Guild Wars 2

phys.7689:

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

Here is my perspective:

I leveled to FOTM 80 because it was the only content in the game that I found moderately difficult and enjoyable. I didn’t have a set group, but usually leveled with a mix of friends and a mix of pugs. It was a lot of time, very little proportional reward, but a whole lot of fun.

The clutch moments on level 79 shaman where the 4/5 people die and one person manages to res the rest… that was why I played high level fractals. I enjoyed it.

Looking at the new changes, I am hesitantly disappointed. I know I’ll have to test out the new levels 30-50 before I can fully judge, but from what the developers have been saying you can get to level 50 with less AR than before, and the overall difficulty curve from 1-50 has been lowered. The devs said they’d open up levels 50+ in the future, but not now.

I’ve waited over a year for them to “re-officially” open 50+. I quit the game a while back due to school, and was really looking forward to this patch to maybe bring me back in. But instead of a new challenge being opened to the rest of the player base, the cap on 50 is still in place, and from what the devs said, the content has been dumbed down a bit.

As it stands now, this really isn’t encouraging me personally to come back to the game.

I was one of the people who played from 50-80 not for the rewards, but for the challenge and fun and yes, admittedly, a bit of guild prestige. I don’t care about the leaderboards, don’t care about the rewards, and don’t care about the “new” fractal if it’s going to be easy. I want the dungeon that they said, and now are saying again, has “infinite” levels, that increases in difficulty, so I can challenge myself and have some fun in the process.

Edit: Also, if and when they open 50+, if it requires AR grind, I’ll never enter the dungeon again.

i get what your saying, and it actually saddens me they are making it easier, the loss of the ever increasing difficulty sucks.

Dont get the last part though, fractals were set up from jump to be a AR grind, not a bad one imo, but AR grind none the less, why would they take that away now?
also, Mr Ordon said the level 50 fractal has the AR requirement for 50-59, so shouldnt be that bad really

The Point is Since the Progress is now geargated and I already was way beyond the gear where it was gated in fractals as 81.. I can tell the Content isn’t that hard.. no Comes the tricky part… if they could tell me for sure that nobody will get in less than 3 months too scale 50 and this is not based on gear but on skill I might even consider playing it… but I expect as every hard Content in the game ( I have done all even light up the dark) to not be as hard as they say.. if they say.. the difficulty for 40-50 is like 50-60 before … I already know and overcome this difficulty without even wiping 1 fractal at this Level or resetting stuff or whatever… just did it cause I needed…

I was hoppning for an infinite not geargated dungeon so Players can Play as high as they can than leaderboards would make sence because the ppl with the higheest Level have overcome highest challenge but… meh a geargated dungeon that gets personal Levels resetted and isn’t partialli as hard as they clame is really not what I expected

I enjoyed the idea so I get to the Limit.. as it stands I will have 20 Levels of boring grind at a difficulty way below of what I did … and than wait again .. ? so why do you take this away from me?

Kilandros.2098:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Kilandros.2098:

1. You leveled up knowing the rewards at >50 were the same as >40.

2. You leveled up despite knowing that the Devs wanted to keep you <50.

And yet, despite all of this, you believe yourself entitled to a reward? Here, let me put this this way:

1. Why would the Devs give you additional rewards for leveling beyond 50 when there was no such reward in the first place?

2. Why would the Devs give you additional rewards for leveling beyond 50 when they didn’t intend for you to do so in the first place?

For the 100th time I leveled up to 81 when 50 wasn’t a hardcap. Using rez orb there is no Statement that 80 was the cap there or that we shoulnd’t go there by any dev I believe about 3 MONTHS later they said that they didn’t intend ppl to get that high.. I wasn’t asking for rewards I am asking why they resett the level’s I don’t see any sence in it. So please read and learn to understand before posting things that has nothing to do with my question ty

I understand what you’re trying to say. But you need to try to understand what I’m saying:

You weren’t supposed to that high, therefore you have to rightful claim to those levels. In other words, you cannot earn something that the Devs did not and do not want you to have.

I’m sorry you wasted all that time and energy using Revive Orbs to level up Fractals, but you had to have known that this was a distinct possibility. No one—NO ONE—thought that the Devs actually intended to funnel people into purchasing Revive Orbs simply to level Fractals. No one was so naive that that was the intentional design. Everyone using Orbs realized them for the loophole they were while doing them. So no, you didn’t “earn” those levels—you got them through a loophole that the Devs later closed.

But anyway, why does it even matter? The levels appear to be changing fundamentally. In other words, the previous 50 =/= the new 50.

Look I to tired to look it up but I asked if we we’re supposed to be on scale 80 10 1/2 months ago when we were there no Response came from a dev so you can’t blame me for going there since the devs didn’t tell us we shoulnd’t go there. So I am rightfully there to my best knowledge if you study law you will understand

lordkrall.7241:

They reset levels simply because they are changing how fractals lvl 31+ works.
They will be harder with new challenges now, thus having access to the “best” (the highest currently seems to start dropping at lvl 40) rewards without having to do said challenges wouldn’t make sense

Ok let’s say I have Access to the best so what Point is having Access to the best if we can’t complete it? if we’re to bad for the new Content we don’t get rewards Need to start low anyway .. if we can complete it there is no reason to resett us because we already put in effort to get up high to have a challenge and not to farm again lowere Levels if we can already complete higher difficulties

Kilandros.2098:

1. You leveled up knowing the rewards at >50 were the same as >40.

2. You leveled up despite knowing that the Devs wanted to keep you <50.

And yet, despite all of this, you believe yourself entitled to a reward? Here, let me put this this way:

1. Why would the Devs give you additional rewards for leveling beyond 50 when there was no such reward in the first place?

2. Why would the Devs give you additional rewards for leveling beyond 50 when they didn’t intend for you to do so in the first place?

For the 100th time I leveled up to 81 when 50 wasn’t a hardcap. Using rez orb there is no Statement that 80 was the cap there or that we shoulnd’t go there by any dev I believe about 3 MONTHS later they said that they didn’t intend ppl to get that high.. I wasn’t asking for rewards I am asking why they resett the level’s I don’t see any sence in it. So please read and learn to understand before posting things that has nothing to do with my question ty

islarose.7356:

Dardevilmon.6702:

mtpelion.4562:

The leaderboard is not the main reason for the reset. They have completely redesigned the difficulty and AR system which is what merits the reset.

It’s like this: you worked really hard to become the best horse racing jockey around. Then they invented cars and now everyone drives indy race cars instead of horses around the race track. Your horse racing skills are now “pointless” and thus they don’t matter.

It sucks for you, but you’ve either got to get with the times and enjoy the new content or slowly fade into obscurity as that “cranky old horse guy”.

I assume you have a legendary (i do). Anet introduces a new one, your old one gets deleted.
You’ve reached rank 80 in spvp, they introduce new balance patch/game mode you are reset to 30.
They add new dungeon and reset your DM title so you have to do it all over again.
You got the 250k kills in wvw they reset it because they added new map and changed some beep.

You understand where I am coming from? and you don’t get anything as compensation or at least we don’t know (and I honestly don’t have hope for anything)

(edited for comprehension)

I’d just do it again. Fact is, they’re increasing the difficulty of 30+, meaning for you to keep your level 40 without meeting the new, increased difficulty, would result in you entering harder, level 40 fractals and perhaps being unprepared for them, which could hurt your progress, as well as that of your group (if you’re pugging). The content and the work required to surpass it has changed; allowing you to bypass that on an outdated rank means you’re entering an even more challenging level without experience from the new fractal difficulty, without doing the work required for the “new” rank.

I understand your frustration, however your comparisons to changes in WvW, dungeons, and spvp don’t really apply – unless you’re one to work for a rank and then stop once you’ve reached it. People playing WvW and dungeons are going to play regardless of an achievement – it’s because they want to, they want those rewards. I don’t WvW for an achievement to kill 500 players. I don’t run dungeons just for a DM title. I do it for gold, I do it for loot, I do it for variety, I do it for fun. It also doesn’t apply to a legendary – legendary is contingent upon completing a grind (or having enough gold), not attached to skill level or competency. It is static – changes are applied across the board. Fractals are the only challenging, progression based content in the game – therefore I’m ok with increased difficulty at the cost of dropping my level to 30 (hey, at least it’s not 0..). I run it for the challenge, gold, group coordination, and rewards – which is only changing for the better.

Instead of looking at it as “losing” existing work, it seems more to me like progressing from a normal/story mode dungeon to a hard/heroic mode dungeon (in other games). You’re just progressing to a higher difficulty. It’s continued progression, and additional content (in terms of challenge level) and provides the player with a new challenge to climb back on top. You’re only receiving a partially reduced rank; you’re not losing your rewards, your gear, your experience, or your gold.

Look if I Keep my Level 81 I will get nothing out of it besides beeing able to join high Levels as I was before.. whats the reason to set me down? if there is new difficulty ok I might be not able to complete it. but that’s my Problem not yours… there is no Point in resetting it besides leaderboards just exclude me from those.. don’t say I take a shortcut getting lvl 81 was hardwork … I don’t get more or less rewards if I can’t complete the acoording Level Keep that in mind.. If I can complete Level 64 I get the reward of Level 64 if I can’t complete it I don’t get anyreward for beeing 81…

On top of that you remove all the Karma you handed out about 10k for helping ppl a lower Levels out this is taken away from me as well

when you do somthing firsttime you Need to figure things out… by now there are many Special tactic we did it our way it worked but it would have been way easier if I used glyph of storm with blind.. if there is hard Content you Need to adapt your builds

you call yourself thief we had a thief in Group you could compete we had an ingi in the Group we could have changed im with a nec the massblind on nec is ridiculusly strong on that fractal… it seems you not Play nec main or you would know it… so yes your nec could compete you don’t have to buy gemstore items but I did have to buy it because there were no exploits known when we did this… I asked you to tell me where I used a glitch and you cna’t Name one so I can say I am legit scale 81 .. reflects are part of gamemechanics as are blinds some of the most powerfull skills in fotm as ele I don’t even use in this Video cause I didn’t know

Relativity.3264:

Excuses for resetting us to 30:

Leaderboards

With a total of 50 available levels the granularity on these leaderboards is so small it’s useless. If you intend to calculate things other than level (kills, time taken, etc) there is no reason to reset the level.

Not a valid excuse.

Levels 30+ are now harder, leaving people at previous levels would be giving them an unfair shortcut

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

Also the difficulty scaling has been tweaked overall to create a slightly less difficult curve up to 50.

Not a valid excuse.

Compensation for resetting us to 30:

to add here: Levels 30+ are now harder, leaving people at previous levels would be giving them an unfair shortcut

If we can’t complete those high level’s we used the so called shortcut for we don’t get any rewards so it’s not a shortcut if we can complete that Level we deserve to be there… and shortcut is a joke because we put in a lot of time and effort so it’s not a shortcut at all!

Fafnir.5124:

to get to 80 glitchs where used when fotm first got out from true pioneers of fotm. Afterwards people to 80 by only doing odds with people already at 80. People wont be able to do fotm 30 post update most likely because of AR change and simple infusion being turned into AR+1. So ya there is that. There is a week to update and you can still get to fotm 30 in that time fairly easily.

tell me 1 glitch that I used to get to my LEGIT 81… I’m tired of getting blamed on the Forums for things we didn’t do… I used rez orbs to complete maw it’s part of the gamemechanics those orbs… soo Tell me 1 Thing I used to get to scale 81 that was a glitch or stuff

this was considered back than the hardest Boss:

see glitchless…

Would just want to have an answer why you resetting my hard work to 81.
The Point is if for leaderboard exclude me from the boards idc… if it’s because we have a Level 81 in an “old” System. well we don’t get any of the new rewards if we basicaly can’t complete new Content if we’re to bad to do the Content on 80 we don’t get any rewards for beeing old 80. But if we could complete 80 we would finally get a reward for all the time effort and Money put into it… please mods don’t move this Topic it’s just a question about a Feature of the update so I think it is in thre right place.

Gondrakif.4510:

This reset thing seems a bit irrational to me…
With the current system you can get up to level 50 on your own as intended.
Now they want to add 20 new levels that have some extra difficulty.
So why not let them be 50-70?
Why does everyone have to go back to 30?

why not let em be 81-100 nobody would complain… 80 was the cap before realease the cap and make new Levels it seems fine for me… but not just reroll Progress of ppl

Felbryn.5462:

Out of morbid curiosity: for those who are upset about the level reset, what would you consider a reasonable alternative?

It’s clear from the patch notes that fractal levels 30-50 are going to be effectively brand new content after the patch, which no one has ever run before.

Are you suggesting that people who are 50+ before the update should unlock all the new content and rewards instantly without having to play it in order? I don’t see how that makes sense; that’s like saying that you should be able to fight a living story boss without playing through the living story because you were fractal level 50; this isn’t the same content. And several of you have explicitly denied that you were hoping for this.

Are you suggesting that they should have put the new 30-50 at 80-100 instead, and force everyone who wants to play the new content to grind through 50 levels of obsolete placeholder content first? That strikes me as mean-spirited, and in any case it’s obviously foolish from a business perspective (content that most players will never see won’t keep them playing), so I can’t see it happening no matter how righteous your cause.

Do you want to be able to continue to play the current version of the fractal levels that they’re removing? I could imagine a system where there’s 2 parallel advancement tracks, one through the current levels and another through the new levels, and you keep your position on the old track. I think that would be reasonable in principle, though I have a hard time believing that the current level 50 is different enough from level 30 and the new level 50 to be worth extra developer time and splitting the playerbase just to keep it around.

Do you just want a little box somewhere in your hero panel that says you got to level X under the old system?

What exactly would “not resetting fractal level” look like, in your imagination, assuming they’re still going through with everything else?

Easy don’t add leaderboards you can’t just add leaderboards to a race that is already over.. and leave us our Level there is no Point in deleting our fractal Levels if you don’t have leaderboards.. if we want the new rewards we have to finish the scale at the new difficulty otherwise we don’t get nothing out of our Levels. or exclude us from leaderboards and leave us our Levels… there is basicaly no Point besides the leaderbaords to take away our Levels … for all that say it’s harder no it might be but if we can’t complete or have to farm agony resistance on lower Levels now.. it’s fair but we could enter scale 81 the scale we deserve if we wanted that is the important Thing. if they leave us the Level they loose nothing if we can’t complete the new Content on that Level we gain nothing really nothing and if we can complete it we deserve it anyways so whats the Point?

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

Spoiler: there was always a rare chance to get them in the 10-20ish. The only change we made was to make them skins so you can apply them without spending a transmutation stone.

Spoiler: if you worked hard for lvl 80 daily you got a fractal Skin each run we did or at least an infused ring. The only Change they made is resetting ppl to Level 30 so they don’t get the Skins they deserved and another Spoiler for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_igZIivu3E
things bug out if ppl go higher than Level 80 hp bugs in icy fractal ect..

and to sum it up a question: Will the cap of fractals still be 80?

First Thing I wanted to do when I’m in the update is if I can finally open 81 from the Portal but I can’t do it now anymore it seems.

Nike.2631:

phys.7689:

Nike.2631:

I think what people are missing is the old level >30 fractals are GONE. From this point on much more challenging versions have replaced them and your older progress tracker doesn’t apply. beating the old 42 will be a cakewalk compared to the new 42.

looks like it will actually be easier from what was said in the fractured forum

The ‘mistlock instabilities’ don’t sound easier to me, and adding two new boss levels you could get instead of the extremely simple puzzle fight that is the Maw is going to be a bit more lively too in my estimation.

I could see leaving the current levels in place – but mostly because it’d be funny to stand by the portal and listen to the sizzle-scorch-gurgle-silences as groups wipe over and over jumping directly to their maximum level, refusing to pause and learn the new mechanics.

Yes, its a bit baby-buggy-bumper, but it’s probably for the best in ensuring the new material gets used instead of our most daring-of-old rage-quitting after a difficulty 48 Mai Trin hands them their rumps AGAIN and AGAIN on their first run into the new fractals…

When will you get it if we going on playing at 80 we don’t get the rewards if they’re to hard to complete so what Point taking away the Level the Argument we didn’t do it under new circumstances is irrelevant we have nothing out of our lvl 81 if we can’t complete the Levels and get the new rewards ! let us be Level 81.. Play the difficulty we choose is right to get in again and try out how hard it really is before wasting another 2 months to realize that it isn’t that hard.. man just delte the idea of making a race to the top when ppl already won the race… it’s a joke!

eekzie.5640:

Fafnir.5124:

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

I think we should get 2g per fractal level resetted.

Accept fotm difficulty is exponential. there fore g will be exponential and destroy the economy what is 2^50 power. 80-30=50. If anyting I agree there should be a title fractal master or something for those who actually got to 80 or some amount.

I honestly don’t expect (or would appreciate it if) people who exploited their way above 50 to get rewarded for it.

stop the exploit waggon for real ? tell me what exploit I used I am 81 I used rez orbs to survive maw it is obviously a game mechanic that was in place and there is till now no dev post or somthing else that is telling that rez orbs were considered an exploit

DiogoSilva.7089:

I’m not a fractals player, yet I agree with this.

I understand why Anet is doing this reset, but they should not disrespect their dedicated fractals fanbase. If the reset needs to be done, high-leveled fractal players should be compensated.

Something simple, like gold per each fractals level lost, would go a long way.

you think you can make up the loose of somthing Special you did with Gold? all is about Gold in this game fractal and fractal Skins weren’t I will loose now 51 reward Levels… and what ammount of Gold can make up for this?… nothing only a Special Skin 1 time rewards that would remind me that I was one of a few maybe 100 that in 1 year got to lvl 81

Upham.6137:

Kimyrielle.3826:

At NO point in a MMO people ever should lose their progress on anything except they used exploits to get there.

To be fair, if they rolled back the lvl of those who exploited I’m sure most people would get hit, specially those at lvl 50+.

Nope I used rez orbs legit game mechanic to get to lvl 81 it was never ever stated it is an exploit

What happens with all my 51 rewards Level that I will loose to this patch? you just take somthing away from me that took a lot of time and effort more time and effort than several legendaries ? can a dev respond on the minor playerbase that have put in that effort?

what happens with my 51 Levels I loose ? like time and Money spent for em?

gaspara.4079:

I don’t see why anyone who really loves the challenge of fractals would be upset by this. You reached level 60? 70? 80? 81? That is an awesome achievement but they never said you would have anything to show for it, and no mater what they do they cannot take away the fact that you have completed something only a tiny portion of players have ever completed. So they reverted your level back, does that mean you never got to level 60?70?80?81? Heck no, you did it, but why should you be given something special for it when they never said you would?

They are making the part of the game you you love (you must love it to put yourself through it so many times) and yet here you are ocmplaining about it.

I have a solution, you can keep your level, but you will not be on the leaderboard and cannot enter Fotm until you go to the npc and have them reset your Fotm level to 30. Is that a better solution? You get to keep your effectively meaningless high number but you can never play that content again?

I don’t want somthing Special they should just not TAKE IT AWAY. you don’t get it currently a Company is telling me that they take somthing from me away it doesn’t matter what it is if a legendary pvp rank 40 or wvw rank 300 all of the metioned things take time pvp rank 40 is only a number so they can delete it … the direction is wrong to take somthing away from a Player that got it legit… if any devs tell me why I didn’t get it legit I’m glad to hear it and have all my rez orb gems back.

Kilandros.2098:

Corpus Christi.2057:

Kilandros.2098:

Corpus Christi.2057:

Kilandros.2098:

Corpus Christi.2057:

Ethics.4519:

Jski.6180:

Seeing that much ppl got to 50 on an exploitation that was fixed i think its ok to drop it down i am not sure about all the way to 30 but its still needed if your going to changes things up.

Then they should remove dungeon master and all gold + drops obtained from dungeons since a lot of people exploit dungeons.

nothing to do with headstart I am at the CAP of the current System… not because of AR because you simply can’t open scale 81 you get ported into 80 it’s more like I completed somthing now they tell me to do it again… I completed a legendary now they say I should do it again cause it has new partical effects and stats Change Options… I completed lvl 50 pvp now they say I should do it again because ppl exploited skyhammer .. I have completed rank 600 wvw now they tell to do it again because a new season starts…

^ And that.

What about this?

Asia Skyly.7198:

It is completely contradictory:
On one hand: “I did high level fractals for the incredible challenge, even when I knew the rewards were lousy.”

On the other hand" " I demand I be rewarded for all of the “work” and “money” I spent doing something I knew quite well had lousy rewards."

What about some thinking?

You got no title for doing higher level fractals – actually, kitten , you got nothing of perceptible worthiness. Those who did the very high level fractals, like everyone here underlines, was the pure challenge and fun time with something rather difficult ( nothing else in this game compares really ).
Now, suddenly, those who advanced to, let’s say, level 31 and those who advanced to, let’s say, level 70, are placed in the new system on equal footing, i.e. level 30. How is that fair, in any ridiculously stretched understandings of the word “fair” you may have in your dictionary?
Like I said above, some of people here are thinking only in perceptible things ( notably you ), while some other in both perceptible and non-perceptible ( me and those who did very high level fractals ). The reason why people demand some compensation is because they want they equally importnant, non-perceptible experiences compensated in the perceptible manner. Simple, I think.

In other words:

“I did 50+ Fractals knowing that there was no ‘tangible’ reward, just hard content and the feeling of accomplishment that comes with completing hard content. That’s enough for a true competitor like me. But now that I’ve completed that hard content, I demand a tangible reward! Otherwise, what was the point of spending all that time and energy trying to beat hard content if there was no reward!”

Your reasoning is entirely contradictory. My guess is because it’s dishonest. My guess is you did 50+ hoping to have a head start on the new stuff once those Fractals were opened and now you’re mad you wasted your time and have nothing to show for it. You always expected a reward and the challenge was secondary. And now you’re demanding that reward.

It’s the last time I am repeating this one to you: I’ve mentioned both PERCEPTIVE AND NON-PERCEPTIVE rewards. One can compensate for the other, i.e. if the non-perceptive one gets obliterated, the perceptive one can compensate for it. The activity of grinding shows the drive for perceptive awards only, whereas the activity of high fractal running shows the combined type. It’s basic psychology, really.

I agree—it is basic psychology:

“I expected to have a head start when they introduced 50+ Fractals. I was wrong and they aren’t introducing 50+ Fractals and now my time is wasted. I want a freebie, but worry they won’t give it to me considering I was trying to get a head start on content they didn’t want us doing. If I claim I was never interested in a reward in the first place, and was only doing it for the challenge, perhaps they’ll give me a reward anyway!”

Nah. Not buying it.

Also, what you mean to say is “tangible.” You’re talking about tangible rewards (i.e., Fractal skins) vs. intangible rewards (i.e., accomplishment having completed hard content).

nope not true: I am at the CAP not cause of agony but because you can’t simply open scale 81 ( my current lvl because you get ported into 80). So I completed it .. it’s more like: I completed pvp lvl 50 they resett it cause of skyhammer —- I completed a lengedary and they delete it because of stat changes and new effects —- I completed wvw rank 10’000 they delete it because you know for season 14 they want to have all to start on even Levels!

my Point is I loose my time invested for nothing to make up for it… Loads of Money spent in rez orbs and stuff…

A game shoulnd’t take away items or Progress you have made it’s just a bad direction Overall they’re headint as I posted before it be the same as:
- deleting all wvw Progress cause they add seasons
– deleting all pvp Progress cause ppl exploited farming skyhammer
– deleting all legendaries because they were RNG based with the precurser have no new effects and can statchange

lvl: 81 since 2012

Raven.3248:

So i will give my opinion just to give some perspective. im level 29 so
Bring the hate

so you basicaly Support when a Company is going in the direction of deleting Progress just because your not affected?

this is the reason many bad things happened in the world cause ppl don’t care if bad things happens as Long as they’re not affected so you should think about your Statement!

mtpelion.4562:

rfdarko.4639:

It’s deleting the progression I’ve already achieved, when they could have left it well alone.

Progression that has no value is not progression.

They are taking away your pointless number and giving you an actual progression option.

It has value since you can get fractal weapons as a pretty save drop on scale 80 .. they take this away I waited for having enough agony resistance to paly it again it had value since droprate is now increased there .. so they took away somthing… having 300 accound mf wich has no vallue isn’t Progression let’s take it away from every Player…

What you guys that aren’t affect don’t seem to realize is they take somthing away we worked for it’s same as:
- deleting all wvw Progress cause they add seasons
- deleting all pvp Progress cause ppl exploited farming skyhammer
- deleting all legendaries because they were RNG based with the precurser have no new effects and can statchange
How would ppl feel about These changes ?

On top: they might just have setted it to lvl 30 cause they realised with this big playerbase won’t loose tooo much… they would have way more flaming if they reset it to 0 but loosing those 51 lvls for me is like everyone is getting resetted to 0 where more ppl would stand up here in the Forums if it was the case.

Blade Kuroda.1795:

I run lv 48 fairly regularly. The team I normally go with do not and will not exploit if we can help it (the archdiviner bugs out occasionally, even without stacking on him). As far as getting knocked down to lv 30, I say bring it on, especially since it’s because there are balance changes and whatnot involved with lv 30+ fractals once this update goes live.

well 18 lvls of Progress I loose 51 lvls of Progress so you see I loose about tripple the Progress you lost and since Progress gets harder at about 60 i’d lost tripple the effort you did run lvl 48 not for Progress but for weapon Skins otherwise you would have run uneven ones to Progress… so you absolutly got the reward you expect out of each lvl 48 run… I didn’t get the Thing I wanted I know that I can get easy fractal Skins I deserve when they open up 80 again but you see anet trolled me

Corpus Christi.2057:

slurpey.6014:

Let’s just reset the whole game while we at it. That gives a balance on every aspect since nothing remains

Haha, precisely that!:P

+ 1 please anet I lost my Progress everyone should loose theirs! Just for sake of Fairness and Casuality I suggest a yearly reset:)

VOLKON.1290:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Jski.6180:

Seeing that much ppl got to 50 on an exploitation that was fixed i think its ok to drop it down i am not sure about all the way to 30 but its still needed if your going to changes things up.

what exploits tell me 1 I used rez orbs at maw there was no post anyhwhere that this is en exploit so get over it I’m just a skilled palyer used gamemechanics to achievs somthing you didn’t now you jalous and anet seems to be with the 3 mio that can’t achiev it isntead of the 100 that can!

Good job, you were definitely skilled at the old system. I acknowledge that, well done indeed. Now let’s see how you do with the new system that is replacing the old system.

Well you definatly deserve a Legendary with old particel effects no go farm a new one for the new Effects and stats changes!

Jski.6180:

Seeing that much ppl got to 50 on an exploitation that was fixed i think its ok to drop it down i am not sure about all the way to 30 but its still needed if your going to changes things up.

what exploits tell me 1 I used rez orbs at maw there was no post anyhwhere that this is en exploit so get over it I’m just a skilled palyer used gamemechanics to achievs somthing you didn’t now you jalous and anet seems to be with the 3 mio that can’t achiev it isntead of the 100 that can!

Corpus Christi.2057:

Korossive.7085:

Agree on pvp rank comparison, heck, reset everyone to 30 too see how the community likes the game then.

^ That.

same with legendaries I mean common they’re to much Money based atm When will ppl get that they are currently taking away somthing from me I have worked for in this game. So why should I get over it? it’s just unfair as a fact!

VOLKON.1290:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

CC Danicia.1394:

Bright.9160:

If you remember not to remove topics just because they give negative Feedback.

Kthanks.

As long as it is respectful and doesn’t include violations of the Forum Code of Conduct, it won’t be removed.

Here you go respectfull Version:

Hi out there,

I have invested lot of Money for : Rez orbs , Diffrent Armors and repair canisters to get to fractals scale 81 back in 2012

I really enjoyed the time playing altough rewards were bad we we’re proud beeing the first ones posting in official Forums that scale 80 might be a cap. Even without receving an answer from dev’s some months later at least the even Levels were hardcapped at 50. I was still able to do some lvl 80 runs just for fun. We were blamed several times to be exploiter cause we bought rez orbs to survive maw.

I really waited a year now patiently for a fractals update so I can Play scale 80 again or might can climb up higher than 80 ( sicne I can enter 81 but It will port me to 80) I was and am proud that we could finish your so called hardest Content as the first Group I know of. Now I see the update comming and taking away all the hard work I have done to get that high in just a few lines of update notes.

If I would have just farmed after lvl 30 instead of progressing I would have made Money instead of spending Money on rez orbs armors repair cannisters, and could have made about 3-5 Legendaries back than. I did choose to Play the game the way I enjoyed it still I think you should: NEVER EVER TAKE AWAY PROGRESS PLAYER MADE IN A GAME, it would hurt me much less if you take me away a legendary than my lvl 81 …(I don’t have a legendary ) but deleting my Progress worth about 3-5 legendaries is like deleting legendaries from ppl that have them.

So please explain to me why would you do this? take me out of the leaderboards I’m fine. But don’t take away a Thing that I have spent loads of Money and time. I asked in 10 months ago in a post if scale 80 is the cap what’s the Thing there was never ever an answer to this. I asked really nicly if it is the cap and that things starting to bug on higher scales. I don’t get an answer.

And now I am comparing deleting my personal reward lvl to deleting legendaries witch is for me about the effort you put in to get there finding out every mechanics ect… If I make a thread about it in discussion it get deleted it wasn’t offensive I just asked what ppl think if they’re legendary would be deleted for me it feels like you took away just about the effort of 3 of em so it seems legit to ask.

The Main Point is: HOW CAN I EVER TRUST AGAIN A GAME THAT TAKES AWAY THINGS I HAVE ACCOMPLISHED?

so if I go again fractals what proof do I have you don’t do it again if I do craft a legendary what proof I have that you don’t just delete it in a year cause you realize that legendaries are tooo moneybased?

You have not earned level 80 under the new challenges and new Fractals.

You have not earned new legendaries with the new particel effect and new precursor crafting so they should delete it.

CC Danicia.1394:

Bright.9160:

If you remember not to remove topics just because they give negative Feedback.

Kthanks.

As long as it is respectful and doesn’t include violations of the Forum Code of Conduct, it won’t be removed.

First Off Speaking of Respect when not respecting effort and time of Players by just deleting it’s reward scale 81 is ridiculus!

Here you go respectfull Version:

Hi out there,

I have invested lot of Money for : Rez orbs , Diffrent Armors and repair canisters to get to fractals scale 81 back in 2012

I really enjoyed the time playing altough rewards were bad we we’re proud beeing the first ones posting in official Forums that scale 80 might be a cap. Even without receving an answer from dev’s some months later at least the even Levels were hardcapped at 50. I was still able to do some lvl 80 runs just for fun. We were blamed several times to be exploiter cause we bought rez orbs to survive maw.

I really waited a year now patiently for a fractals update so I can Play scale 80 again or might can climb up higher than 80 ( sicne I can enter 81 but It will port me to 80) I was and am proud that we could finish your so called hardest Content as the first Group I know of. Now I see the update comming and taking away all the hard work I have done to get that high in just a few lines of update notes.

If I would have just farmed after lvl 30 instead of progressing I would have made Money instead of spending Money on rez orbs armors repair cannisters, and could have made about 3-5 Legendaries back than. I did choose to Play the game the way I enjoyed it still I think you should: NEVER EVER TAKE AWAY PROGRESS PLAYER MADE IN A GAME, it would hurt me much less if you take me away a legendary than my lvl 81 …(I don’t have a legendary ) but deleting my Progress worth about 3-5 legendaries is like deleting legendaries from ppl that have them.

So please explain to me why would you do this? take me out of the leaderboards I’m fine. But don’t take away a Thing that I have spent loads of Money and time. I asked in 10 months ago in a post if scale 80 is the cap what’s the Thing there was never ever an answer to this. I asked really nicly if it is the cap and that things starting to bug on higher scales. I don’t get an answer.

And now I am comparing deleting my personal reward lvl to deleting legendaries witch is for me about the effort you put in to get there finding out every mechanics ect… If I make a thread about it in discussion it get deleted it wasn’t offensive I just asked what ppl think if they’re legendary would be deleted for me it feels like you took away just about the effort of 3 of em so it seems legit to ask.

The Main Point is: HOW CAN I EVER TRUST AGAIN A GAME THAT TAKES AWAY THINGS I HAVE ACCOMPLISHED?

so if I go again fractals what proof do I have you don’t do it again if I do craft a legendary what proof I have that you don’t just delete it in a year cause you realize that legendaries are tooo moneybased?

Kilandros.2098:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

for me it was the effort I could have gotten 2-3 legendaries for.

Ah yes, I love the classic, “IF ONLY IT WASN’T FOR THIS ONE THING, I WOULD HAVE BEEN OTHERWISE WILDLY SUCCESSFUL AND HAD THE WHOLE WORLD!” argument.

legendary has nothing to do with success… I just saying it cause ppl can’t see to imagine ot realize what they take away from me… so I Need to compare it to somthing they know. Ppl doesn’t seem to realize they take away somthing from a Player who legitly got somthing.. and this shoulnd’t be the case in any game no matter for what reason.

Zypher.7609:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

roachsrealm.9284:

what did they take away besides the number? help me understand!

you don’t lose any rewards do you?

I was hopping to enter scale 81 again when they rework it so I get some hardcontent now I have to do 50*4= 200 fractals again with ppl I don’t know ( the Group I played till 81 doesn’t Play anymore ) soo invest loads of time to get where I was and I bet the lvl till 61 will be easy for me if I had 81 I woulnd’t get any rewards if I coulnd’t complete em so what Point in taking it away basicaly I loose time and Money spent worth of about 2-3 legnedaries if I played other aspects of the game about 4-5 legendaries if I just farmed

You feeling math hurt today? Cap is 50, so reset to 30… that is 20 levels X 4 seems like you only need to do 80 fractals. Although I just wonder if the new changes to level 30+ scare you a bit. It is ok to be afraid.

Looking forward to the changes!

I invested loads of time as I said and Money to get there now it’s taken away it’s like if they delete all legendaries… can’t you get that? for real… you put effort and time in somthing and they take it away

roachsrealm.9284:

according to the notes you only need to do 20 fractals to hit the new cap. assuming the notes are correct you won’t be able to go past level 50.

in this regard you aren’t really losing anything. you still received all the rewards you earned from running higher levels before. you get 20 new levels of varied content to play through for free. I still feel like regardless of what level you were at before, all you are getting are benefits from this change.

there were no rewards running higher lvl’s when I did it you had same rewards than running lvl 1 so I didn’t get any rewards from that. I loose lots of time and effor that I put in reward lvl 81 I still could do scale 81 and Play it now and could Play it the whole year when I wanted a challenge and I loose this no.. I loose Content I work for witch is worth way more than a legendary

roachsrealm.9284:

what did they take away besides the number? help me understand!

you don’t lose any rewards do you?

I was hopping to enter scale 81 again when they rework it so I get some hardcontent now I have to do 50*4= 200 fractals again with ppl I don’t know ( the Group I played till 81 doesn’t Play anymore ) soo invest loads of time to get where I was and I bet the lvl till 61 will be easy for me if I had 81 I woulnd’t get any rewards if I coulnd’t complete em so what Point in taking it away basicaly I loose time and Money spent worth of about 2-3 legnedaries if I played other aspects of the game about 4-5 legendaries if I just farmed

Kilandros.2098:

ozma.3498:

People who don’t think some kind of unique reward is justified should try to have some perspective. I’m having something that took literally hundreds of hours of my time removed from my account. I can’t even opt out of the leaderboards to keep my personal level. Hundreds of hours of effort is being removed, without anything I can do about it.

And the legendary comparison is completely valid. Ultimately what it comes down to is time invested -> goal reached -> result of goal being removed from your account. Getting fractal level 80 takes hundreds of hours – so does making a legendary. It confuses me why some people feel that one is no big deal while the other would be completely out of the question. They both take hundreds of hours – just because one is a skin and the other is a number doesn’t make it a completely different issue.

First of all, going from 30 to 48 is not losing “hundreds of hours,” so there’s that.

Secondly, I have no sympathy for anyone at level 80 Fractals. Anet made it quite clear they didn’t intend for us to progress past 50. You were essentially betting that Anet would one day open up 50+ and you would have an advantage. The flipside however was the risk that they would not and that would be wasted time. You made a risky bet that that progress was worth the time and you lost. It’s really that simple.

And no, the fact that Fractals and Legendaries both require a time commitment is not persuasive. Over the course of my life I have spent a great deal of time in the bathroom, but I don’t consider that time equal to time spent, say, at a job. The mere fact that two things both occupy time does not make them the same. In Fractals I could spend a lot of time being carried by my group to higher levels. With Legendaries I could spend very little time converting my RL cash to gems to gold. They are different. Get over it.

they didn’t make it clear when I hit lvl 80 in 2012 there wasn’t a single answer if 80 is the cap or not not a single dev post. they never said it before I reached 80 we shoulnd’t go there we shoulnd’t invest our Money in rez orbs… not a single post or answer that they consider us exploiters till no.. sooo… don’t tell things that arn’t true

khani.4786:

Bright.9160:

Yes they are. They are punishing us in multiple ways:

• All the effort we spent getting to higher levels wasted, without a compensation (or at least it seems that way). For **** sake, they reimbursed people who bought multiple gathering tools when they made them account bound, which was entirely their fault as well.

• Making it an even bigger casual fest: Fractal weapons at lvl10? Screw that. Fractal weapons were the only skins in the game that actually had some sort of skill cap to them, even with the horrendous RNG. If anything, they should limit Fractal weapons to lvl30+ or even 40+. It should be harder to get them, not easier.

• The account bound thing is kind of both ways. It’s a punishment in the sense that I basically wasted all my time leveling up my alts, but it’s good in the sense that after the update, it’s going to be account bound. I wonder if they’re making the dailies account bound though, because that would suck pretty hard and make the game even more alt-unfriendly.

• They’ve basically ignored everything we’ve been saying for almost a year about Fractals, only to say ’don’t worry guys, we’ll revamp them soon’, having us all anticipated about this upcoming change, only to find out it’s going to screw us over worse than when they would have just left it alone.

• They had 1 chance to show some love to their dedicated PvE community. What they basically did with this update is saying yeah, no, we don’t give a toss about you guys, go die in a fire and leave our game alone, we don’t want you here.

Why not wait & see what the changes are for yourself before crying DOOM?

you don’t get it it doesn’t matter how the changes are it matters that somthing I put effort in will be taken away from me for me it was the effort I could have gotten 2-3 legendaries for. and they take it away doens’t matter what they Change or do.

Kilandros.2098:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Atherakhia.4086:

For every level above 30 that is wiped you get a bonus daily chest. Done is done.

a Bonus daily chest is nothing for ppl that invest Money and time worth of 2-3 legendaries back 2012 to get to scale 81 legit way rez orbs from shop… if they implement leaderboards they should have the true leaders on top or at least give us a 1 time Special reward for all that did get to scale 81 so they done scale 80 legitly and stuff and it Needs to be really Special to make up for the hours and Money spent
a daily chest is just a joke!

Good lord enough with the legendary analogy. There’s no comparison between the two so stop spewing this in every thread on this page.

well there is fractals are reworked and legendaries are reworked.. diffrent aquisition of max lvl fractals and of legendary precursors..

Atherakhia.4086:

For every level above 30 that is wiped you get a bonus daily chest. Done is done.

a Bonus daily chest is nothing for ppl that invest Money and time worth of 2-3 legendaries back 2012 to get to scale 81 legit way rez orbs from shop… if they implement leaderboards they should have the true leaders on top or at least give us a 1 time Special reward for all that did get to scale 81 so they done scale 80 legitly and stuff and it Needs to be really Special to make up for the hours and Money spent
a daily chest is just a joke!

mtpelion.4562:

The leaderboard is not the main reason for the reset. They have completely redesigned the difficulty and AR system which is what merits the reset.

It’s like this: you worked really hard to become the best horse racing jockey around. Then they invented cars and now everyone drives indy race cars instead of horses around the race track. Your horse racing skills are now “pointless” and thus they don’t matter.

It sucks for you, but you’ve either got to get with the times and enjoy the new content or slowly fade into obscurity as that “cranky old horse guy”.

well they could at least add a Special title than they did in Arena item or whatever as one time reward for Player that did this before.. if they would have a horse Jockey he would have least gotten a reward when he was the best horse jokey… and yeah I’m mad for me it’s like destorying 3 legendaries… maybe somthing more since it coulnd’t be bought with Money… soo they should at least think about ppl like me who put a lot of effort in hardcore Content without rewards I just want that sign uf scale 81 to remain since I worked for the sign not to Show off tbh so I’m quite kitten ed

Afya.5842:

Leaderboard is probably made to shut up the elitist.

you think leaderboards will be worth somthing after ppl already have had the cap of leaderboards … as back than : https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Fractals-cap-80/first

there was not a single comment from a dev… I played a gamemode without no great rewards cause it was hard .. if they Change fractals I would Play it againt to look if it’s hard if it’s easy I probably would make another scale 80 Video of the new dungeon and tell it was easy that’s all how could I care about leaderboards but they’re taking away my hard work if they resett this they can resett legendaries as well… because ppl took the easy way getting rng precursors instead of crafted ones

TooBz.3065:

It’s because they are changing fractals level 30+ to be much harder (I think). So they are deleting your progress.

Note: I don’t think this is a good idea but whatever.

If they make it much harder it’s ok well I don’t get the rewards if I’m to bad for the new Content… but deleting Progress I have done in my rewardlevel is like deleting your legendary items or whatever … it’s just a Thing a Company should never ever consider

Instead of just awarding ppl that did hardcore Content were they were no rewards they slap em in the face bigtime! don’t put me up the leaderboards I’m fine with it but leave me rewardlevel 81 because I deserved it… otherwise remove all legendaries that were bought sold on TP and all legendaries that were made with RNG precurser as well they deserve this less than I my lvl 81

Karizee.8076:

Because of the new Leaderboards. It wouldn’t be fair for you to be at the top of the Leaderboards from completing it on easy mode would it?

it would there are only a handfull of ppl that are at 81 caps most can only do till 80 those who have 81 deserve to be there were the ones that completed fractals in 2012 with big effort so they deserve to be on top

source? if this is the case pls send me back all the rez orbs I used to get fractals scale 81 back in 2012 it’s ridiculus I could have 3 legendaries if I farmed at that time Money in TA instead of went the way of going hardcore fractals. it can’t be serious if you do reset this reset all the Money farmed and gained from trading post and all other aspects of the game as well

Ursan.7846:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

BTW only item that can’t be bought with Money : Liadri (since dungeonrunning is allowed / basicaly Fractal weapons / dungeon tokkens / and everything else can be bought with Money )

Ascended weapons, ascended trinkets. You know, the BiS items in this game.

Well asc weapons you can have through legendaries at least the stats. and atm you can even buy the dragonite ore through chests. and about trinkets you can get rings if you get paid fractalruns, you can leech guildmissions at least some pretty easy guess you get a guild paid for that just hit 1 mob you’ll get commandations but yeah your right those actually are things that are partwise accountbound… but they aren’t really Special or anything.

Well there is anyway nothing Special since pve is made for casuals and that’s the reason it may be to easy for me and annoys me:) nvmd your right on ascended stuff:)

I think the big Problem with the tradingpost is that you can buy almost everything there are only a handfull items wich can’t be traded on TP. So basicaly ppl who Play the trading post can get everything ppl that Play the game have a way harder time to get things /don’t have rewards they get for playing their style of game. My Suggestion is to put in more Special accountbound rewards to high end pve Arenas so basicaly ppl who only wanna Play trading post can trade but ppl who actually Play the game have their rewards don’t Need to get annoyed that there are ppl ( and there are ppl in my case) that do more Money in a week playing the trading post than I did entirly playing every aspect of the game in over 3.5k hours… biggest issue is that legendaries were tradable in the firstplace:(

BTW only item that can’t be bought with Money : Liadri (since dungeonrunning is allowed / basicaly Fractal weapons / dungeon tokkens / and everything else can be bought with Money )

I have completed every achievment tied to LS since realese… and what I happened to realize. I enjoyed the LS way more that had some difficult achievment tied to it. The latly Releases feel way to grindy for my taste (I know I don’t have to do em but since I have completed everything else so far… ).

So here’s a list of Achievment I liked:
-Southsun Cove: Collecting Samples took you around the whole new map and some were found at end of a difficult jp so it was fun
- Flame and Frost: New Mechanics of the Dungeon were great
Bringing back items to refugee’s had a nice Story aspect
- Basar of the four Winds: The New movment skill and the introduction of em through gathering crystals was good
- Support Ellen: I didn’t like the mini game of her so the Achievments there felt bit grindy and you realized as you played the minigame that ppl just grinded the achievments so it wasn’t a real game.
- Support Evon: Same the minigame part was bit grindy
- Emissary Vrop : The Idea of reproducing step by step was cool still the farming diffrent Invasions was a bit grindy
-Boss Week: The Idea of searching Special things might be fun if it is done in a madking way where you have a riddle for it… just making achievments on 3 maps collecting items in Areas was boring since you either did it with a Guide or you just run around and hoped to find some.
-Twilight Assault: Cool Dungeon but Way to easy… it’s not cool if you just run threw a new dungeon/Content without having to think or Focus to much .. mechanics were nice enemies to easy in my opignon
-SAB Tribunal: Fun Good Content I really enjoyed it especially firsttime exploring traps. ( Sad that you nerfed it after few days fountains ect.)
- SAB 1 & 2 : Cool Content and a bit of a Change.
-Shadow of the Madking : Clocktower was great. and the Implementation of searching places threw Riddles! ( some rather grindy achiev here as we’ll carfer ect:))
- Tixx: Bell<3 visiting all capital cities was fun as well.
- Dragonbash: agains some grindy Arena achievs ect.. but I loved it for the sake of gw1 ( missed the Mask )
- Skypirates : Personal space and some other achievments were actually kittenallenging this was great
Gauntlet: First really hard Content I’d say ( I did fracts 80 in 2012 so I know what I’m talking about;)) but sad that light up the dark didn’t give a title or a item…
It seems as you have a hard time giving out Special rewards to really hard Content:)
-Queen’s Jublee: Again running around circles killing things mostly not that much fun
-Mechanic Invasion: as well pretty grindy to farm the invasions
- New Haloween : The lunatic Inquisition achievment is grindy as hell:)
- Tower: mostly grind Events

To sum up: I personally see some nice Ideas already in the game or used in LS but sometimes the updates are just bit grindy and without a big lore ( at least from ingame prespective)

What I hope for / Suggestions: – Each LS update at least 1 really hard achievment. ( as Light it up)
- A LS update that brings gambits to dungeons
- A LS update that introduces a mystic Smith / woodmaker where you can forge a runic blade / staff for icy runestones and Wood/orichalcium and get a White staff./ sword that gets you on a journey to a legendary.
Example: Price set for White staff. Than you Need to complete Content to Charge the staff to blue → than do dungeon kills whatever shrines Vistas to Charge further to green than to yellow after to exotic and finally to legendary with a Bonus for example to Charge from exo to legendary beat liadri with 2 gambits while wielding the staff to get her dark power → Special staff ability is to turn you into liadri:)

Anyway gl creating new Content:)

1. unique rewards for hard Content
2. hard Content
3. Gambits for dungeons!

oZii.2864:

Romek.4201:

why you so aggro? are you the guy posting this golems?
second account from op?

MAN READ and understand i posted this to help players not to lose there gold to someone trieing to manipulate the market and everyone with some braincells can see it in AH atm and the timing with this postings here

all other actions is in the hand from arenanet guys

i said nothing others – and you can stop being aggro bout

edit: lol now removed the buyorders^^

I think Patrikan’s point is that they are underpriced which they are. The only people you are trying to inform are people that have no idea how speculation changes an item. You are basically saying to not buy them to people that already know how speculation affects the market of a item. If people actually want to buy them for WvW and not quick flipping then they absolutely should buy them.

this is what I ment to tell… coulnd’t / didn’t know it’s an exploit…