TS or other software like it need to be in game without a doubt. Not everyone will use it because they don’t want to, can’t or for whatever reason. The more in TS the less death by typing happens. Most commanders I run with I am familiar with their path and how they do things so I cope with it all by following the pin.

We have a guildie who is completely deaf and doesnt feel the need to be on ts either so there are always extenuating circumstances

Venomshare + Necro well bomb = Ratwells….Some meta are better left dead. I reccomend you delete this topic bedore its too late.

Phantom.8130:

neven.3785:

Phantom.8130:

neven.3785:

You seem to be fixating on a player you rarely see. A thief who specs for front line and plays for it. What I often see is thieves complaining about no stab, but being down 600 range in front of the commander. Funny Hong is this happens when they are in a decent party a comp too. They whine how glass they need to go to generate downs and so they become downed every fight and blame group comp. Most competent thieves I know have moved to other classes when they join a group more than 5.

So good on our for being a single competent thief amongst the 20 on map wasting a queue slot

You rarely see them because most people are slaves to meta, and can only think in terms of GREN, and that thieves are only good for roaming/ganking/pick teams. So people end up pigeon holed due to misinformation being spread. If people actually bothered to learn what the classes outside of GREN were capable of, and promoted accurate information, you’d see a change in approach. But as long as people come into the map and say ’I’m on a thief/ranger, what should I be running?" and they get told full zerk, cause you’re a roaming class", that’s all that you’ll see. And for the record, not even pick thieves should be running zerk gear. They should be running a mix of Cav and Valk so that they don’t melt in all the AoE that’s getting tossed around.

It’s hard enough to get most people to change a build, good luck teaching a random pug who doesn’t even solicit for advice. But I do agree that there are solutions outside the meta, I run 2 of my 3 wvw ele builds completely outside of meta.

Perhaps your personal issue is being with commanders/lieutenants who are not familiar with you. Your solution would be to ask for lieutenant so other lieutenants won’t move you personally. I often see randoms getting it to sort parties for the commander and often they fall into the ignorant self absorbed mentality who only know how to repeat what they hear.

I know on Maguuma there is a small percentage rate of thieves and rangers who generally are accepted by the veterans since they live and contribute,. But these rarely are in the raid they stick to themselves.

The other day, I spent 20 minutes just tinkering around on one of the build editor site, and ended up with zerg viable builds for both rangers and engis, even though I’ve never played either class. This isn’t some personal gripe. This is 50% of the classes being used as cannon fodder because people don’t bother to learn how they work. And then looking down on everyone who plays those classes. So rather than actually trying to help them, they end up driving them off. WvW needs all of the players it can get. The patch was a nice boost, but it’s mostly temporary. The last thing we need are people actively murdering the playerbase because they only understand how half the classes in the game work.

You should join a guild…be a good commander in the current meta to your guild of atleast 50 ppl. Then convince them of your build ideas and the demonstrate in wvw and gvg those changes = success. Word hets out congrats you have forever change wvw and educated and enlightened at the same time. Till then yer a noWxp good idea fairy. Dont even run the classes? Cmon man.

Public traing events are excellent. I have always had very good turnouts people are generally willing to learn. If commanders community leaders got time for that it works for non compllicated basics. I have found that wvw guilds are much better places to teach and learn especially with ts. I also a bit biasd these days since I stopped pugmanding in 2014 and mostly only command guildies.

Note there are just bad commanders. They try to strong arm ppl into ts and then give vague commands or worse yet…on me on me…over here over here….fight….I guess I would rather listen to music too or maybe troll them in m chat (just a little). Noone is saying you must get in ts with every commander.

The best response might be "i was and you sucked so I have decided to farm pips and plug que as a public service to all my server mates who might have the uunfortunate experience of listening to your useless prattle. " rather than creating a philisophical debate about a eutopian wvw community.

Also some tags will insist that lack of victory is their group comp and lack of ts. If you are pugmanding and you can tell that the nuggety center of the blob you are facing is a 25man condi bomb guild and you have a pile of rangers and thieves no ts is gonna help you win that fight. If someone ask why you wont just push and kill them all tell them to go get on a class that has abilities other than “explode on engage 1s cd”.

Tldr. If being in ts works for you great. If you dont use ts dont complain about losing or defensive tactics.

Get hearing aid…turn up the tags mic, lower all volume…right click menus

Phantom.8130:

neven.3785:

You seem to be fixating on a player you rarely see. A thief who specs for front line and plays for it. What I often see is thieves complaining about no stab, but being down 600 range in front of the commander. Funny Hong is this happens when they are in a decent party a comp too. They whine how glass they need to go to generate downs and so they become downed every fight and blame group comp. Most competent thieves I know have moved to other classes when they join a group more than 5.

So good on our for being a single competent thief amongst the 20 on map wasting a queue slot

You rarely see them because most people are slaves to meta, and can only think in terms of GREN, and that thieves are only good for roaming/ganking/pick teams. So people end up pigeon holed due to misinformation being spread. If people actually bothered to learn what the classes outside of GREN were capable of, and promoted accurate information, you’d see a change in approach. But as long as people come into the map and say ’I’m on a thief/ranger, what should I be running?" and they get told full zerk, cause you’re a roaming class", that’s all that you’ll see. And for the record, not even pick thieves should be running zerk gear. They should be running a mix of Cav and Valk so that they don’t melt in all the AoE that’s getting tossed around.

As a guildmander ill experiment, take my guoldies performance into consideration have a chat ect. As a chatmander there isnt time to iinvestigate the feasabilitybof someones build. Why would they tell youbthe truth anyway. Point being if you want to be in a squad and run your rngr/teef then join a guild that tags. That way you can get some individual attention maybe change the meta? But to cry and limit cmdr options or complain when tags already havr so many decisions to make its unrealistic. As a chatmander Ill accept anyone and move ppl around and i am unlikely to put a bunch of rangers and thieves i nto their own group unless they are disproportionate, which has happened. I dont put more than one of either thief or ranger into a group unless I have to. If Im guildmanding Rangers are included on a case by case basis but noone in the guild will ever complain if they end up in the pick group cuz they arent noobs.

Awesome. Good for them. Post pic!

Map specific Pips? So Pips and participation in different counters..tier 6 participation in ebg for 5 pips still ticks in other bls if you just afk. If you move to outnumbered bl tier 0 participation no outnumbered pips until mapnspecific participation level is reached the you earn outnumbered pips. Any conflicts by using current map participation/pip reward is highest not cumulative.

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Noone is going to fix this for you. Imagine a solution..either anet forces commanders to accept whatever joins their squad…imagine the outcry. Or you convince these commanders that your contribution is significant….highly unlikely. Every now and again a newbie makes a post like this. I am sorry but classism in this instance is defined by utility of the class if you would like someone to blame consider the Anet, them who have created the exclusionaru conditions of your class in t his game mode. Welcome to wvw.

Crapmanders, Assmanders, and Jesusmanders all exist. Its the ppl on the server and what they are willing to tolerate creates the types you get. Im always entertained by t1 commanders that drop down in tiers and throw tantrums in chat because people would rather lose than follow an kitten. Different servers have different flavors. Some servers always singlemand maps other servers have mostly guildmanders, some have primarily servermanders, ect… My reccomendation is follow the tags you like and if there arent any and you are new to wvw you best find a server with a more pleasant community now because it maybe a server culture thing.

Najten.2418:

KiloCharlieRomeo.1874:

WvW’ers were forced to do PvE or PvP to get specific ascended since ever. You still have RNGsus to get rings & chests. But for WvW-spec gear… please do not whine. It is a reward to those who spent their time (and lot of it) in the game-mode. If ancient roamers/scouts complain I can understand it but most of this thread it’s folks whining who just put a foot in the game-mode. Personally, came to wvw in 2013ish, gone EoTM for approx 50 ranks and am today 2.5k+ without that much of effort. “good amount of wvw since launch and am rank 364 with about 360 hrs in wvw” Redefine “good amount” and/or effectiveness please.

Exactly what are you forced to do in PvE (except exploring the map itself…)?

You get so much salvagable loot in WvW that I’ve maxed out my bank on several mats in less than a week (I can only deposit 1000 of each mat but yeah)..
There were crafting tables IN WvW up until a year ago (correct me if I’m wrong?), so you didn’t even have to set foot outside WvW to craft any Ascended gear your little hearts desired.
Then there’s Trinkets/Rings/Amulets for sale in WvW.

You can even get a bunch of previously “PvE exclusive” things in there.. Like Dungeon Armors and Weapons, PvE Sigils and Runes, PvE Map Meta Rewards etc.. All to save you poor souls from ever having to set foot in the dirty dirty world of PvE should you choose not to..

Spoken like a true wvw noob. I suggest you read historical posts. There is about 800 some pages of reward complaints. Reward tracks, updated gathering nodes, 90% of all crafting components, unique armor and weapons almost all the rewards you know see had only been added to wvw years YEARs after they were in pve. Reward tracks…last year?

Najten.2418:

Maureen Adaal.3412:

Najten.2418:

Maureen Adaal.3412:

Felipe.1807:

ZiggyStardust.3194:

phokus.8934:

If the time to get other legendary backpacks were equal this wouldn’t be an issue. This really sets a bad precedent for future items in WvW because they’re essentially devaluing the game play by overhauling the item and its requirements.

Majority of wvw players are happy as it’s, just pvers complaining. old wvwers would like to see even rank limit you have to reach before entering main wvw maps.

Majority of players you say? I would love to see on what are you actually basing your statistics…from my experience, in game i havent found a single player who is actually happy about this changes, and is really easy to understand why is that, on its core its extremely unfair ….. snip

Two things:

1) people vote with their actions. If nobody is happy with the update then why are there queues all over the place? This morning at 10 we had an EBG queue of 30! In the evening all bl’s and EBG have queues of 30 min – 2 hours.

2) people leaving WvW because some of the rewards take a long time to get? Just not happening. The Ultimate Dominator title is out of reach for almost everybody, and no one is comlaining about that.

Because a lot of people (and seemingly devs in particular) seem to confuse things people will put themselves through for a reward, with what they ENJOY doing. In a certain other game I did a whole lot of dungeon grinding every week to max out a currency to be able to boost my gear’s stats by 10 iLvls. Did I have to do it? No. Did my guild NEED me to do it? No, we already had everything on farm. Does doing it mean I enjoyed it? No. So why did I do it? Cuz “10 iLvls is shiny dude!” and not doing it would be equaled to “slacking”. People complained about this mechanic like crazy. It was still reintroduced in the next expansion cuz “people loved it last time!”.. No, people did it. They didn’t love doing it. There’s a difference.

Same thing for earning WvW Ranks now. I will get to rank 2000 if I have to, but being on a pretty toxic WvW server I most of the time will not enjoy doing it. I’ve already disabled Team chat cuz it’s so full of hate towards “newbies” and “PvE plebs” and “zomg PvE:ers go k*ll yourselves” nonsense..

And for anyone saying “Well WvW:ers want special things too, they deserve to be rewarded for all their work!”: Does that mean you agree that the next PvE “specific” item requires you to have 20k AP to obtain? You already have WvW specific titles etc.. Now you have some really awesome rewards too (otherwise us “PvE plebs” wouldn’t come into WvW to obtain them).. But you seem to confuse “unique to WvW” with “only super duper hardcore and have been for years should be allowed to have them”. This attitude doesn’t really exist in the other game modes, so I’m a bit confused as to why WvW:ers seems to think they’re such a special group.

So you want to grind 2 years for a ascended armor in a game mode you do not like?

Imho the point of these high rank requiremens is especially that it turns off grinders, and rewards players that like to play WvW. If you like it you will get the rewards eventually and it will not feel like a grind.

That you chose to play an “unrewarding” game mode exclusively for years because (I’m assuming here) YOU ENJOYED IT ANYWAY does not entitle you to anything more than someone that chose to dedicate their time to another game mode.

What…You mean regardless of the game mode I should get same rewards. If only that wasnt what wvw’ers had been asking for over the last 4 yrs. Where all my pve legendaries?

Shiren.9532:

Thustlewhumber.7416:

PabbyGaul.9682:

The 2k rewards arent for new players. #notyourpvecandy

If I could upvote, I would

IMHO they need to RAISE the requirement to at least 3k on the T3 armor. It is a reward for those who have actually put in the time/effort, not for those wanting a new shiny. There needs to be something that distinguishes veteran WvW players from fair-weather players with entitlement issues.

If you want the T1 Triumphant armor set, you can already get it easy enough through the WvW rewards track. It should take you about 2 weeks to get a full set, tops.

What about the scouts, upgraders and yak escorts, keep siegersand tappers, and home BL camp flippers? They will have much lower WvW ranks than someone who ktrains or people who sit between SM and a keep fighting zergs yet they are some of the most important, hardcore and dedicated WvW players in the game.

Why don’t they deserve to be able to purchase the prestige WvW armor when their contribution to a server is often far greater than any one person in a zerg who has a much higher Wxp yield?

It’s not OK that the current rank requirement unfairly disciminates against low Wxp yielding roles in WvW which were already marginalised by WvW rewards. Now many players are having to choose between working towards the rank requirement for the game mode they are objectively hardcore players of, or performing the vital server role they have done up til now with far less reward.

Thread is full of ppl that do exactly those things and are sufficient rank. Your main point which you keep reiterating is just not true. Dozens of ppl have already posted in this thread pointing out that they perform those jobs and are fine with rank and rewards. Its in how you play. Using a couple of posts to try amd prove your point only illustrates your propensity to get want you want using someone elses hard work. Do you scout, upgrade towers, walk yaks, and protect camps? You dont know the first thing about what drives these people to do their work. Marginalized? Discriminates? So your fig hting for the disenfranchised now? You’re a server justice warrior? Where were you to campaign against such marginalization and discrimination over the last 4,3,2,1 years? You didnt know it existed? Oh, you were living in pve land until someone told you yoi had mesothelioma and you could get in on this class action lawsuit? Lol you goals are pretty transparent and your actions betray your premise. #notyourpvecandy.

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charrboiledeggs.8164:

Currently the pip system rewards those that run around in 50+ man blobs. And those that do not have high populations get punished by not rewarding as many pips as the blobs. Roamers get even more punished for not blobbing. The only way to get outnumbered extra pip is erroneous cuz of the requirements in order to be outnumbered.
why does anet continue to reward bad gameplay and blobbing and punish those that choose not to blob?
And before its said, “this is a group oriented game” It is also played by players that choose not to group up and to cater to only the blobbers is unfair to the rest.

You should tell your server to blob more. Whisper enemy commanders and call them names and ask to 1v1.

Ever heard of server stacking? Your alternative suggestion would cause this and every wvw’er knows server stacking sucks.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

PabbyGaul.9682:

The 2k rewards arent for new players. #notyourpvecandy

what makes you think i pve only? I fully intend to grind to 2k, but i think its really gross and wrong. when I get to 2k I will remember to come back and reiterate on how i thought the grind is disgusting and is very unfair to new players or anyone else who has gotten used to the casual play style of gw 2. I really hope they do lower this, If i wanted to play a grindy mmo I would go play black desert online, or go back to final fantasy 11 the king of all grindy games where I started. So calling me a pve noob is not only not true, I would question whether you even have any idea how grindy an mmo can become.

furthermore why do you even defend it? If they lowered it to 1k it would not affect you at all, you would still get it. Acting like it cheapens your prestige is a joke since wvw rank is most associated with pvd not actual wvw zerg, havoc, or roaming which I would argue is the heart and soul of wvw. So why do you care?

I wil explain you mighht get it you might not.

1. Anet knows how long it takes. Thats why these rewards arent for fairweathers or candy seeking pve’ers. The rank wasnt set as a goal post for noobs it was a reward for vets. I fully believe that and I think alot of others do as well.

2. If you accept 1 then you can understand that a reward is based on value and value on an individual level is preception and access, rarity. If you reduce rank requirment you reduce rarity amd you reduce the reward. So its kinda like you are coming into a job as a new employee and asking the boss to lower the bonuses being given to faithful employees that helped build the company.

3. If you understand 2 you might understand that despite my high rank and ability to get these shinies I will likely never put in that kind of effort outside of wvw. If it happens great. I have sold every precursor I have been given to pay for sieg a to the guild to build siege. It bothers me because I understand how given 1 people feel happy and how you asking for #2 craps on their cake and in reality only to benefit your desire to seek a reward that wasnt intended for players that had not or will not play the game mode but instead want to grind the game mode. And these people in #1 are my comrades whom I have fought with, for ,and against for the last 4 years and even though I dont give a kitten I am here defending their right to do so.

4. If you dont get 3 you dont get wvw.

Linked to account…dont see why its not possible. It would also reduce an awful lot of the animosity created when there is a large influx of wvw-naive players. Mostly its irritating that there are so many awful suggestions and given anet’s propensity to cater to pve suggestions its a bit terrifying. Providing a wvw’er opinion on the explosion of pve’er complaints and terrible suggestions is like having a fulltime job. Given my recent string of private messages this may well be my last post. VIVE LA WVW DO NOT GO QUIETLY INTO PVE-LAND

Anet please dont take advice from these ppl.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Look at the party composition of this squad, notice anything about druids, thieves and warriors? – #notwanted – which is gross, anet should balance this, or make it so commanders cant kick

Its things like this that make wvw’ers have to come on forums and explain why anet shouldnt take concept ideas about wvw from pve’ers.

The 2k rewards arent for new players. #notyourpvecandy

Okay well if its a personal religious thing I can respect that. Maybe Anet could just move LA to the mists. That might be easier

I dont care as long as my higher rank gets me my rewards faster than noobs and it makes them cry trying….

What!? its Inventory…“i” bags doesnt make any sense. Next thin you gonna tell me is that your inventory is all bags, boxes, and backpacks inwhich case “b” doesnt even have anything to do with those things….

Love it…1 pip per participating guildie -_-

Zalavaaris.5329:

PabbyGaul.9682:

Black Frog.9274:

If you click that little icon in the top bar, select a map, and it loads… you’re a WvW’er.

Lol no…real wvw’ers hit “b” .

Gasp what about people who bind their bag to b?!?

No wvw’er would do such a thing. The reason we dont click icon is because we could accidentally end up somewhere othere than wvw. Without “b” key we are lost.

Black Frog.9274:

If you click that little icon in the top bar, select a map, and it loads… you’re a WvW’er.

Lol no…real wvw’ers hit “b” .

Use t chat outnumbered calls to open maps so guild can get in..works like a charm.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Odokuro.5049:

Lets look at the time required to get to rank 2000 compared to the time required to craft the gear yourself. WvWrs have been looking for a way to get their hands on Ascended armor/weapons, only to be given a means that far far exceeds what is expected in the PvErs world.

a scale for T1 to T3 such as Rank 250 – Rank 500 – Rank 1000, would be better. This would still required time and effort in WvW to obtain, and be more, “Feasible” for newcomers to work towards.

Because in the end, isn’t one of the reason for these rewards, gear, back-item, to get more people into WvW? Is that not a good thing, I would think so.

This is exactly how I feel, When I logged on and saw the armor, I got all excited like wow I’m gonna go play wvw and I’m sure the reward will be reasonable to get like every other reward in the game. Then when I saw that it was rank 2k I felt a sinking feeling like really? Instead of wanting to play wvw and earn the reward i felt frustrated and repulsed about the entire game.

Lol

I knew bg was bad but didnt think it was that bad.

Lol that is terrible idea because it gives a blob a huge and uneccesary strategic advantage when they likely already have a numerical one. The disadvantage of a blob is its mobility and this would take away the natural advantage a smaller more skilled group has. Just use your cc

Lol sorry typing on phone

In the beginning commanders generally did most of the work bringing zergs to build siege, spending money to upgrade objectives, the scouts came later and mostly to help the tags out, there developed a bond between cmdrs and their scouts and dedenders. Anet didnt really begin rewarding this activity till much later and there are different levels of scouting. There have been on ocassion ppl paid to do nothing but sit in a tower and do norhing else. There are alot od scouts that do have hogh ranks but these are mostly roaming scouts. They will leve the nest to flip a camp, assist in the defense or recaap od a tower, flip an enemy camp amd emgage in small scale combat over owned camps. Not to say that both types arent helpful theyvare both incredibly helpful but Anet system does award inactivity as much as it does activity so I can see how there is suchba discrepemcy amomg roamers and scouts. The paryicipant status can be given to squad members and they will recieve rewards frombthe squad even of they are nowhere near the action. I woild say if you feel like you arent ranking fast enoigj for your wvw scouting defending efforts join squad and tell tag you woild like participant status.

Ppl coming to wvw for rewards r going to leave wvw again either way. Rewards dont sustain wvw game mode. If that was the case it woild have been dead years ago…years ago. So the areguement that decreasing time to said rewards will “save” the game mode is just shortsighted. If you’ve been a wvw’er you’ve seen this like clockwork. All of it is extremely predicatable. If you wanna “save” the game mode fix balance rewards arent going to do it.

On another note though. Zerg busting is back in style at least while the reward swarms last. Really enjoying the changes. Omg the bags lol.