Guild Wars 2

Dondarrion.2748:

She goes on about the Infinity Ball too, so maybe she can tap into alternative worlds like the one you’ve seen if you’ve done the Asuran personal story.

You know, the fact that the LS writers are willing to ruin what is arguably one of the best personal story in Guild Wars 2 by inserting Scarlet Sue in it in some way is mind boggling. Its things like these that kept me on reenforcing that Scarlet should have been retcon out of the game from the very start of her introduction. They should have not insert that crap into other story and call it “connecting to the players”. Its just rather insulting.

For god kittening sake, the amount of time Scarlet stand there tee heeing about how she was responsible for all the crap that happen in the Living Story, MY CHARACTER COULD HAVE KILL HER RIGHT THERE. But nope, not only she survive dictated by a forced cutscene, she walk slowly to the teleport, ignoring the fact that a group of adventurers could have kill her right then and there or follow and kill her beyond the portal.

Its just mind boggling the LS writers are willing to keep this crappy character in the game, let her destroy the lore, combined lore breaking alliances, wasted so many potential stories or interesting lores, and Scarlet still kittening lives after all that crap. So in many ways, many honor soldiers, pact men, and other civilians died during the assault by Scarlet, but hey, they add in fart joke during a Toxic Alliance cutscene and Scarlet that was voice by Twilight Sparkle just to show how serious they are in writing all this horrible stories.

LunarNacht.8913:

If they create a light armor for Charr that looks good, I’ll buy it.

This guy gets it.

The way I see it, its how Anet get money without forcing the monthly fee on the players. Even better, you can use ingame money to get these armor.

We learn that all the writers from Guild Wars 1 and Guild Wars 1 Beyond didn’t took part of this atrocity of a mess of a story.

Fallout.1798:

If you honestly believe that the cleansing of Orr and Trahearne’s knowledge of Orr did not help the Pact’s fight against Zhaitan, then you did not pay attention to the story at all.

You mean the part where the Pact figure this out on their own rather than having to use Trahearne’s knowledge, because that is what exactly what happen in the personal story. The part here is that Trahearne is shove into the Pact and make it seem he is the one doing things.

Fallout.1798:

With cutting down the Eye’s and Mouth’s of Zhaitan his influence was weakened, as well as his ability to use the them to gather magical artifacts, which Zhaitan feeds on.

Yeah because killing one of those really matter when there is a gazillion Eye Event in Malchor Fall or how there is a whole bunch of those Eye during the personal story. The mouth? The story had us believe we kill an important one during it but there is a giant one during the Arah Story that make that hard to believe. Like this ever matter considering that Zhaitan dies on the hand of the players when they spam 2 on the turrets.

Fallout.1798:

With the cleansing of Orr, the very land that Zhaitan had poisoned was fading underneath him ( or rather being cleansed), and Zhaitan would have to spend time and energy to re-poison the land (energy that should be noted, he was starting to become a bit hungry for, as his usual supply of food/magical artifacts was being cut down).

You mean like what Orr was before? Where its just a bunch of undead roaming around minding nobody business since Guild Wars 1? From the look of it, it seem that cleansing Orr did absolutely nothing that effect the hordes in the Arah Explorable, or the Arah Story, or the current Orr, or how Teq still rise from the Sea with the horde of Risen after Zhaitan death. Our goal is to kill the Dragon, not to follow the pansy salad man that steal the credit of everyone that “works” for him.

A Massive Headache.1879:

as for trahearne, he spent his entire life dedicated to stopping the dragons or at least zhaitan, you not so much. of course he’s in charge and not the player character

Trahearne spent his life researching Orr, not fighting the Dragon. Hell, the whole personal story is basically finishing HIS wyld hunt and has nothing to do with the elder dragon at all. Even then, cleansing Orr did nothing in the battle against Zhaitan and judging Teq and how he got buff recently, it did nothing to the risen at Orr either. Did his knowledge of Orr did anything to help the Pact Soldier? Nope. The Pact Soldier just invade and hell, did a better job in cleansing Orr with the Temple Event than Trahearne could in his life time.

Scarlet is in it. Its already horrible. Even worse. SHE RAN THE kittenING AWAY, AGAIN.

This update was suppose to give us the detail about the krait and how they form up with the Nightmare Court but nope, we got “Its all Scarlet idea” and gave us a mediocre boss fight. Big kittening deal.

Shiren.9532:

So what did Kormir do? She lead the Sunspears to slaughter

You mean the part where until the demon was summon, the invasion was a success? The PC and the Sunspear were slaughtering the Kourna and was able to push into the heart of the Moon Fortress. Everyone came to a shock when the demon spawn out of nowhere.

Shiren.9532:

needed to be rescued then watched as we did all the work from that point on only to be conveniently handed the gift from the gods.

Funny you mention that. Kormir was the guide in the realm of torment and was able to pull off an army of ghost sunspear to lead the PC to the Gate of Madness. And lets be honest here. Godhood is the only reason many players got beef with Kormir, ignoring the fact the game would end there if the PC got it, never mind the fact that there was potentially eight players and it would be a butt move if they just made the leader of the party god and not the rest. The last thing I want to see in GW 2 is the “supposed” PC that became a god got a statute of her own and in GW 2, the PC is depicted as a Male Mesmer In Tights because Anet says so.

Shiren.9532:

As soon as she became a god, all six of them went on an indefinite hiatus, coincidentally coinciding with Tyria’s greatest time of need. Apparently her uselessness is contagious and she infected the other five gods.

Newflash, the gods were already in hiatus by the time the PC and Kormir finish the Gate of Madness. In fact, they were in Hiatus for centuries prior to GW 1 event. Hell, the end of the Gate of Madness is basically the god saying “clean up your own mess”.

Xae Isareth.1364:

She is basically GW1’s Trahearne.

No, that would be Mhenlo in Guild Wars Faction. Oh god Mhenlo was a tool in that game.

Scarlet being dead when Wintersday comes around would be nice.

Mesmer if you like to attack single target more often, be a multitool in dungeons and Fractals, or if you like screwing people around in WvW. Go with Ele if you love to see a lot of damage numbers, aoe, dodging, and putting more effort than you normally would compare to the rest of the classes.

Romo.3709:

That was fixed months ago. If I’d have to shoot for date it’d be like 7-8 months back. Ever since then you couldn’t put Karma armor/weapons into the Mystic Forge to make a sell-able item. And since they took that away, you couldn’t use your Karma as you used to, hence the introduction of Orrian Boxes. You used to be able to salvage Karma items as well, and that was fixed even before MF fix.,

Oh, I am quite aware about the salvaging part and how so many people were banned during that month. I am also quite aware that the Mystic Forge part came in a bit later, but by then, there is no excuse NOT to use it to get money off of it after you spend all those karmas on ori gathering tools, salvage kits, armor, karma item tools like the stealth kit, and Obby Shards for legendaries, or Clover Money gambling. What I am saying is, there is no excuse to say “BUT I HAVE TOO MANY KARMA!??!?!” You could spend it all and make a few gold prier to the Orrian Treasure Box release.

Romo.3709:

The point is that people wanted to use Karma for something more than looks and spending it all on Orrian Boxes hoping to make a quick buck out of it

Again, refer to my previous post on how to make money with karma.

Romo.3709:

Now they finally gave it more purpose. Before introducing ascended armor you had following choices (after all the fixes):
-buy food items for crafting
-buy food to eat
-accessories/weapons/armor that you couldn’t do anything with after you were done using them
-Obsidian Shards that were used purely in crafting your legendaries
-some fun items here and there such as color changing, invisibility cloak etc.,

I’d still like Karma to be used for something else as well, but at this point I really wouldn’t want them to be used for anything more, because it is much harder to obtain than what it used to be,

The purpose is already there and justifying the nerf just to give Karma a purpose that already there to begin with is naive. You could save those karma and what not but from the looks of its, you would do the same if the karma nerf didn’t occur. The nerf was unnecessary and you know this. There were many uses for karma and you know this too.

Romo.3709:

It was useless because of vast amount of it we had after we spent it on exotic gears and such. That’s why the Orian boxes were introduced.

You could use the karma to buy 4 items and mystic forge it for a sellable item. Hell, you could get plenty of rares doing this. This was before they added the Boxes.

Romo.3709:

Now that Karma is used for many different other purposes, they nerfed it. It is way more useful than it was before. That’s why the nerf was an ill timing.

No, it means that the nerf wasn’t needed to begin with and the reason for the nerf is because people were complaining about having too much of it and not know what to do with it, despite the fact that you could make money off of it or use it to dress up an alt with those temple exotic. Karma were already useful prior to the nerf and that kind of mentally doesn’t justified it in being nerf or making it “useful”. Its through this that both new and old players are going to suffer from the rarity of karma.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Then wouldn’t it have made more sense to make it so you could buy T6 mats with it, but with a hefty karma cost attached? For example, you could get a full stack of 250 Vials of Powerful Blood…for 500K karma. There, people wouldn’t complain that they have too much karma. They’d be complaining because they didn’t have enough.

Just use the karma to buy the Orr Treasure Box for those junk or buy 4 karma item and mystic forge that. Use the money to buy the material. I am sad to see that many people fail to see that.

Romo.3709:

Yeah it was all based on the fact that Karma was useless.

It was never useless to begin with and its more that people aren’t inform as to what they could do with the karma to make a quick penny. Sadly, this kind of mentailly is the reason why we might not see an increase in karma rewards from now on.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Just as a note karma wasn’t really nerfed, it is still much higher than it was at release. Sure it was brought down from the unholy levels of karma rain that it was before, but I just built back up 500k of the stuff after spending the last million I accumulated and spent.

Legendary weapons do take some work, but you don’t even need karma anymore for a legendary due to the free obsidian shards that are thrown at you for pretty much everything.

It doesn’t have to be that way and they could at least left the karma reward after finishing a dungeon. Hell, they added that reward at the end of the dungeon because people were complaining that it takes too long to get a large amount of karma to begin with.

Dutchdevil.6902:

Can you tell me why you nerfed it this bad?

I recall prior to the update, people in this PARTICULAR forum were complaining that they have too much karma and that karma is everywhere. They also complain that they do not know what to spend with the karma.

This animation error have been here for a long time but I have yet seen some one reported this error (or maybe the search tool is broken). Basically, using the toolbelt of the skill Hidden Pistol with an Charr Engineer gave a weird animation sequence. Here is the screenshot of it. The position of the dual pistols is unnerving.

BobbyStein.2315:

It’s more a matter of finishing what we started, implementing what we’ve already designed, and setting the game up for the next arc. I think it’s best that we try and give this story a satisfying conclusion rather than abandon it because some people aren’t fans of the villain.

If that is the case, at the very least, keep Scarlet OUT of Fractal or anything related to the Fractal. I purposely play Fractal to AVOID Scarlet and I would not be quite happy when I find out that the Thaumanova Reactor Fractal added Scarlet in it just because.

BobbyStein.2315:

I want to make it clear, though, that I’m not ignoring the opinions of people who don’t like elements of this Living World story. Folks such as yourself have made it pretty clear why you don’t like it. You just have to understand that catering to every taste and dropping everything that’s currently in progress in favor of a new idea just isn’t practical. But we can take that feedback, discuss it along with the rest of the lessons we’ve learned over the past year, and take it into consideration as we plan future releases.

A lot of people simply doesn’t like Scarlet. I personally want her retcon.

To be honest, right until the Scarlet introduction, I was okay with what the game has to offer. You have some stories about the interaction with the South Sun, the exploration of the Zephyr Sanctum, the evolving story with the charrs, norns, and the lion guards from the South Sun, etc. With Scarlet’s introduction, she brought in the Invasion Event and I think its potential is wasted for the likes of her. If anything, you guys could have made this with the Elder Dragons rather than pigeonholing that lore breaking sylvari into the event. The game also felt less immersive when the yellow text pop up saying that the Invasion is happening in X location while I was doing something like WvW or Fractal.

And while we are talking about the Living Story, for the love of god, stop making it a Scarlet Story. The Living Story stop feeling like a Living Story and more about a Saturday Morning Cartoon with Scarlet as the Villain. You guys could have use the Living Story to expand so many stuff that is already place ingame. You could have use it to tell a story about the Ebonhawke and focus on the Separatists/Charr Renegade plot and if the treaty was successful, you could have a gate to Lion’s Arch open in Ebonhawke. You could have expanded on the Centaurs in the Harathi Hinterlands and you could go as far as adding a dungeon there when you defeat Ulgoth in the final event. You could have expanded the history of the disappearance of the Dinosaurs in the Tarnished Coast and we get to discover how something as big as a T-Rex disappear after 250 years. You could explore the ruins of the Dwarf in the Shiverpeaks and learn about their whereabouts.

I could go on and on with what potential the Living Story have to offer in regards to telling a story with the base content provided by Guild Wars 1 and Guild Wars 2. Tequatl, Zephyr Sanctum, South Sun, and the Holiday events was the right direction in this regard and I hope that it would come to your sense that the Scarlet Story should stop for the sake of it.

If I want something for any future Living Story, it must meet these conditions:

-Kick Angel McCoy out of the LS group and place her where she does less damage to the lore and story
-Rehired any Writers that did the Guild Wars Beyond, the Charr Personal Story, and the Asura Personal Story
-Work on adding more area and focus on that area and its inhabitants. For example, in Ebonhawke, you could watch and help the treaty finish on both side and even have a Gate to Lion’s Arch open up, or help the humans fend off the Centaurs and have a dungeon at the World Boss area in the Harathi Hinterlands and use the dungeon to explore the lore on the Centaur, the Bandits they work for, their technology, and even the slavery that goes around it.
-Gemshop is inevitable, but don’t use it as an excuse to keep Scarlet around. Use it to benefit the Living Story. That being said…
-KILL OR RETCON OFF SCARLET

Mordremoth doesn’t deserve to be tainted with Scarlet as her champion. Mordremoth deserve better than to pair up with that mary sue.

This “feature” shouldn’t have been consider in the first place in a PvE area. If they wanna use the stomp, either they use it on a epic boss like the Karka Queen last year, PvP, and WvW. That feature would ruin the flow of the battle and is a waste of time, all thing consider. I would bet those that wanted this feature never actually tries to dungeon or fractal to understand how dangerous standing still is in those area. CM, CoF, Fractal +20 level, TA, HotW, AC with those ghost, etc. You will DIE trying to stomp those npcs there. And there the Personal Story. God forbid you have to stomp all those Risen in the Battle of Claw Island. God forbid if you are caster. Speaking of caster, you casters would be paper when you have to walk up to the npc and stomp them.

You could “argue” that you can just keep attacking, but that is a waste of precious time and you know it.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

It’s far from naive. Let me give you one example:

Voice Acting. It is an external resource that ArenaNet must pay for. If they have more money to put to this, they can not only get new voice actors, but can afford to have those they already hired to do more lines and give more time to voice acting. The reverse occurs too – the less money they have, the few actors and time (therefore few voiced lines and variation of voices) they can afford.

The same goes for all other external resources they have, though I believe GW2 is more internal than not in comparison to most games. That’s how the business world works after all. There’s only so much you can do without paying money. More so for companies.

He is right that you are naive. The money they earn would be use to further fund this horrible Living Story. The VA cash? All goes to Tara Strong to voice Scarlet. You cannot deny that Tara Strong is expensive, especially with her VA records. External resource? That is a funny way of saying stockholders and funding other NCsoft Games.

Jeff.4680:

I don’t understand how the same people that wrote the plot, quest dialogues, and backstory in Guild Wars could produce something such as Scarlet, but I’m really hoping to be proven otherwise.

They were not written by the same person from Guild Wars 1. The person in charge of writing most of the living story and Scarlet is Angel McCoy. She is also in charge of making the game less “human centric”. How was this accomplish? By screwing up GW 1 and making them insignificant. At the same time, she favor the Sylvari race by adding that abomination of Scarlet into the game. Here is a interesting link in regard to Angel and how she is destroying GW 1.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/lore/Angel-McCoy-Interview

As for Scarlet, there is too much to say about that kitten. Here is my response to that.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/lwd/I-don-t-like-Scarlet-Briar/first

Malediktus.9250:

I completed Kessex Hill without problems on a character after this update happened. Maybe you are doing something wrong.

You have a year worth of experiences with this game. Look into the eyes of the new players (if there any left) that comes into the game. Stuff like this and the F&F made those newbies area hell for them.

RyuDragnier.9476:

It has been redacted. Also, what other games do IS relevant, due to the mere fact that the reason people are getting on the case of those wanting more male characters is because there’s a huge difference in the male to female ratio of heroes in videogames.

Like I mention before, GW 1 balance the role of both Genders. As for any other games, ANY Game made and written by Chris Avellone is a shining example of how to write a character of both sexes. Games like Fallout 2, New Vegas, Neverwinter 2/Mask of the Betrayal, Kotor 2 with Kreia as one of the best female character made in any video game I ever played, and Planescape: Torment.

Templar.3418:

Probably because females are better to look at then males or some crap. We need a strong male lead at some point though, one who is strong and of good character. One who does not lose to like 1 or 2 enemies like most NPC’s but tis a killing machine!

Why not put Logan into kill mode or something? Get some more Troy Baker action going on.

I want Rylock Brimstone back and kicking everyone’s butt.

Aedelric.1287:

That was a very well thought out post, well done Qawsada.

If the living story predominantly falls on the shoulders of Angel McCoy then I think she needs to have less input, not because of the male/female issue but because the story itself is fairly mediocre and Scarlet is a poorly conceived villain.

Its worse then that. Angel Mccoy is NOW in charge of Guild Wars lore. Her interview didn’t really help my liking towards her as she basically demolish any lore GW 1 has and how its insignificant because its human centric. Here is the thread about this ordeal:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/lore/Angel-McCoy-Interview

RyuDragnier.9476:

But every male hero type has been done too many times before. Female hero types however, they’re not used nearly as much as the males. I welcome more female types, but I do wish to see more into their overall personalities instead of what we’re currently seeing. I have a feeling we will the next update to the Tower, considering there’s a rumor going around that Kasmeer dies…

The term “if its not broken, don’t fix it,” comes into mind. You already mention the poor personalities and characterization of the female characters, so I would not mention that. The problem stem that the male characters we do have in the LS is either a baffoon for a norn, a fool, an evil merchant, and Logan being a punching bag. I am all for more female characters IF they are properly written. The one we have either steal your spotlight or their personality is as dry as wall paper.

Nyxion.9142:

It’s for AP whores. They can earn season 1 and LS achievements without leaving EB.

That itself isn’t a good reason to add in those Living Story enemies in the borderlands and the Eternal Battle. If anything, they interfere with the merc camps and make scouting more annoying.

When I use the Nearest Enemy hotkey, it doesn’t actually target the closest target IF there is a rank diffraction among the foes. For example, if there is a group of a boss and its minions, the Nearest Enemy hotkey seem to target the boss over the minion, despite the fact the minion is in melee range and the boss is in mid range.

kamedin.4698:

Most of the male heroes were in the first game, now its the female’s turn.

This is absolutely wrong, but I am going to play along with this.

In Guild Wars 1, there is a balance of male and female that follow, help, and guide the PC. In Prophecies, in the male category, we got Rurik, King Jalis Ironhammer, Ghost of Turai Ossa, and arguably, Vizier Khilbron. On the female category, we got the Shining Blade Leader Evennia, Saidra, and freaken Glint, the Crystal Dragon that started the whole game with one simple Prophecy.

In Faction, there is a lot less characterization here but we got Togo, Mhenlo for the male section while the female section got Kuunavang, a wise and incredibaly old dragon that gave the power to the PC that would swiftly kill Shiro and his minions. There are tons of minor characters in both factions Kurzicks and Luxons that show both side of gender equality and power.

In Nightfall, oh boy. Thanks to the hero system and how the story plays along with them and the PC, we got some interesting character interaction of both sexes. For the male side, we got Koss, Dunkoro, Zhed Shadowhoof, THE Master of Whisper, and Joko while the female side got Kormir (aka the new human GOD), Melonni, Margrid the Sly, Tahlkora, and Kehanni.

In the Eye of the North, for the female side, we got Gwen and Captain Langmar as the head leader of the Ebon Vanguard, Jora the slayer of the first Jormag Corrupted, Livia, and Oola the golemmancer. For the male side, we have Vekk and his father Gadd, Ogden Stonehealer, and Pyre Fierceshot, the starter of the Charr Revolution.

For the War in Kryta, there are characters all over the place but you have to know that Queen Salma is one of the main important NPC in this arc.

Finally, the Wind of Change. Here we have Zei Ri that represent the male and Miku for the female.

I know I miss a lot of characters here and there but I am pointing out the main characters, Why do I list this? Well, to show that GW 1 was balanced with the sexes in their roles and how saying that its just a male only game is a wrong statement. It also show that the writers of these game, stand alone, and Beyond (aka Living story of Guild Wars 1) were not presented in the Living Story of GW 2.

My understanding that the person in charge of writing the overall story for the LS was Angel Mccoy. It comes to no surprises that she favored writing all these female “hero” npc and Scarlet and never bother writing a competent male character.

Okay, tell me. Why, WHY would you add this living story into the World vs World? There is a Season 1 happening and you added this? There are bugs and glitches and you think its a good idea to place these toxic content in areas like the Merc Camps instead?

Tiirikka.7291:

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Sorry, but I rather have another way for the dragon to appear in the game than using that weed as an anchor for such.

Aedelric.1287:

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Heh, yeah. Its totally a problem when Anet said some random NPC is your nemesis and this would seem out of no where when you got a returning player or a new player involved. Unless these players were there at the time of the event occurs, then they would not know how or why that weed was their nemesis. At least the Personal Story has some NPC that act like a nemesis to your PC and they are always viewable when you start the PS rather than doing the quest in some obscure real life time and date.

zamalek.2154:

Qawsada.4251:

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While I agree with all that you said, here’s the reality: Thaumanova will be about Scarlet Briar or at the very least another do-goody-two-shoes Sylvari. If it’s not Scarlet or Canach another Sylvari will be created for the fractal. Do I like that fact? No. I accept it and move on – just like I ignore trolls in map chat; I ignore Sylvari NPCs.

My prediction: Scarlet was studying at the reactor as part of her course at the Rata Sum colleges. Edit: It blew up during her attempt to see the eternal alchemy due to the power draw of the experiment.

And one of the reason why I made this thread is to acknowledge the problem before it happen. The fractal might have potential of exploring the asura and the inquest. The way I see it, does not need that mary sue salad added into the mix, but with event like that Krait Tower happening, I rather complain about it now.

Havvy.4897:

I’d rather see Scarlett than Kudu in a Fractal. Kudu was really a quite boring villain for me, but while people don’t like Scarlett, you only really care about the lore the first time you do something…but being able to kill a character you don’t like over and over again? Sounds more fun than killing that jellyfish.

Because having explosion and acting like a Joker ripoff is consider a genius antagonist in this day and age. I wouldn’t consider Kudu being boring seeing that he balance all his plan, his screentime, and his action while not taking it from either the PC or Zojja and following within the lore. I care about the lore more than enough to rather have the Inquest involved with the reactor than having that weed in it instead. Having a weed run away a gazillion time in the world event and in the story isn’t too appealing at all.

draxynnic.3719:

From what I’ve seen, msot of the Trahearne hate is Kormir syndrome (players being jealous of an NPC playing a role they felt entitled to, when there are good reasons why the NPC has that role instead of the PC – in this case, because the player being actually in charge of the Pact would be a strategy game) and people jumping on the bandwagon.

They only care about godhood and that is about it. Comparing Kormir to Trahearne does not justice at all since Kormir is a completely different character and the only source of Kormir being this green was that stupid joke video that people thought it was canon.

Regina Buenaobra.6193:

Greetings!

Julie Nathanson is the voice actor for Tassi.

Here’s a reply on behalf of one of our writers about the Halloween content.

John Ryan, Writer

Hi. That would be me. My name is John Ryan, and I wrote the narrative VO and text for Blood and Madness. Glad you enjoyed it.

Thanks.

I also did write the Dead Stop shield inscription. Well, you could say transcribed it from a certain regent cackling over my shoulder.

Ah, thanks for information!

I was wondering who is the voice actor for Tassi and who is responsible for writing this Halloween Event? The VA on Tassi is nice and the story doesn’t feel as dry as the “Scarlet” saga.

I would like to know who wrote this one here. It does not give that cringly feeling like it did with the “Scarlet” story.

The idea is to use the maze as a source of “Shut the Doors” Achievement for the Living Story Halloween Edition and some of the boss achievement within the Maze.

I prefer to see Anet reintroduce all the emotes that was not added since GW 1.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Emote

Everything about the Mad King Says in GW 2 was all upgraded and well done compared to the GW 1 version. All except for two things thing: death and Rock/Paper/Scissor. It would be neat to see the Mad King kill (not downed) the players if they got the emote wrong. Not only this would emphasis his power, but its freaken hilarious. Of course, the Mad King will revive all the players that was dead/defeated if they didn’t do what the Mad King says.

There was also a nice touch in the GW 1 version where the Mad King pick out a player, play Rock/Paper/Scissor, and either congrats the player in winning or just kill the player outright if he lost the Rock/Paper/Scissor match. I doubt this part would make a return in GW 2 but it was a nice part of the GW 1 version.

masha.2561:

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WoodenPotato is more of a theorist than an actual loreist, considering most of this video is basically analyzing or assuming something that involve with the current event. That being said, I would rather have the Inquest and Kudus himself presented in this fractal than having Scarlet involve. It would make more sense, bring more information about the Kudus and his exploit, and Kudus is a much better villain than Scarlet would ever be. Hell, if you did the Weather Changing Personal story for the Asura branches, he even act like a personal nemesis.

Shiren.9532:

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Blah, so Scarlet kept running away after we total her army and hideout a gazillion time, all the while, removing a path for each dungeon just to give Scarlet her own. That does not sound like progress at all.

DaShi.1368:

There aren’t enough things for people to complain about, so they need to start manufacturing things?

Consider it preemptive strike. The last thing I want to see is Scarlet in the Fractal, a place where I generally IGNORE the living story.

hedix.1986:

I’ve seen a lot of Scarlet complaints map chat in-game as well. People don’t usually discuss lore and story in map chat, but Scarlet-related Anet writer dissing / GW1 nostalgia is an exception. And the only players who seem to get excited about her nowdays (on my server at least) are champ farmers.

I do not think they actually care about Scarlet at all. They are in that event for the money. I would bet if they change the event to something like, I dunno, a Elder Dragon event, they would not even notice a thing.

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And from here, we will talk about the Living Story itself. Apparently, Scarlet causes nearly everything in the story and she is to blame. So when you think about it, all of these events all lead up to the introduction of Scarlet. Her childish behavior when she first appears in the Pavilion felt so underwhelming. It felt more underwhelming when she spoken out that she would get the queen, which cause the Shining Blade to prepare such an attack, and watch her announce her bombing and taunting everyone, giving everyone time to destroyed the said bombs. Granted, she manage to bomb the citizens where Logan was guarding but still, its just felt so underwhelming to hear her say “Die die die die die” or other childish comment during that event. Its not just that. Its seem that Anet is willing to shove Scarlet in any content they could do. The game shove our faces that Scarlet exist when an invasion occurs. The Twilight Arbor? Lets remove a content that is relevant to the Sylvari lore and add in Scarlet’s base, which has zero to do with the Sylvari lore. Hell, I could not accept the idea that the Nightmare Court are okay with Scarlet building a hideout in the HEART of the Nightmare Court’s base. I cannot imagine what in store in the future. They might shove Scarlet in the Thaumanova Reactor Fractal and ANet/Angel Mccoy say she did that. Hell, they might even ruin the Wintersday Event and make Scarlet the “Grinch” of that event. At this point, they might as well call it Scarlet Story instead of the “Living” Story. It just seems that Anet think that its more important to follow a poorly written story about a mary sue sylvari than to write about the true threat that Anet advertise for years, the Elder Dragons, and Anet is willing to let Scarlet run away numerous of times just to keep it that way.

And finally her character herself. Combining all of these words combined, I cannot help NOT to think of her as a mary/villain sue. I get it that ANet/ Angel McCoy tries to copy the Joker but not only they fail in that, they tarnish Joker’s good name in it! We all know that the Joker has that random action to it, but at the very least he was made as an antithesis to Batman. Batman is the source of the infinite amount of jokes that the Joker can play off with and it would seem that the Joker will NOT kill the Batman for this very reason. Without Batman, Joker cease to exist and this was shown a handful of times in the comics. Not only that, the Joker was caught (whether it was planned or not) numerous of time by Batman and sent to Arkham Asylum. What do we have here with Scarlet? Just some mad bomber that tries to act like the Joker but falls flat on her face. Her rambling is nothing to joke about and she fail numerous time to kill the players if Anet/Angel Mccoy want us to think we are Batman. If she is close to dying in an invasion, Scarlet just runs away every freaken time. And her voice? I find it shocking that players would rather keep Scarlet because she was voice by Tara Strong. I hate the idea that Anet is willing to pay so much money (FROM OUR OWN POCKETS) on a VA like Tara Strong just to voice Scarlet. That to me is just shameful.

I do not think there is anything else to add, if I forgotten any.. I do not like Scarlet and her death (if that even occur) is too good for her. I would rather that they retcon her out of the game itself.

There is so many thing that wrong with Scarlet that her very existence itself is extreme toxic to the overall game. There is so many things about her that I did not know how to begin.

Lets see, for starter, her background story is extremely blasphemy. I cannot firmly believe that a Norn and two extremely racist races would let a Sylvari under their wing and teach her their trade of metal and machinery like that. I could not even accept that Scarlet would easily be accepted to all three Asuran Colleges and base on the ingame dialogue, excelled and graduated in record times. Not even the PC’s Asura or Zojja could do this. To add insult to the Asura race as a whole, only Scarlet, and not all other Asura, seen the Eternal Alchemy. The Asura believe and follow Eternal Alchemy but a red-headed weed seen it and embrace. With all this achievement, Scarlet have officially made the Sylvari as the smartest race and not the Asura. To go back to the Norn and the Charr, I find it quite annoying she would insult them after she learn from them.

From here, we kick start about her army. How the hell would Scarlet maintain an army that big in the first place? I cannot see Scarlet as a competent leader nor a type of person to have such an army when she act so childish. Speaking of armies, all three of them conflicted their existence as Scarlet Army. The Flame Legion? How can a group of charrs that is extremely racist to other races would allow Scarlet into their rank? Last time I check, the Flame Legion force their female charrs into the kitchen and kill and enslave any other races within their grasp. How it is a the Flame Legion is taking orders from a FEMALE SYLVARI? From here, we go to the Dredges. Apparently, they hate the idea of being enslave because their race have spend CENTURIES under slavery but is willing to follow Scarlet, who view her Aetherblades as abusive slaves. The Dredges freed themselves from such torment (and if it take place after the Sorrow Furnace Explorable, from their OWN leader) only to follow Scarlet and have themselves abuse again. How does this make sense, and why are they willing to work for her if she was an extreme example of their former masters? Oh and speaking of slave, where the hell the Aetherblades comes from and why the hell would they put themselves to work for such a sadistic boss like Scarlet? I know the Aetherblades recruit new members when the Aetherblades hideout was reveal at Lion Archs, but I cannot fathom the idea WHY would they stay with her if it meant death to them if they remain loyal to her. I heard too many times that they rather die than to get Scarlet mad.

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bromi.7809:

Is it me or people didn’t read her short story at all?

The “Short Story” came out as a fanfic and is one of the driving point that made Scarlet a mary sue.

Serbaayuu.3051:

Like Vizier Khilbron wasn’t, right?

I would say “go play GW 1” but I take it that you said that out of spite because someone does not like it when they insulted their favorite villain without any backing to it up.

Of course. Its a path that bind the other two “what if” scenario. Without it, it felt like anet screw Fyonna out of the spotlight.

Cescoxonta.8592:

I really did not undestand why they removed a path Is there any technical reason?

Apparently, TA Forward Up is the least-runned dungeon in the game, according to Anet. This is because Anet never freaken bother to fix the bug where Fyonna-Tree spawn a gazillion spiders and these spiders made it impossible for normal players to complete this exp path.

Exosferatu.2961:

Arena Net wants us to hate Scarlet Briar the point we would torture her when we captured her. Now you see the development and the build up of tension, we are starting to really hate her just like how villains should be. This is actually interesting, people felt nothing when they were hunting down Zhaitan, now people really want to beat the kitten out of Scarlet. Once we have defeated Scarlet we would feel satisfied getting rid of her.

There is a different between hating a villain and hating a villain that is extremely toxic to the game lore, treating her like the BEST THING EVAR while remove current content of the game, and shoving her in every game content there is in this game. I would not be 100% satisfied when Scarlet dies because her history and her action is still in the game.

zeromius.1604:

You don’t actually encounter Scarlet in the dungeon. All you see are holograms of her which all happen to be pre-recorded. I don’t see the problem.

Scarlet’s boss encounter in the FUN House was forgettable. Her hologram make her more childish than she was before, and there the part where where she EASILY capture Caithe and brag about it like a child.

I hated Mai when she acted like a Scooby Doo villain (really anet? Really?) but at least she does not have a horrible background like Scarlet and I find her boss encounter much more entertaining than Scarlet. The dungeon is great but Scarlet herself is the poison that kept me from enjoying it.

kokiman.2364:

The way they explained the removal of f/u sounds like scarlet is going to be in the game for a while.

And they add her in the invasion world event. More and more, I would bet Anet and Angel will shove Scarlet Sparkle into anything ingame, like WvW or even Fractal.

The new dungeon does not really help my standing on Scarlet at all. She was extremely childish here and she rank up her villain sue buy not only capturing Caithe easily, but insulting her and bragging about this for the next ten minutes.

BobbyStein.2315:

Thanks, as always, for the feedback.

It would be nice if you also look into threads like these rather than looking at one you think you would like:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/twilight/OMG-not-Scarlet-again

And if there is a suggestion that I might add to this Scarlet character, its to do away with her by killing her or retcon her out as soon as possible. I do not like her, I find her childish in the dungeon, and you doom her by making her a villain sue when you add this horrific background to the short story and ingame:
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/short-story-what-scarlet-saw/

The dungeon is fine with a guild party. There might be some part of that dungeon that test the patience of any players and see if they would rage quit or not, but its manageable.

The story of that dungeon can go die in the fire, however.