Guild Wars 2

JMar.3254:

Romo.3709:

I’ve been fighting since the moment the information been released on Tuesday. I’ve written countless posts regarding the issue and reading through many opinions of various types of players. And from what I’m seeing is that most of the players are either fine or happy with it. The only hurt playerbase is the one that put the most amount of time and investment in fractals. And that’s a very small group compared to everyone else.

Developer’s involvement in the matter is very small to non-existant at this point. It has been almost three days since the debate started and they’ve been avoiding answering anything of value to us. The only thing we got after three days is that they’re reading and gathering feedback. Therefore no action has been taken and accounting for the amount of time that’s left before the actual release, no action will be taken because of time shortage.

There’s one thing that they don’t fully realize. And that is the fact that two weeks later after the next update will come out, all those players that they’re trying to please with fractals will move on to the next patch, leaving fractals behind. Small percentage will catch the fractal fever we’ve had for a year now, but aside from that, it’ll all be left behind just like it was till now. Except for all those hurt people working their way back up to what’s been rightfully earned the first time around.

We’ve build quite a community around fractals, helping people taht are new to it, getting others interested. Obviously we have some elitists here and there, but that’s expected. But now our community is being destroyed jsut to please other community for a short amount of time, untill we’re forgotten and left behind yet again.

As the matter of fact I’ve yet to see any WvW or PvP update that people were this unhappy about. Even GvG communities are being pleased with the Obsidian Sanctum arena where they can do their thing without affecting WvW in any way.

Nailed it.

on the Forums instead of Login in the game since I heard about it

mtpelion.4562:

Wethospu.6437:

More like you have played through “normal” difficulty to unlock “hard” difficulty. Developers change something in the game and instead of being able to continue on “hard” difficulty you first have to redo “normal” difficulty. And then start “hard” from scratch.

Why shouldn’t you be able to continue on “hard” and go back to “normal” if needed?

They changed where “hard” starts, so you aren’t redoing anything. Levels 30-80 are gone, and new levels 30-50 are available. You’ve never done these levels 30-50 before so you are starting “hard” on day one.

normaly if there is an hardmode you unluck it with playing through the normal mode so why they don’t implement it after 80 wich was the normal mode for fractals ? Just go to 80 and than you start again from 0 in they’re hard mode:) it makes no sence going to 30 ( leaderboards are no Argument since they don’t start at 0 for equality )

Dalent.9358:

JMar.3254:

Dalent.9358:

Relativity.3264:

Dalent.9358:

all you 50+ people would be DESTROYED in fractals 50, and would probably start over anyways

you’ve never played

Don’t quote me out of context. Cause then context gets screwed up and sends the wrong message. Can’t believe you think I’ve never played.

Also, difficulty curb is relative. Could simply mean agony curb. Easy for some, hard for others. Could mean more targeting circles. Etc. etc.

I believe he meant you haven’t done the new 50, so you have no clue if we’ll get destroyed or not.

Knowing the top PvE guilds and how the developers play, I’m willing to bet they will not get destroyed.

My point was that no one has done it, so don’t assume anything other than it’s literal fractal number. I quoted him out of context because, well, I was doing the same he did.

Maybe destroyed was a bad choice of words, but I’m willing to bet it will be worth it.

Just a remark here fractal Levels always were acountbound in a sence you could open your fractal Level on any toon you had just go in a Party let them open the fractal go back to your lower toon. So what Advantage does it bring? I guess not really much besides not having to reroll for the daily chest wich is a minor issue
what disatvantages it has: I guess you can’t farm multiple daily chests

Nabuko Darayon.9645:

I don’t see the whole drama with this reseting thing. Yes people won’t be able to just do lvl 48 immediately and yes they will have to pug their way up again, but are you guys forgetting how fast it is to level up? especially with 3 new fractals and 1? more boss fractal. Those last 20 levels will be achieved within a week or so (for the hardcore players).

I’m pro this reset and I don’t mind losing my higher ranks. It will be fun again leveling up

ok 1 stated here pugging takes about 2 hours scale so let me think pugging up my Levels again is 102 hours I personally think this is much time, especially for getting somthing back:)

JMar.3254:

lordkrall.7241:

JMar.3254:

Community coordinator =/= developer.

Logic is hard. Check my sig.

True enough.

But why should a developer post something that will say exactly the same?
Does it somehow make it better because the person posting it happens to have a certain title?

Depends what the developer will say.

I would like to know if they realize it’s wrong to delete progression or if they are okay with it. I would also like to know why they have to do that. There seems to be a couple of solutions that have been brought up throughout the other thread.

Like I said, the only reason they have given us, is that they are introducing leaderboards and that’s why we must be reset to 30. I would rather not have my work deleted so that I can “compete” in something that I couldn’t care less about.

They did not delete PvP ranks when leaderboards were rolled out.

Obviously they won’t tell me this, but I’m interested in how the meeting went. Did somebody say “Hey, lets do leaderboards” “But we’ll have to delete progress so people are even” “Yeah, nobody will care, they love us deleting their progression!” Or did one developer say “Guys, we might want to think about that, I don’t think the players will be okay with that” “Na, that’s just the minority, they don’t matter”

on top of that logic seems to be really hard they tell us to remove our Levels for fair leaderboards… but why are leaderbaords fair where some start at 30 over 50% completed and others start at 0 ? I really don’t get the reasoning behind.. I would have understood ( NOT AGREED) a fullreset to 0 way more.

only explonation is they saw 20% are over 30 sooo let’s just set em up and not screw up the 80% around 0-30… there is no other way I get this otherwise…:)

Kilandros.2098:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

what if they just delete your Gold and Karma it is no item it is just a number so you can compare it. and btw I worked hard to get the 10k Karma buff from fractals still they delete your Gold and Karma it’s just a number it’s the same as fractal Level just a number . I can use my number to get 10k Karma each run you can use yours to buy things? no diffrence there a diffrent use but in the end it’s the same:)

They actually nerfed karma acquisition and changed the way gold find works though. Like Fractals, they changed the process by which those two things are acquired. Your comparison actually weakens your argument.

1 Point for you still doesn’t explain why you would care about those numbers? I mean your numbers give you Access to items my numbers give me acess to items and content … my numbers even are more valuable:)

Estriella Faerie.4029:

We have pages and pages of feedback. Some of it is just ranting, some just blind defense of the patch, but in the middle there have been some constructive things said. Moshari posted a list of thing on page 14 of the old post, there was an article describing how we feel in this situation posted on page 15 of same post, etc.

Of course, we can understand that it takes some time for the developpers to process all this feedback, but as the patch day goes closer and closer, we feel like our feedback will not be heard in time.

What I don’t get why is reading Feedback actually prohibiting you from just tell the they’re reasoning behind this step since they see it is discussed they can just tell they’re thinkings about it when they made the step. This is what the SAB developer would have made maybe not perfectly posted and advertised but it was honest and I really respect that.

Aye.8392:

CC Danicia.1394:

Hello all,

The Developers are reading these posts and we are gathering feedback. This is a reminder, as I’ve already had to edit one post. Please do not discuss exploits, discuss how players may have used exploits, and keep these topics clean. We do not want to have to shut down more threads because they dissolve into name-calling, rude comments, and other violations of the Forum Code of Conduct.

I’m glad to know that the devs are reading these threads. It would be a great boon if they would actually speak to the players about this issue and possibly explain a little bit why the levels being reduced to 30.

agreed even if I think I will completly not agree with the arguments they will be telling me to delete my work… I still respect ppl that stay up and say what they were thinking , even if I completly not agree I at least know the reason and might be more able to open they’re eyes for my perspective than while fighting without a reason with the own community. This would be true CDI:)

what if they just delete your Gold and Karma it is no item it is just a number so you can compare it. and btw I worked hard to get the 10k Karma buff from fractals still they delete your Gold and Karma it’s just a number it’s the same as fractal Level just a number . I can use my number to get 10k Karma each run you can use yours to buy things? no diffrence there a diffrent use but in the end it’s the same:)

Kilandros.2098:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

phys.7689:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Fafnir.5124:

If you think people made it to 80 by not using exploits(things that where removed or changed latter) at all when fotm first came out you make me laugh. Fact they made it so you have to face a boss with global agony at end with update probly means you cant advance without the AR now.

that’s the diffrence I don’t think I KNOW: A Group that made it to 70 at least with using no rez orbs or 99% rez or other things they did it with an extra gear with full on Healpower a necro that survived with deathshrowed while Guardians healed up with book and ele used aoe rez and heal as well. So were able to survive global agony I know it if you laugh you laugh because you haven’t played it back than. You could avoid the global agony legit… I didn’t do it I know a Group that did it. if you want proofe go search the old threads that were made back than. The agony siginificantly changed with the january realese. But I and those ppl did it Prior.

they did alter all those methods like deathshroud, search and rescue, etc from what i vaguely remember though. So even if it was legit at the time, they stopped people from doing it.

true that but if you got it legit at that time it’s no Argument to say you never am supposed to get there because at the time they were released you were supposed to get as high as you can And still anet never ever posted what they think is the cap on fractals or what is the cap… They can do a HARDCAP wich is currently at 80, so they could have done it at 50.. not doing so is implieing that they wouldn’t care if ppl get higher.

The fact that you have to argue so hard to show that you earned those levels legitimately doesn’t bode well for the subsequent argument that you should be entitled to keep those levels.

OK let’s just delete all your Gold Karma items you have on your account just resett all things too Zero… you’d be ok with that? just you and about 200 other People reset completly to Zero your ok? If yes I see you really don’t care if noo

well see you can’t argue against it if you argue against it you only Show your entitlement to Keep those things..

I don’t get why ppl use such arguments and even think they are good.

5 ele’s is faceroll on scale 80 sooo trololo biggest Problem is Players don’t know what they class can and guardsupport is just so well known and easy to Support a Group that Players Play it.. but every other class has nice Support ingi , thief , even necro with massblinds rangers. most ppl either just don’t know how to help they’re Group or other ppl don’t realize that they’re helping .. only because the Guardian ahs a big wall you see it doesn’t mean he is the best Support:)

phys.7689:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Fafnir.5124:

If you think people made it to 80 by not using exploits(things that where removed or changed latter) at all when fotm first came out you make me laugh. Fact they made it so you have to face a boss with global agony at end with update probly means you cant advance without the AR now.

that’s the diffrence I don’t think I KNOW: A Group that made it to 70 at least with using no rez orbs or 99% rez or other things they did it with an extra gear with full on Healpower a necro that survived with deathshrowed while Guardians healed up with book and ele used aoe rez and heal as well. So were able to survive global agony I know it if you laugh you laugh because you haven’t played it back than. You could avoid the global agony legit… I didn’t do it I know a Group that did it. if you want proofe go search the old threads that were made back than. The agony siginificantly changed with the january realese. But I and those ppl did it Prior.

they did alter all those methods like deathshroud, search and rescue, etc from what i vaguely remember though. So even if it was legit at the time, they stopped people from doing it.

true that but if you got it legit at that time it’s no Argument to say you never am supposed to get there because at the time they were released you were supposed to get as high as you can And still anet never ever posted what they think is the cap on fractals or what is the cap… They can do a HARDCAP wich is currently at 80, so they could have done it at 50.. not doing so is implieing that they wouldn’t care if ppl get higher.

lordkrall.7241:

Romo.3709:

I personally never been one to promote going past level 50 since it was obviously not intended. But that being said one of the devs responses was clearly that the curve up to level 50 is way easier than it was before. With that in mind, the challenge that was there to begin with is being taken away and “chips” are nowhere in sight.

Yes, they say that the CURVE will be less difficult. That does not mean that it will be less difficult overall, just that it will increase in difficulty in a more steady stream.

Also keep in mind that the difficulty of the Fractals have nothing at all to do with the Instabilities, so they might indeed increase the difficulty of the Fractals, even if the difficulty of the Fractals themselves are slightly lowered.

if the curve is less difficult than that curve doens’t go up as fast as a difficult curve, so if the curve before was a more difficult curve this curve now is less difficult. meaning Overall: IT WILL BE EASY!

if the curve is less difficult than before the curve from formar 30 -40 is now the curve from 30-50 so less difficult .. so actually scale 80 new will be at around 150 ! yeah updated my Level to be even higher!

phys.7689:

Lunar Sunset.8742:

phys.7689:

Lunar Sunset.8742:

People on lvl 30 scale aren’t as skilled as people at lvl 40-50. It’s gonna be a kitten storm of bad pugs which is mainly why I’m annoyed by this update. I feel for the people who lost a lot more progress than me (I have 1 lvl 48, 4 lvl 38s).

bad pugs isnt a legitimate concern though, you can party up with whoever you want

Yeah, bad pugs.

heres what you should do, make a elite fractals guild. make a level 1 checker char who groups up with each member to assure they have access to X level.

this way every one in your guild is elite, and you dont have to play with bad pugs ever.

you can’t do this anymore after update and before update most ppl try to reduce dmg done in Forums instead of playing the game:)

phys.7689:

Lunar Sunset.8742:

People on lvl 30 scale aren’t as skilled as people at lvl 40-50. It’s gonna be a kitten storm of bad pugs which is mainly why I’m annoyed by this update. I feel for the people who lost a lot more progress than me (I have 1 lvl 48, 4 lvl 38s).

bad pugs isnt a legitimate concern though, you can party up with whoever you want, if you dont want random public players… dont randomly play with public players?

All my mates left the game when we reached 81 and they put in a hardcap. so I Need to search new guys if I could Keep my reardlevel it be way easier to see where others at
ahhh fail this won’t work since all will be at 81 now… dammm

Dalent.9358:

I can see why they set it to 30 and not 0 for everyone. Those who have done the 30+ content are being forced to do it again to essentially playtest the new Fractal Instabilities. Am I saying this is exactly fair to those people? No. But it makes sense. Going by their presumptions of a pretty-vague preview, all you 50+ people would be DESTROYED in fractals 50, and would probably start over anyways. And I’m not talking just because of new agony scaling.

Now, keep in mind, ANet has been silent on people wanting compensation. I can understand why they want it, I bet ANet can too. Now what’s one thing any of forum goers know about Devs and posting (in this game and others)? They try to avoid posting misleading information. For all we know, they are working on a compensation, and don’t want to get anyone’s hopes up until they have something figured out.

And personally, for all those saying “we just want our difficulty back” for the 50+: you don’t know what the Instabilities have to offer. That may be your difficulty/challenge, and then a bag of chips.

But does it make sence to start a competition? no it doesn’t? it just doesn’t why would you start a competition when there are ppl already more than half way through ? If they want it to be a skill competition they should let you choose the difficulty you want and when you complete it you get it so easy.. if it’s a who is first competition I already won I’m first so I can Keep my 81 .. if it’s a competition since new content they still Need to let everyone start on equal footage.. it’s just not fair and bad design anyway

if they are thinking about a current solution to the Problems ?
why they think it is ok to take away my hard work?

They could do so much to not get the community fractured and still they do nothing than maybe laughing silently. Yeah and remove the thread from a place where it was more popular than they’re CDI.

Fafnir.5124:

If you think people made it to 80 by not using exploits(things that where removed or changed latter) at all when fotm first came out you make me laugh. Fact they made it so you have to face a boss with global agony at end with update probly means you cant advance without the AR now.

that’s the diffrence I don’t think I KNOW: A Group that made it to 70 at least with using no rez orbs or 99% rez or other things they did it with an extra gear with full on Healpower a necro that survived with deathshrowed while Guardians healed up with book and ele used aoe rez and heal as well. So were able to survive global agony I know it if you laugh you laugh because you haven’t played it back than. You could avoid the global agony legit… I didn’t do it I know a Group that did it. if you want proofe go search the old threads that were made back than. The agony siginificantly changed with the january realese. But I and those ppl did it Prior.

ok state of game:
- Anet is the first MMO ever deciding to just delete legit Player Progress

- Fractal scale 80 was possible Prior patch with softcap 40 without using any exploits also without rezorbs or 99% rez with just good Timing of Guardian healbooks necro deathshroud and ele rez.

- They are currently deleting the most rare item/ sign that is ingame
there are I think about 5 Players ( 1 Group that advanced after the cap to look at 82)
so 5 ppl in the World with personal reward 82 you might say I can’t know than look what happened on third fractal when we tried to do it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_igZIivu3E

- They are currently about to remove the rarest Thing ingame from Players

- There did a update that was really worth the title Fractured: since it is what they did to the community

- They make Leaderboards that are a pharse : since if they really want fair leaderboards either they should let em start at the old hardcap of 80 or wipe it out to 0 … but not do a Thing in the middle to not upset the whole community.. when they would have done this we wouldn’t be so fractured.

I think what goes wrong with the CDI is:

If we ask for answers in a thread over 18 pages in 2 days and about 12k views why you make certain decitions it just get looked down.

what is collaborative about Holding a Monologue?

what reason is behind : LET’S DELETE THE LEGIT PROGRESS OF PLAYERS TO INTRODUCE LEADERBOARDS?

I feel like this is what this update has done to the community itself and me and anet. closing down 12k views threads with 18 pages without any dev comment on a really hot Topic: FIRST MMO THAT DELETES LEGIT PROGRESS is just sad…

Why is CDI made if you don’t answer to things that really matter

Asia Skyly.7198:

AtriustheGod.6785:

These are all high scores. And they’re all “just a number.” And they can all be reset as easily as fractal level. Some people care about them, others don’t. Fractal Level is also a high score. It is very important for a very devoted section of the Guild Wars community. Why turn your backs on them? They have every right to the number that is most important to them.

You know what happened to the Donkey Kong Machine around the corner whenever it was unplugged, or worse, they took it away for the NEW Donkey Kong Machine?

Yeah, it is a GAME. If you don’t think the game aligns with your values move on. If you were 80 before, I have no doubts you will be at the top of that leader-board, crushing, in no time.

The people who were 80 before, were so due to to skill. No one has taken their skills away.

PPl who have a house a good Job a legendary whatever got it through they’re Money personality Patience … sooo take em away they’re house they built and say build a new one . take away they’re Job and sayy hey it was just a Job your skill is still good take away all legendaries and say hey it’s just a legendary you have still the skill Money whatever to get a new one…

you get my Point?

All Money, Karma, WxP , PVPranks , Levels, Chars, Equiptment I have in this game I can get again. I have enough skill for it.. true so let’s just delete all?

The Point is they’re not taking my skill but my Time .. if they leave my reward Level I can do 81 and say hey I’m skilled enough for this new content do the achievs and put it aside. Now I have to grind up many hours just that maybe in a year when they release lvl 60 they will wipe it out again to have a race … does this makes sence .. nope.

Main reason they delete me is: I COULD PROOVE THAT 80 IS STILL THE HARDCAP AND THIS DUNGEON AIN?T EVER BE INFINITE! if they delete me I can’t Show this.. because I can’t Level up there again cause of the new hardcap. all the 80’s that did it past january patch can’t proove it because they can’t finish 80 I can proof it because I’m at 81 and will see if it ports me back to 80 when I open 81 as it did before or it doesn’t. Since a year I want an answer on this question I asked as soon as I realized 80 could be the cap if it is the cap.. I didn’t get an answer for a year now… So i really was hopping to find out this time:)

JMar.3254:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

your selfish Little Boy it should start from 81 were the real cap was it’s an Expansion so it should expand the Content that was avaiable

I’m not selfish, little, or a boy.

If they start it at 81, I’m fine with that.

However, I believe there was an obvious soft cap at 50. Which I thought was apparent Anet wanted us to stop there. You choose to go to 80, which is fine.

Either way it shouldn’t start at 30 so they reset the people that ACTUALLY enjoyed fractals.

I 100% guarantee all the people they are coddling to get to play the new content, will stop playing it in two weeks when they get to farm more mindless events with the LS.

it should start at 81 or 0 if they want TRUE leaderboards… 30 is just the middle to not kitten most Players of but it’s not a fair leaderboard either way not for the old guys not for the new guys… and yeah sorry for beeing offensive.. but I can’t tell it often enough since most ppl doing early Progress with about 5 ar some of us did Play with 5 ar to 80 how should we even feel a softcap at 50 .. btw there wasn’t one as I said in an other thread there was a Group that was able to do nice Teamwork and surive agony with deathshroud heal and fullhealsets .. they just did this at all Levels from about 20 where you did get hit hard with only 5 ar way to 80… how could such Players feel a cap or anything same with using rez orbs if you start using this at 46 cause you don’t have enough ar and go on all way to 80 how should you feel a cap? there is just so many Posts of guys who haven’t been playing the old fractals before patch commenting on stuff they haven’t experienced or don’t know about it ( I don’t mean you here ). Thef fact is that most Players that went for 80 straight didn’t have the max agony availible at the time they went there. For a simple fact we just did not have the time to farm the infusions and rings ect to get more AR we just didn’t. ppl only got so far because they didn’t rely on gear at bosses and just could dodge everything learned it early and didn’t just realise it half way through that they can’t depend ont hey’re gear anymore.. I coulnd’t rely on my AR from 10-80 I had 5 AR at 24 cause I dropped a ring ( a non infused this was old reward System) and had about 15 when I hit 60… so you see we never ever really looked at AR and siad… hey guys we have 15 AR let’s not go on till we have enough to Progress we were more like " ya guys we don’t Need ar we have skill so move on and let’s not waste time farming if we don’t Need to "

i agree if its solely for leaderboards, its a waste of time, no one cares. If they say thats the ONLY reason, i will take back my words, and fully support you getting access to level 50. not that i would be against you getting it now, just pointing out that you havent earned it.

if it would be for leaderboards they Need to reset it to 0 yeah I would loose 81 Levels than but at least it is a reset than now they make a pseudo reset to not kitten of the casual playerbase that is from 0 -30

phys.7689:

JMar.3254:

I would also like to point out that Anet stated they are resetting levels to accommodate the leaderboards.

That is the ONLY reason they provided. Everybody here arguing is making up reasons they see fit.

i agree if its solely for leaderboards, its a waste of time, no one cares. If they say thats the ONLY reason, i will take back my words, and fully support you getting access to level 50. not that i would be against you getting it now, just pointing out that you havent earned it.

if it would be for leaderboards they Need to reset it to 0 yeah I would loose 81 Levels than but at least it is a reset than now they make a pseudo reset to not kitten of the casual playerbase that is from 0 -30

also if instabilities turns out not actually change much at all, i would also agree

VOLKON.1290:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

your selfish Little Boy it should start from 81 were the real cap was it’s an Expansion so it should expand the Content that was avaiable

No, it’s not an expansion. It’s a change. Increased rewards, increased challenges. Added leader boards (which I care little about). New content added as well.

well this expands the old fractals doesn’kitten you see the Point is if the new Content is harder than 80 it should be placed at 80 if it’s not harder than it should leave my Level alone if it’s so much diffrent than they should place it in another area….

What is the Problem if they would add it from 81 the new mechanics and stuff? besides geargating wich anyway is a Problem so it doesn’t matter? I deserve to be on top of a FRACTAL LEADERBOARD since I have one of the highest Levels but I woulnd’t be on top there is a Group with 82:)

just a thought this is a new update: where do new update normal starts like expansions?

ahhh yeah they start at the end of the old Content… soo they should just start it from scale 81 up if the Content is as hard as they say it won’t matter for leaderboards since I will be stuck on 85 cause it’s reallly hard Content and you guys can catch up and Show me that you deserve those Levels … no Problem there… or it’s not hard and I will get to 130 still searching for the challenge and stop doing it… but also than you guys can catch up… they should do the expension based on the old cap and the old cap was 80 .. no Point in arguing here it’s the only cap I saw when I played..

Mortifer.2946:

You still don’t understand that old 30+ levels were thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis much easier that new 30+ levels? That’s the only reason why they deleted the last 20 levels. and 51+ were not supposed to be obtainable so Anet doesn’t care about those.

why aren’t they supposed to be attainable. So heres the Story for some of you even if I’m an old acient relict I gonna tell you this: Anet realeased a new dungeon with infinite Levels Players wanted to go as high as they could to seek for real challenge ppl got to Level 80 and realised that this is the cap sooo where did anet not intend us to go there? the agony on scale 50-79 you could survive (before the patch with softcap at lvl 40 ) with cooridnating a Team really nice if you had a necro with deathshroud an ele with rezsignet and heal and guards with elite tome on top of that you used perfect Timing and a fullset of healing power. Sooo absolutly nothing used here besides skills to Keep 1 of the Group alive.. you can’t blame on any exploit or anything… so stop infracting ppl with saying we weren’t intended to go there you have no proof. and I know for a fact that it was possible without rez orbs or 99% rez or rock things.. So we were intended to go there! otherwise they would just have told us when I asked them if 80 is the cap 11 months ago:)

Dondarrion.2748:

Sorry, I can understand your feeling of loss that your level progression is now brought inline with the new game mechanics, but you’ve already had your fun and challenge going past the “supported” limits of the game and obviously got your compensation through plentiful amounts of drops. That you “beat” the system and developers oversight in programming does not now entitle you to extra rewards now that they’ve revised the system and introduced a new ladder carrying from lvl 30 and onwards.

ok against this Argument I say nope I dind’t have fun or challenge I just did grind those Levels because they promised me hard Content at the end of the road(I was one of the first Groups if not the first to hit 80 and actually see there is a cap we we’re confused I asked here if this is the cap ect I and my whole Group was dissapointed that this was the biggest difficulty we we’re imagin to see first lvl 85 Mobs having lvl 100 as first ect… 80 was only meaning full for lvl 85 Mobs ).. what I did was working hard to get a challenge what I got was :
- first Punch in the face : fractals not infinite and not the hard Content I was looking for
- second Punch in the face: Your not able to get daily chest above 50 anymore ( you got at least for sure fractal weapons at lvl 80 daily wich would have been Kind of a reward but we coulnd’t and didn’t farm it because we had no stress since we we’re at the cap)
- third Punch in the face: Your progrss is meaningless we Delete it.

Don’t even think about knowing what we felt when we did fractals or know what reasons we have to do so and the rewards they didn’t even make up for the rez orbs we had to use all 2 Levels to advance to kill maw. so no rewards no challenge tell me what was my reward now?

P.S no oversight in programming THERE IS A HARDCAP AT 80!

DusK.3849:

cesmode.4257:

DusK.3849:

I see a lot of complaining, and absolutely no suggestions.

There have been suggestions for years man, what are you reading?

His post. There are no suggestions in it. Just a bunch of complaining.

My Suggestion: you should never ever take away legit Progress from ppl in a game!

what you expect are ppl suggesting if they say hey we just delete all your Progress… actually saying and complaining it is a bad move is the Suggestion to not make the move… because they would loose all of their credibility if they as FIRST MMO EVER DELETE LEGIT PLAYER PROGRESS!

Mortifer.2946:

in year, there will be a new expansion

that resets all your Progress and Level to 0 so not worth even starting to Play fractals:)

I was in the same situation a year ago should I start or not. honestly I recommand not going to fractals I mean you could start nooo as all others do but think of it what will be a year from now…..

YES there will be an UPDATE that WIPES all your PROGRESS!

phys.7689:

JMar.3254:

khani.4786:

I don’t get the QQ. I mean…it’s not like Anet blew up all of tyria, shut down the game and told us….come back next year and the world will be “reborn”. Oh and you’ll have to buy the game again….

If getting to the high level fractals was a challenge you enjoyed then you should enjoy the BRAND NEW challenges that you’ll be facing starting with the different gambits at level 30. It’s not just going to be a stupid “how to overcome the suicide machine” there will be actual mechanics to figure out how to progress through the level. (is my hope anyway based on what I’ve read)

Or are you afraid that you can’t get back up to your old level?

This keeps getting tossed around and it’s really annoying.

Lets reset all of your characters to level 1 and remove all the gear. You already had your fun leveling up, and you did it for the challenge, so what, are you scared you can’t get back to lvl 80? Are you scared you can’t farm another legendary.

Logic is hard.

its not the same. They didnt take away your power, your traits, your items. It would be more like if they Blew up and altered Orr and moved and changed all the waypoints. And i lost my waypoints there.

If it made Orr a better more fun place with exciting new content, i would welcome it. I would love exploring and finding the new areas, stories and getting the new waypoints.

you lost your waypoints to a map that no longer exists. If you loved that map it sucks, but getting access to all the new waypoints in the new zone, that you have yet to explore isnt really logical either.

That said, it wouldnt effect me if they gave you the waypoints, but i wouldnt respect your New Orr explorer title. And i wouldnt go to you for advice on New Orr because lets be honest you havent explored it at all.

If this if what you think I really think they should have deleted all legendaries that were redesigned I mean comon you had an old model of legendaries… no one will ever see the old legendaries again.. so they should be deleted and you didn’t make the new legendaries under the new conditions for example marketprices new dungeons that were Changed for tokkens… sooo they really should have deleted all those Legendaries that were made under the OLD conditions!

Konu.1826:

I expected nothing more than that and even still forums will be flooded with nerf nao threads. Also that quote screams for some clarification in my opinion. Less difficult curve compared to what? Current 1-50 compared to new 1-50 or something else?

even if it’s compared to 1-80 … it would still be easy for most 80’s sooo anyway it will be a joke and most ppl will be on 50 after the time they have the gear or things that are needed if they would make it so you can choose the difficulty Level you want and get it once you complete it ( so you don’t have to farm low Level junk) than you would see lvl 50’s in a day:)

I did the work too somewhen when they go to rework fractals I will have a challenge somwhere around Level 200 or so maybe… so it was work now they set me back to 30 tell me it’s difficulty is about 50-60 if you go 30-50 and yeah I see only grind no challenge soo…

for you a question are you afraid that I take your illusions by completing 81 day 1 the patch is out?

cesmode.4257:

lordkrall.7241:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

I why I was supposed to be somwhere I did scale 81 when they said it’s an infinity dungeon before any agony cap at scale 50 … ooooo Boy don’t speak if your not informed … Show me a single post that a dev Posts that I shoulnd’t be on 81… when I hit 81 … I asked em they didn’t answer guess I’m supposed to be there… why are you sooo jalous ?

Why do you think you can’t mitigate the Agony at lvl 51 no matter how much AR you have?

Late to the debate, but they did say the dungeon is infinite. The levels can go on and on. Being limited to a max agony cap prevents this. So, the dungeon is essentially soft capped at 50 or 55 or whatever.

I’ve learned not to believe the hype in GW2 machine. I knew that some how this dungeon was not infinite. It was infinite so long as there is enough agony resist in the game, and there isnt.

not quite true it isn’t infinite the scaling of Mobs and my experience Shows it is finit at scale 80 every scale that you open higher than 80 will port you back into 80 so if you open 81 81 or whatever you will get ported back to 80 instance.. what happened to us on thrid fractal when we wanted to finish 81 is I think a rare bug ( there are several things that bug out on 80 so I think it was designed to be 80 caps same for Mobs that aren’t 85 and should be 85)

nope I take your Illusion it’s not only because of gear you can’t Progress the dungeon itself isn’t designed infinite.

leaderboards would only make sence if the dungeon was infinite and not geargated so ppl with highest Levels that are fighting actually fighting over the challenge to complete that Level.

VOLKON.1290:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Protoavis.9107:

Really, I didn’t maintain my magic find without having to salvage a tonne of gears to re-earn it. I didn’t get some exclusive reward that no one in the future would ever be able to obtain like people are asking for now as compensation…all I got was the loot I already had and a worthless set of gear that couldn’t be sold as I already had all stat combinations I required on that toon and resulted in 4 ecto’s….I’ll give you four ecto’s if you want, it’s great compensation

really resorting to personal attacks?

so you got compensation what you do with it your Problem but no Need to argue ppl got compensated again.. Name me 1 MMO were legit LEVELPROGRESS has been deleted so far?

You’re not losing any “legit level progress”. You’re still level 80. Your progress is Fractals is being locked because that old content will no longer be available, but you’ll be able to start the new Fractal challenges at fractal level 30.

look I think I now got what you try to say… it’s true we didn’t the old stuff ( still I personally think the new won’t be that hard if you know the old pretty well since it’s all the same fractals just 1 new mechanic) anyway…. The Point is I get kittenstormed from so many ppl that I’m an exploiter ect atm that I don’t really defer who’s speaking to me and don’t read to closly so to sum it up you want:
that all starts where Content is new no matter if it is lvl 1 or 50 or 30 in our case.
what I want is:
that a Company can’t delete legit Progress if they intend to do they should speak to their community or at least have a legit form of Retro reward that is at least as exclusive as having those Levels.

so we completly speaking about diffrent Topics there would be no Problem if they just have done seperate fractals volume2 but the diffrence between the existing ones I have experienced and the new ones seem to be not tooo big. So personally I guess I have enough experience after few runs with new mechanics to easy complete old fractals on scale 81 or 80 depending if they release the hardcap again(at least if my 5 ar is still enough). It’s only 1 new out of many mechanics you Need to look at the whole old dungeon is the same where you basicaly know every mob. I personally and others do as well don’t think the Content will be hard in a sence of skill maybe to aquire all gear.. but as I have showed in the past I did all they’re so called hard Content without having issues. Means I never ever had to think about bufffood ( besides the mf buffood I use now and than). → Shows all Content out of last year wasn’t hard for me just another Promis to do things hard ( btw 80 was completed by some vets latly with no gear on.. showing how easy it is … new fractals won’t be hard:)) so yeah there is my Point why I could Keep my Progress without harming guys since I guess I could do it still on that lvl and wanna do it without beeing forced to farm up to Show it

Protoavis.9107:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Protoavis.9107:

VOLKON.1290:

Protoavis.9107:

Nephitis.8201:

Protoavis.9107:

Pino.5209:

Protoavis.9107:

Wethospu.6437:

Could you guys explain what so big and important you are going to lose if we get to keep your progress?

Protoavis.9107:

Do you know how many people had maxed out magic find only for it to be striped from their gear, their magic find reduced to zero and be made account wide for everyone….and no one went on the entitlement rampage some are now even though magic find gear was far more obviously intended than 50+ fractals….if you need to rely on a cash store item to progress, that’s pay to win…what are anet against?
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And people got compensated for losing MF-gear which has also been repeated multiple times. I seriously hope you are trolling.

compensated by having to salvage a tonne of gear to get back their progress…woo!

The biggest compensation was account wide MF structure itself.
Yeah, it’s a slippery slope all these deleting kitten. Doesn’t make it all right.

Well there’s your reward here, account wide fractal levels, even right? At least the account wide fractal level isn’t set to 0 like everyones magic find….

Actually players didn’t lose their MF gears, they get to choose any other stat they want. Gears were not simply deleted as it is the case now with progression.

There magic find was and seeing as I was talking about magic find….

Their magic find… hell, my magic find, was definitely changed, but in exchange we got account wide MF, a nice boost to get things started and a really simple means to built MF for the entire account without having to sacrifice stats. MF became more accessible for everyone at any level. It was worth the trade off (to me) to sacrifice a high MF on one character temporarily when the long term projections were taken into account.

Which is my point, it was for the greater good as is this change. People lost progress back then and were required to regain it, as they are now. Overall point is, if people complain every time someone looses progress the game is force to stagnate in various areas instead of improving for everyone.

Ppl got compensated for they’re Progress back than so they should do this noo… man either you won’t understand it and are a troll or you aren’t the smartest guy in town!

Really, I didn’t maintain my magic find without having to salvage a tonne of gears to re-earn it. I didn’t get some exclusive reward that no one in the future would ever be able to obtain like people are asking for now as compensation…all I got was the loot I already had and a worthless set of gear that couldn’t be sold as I already had all stat combinations I required on that toon and resulted in 4 ecto’s….I’ll give you four ecto’s if you want, it’s great compensation

really resorting to personal attacks?

so you got compensation what you do with it your Problem but no Need to argue ppl got compensated again.. Name me 1 MMO were legit LEVELPROGRESS has been deleted so far?

VOLKON.1290:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

VOLKON.1290:

spoj.9672:

It makes sense that they reset to 30 because they are introducing instabilities and leadersboards at lvl 30. It doesnt make sense that they are introducing instabilities and leaderboards at lvl 30 instead of lvl 50. Which is why the reset is kitten ing a lot of people off.

Actually it makes perfect sense to start at level 30 instead of 50. It’s about accessibility for the community. 30 is much more feasible when it comes to getting people to commit to reaching that target to experience instabilities. If they didn’t change it until level 50 then people that have given up on reaching 50 more likely than not wouldn’t be enticed back to Fractals to try and reach content they already have given up on due to level.

Level 30 gives you accessibility that’s reasonable for most people with a moderate degree of effort. It’ll be a challenge for some to get there, yet won’t feel as insurmountable kitten does for many.

Resetting everyone to 30 means that no one is automatically inserted into the new Fractal system having already skipped 20 or so levels of the new challenges. Congratulations for those that got to 50 and beyond in the old system, you definitely earned that. However this is a different path of progression now, and no one is being allowed to skip content and go straight to the end.

Starting at 30 also means that lower level (and new) players have a buffer before instabilities where they can learn the mechanics of the Fractals and experience them first, then gain familiarity with agony and how AR works. By the time you hit level 30 you should be well versed enough to handle greater challenges.

actually it would make perfect sence for you to start at Level -12/-13 you loose 51 Level from your about 28/29 and I loose 51 Levels from my 81 … stop trolling and posting LIES ty!

Trolling and posting lies? Really? Our opinions differ but that’s no reason to be insulting.

I’m stating why to me, logically, a reset to 30 makes sense. It is true, and I readily admit, that the change won’t affect me. But regardless I’m not the type to allow emotions to cloud logical thinking.

tell me the logic behind deleting legit Progress without compensation or a game it happened before ? and it was legit Progress I know a Group hitting 80 after us that could avoid maw agony ( back than agony was diffrent ) with a perfect Timing of guardbooks deathshroud from necro and ele rez, all on an extra set with healing power.

lordkrall.7241:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

I why I was supposed to be somwhere I did scale 81 when they said it’s an infinity dungeon before any agony cap at scale 50 … ooooo Boy don’t speak if your not informed … Show me a single post that a dev Posts that I shoulnd’t be on 81… when I hit 81 … I asked em they didn’t answer guess I’m supposed to be there… why are you sooo jalous ?

Why do you think you can’t mitigate the Agony at lvl 51 no matter how much AR you have?

you were able to do scale 70 Maw with a great Timing on rez book deathshroud ect so 1 guy didn’t get killed I did it with rez orb a Group that arrived at that scale after us did it with perfect Timing of Guardian books / necro deathshroud ele rez signet and heal on a extra set of full healspec…agony was diffrent back than and didn’t 1 hit you even on higher scales … sooo you could nigiate it with skill and groupplay what a dungeon that is considered the hardest dungeon should be about ? right? arguments that is invalid to get there aren’t valid at all!

lordkrall.7241:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

actually it would make perfect sence for you to start at Level -12/-13 you loose 51 Level from your about 28/29 and I loose 51 Levels from my 81 … stop trolling and posting LIES ty!

Which are 31 levels higher than you were supposed to be, so don’t expect any sympathy there.
The max-level was supposed to be 50, but people abused certain parts of the game in order to bypass that cap. ArenaNet shouldn’t (and won’t) take those people into consideration.

I why I was supposed to be somwhere I did scale 81 when they said it’s an infinity dungeon before any agony cap at scale 50 … ooooo Boy don’t speak if your not informed … Show me a single post that a dev Posts that I shoulnd’t be on 81… when I hit 81 … I asked em they didn’t answer guess I’m supposed to be there… why are you sooo jalous ?

VOLKON.1290:

spoj.9672:

It makes sense that they reset to 30 because they are introducing instabilities and leadersboards at lvl 30. It doesnt make sense that they are introducing instabilities and leaderboards at lvl 30 instead of lvl 50. Which is why the reset is kitten ing a lot of people off.

Actually it makes perfect sense to start at level 30 instead of 50. It’s about accessibility for the community. 30 is much more feasible when it comes to getting people to commit to reaching that target to experience instabilities. If they didn’t change it until level 50 then people that have given up on reaching 50 more likely than not wouldn’t be enticed back to Fractals to try and reach content they already have given up on due to level.

Level 30 gives you accessibility that’s reasonable for most people with a moderate degree of effort. It’ll be a challenge for some to get there, yet won’t feel as insurmountable kitten does for many.

Resetting everyone to 30 means that no one is automatically inserted into the new Fractal system having already skipped 20 or so levels of the new challenges. Congratulations for those that got to 50 and beyond in the old system, you definitely earned that. However this is a different path of progression now, and no one is being allowed to skip content and go straight to the end.

Starting at 30 also means that lower level (and new) players have a buffer before instabilities where they can learn the mechanics of the Fractals and experience them first, then gain familiarity with agony and how AR works. By the time you hit level 30 you should be well versed enough to handle greater challenges.

actually it would make perfect sence for you to start at Level -12/-13 you loose 51 Level from your about 28/29 and I loose 51 Levels from my 81 … stop trolling and posting LIES ty!

phys.7689:

Pino.5209:

Explaining the process of how they are going to wipe the bloody progressions, after players spending hours on it, is not going to make it all right to wipe it. No matter how.

Branding players exploiting while aanet basically abandon fractal for a year, is just go kitten awful to treat your players. We were forced to be creative on how to play the kitten fractal for challenges, while you sit and watch doing nothing.

Best solution is to leave the current fractal as it is and open new one with different scale. So be it the old fractals is done.
Wrap up the current fractals, hand out whatever rewards for those reach top level, special skins, cool title or whatever. And wrap it up, leave it as it is. And for once, come out in public, aanet, and admit “we FAIL on this fractal” … let’s start a new one and promise not to abandon the new 1 for freaking whole year.

most MMOs do not change or expand content much for a year, i think you are used to anet doing something every 2 weeks now. In fact many games dont change or expand until an expansion.

I do agree that they could have made the next fractals a different set, and kept access to the old, however that would probably further delay the changes to fractals, personally i would rather be reset to 1 then wait another 6 months for changes, but thats just my opinion.

To be honest i think people are more upset about the idea than the reality.

The reality will be a delete of at least 150 hours hardwork as far as I read the patch notes right… sooo what do I get wrong here?

Protoavis.9107:

angelpaladin.7921:

Nike.2631:

I think I might prefer that the just knock everyone back to 1. Its a new line up. It has new mechanics. Lets have a fresh start for everybody .

They have already done damage to the community… at this point the best thing they could do is just let people keep there current levels and apologize. They seriously wanted to make up for it they could remove the current person who is in charge of leading the design teams.

Or just remove fractals from the game entirely (you know like the rest of the LS) and then in a few months release it with a bunch of new features, levels, mechanics, name and say “have at it” anything to stop the entitled whining at this point, there’s people demanding 3 legendaries as compensation for their level being reduced….the entitlement is over the top.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

You lost nothing but a number. No
Did they take fractal relics from your account? Yes since I won’t be getting 15 each daily chests now
Did they take ascended items got? Yes the Chance to get multiple rings per day on multiple characters through accountbinding
Did they take any gold you earned? Yes, I invested my earned Gold in rez orbs in order to advance this Gold is than lost
Did they take any loot you found? Yes, I would get 10k Karma if I complete lvl + my loot tables are better
Did they take anything besides a number? Yes, all of the above + 150 hours of my hard work to get it.

I can see english isn’t your first language but you appear to understand and are being obtuse.

Things changing so you can’t do it in the future (15 relics, multiple rings) is not the same as them being taken away from your account. Things change in MMO’s all the time, this includes rewards, acting like those things are being taken from your account is juvenile and comes across like a 5 year olds tantrum.

The account binding thing has occurred to EVERYONE in pretty much EVERYTHING in game from world bosses, dungeons, etc it was pretty obvious it was going to happen to fractals also.

Tell me 1 MMO where it happened that ppl lost Progress in lvl after 1 year ? just Name me 1 ? where Progress was reseted out of the blue?

and man this with the 3 legnedarie… learn to read I told that 3 legendaries is the time I put into it I’m NOT ASKING FOR 3 LEGNDARIES FOR IT, BECAUSE 3 LEGENDARIES WOULND’T MAKE UP FOR IT. man the Point is if they take away the rarest Thing ingame eve if it is a number.. you Need if you want to make up for the loose reward things that are equaly rare… and legendaries even 5 woulnd not be equaly rare so there Need to be a Special 1 time reward…. if you don’t read the Posts entirly don’t just pick Little parts of it and put em together in your mind to complete nonsence … whats your Problem with me keeping my Level 81? see any Problem in this? tell me 1 good reason and 1 good MMO that has reseted Level Progress.

Protoavis.9107:

And now the thread went to demanding three legendaries for compensation…..

I didn’t demand for anything Just read… I did say that if they wanna do somthing it must be somthing as rare as the Thing we achieved … I demand: Don’t take legit Progress away from me!

I just wanted to give you some insight what it actually was what we did since you guys seem to have absoultly no clue… thinking an asc weapon box or daily chest could make up for it is ridiculus. If somthing can make up for it than only Special 1 time give out items/ titles… as I said 3 legendaries woulnd’t make up for it. read before you post ty

DHBM.7652:

What the heck is wrong with everyone’s grammar in this thread?

ppl might not be all native english Speaker sooo anyway no way I can cach up have the same issue here 50 Levels from 0 -50 wait this is less than I loose with the reset I loose 51 Level … :O

Takayuki.7485:

Right now FotM is essentially hardcapped at level 50. With the patch notes for the upcoming release and all the information I see on the forums, it’s worded to make believe we can do up through and including level 50. (opposed to level 49 being the highest doable one before)

Why this matters: If we can do level 50 it’s an addition daily. So essentially my question is, "Will I be able to do a 30 daily, a 40 daily, and fotm lvl 50 as a final daily.

Thanks in advance for the clarification.

it’s softcapped at lvl 50 and hardcapped at 80 atm… so not true they reduce the hardcap from 80→ 50 I can tell caues I’m 80 there can’t be a hadrcap on 50 if I can Play 80

So they are resetting level 80 fractal to 30. So what? They are resetting scale 81 as well..

witch means they take away the rarest Thing ingame rare than minipets sold on ebay for 1000 Dollars

You lost nothing but a number. No
Did they take fractal relics from your account? Yes since I won’t be getting 15 each daily chests now
Did they take ascended items got? Yes the Chance to get multiple rings per day on multiple characters through accountbinding
Did they take any gold you earned? Yes, I invested my earned Gold in rez orbs in order to advance this Gold is than lost
Did they take any loot you found? Yes, I would get 10k Karma if I complete lvl + my loot tables are better
Did they take anything besides a number? Yes, all of the above + 150 hours of my hard work to get it.

It wasnt even a number anyone but you could see. -> Again simply not True everyone could see it as soon as they enter your Party

How dare you to post so many lies?

Sidemark I loose more Levels (51 ) than I will be able to Play 1-50 ( 50)

Katahdin.8714:

I posted this because I didnt want it to get lost in the other thread.
So they are resetting level 80 fractal to 30. So what?
It is just a number. Much ado about nothing.

They are just saying that anything over 50 now equals 30 and there are new levels with new mechanics being added.

Most people “skipped” the odd levels anyway because of the extra chest the even ones gave. Now we wont have to repeat to gain levels.

You lost nothing but a number.
Did they take fractal relics from your account? No
Did they take ascended items got? No
Did they take any gold you earned? No
Did they take any loot you found? No
Did they take anything besides a number? No

It wasnt even a number anyone but you could see.
So sorry but I just dont get the big deal with this.
Threatening to quit the game over this is just plan silly.
You had alot of fun doing those fractals and now you have new ones to enjoy.

I am looking forward to not having to level alts any more.
I had a necro that was in the 20s but guess what necros arent good for high levels so I had to level another class. Big deal, now I can play any of them I want. As far as the account bound rewards. Most days except weekends I dont have time to run more than one set of fractals a day any way and most of the time I dont want to anyway.

If they decided to make the overall level cap for characters 60 instead of 80 but you still kept all the XP, the gold, the loot etc you got along the way, but now its 60 instead of 80, would you still be this upset? My guess is that people would rejoice that its no longer so long to get to level cap than it was before, and now leveling alts is much shorter.

This number is rarer in my case than an item ingame or any minipet that is there that is sold for 1000 Dollars on ebay.. and no it’s not just a number it’s 10k Karma as well

Pointy.9308:

I also got myself to level 49 and got myself an ascended rifle so I can put AR into it to play high level fractals without dying at Maw. I spent some time and most of my gold on it. And my effort goes down the drain. It is frustrating to loose it like that. But I would not need any compensation for it as far as they keep my personal reward intact. If after the patch when I star on lvl 30 I still get lvl 49 rewards. That would be enough for me since the cap is still 50. Unfortunatelly I haven´t read anywhere if Anet is just lowering the fotm lvl or the personal reward level as well. So, am I going to have lvl 30 fractals with lvl 30 rewards or lvl 30 fractals with lvl 49 rewards? I would be really upset with the first option but I am cool with the second one.

You know there are maybe about 10 ppl left in game that have the same scale I do 81 .. wich completet it when the game came out with a lot of effort… sooo if you had a item that is not able anymore completly given out to let’s say about 200 ppl but only 10 on active accounts left ( btw I know of less than 200 ppl who did fractals 81) … shoulnd’t they if sombody take away they’re item get somthing that is worth as much as they’re item… so what can make up for the item? see the rarest Thing you can get in gw2 is way more common than this scale 81 just saying… and yeah they go for about 1000 Dollars on ebay sooo mehhh

crouze.3078:

IceVyper.6810:

I wonder if there are any plans to reward players for the lost levels, like for example a double daily chest until they catch up to their previous level? And maybe an ascended weapon chest with selectable stats per additional character leveled over 30?

An ascended weapon chest would be way to much.

But getting 1 extra daily chest for each level you lost whenever you do the fractal daily is the best idea so far.

It’s similar to how the achievement chests or wvw rewards were introduced.

here some numbers I used at least 150 hours to Level up 30 – 81 wich I loose entirly as far as drop they didn’t even make up for the rez orbs used. so I loose 150 hours of work or 4500 Gold if I just farmed gambits instead or 3000.- in a Job after finishing highschool I’d get in my Country. Sooo nope 1 ascended weapon doesn’t make up for it it’s about the effort for at least 3 legendaries… and sitll even 3 legendaries coulnd’t make up for it because it’s no sign of skill… It seems you shouln’d be posting if you have no clue what ppl are loosing