Guild Wars 2

Big Tower.5423:

Well, staff is actually the best dps and healing in tha game.

No it isn’t.

The best damage for elementalists in the game would be a S/D burst build or a D/D build. Staff has terrible damage due to it all being ground targeted, takes time for its damage to go off and easily avoidable for almost all of it (Ice Spike, Lava Font, Eruption, Meteor Shower). Lets not forget how you might be able to sidestep its auto attacks if your good enough.

The staff is an area denial, cc, support weapon. That’s what it excels at. If you want to go staff, go tank/damage with the gear and spec for support in the Water/Arcana line. Use Cavaliers/Soldier/Berserker mix and you can do decent damage and be able to take a hit and with the spec you can give your group good aoe heals and cleanses and lots of good boons.

You want to do damage? Go S/D or D/D. Staff is not the place for it.

Brutal Arts.6307:

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

I disagree with the OP. Some achievements which take TONS of time and commitment are equally worth as daylies which I get in a few minutes.

Bad design.

Solution: Buff those achievements.

+1

The WvW achievements should be worth MUCH more than they are currently. Getting 250k kills is no joke. Completing any one of those WvW achievements is no where NEAR difficult, they’re insane. They need to buff them or make them easier. I vote for buffing as it makes those achievements something to really strive for and incredibly difficult.

I sometimes encounter this issue on my GTX 580 where the game causes the card to throttle. Mostly I just restart the computer and make sure that MSI Afterburner is on and the fan spinning.

A reboot normally clears the issue for me. I play in windowed mode sometimes so if I’m tabbed out and tab back in the game throttles the card and needs a reboot. Are you playing in windowed mode?

Kouryuu.4213:

I love the ele changes myself, I mainly play spvp with it and the fresh air buff sent my playstyle through the roof!

I think the weakness of the class is aimed at pve, maybe wvw (for large scale stuff, small scale is probably fine).

I think the core of the issue is simply how required arcana is, and partly the low hp requiring you to pick up health somewhere which is usually water traits (which gives you healing).

I used to try less than 30 arcana builds but I recently gave up, its simply too huge a kitten to have less than 30. Fire has weak traits but moreso weak stats, compared to air which has crit chance and crit damage in the same tree along with amazing damage traits, why would you spec anything else for damage?

Other way around. Elementalist is very good in large engagements, decent in small mans, and is mediocre in solo/duo roaming.

Staff for large zerging is awesome. People always want more elementalists for the large stuff for the static fields and the aoe.

Small mans prefer elementalists to go D/D for the aura share (shocking aura) and the aoe heals and cleanses that the standard 0/10/0/30/30 build has. You can also use the new fresh air builds with S/D, but it doesn’t offer as much group utility as the D/D does. It does however offer lots of damage.

In solo/duo roaming the class is decent on D/D and S/D. We are out classed by the higher mobility classes like thieves and warriors (yes warriors) as they can zip in and out and escape much better than you, but do decent enough in flipping camps/killing dolyaks/sentries and scouting for the server so long as you have the FGS on you to get away when needed. A dead scout tells no tales.

For those asking about the 1vx capabilities, it’s there. It becomes skill moreso than the class, but the thief is is the better roamer (it’s why you see so many) but you are still 3rd or 4th best roamer. You don’t do the damage, but you have a mix of survivability and damage to do what you need to do. The mobility could be better (and should) which would fix the roaming problems the elementalist has in small mans/roaming but it is still decent.

abomally.2694:

Your problem is right here:

CPU – Intel I2500k @ 4.7GHz

Turn your overclock way down (or off for testing) and I’ll bet the crashes stop.

You may also need to loosen your memory timings. I highly doubt that your RAM is completely stable running at 7-8-7-24. Those are pretty tight timings for DDR3.

The RAM shown below specifies 9-9-9-24 timings:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-Desktop+Memory-_-N82E16820231428&gclid=CMj2soi7nLgCFUJlMgodAkcAeA

That’s not the RAM I’m using. The specification for the RAM I’ve got is 7-8-7-24.

http://www.gskill.com/en/product/f3-12800cl7d-8gbxh-

And that overclock is very stable. I’ve been at around 5GHz for the last year or so and since this crashing began a few months ago I lowered it to 4.7GHz. I’ve run multiple tests for instability and haven’t found any. I’ll lower it more I guess to a 4.5GHz but I don’t see why only this game should have an issue with the overclock when every other game I have doesn’t.

I’ve tried turning it off for testing and letting it run, but the crash still happened. It’s also so infrequent for it to happen that it is relatively rare.

Just to make sure that we’re clear, it’s not that my computer is crashing, it’s only GW2. The program itself is what is crashing to desktop with a little window asking if I want to send an error report. The computer itself runs fine afterwards. I can just re-load the game and continue playing.

It’s just frustrating especially on reset nights or prime time since I get locked out of the BL I was in. Not to mention the frustration of a game crashing.

I hope so because I’m normally running like 50FPS in LA, 70-80FPS in WvW (doesnt matter where) and during large engagements I drop to 30-40FPS.

It seems like a memory leakage of some sort. I mean even the error file is talking about out of memory and allocation of a large number of bytes that seems to be misplaced.

oxide.8324:

Thurin.5610:

Pretty bad sportmanship to NOT jump straight off the tower, but then again can not expect to much from blobmercgate.

SoR complaining about bad sportsmanship? hahahahahaarhaha

Sigh… This is why we can’t have nice things. Can’t we all just snuggle and get along? You do know the LOVE asuras will win right? They always do.

Reset was fun, until my game crashed! Thanks for the good fights to that GOF group of 4 thieves and mesmer who kept trying to take Lowlands on BG map. Fun fights, lots of damage from your squishy GC thieves!

Caedmon.6798:

This only happens in large engagements.

If it only happens to wvwvw in large engagements, its most likely your wvwvw quality/players settings..Turn them to low or lowest,that should fix it.

Let me start off saying that the system listed should not encounter a problem with that. It’s a very good system. And it’s happened in PvE once or twice too in the large PvE events where there are tons of players all attacking something.

Secondly, I’ve tried that. It happens anyway. The error message seems to me like a memory leakage from the game trying to allocate more memory than there is.

Substractive.4923:

yes try to run game repair , right click on shortcut , properties and add -repair like so :
“…\Guild Wars 2\Gw2.exe” -repair

then save (apply – ok) and try to run it , it should begin to detect your problems

Did that thanks! Didn’t know how to run that repair. It did’t seem to find anything (or at least nothing was reported as needing to be fixed).

How do I know if that fixed it?

Tarkus.4109:

If she was offended by it, I’ll apologise as whenever someone posts something from SoR regarding the guild I tend to get a knee-jerk reflex as SoR is known for its trolls. The issue was that posting two images then a little bit of hearsay is little to work with, and I do agree its poor form to not leave the tower. We dont approve of that behaviour, and if you see ssomething that is suss, carry it to forum pms as “name and shame” tends to lead to bad blood.

Trolls will be trolls. I do get the knee jerk reaction when protecting your guild and having past experiences with trolls. I’m sure she meant nothing by it other than to bring it to your attention that someone was in a tower when they shouldn’t have been and went to the lords room instead of jumping out like I know normally MERC does.

Substractive.4923:

try to run repair and also see if all of your devices are up to date

All the devices are up to date. I do this once a month. This has been happening for the last few months, I just never bothered to post as it seems to be an occasional occurrence.

And by repair I assume you are talking about the game?

Tarkus.4109:

snownow.9352:

Can any MERC leader find this member who used bug jump up tower gate and hit lord room?

This pic by my guild member, he said this guy jump in front of him.
Can’t believe he used it when tower had defense people.

pic shot today, the time of pic is server time.

thank you for your help

The NW tower is extremely buggy and often as not if you utilize a firey greatswors fourth ability you can accidentally pass through the door. This happens to every guild from MERC to IRON. It was not intentional, and it isn’t the first time this has happened, but it isn’t a hack or an exploit. Please knock off the accusations unless you actually have evidence that it was a hack. You’re just making your guild look bad by throwing out such claims.

She wasn’t accusing you. And I’m sure that if that’s what you got from it, it’s more than likely that she just miss-typed what she wanted to say (you know, due to english not being her native language).

This isn’t the first time this has happened as last matchup I had a Merc Charr warrior get through that gate and promptly jumped off the side. He didn’t go to the Lords room.

Raif.9507:

To the MERC charr warrior who got in behind the gate of Sunnyhill by accident,

You sir, are a credit to your guild. Jumping off the side of the keep and leaving as fast as you could.

Thank you sir.

Here you see the elementalist went to the Lords room, and doesn’t have a FGS in her hand. She was just curious as to what happened. Snow would have messaged you if she wanted to accuse you, not do it publicly. She has to be one of the sweetest women in game. Hell she even says “I can’t believe he used it”.

Yep.

CPU – Intel I2500k @ 4.7GHz
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Motherboard – Asus P8P67 Pro
RAM – G.skill Ripjaws X 1600MHz (7-8-7-24)
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This happened again and I got this message in the details:

• Crash <—*
  Out of Memory: arena=Default, cat=Gr Img, allocBytes=4194752, arenaBytes=297576856, fallbackBytes=88572116, align=0 ,
  App: Gw2.exe
  Pid: 3304
  Cmdline:
  BaseAddr: 00400000
  ProgramId: 101
  Build: 20440
  When: 2013-07-06T02:08:25Z 2013-07-06T05:08:25+03:00
  Uptime: 0 days 11:48:42
  Flags: 0

What does this mean?

So I have had this issue for a while, it happens every so often. I play in T1 of North America and when there are certain clashes of zergs GW2 crashes. This isn’t a connection error to the best of my knowledge, but I do frequently crash and get the “Do you wish to send Arenanet a log” and then it exits the game.

This only happens in large engagements. How can I fix this or find out what is going on?

SFShinigami.2015:

Masamoon.3864:

1:47 am PST…meanwhile in Bay.

aw isn’t she cute

I am loving those pants! What are they? Very good look you got there!

Gmtsai.6349:

In my opinion, WvW is easy mode, sPVP is hard mode. Those elites in WvW came over to sPVP and has been rip off, they go back to easy mode again.

If that’s what helps you sleep at night, the I’m happy you are deluded!

DXIEdge.2789:

Ok yes, my comments were towards PVP.

Use Fiery GS in WvW. Lol. shrug (i have no idea)

I dont see how its needed in PVE isnt staff more common there anyway? :/

My mistake used to PVP forum XD

FGS is on a 3 minute cooldown. Not good enough there for a melee class.

And you saying staff is more common in PVE shows how much you do it :p

All the weapons are used in PVE (that is if the player is competent), a lot is changed depending on the encounter. For dungeons though a lot of people use a conjure build centered around the Lightning Hammer. It would be a quality of life buff for exploring and moving around maps.

Wow.. some of the people in this thread… so wrong. The OP has it right on. People spend a lot of time and gold to get their characters to play the way they like, and have a hard time translating it over to sPvP.

It has nothing to do with “being afraid of getting stomped”. And I’m sure that there are many WvW’ers who would stomp your face in a 1v1. Some of the WvW’ers play WvW over sPvP not because they like running with zergs, but because they can tailor their characters builds to play how they like.

And while I hate sounding like a broken record, not all WvW is zerging. Get over it.

Aether McLoud.1975:

As if build or skill matters in zerg vs zerg…

Hmm I don’t zerg v zerg in T1 (gasp… suprise!) I run around with my havoc squad (13 of us) or roam with a few (read – 5 or less) and have a blast. In those numbers, skill and build matters greatly.

Not all of WvW is ZvZ.

Lightning, I do know you are a good player, but Zoose does know what he’s talking about in the sPvP scene. That build is gold in the sPvP scene where the Vigor/Evasive Arcana are still very effective

. Might not work so well in the WvW scene, but I do run something similar (0/30/0/30/10) and it works very kitten well as the cleanses are really needed for WvW where in sPvP the Ether Renewal might suffice depending on the composition you are facing.

He is one of the top sPvP players for a reason, he’s good at the class. That build is for sPvP and we can both agree that what might work for one game mode doesn’t necessarily work for another.

BlackBeard.2873:

Raif.9507:

1200 range doesn’t reset it either. LF+ RTL would if the opponent was a block of wood and didn’t move forward to get to you or swapped to a range weapon to keep hitting you while rinning forward.

I do agree. I was referring to “reset” in the pvp world, where 1200 range is a large portion of the map. In WvW, that is just a pretty good movement ability. My reasoning for 900 range on 15s cooldown is:

-900 range is a good gap-closer for a melee-locked class without being so far as to even sneeze as thief mobility (which Anet must protect!!)
-15s gives air on d/d an ability that can actually do single-target damage relatively frequently on the “single-target damage” attunement. Sure the auto-attack is strong, but that is the best melee aoe-cleave ability in the game (again, on the “single-target damage” attunement)
-15s also fits much more “fluidly” into the flow of the class

Ah yes, in the sPvP world I would agree. For WvW/PvE I would keep it at 20s 1200 range. The thief if it really wants to roam can put 10 points into their bottom tree to get steal to be 1500 range and that is PLENTY to keep up with basically anything.

BlackBeard.2873:

DXIEdge.2789:

Anyone who says that RTL cool down increase wasn’t needed is kittened.

Think about this for a second. Ele’s had a 15/20 second unconditional escape. This could also be used to contest far point on a regular basis.

No one used Clerics builds for damage. When D/D Ele was akittens prime in NA, between signet healing for 260 with Valk, Sigil of Superior Battle, Air 3 being bugged and etc, Ele’s were almost unkillable while putting out insane DPS. This was a problem. Now it’s not.

Now, Ele’s are rewarded for strong play. The irony is I got better as Ele’s got worse. Lol.

RTL nerf was needed. Signet nerf was needed. Cleansing Water trait? Ehh….maybe. Most form nerf as much as it sucks and probably wasn’t needed, it’s ok I guess. We live on.

Ele’s are balanced now. Give us maybe a couple more builds and we’re fine (make arcana not as needed or fire better)

Just to clarify, I think all of your statements are entirely geared toward pvp, while a great deal of the QQ’ing over RTL comes from PvE and WvW’ers. I can understand how a 1550 leap on 20s cooldown could be OP in a “stand in this circle” game mode. However, in WvW, the RTL nerf SERIOUSLY hurt eles capability as a decent roamer. I still maintain the best solution was a 900 range RTL on 15s cooldown (with maybe a damage reduction). This allows WvW’ers to actually remain mobile and even use RTL offensively, while reducing RTL as a “get out of jail free” card in pvp. 900 Range doesn’t reset a fight, otherwise we would hear “Lightning flash is OP”

1200 range doesn’t reset it either. LF+ RTL would if the opponent was a block of wood and didn’t move forward to get to you or swapped to a range weapon to keep hitting you while running forward.

DiogoSilva.7089:

RTL was a problem, it certainly was. A bunker build who could leap out of battle every 15s/ 20s was near immortal.

People cry about RTL’s nerf, but the skill is fine as it is. I know some have a hard time accepting this, but RTL is still a good skill in every format of the game. It does not need buffing (reverting) at all. The skills that the devs should focus on buffing, are the weak/ underpowered ones, like several in the focus line, or shatterstone, or several utilities, etc.

Right because in PvE the RTL nerf was SOOOOO needed… ZERG THAT ORI NODE I MUST GET TO IT BEFORE THAT WARRIOR!!!!!

-_-

And it wasn’t needed in WvW either. A highly mobile bunker is indeed problematic. However the way to do it was not to nerf RTL. The class as a whole suffered due to it, not just the bunker. The bunker can sit there and take the punishment, the DPS cannot. The way to do it would have been to reduce the heals, not the mobility. The combination of both a bunker and mobile was the issue. Mobility is needed for the class as a whole, not just for the bunker to work.

I think the increase in base heals and lowering the scaling of healing power would have been MORE than enough to make things work for the DPS and lowering the amount of heals the dodge roll and the attunement swap along would have brought down the bunker which was the issue. Right now the DPS burst builds suffer from the lack of mobility and therefore are forced to spec into Arcana and Water trait lines. If there was mobility we wouldn’t be forced to up base survivability.

The original issue that the devs had (and what they meant to target) was the bunker build but instead they nuked the class. They targeted the wrong thing because it was easier to do than try to balance the healing and aoe cleanses. They hit ALL the builds instead of the one that was giving the problem. No other class is punished as much as the elementalist is when they miss an attack. RTL/Fire Grab/Churning Earth are all high risk high reward abilities. Long cooldowns for “large” damage or a movement ability. I do not think that RTL should be included in that group as it hurts the DPS class who now have to commit for 40 seconds if they miss RTL which is one of the most telegraphed and visible and audible gap closers in the game. ANy decent player will dodge it to force that elementalist to commit for 40 seconds. In WvW that could very well be a death sentence. In WvW such a long time without a gap increaser or closer is killer for a melee class as both lightning flash and RTL are on the same length of a cooldown.

This RTL nerf ONLY works in sPvP due to it being such a small map. I think the cooldown should be 15/30 to make it not so harsh, but still give counter play to force the elementalist into battle. But 40 seconds is WAY too harsh and no other class has to deal with it. And before you say that we are suited for such a punishment, a DPS elementalist is NOT suited for a 40 second battle. The bunker however is.

This is un-needed in WvW where the thief is still, and always was, the superior roamer.

I meant staff elementalists in a tournament scene would be the first to go. Not elementalists in general.

As I said, whatever floats your boat and if you can make it work, awesome. Though I will say there is a reason no one runs staff in a high level tournament scene.

The 0/30/0/10/30 or my own build 0/30/0/30/10 for the S/D really needs a person to be aware of his/her surroundings and dodge VERY well and know the animations of other classes to avoid them. The lack of stability when giving up Armor of Earth is very hard to get used to just like the high attunement recharge rates. Also the low amount of vigor unless you are using the Phoenix well, is also a problem.

Your best bet is to just keep at it until you learn to dodge well. I run that build when my guild runs havoc (we’re about 5-10) people. It’s been tough getting used to not having stability, but the second you get into the flow and learn the animations and get situational awareness it becomes easier.

The standard 0/10/0/30/30 build is still great in WvW.

Aether McLoud.1975:

How about them devs actually fits the countless bugs on this list first?

You ask too much sir. They need this list to remind them of the bugs they won’t ever fix.

Urukami.4796:

Raif.9507:

Decent gameplay. However hot join is not the place to show the “viability” of staff. In a tournament I’m not sure how well this would fare.

Hey Raif I wouldn’t mind doing a game play in tournament, my advice in terms of staff tournament play is being wary of what is going, this build specifically is to maintain a focus on constant healing and focusing upon your own survivability to maintain to extra heals for your teams.

I wouldn’t say that spvp is not the place to show the ‘viability’ of staff, as tournament builds were also created through testing it in spvp. I think it’s the way players handle their own build which suits their play style.

There is hot join and there is tournament play. Both are sPvP. What works in one doesn’t necessarily work in the other.

A staff support build doesn’t really work in tournament play where there is much higher level of focus from teams due to higher coordination. A staff ele would be the first to go in every engagement. Nor because you are a threat, but because killing you would be easy in the tournament meta. You do not have the damage pressure that a S/D or the defenses of a D/D and the ground targeted AOE nature of the staff makes its damage output meh at best in the high movement that is in tournament play rendering the damage you “could” deal with unreliable. The support you give is nice yes, but in a 5v5 every person needs to be bringing some form of damage or control along with group support that is reliable. It is why the S/D or D/D builds are so good. They bring solid damage that can be reliably landed as well as heals that can cleanse in AOE.

Don’t mind me though, if you can make it work in the tournament scene, more power to you.

awesomeness. pure awesome.

Blaine Tog.8304:

Raif.9507:

The problem with stacking 5 eles was the aoe heals and condi clearing, NOT RTL. They nerfed the wrong thing.

RTL was nerfed because it was allowing Eles to effortlessly travel from point to point too quickly in sPvP.

Other classes still do this. Ranger, Warrior, Thief. The problem was that the elementalist could keep the far point contested indefinitely due to being a full on tank and have mobility. Add on the fact that multiple eles could AOE heal/cleanse forever means that that ele could go near his teammates, heal up and cleanse then go back to contest the point again.

THe answer is not to nerf the mobility which was the same as other classes, but nerf the healing/cleanses. That was the problem. The nerf to mobility means that the bunker ele cant run away anymore to his team to get cleansed and healed without giving up that fight for a long time. THis also means that a burst ele can’t either. Other classes (same ones mentioned above) can do this specced for tank or burst depending on weapons.

Benji.9203:

Raif.9507:

The problem with stacking 5 eles was the aoe heals and condi clearing, NOT RTL. They nerfed the wrong thing.

The old RTL allowed super mobile bunkers to exist. You could argue that a BM bunker ranger has even higher mobilty than the pre nerf ele but they brought nowhere near the same amount of team utility/support.

The answer is not to make the clkitten mobile as the class as a whole (DPS/Tank/Support/Hybrid) suffers. The answer is to lessen how the stacking of such classes works.

Decent gameplay. However hot join is not the place to show the “viability” of staff. In a tournament I’m not sure how well this would fare.

Wolfaen.9461:

kartana.3769:

Wait! This is a d/d topic but he just talks about s/d and staff post patch. And the build he posted is 0/0/20/20/30 but he talks about 0/30/10/0/30. And are those s/d and staff builds for PvE solo or dungeons? Did I miss something?

I think we are all a bit confused on his post as well.. I’m thinking if dapheonix gave up on D/D then it’s all over :[

He didn’t give up (I don’t think) but the new traits favor S/D and the builds that you can make with it are a lot of fun and pack a punch. I think it’s more experimentation. The old build is still working and is awesome, the slight damage nerf hurts but it accomplishes what is needed and is still fun.

Benji.9203:

Aether McLoud.1975:

And IIRC they didn’t even question the severe RTL nerfs. So put someone else on there who actually asks difficult questions to the devs. We don’t need people simply agreeing with everything JonSharp says on the show.

They themselves (along with most people) knew the ele needed to be toned down. At first it seemed harsh but now it seems the change was for the better. There was a reason people would stack 5 ele teams.

And there was a thief on the April SOTG who actually questioned the devs decision in nerfing RTL because of how it may effect DPS builds and the overall health of the ele.

The problem with stacking 5 eles was the aoe heals and condi clearing, NOT RTL. They nerfed the wrong thing.

Kryyg.8576:

The reason I ask about leadership is because I think it’s obvious that SoR is on a different level than both BG and JQ. And I’m curious to whether it’s by “design” or just blind dumb luck.

Forget the fact that somehow you guys have managed to exclusively recruit WvW only guilds while the other 2 servers have picked up PvX majority. But it seems your server’s organization, communication, and overall “philosophy” or “message” or whatever you wanna call it is more server wide through all the guilds and not fractured like it is elsewhere. I guess being more blunt, how did you get all the guilds and players to “buy in” to the server mentality and who sets those goals, etc.

I’m sure there’s no silver bullet out there, but I think if you guys are willing to share what you guys do as a server more openly it would allow the other servers to either copy or take what applies to them and then also grow which leads to a healthy and competitive tier in the long run.

There isn’t something we give or say to people. It’s more the atmosphere. We are helpful to anyone in WvW. If you come into the TS more often that not people are discussing builds and tactics and explaining things to newbies to help them out with stuff. In LA people are talking about WvW and jokes and stuff that happen in TS
and it peaks peoples interest and they ask how they can get into it. When people ask for guilds in LA or map chat they get pointed in the direction of WvW guilds more often than not, and in general I think it makes it very easy to get into the mindset.

When you sign into the TS you’ll hear people joking and not really worrying about the PPT almost ever. I rarely hear people complaining about the PPT or whatnot and if anyone does complain about “omg it’s a 2v1” people are answer “meh, whatever”. It’s the atmosphere and people either go with it or leave.

This is not to say that other servers are not like this, but I don’t think there is anything special about it. I do know that the TS is spammed in every map and people are asked to come in, don’t have to talk, but it can only help. I’m sure your own community isn’t far off from this either, if it isn’t doing the exact same thing. Most of the guilds don’t run in private TS’s save a few, and even if they do, they have a representative in the SoR TS talking to people. We organize (or did at some point) movie nights where everyone in TS would watch the exact same movie at the same time. And when it comes to the server meetings, everyone is invited and can talk if they want. There is no “council” or leadership. Everyone can say something.

Malcastus.6240:

Benjamin.7893:

Be careful what you wish for getting an ele in sotg as most would tell you the class is more then fine.

But an ele would be able to comment on matters that are lacking, troublesome etc. and bring questions to the table from the ele community.

A high ranking player could likely say it is fine, yes. Which would be selfish, because there are matters that concern people, such as conjures, signets, elites, traits and etc.. If the ele in question doesn’t have their finger on the pulse, they aren’t contributing with anything special.

There are also concerns outside of sPvP and how the changes in sPvP have affected other game modes that is discussed sometimes in the SOTG that they can bring up. Such as the RTL nerf and how it might have fit for the small map gametype that is conquest, but not PvE or WvW. Or how there is a conjure build that works in PvE, how can that be made to work in sPvP or WvW and so on.

The class is not “fine” and anyone who says so is wrong. The class has 2 builds that allow it to be viable in sPvP (a S/D burst build and D/D tank build) but the class is not “fine”. It still has bugs, still has lots of traits and talents that are lackluster/not viable, still has issues in other gametypes that should be discussed as this is a balance discussion that affects the whole game. The talks that happen here affect all 3 gametypes even though the players brought here are only really sPvP’ers and have sometimes little to no knowledge of how WvW or PvE are affected by their discourse and an elementalist would be able to. If you don’t main the class, you can’t truly give feedback, only imagine or think, how changes or suggestions would affect it.

Anthius.1649:

Aether McLoud.1975:

They REALLY need to get an ele player on there. AFAIK there never was a single ele player on the SOTGs.

Zoose was on one.

He never showed up to it. There was a black backround with a smiley face if I remember correctly.

Raven.9603:

I didn’t say we were the most mobile class.

You are sitting here crying about how you cant get away from anyone, but the truth is RTL+Flash can get away from a lot of people, and FGS can get away from the few that it doesnt. If you create a little space before you cast it, its a lot less trouble. But if you cant be bothered CC’ing your enemies, waiting for immobolize to end before you RTL, or unslotting an elemental thats pretty terrible in wvw for an escape skill, and dont even try to get good swiftness uptime, you really deserve to constantly get caught and killed. People like that aren’t just bad, they’re too stubborn to improve. And thats cool, enjoy the respawn walk.

They didn’t say they were going to nerf fgs, they said they were keeping an eye on ele mobility and they liked that FGS was a good trade off (long cooldown for good mobiltiy, takes an elite slot). The forum took two unrelated comments, made a conspiracy and repeated it until it was “fact.”

I don’t know about your tier of play, but in my tier, I get chased across the entire map. People do not give up. Ever. I cannot count the number of times I have been chased from bay to hills and up north. I can’t because it happens all the time because people know that they will catch you after using the RTL +LF combo. They will. They have 40 seconds to catch up using their gap closers. The only time they will give up is if I blow my elite. Then they go away.

A single RTL + LF is not enough to get away from them even if I chill them as after that combo, I have no other ways except swiftness to move about since the cooldowns are so long and the cooldowns of my chasers are much MUCH shorter. I HAVE to blow my elite to get away and pray that I get out of combat so I can hover with the waypoint window on in case it looks like I can’t.

Also this is dependent on you using D/D and not S/D which is becoming more popular. I know that on my S/D build it is much MUCH harder to run away due to the lack of chill from the main hand dagger 3 to chill those pesky melee and the lack of shocking aura.

And let’s not get started about trying to catch certain professions. A roaming spec (keyword here is spec) warrior is something you will not catch. A thief is highly dependent on what cooldowns they blew and how much time/initiative they’ve used and passed but more often than not, forget it. A ranger, depends. I’ve run into Greatsword/Sword rangers roaming in WvW, but they aren’t the norm. And with rocket boots an engineer could theoretically outrun you now, but I don’t see too many engineers running that either since it does’t exactly fit into a lot of the popular builds.

Calae.1738:

They don’t talk much about the Elementalist because there’s nothing to talk about. Look at the Elementalist forums? Do you see any in-depth discussions about builds and hard choices the players are making?

The Elementalist forums are one of the most dead class forums in GW2. The class is good with 1 or 2 specs. There’s nothing to talk bout.

That’s a problem. If there is nothing to talk about because there is one spec for group PVE (lightning hammer) one spec for burst (Fresh Air S/D) and one build for tanking (D/D basic build) and the one staff build then that is an issue that needs to be discussed.

There are underlying issues like the mobility nerfs and the low damage the class does in comparison outside the mists and the multitude of other issues have been discussed to death that need to be brought up and can be spoken about for dev input on this kind of show. This is exactly where these things can be talked about if there was a knowledgeable elementalist on that show.

Revert RTL. Done. That is all I want and all I think this class needs to do well.

Malcastus.6240:

Aether McLoud.1975:

Malcastus.6240:

It would be nice to see an elementalist in the next discussion as well.

THIS. AFAIK There never was a single elementalist player in the SOTGs. We really need a representive to talk there.

I think Zoose was present once, but I would like to see someone else, for instance the guy from supcutie’s team or any other high ranking team for that matter. Nothing against Zoose, but I think views from different people is favorable and contributes with different perspectives.

Zoose was supposed to be in one once, but never showed if I remember correctly.

I still don’t get why it’s ok for an engineer to get an RTL like ability (better and on the same 20s cooldown) to get out of trouble, but an elementalist can’t. This just doesn’t make sense to me.

Kaimick.5109:

Jahn.7019:

We accept your apology and don’t blame you either for always being wrong.

Personally I would rather hear form Ascii or Lettol ( again sorry for the wrong spelling ) As of right now you have provided nothing to prove me wrong or better yet lets hear from the KISS guild leader ;-)

Why would you say you want to hear from 2 people who are regular members in a guild and not “leaders” and then ask for a guild leaders answer? He has answered you. Take his answer or not.

Ascii.9726:

Kryyg.8576:

Just out of curiosity what does SoR have? I know BG has a “war council” and JQ has a “wvw conclave”.

What does SoR’s leadership consist of/what’s it called/who’s part of it??

Ours is the four zergsmen of the apocalypse; Choo, TW, Fear & TSYM

@ Kryyg – The community as a whole makes desicions. On reset night anyone who wants and has been verified as a SoR member can be present at the meeting and say what they want to say. Normally it is just the commanders from a bunch of guilds talking about strategy. There is no “organized” leadership or someone specific who runs stuff. Indo mostly starts it, but then it kinda goes around the table. If Indo isn’t around someone else will lead it. It is not all indo, the community as a whole, mostly led by members who want to take a leading role. Not necessarily just guild leaders.

And Ascii, no. Just no. That is quite a bit insulting to other guilds (like my own) who do lead quite a bit. And before you say “who the kitten are you”, I will point you to my co-guild leader, Nyx Syke. She does a crap ton for our server as do a number of other guilds, guild leaders and just regular members. I don’t even care if it was a joke. It’s not even close to funny, it is insulting.

And as for SoR taking KISS, even if we didn’t want them (not saying that we don’t) there is literally nothing to be done if this is where they want to go. It is done. It is over with. Get over it. Play on and eat some ice cream.

CuddleStrike.8215:

Raif.9507:

Weee! I got invited to LOVE! I can feel the love flowing through!

And to commemorate this occasion Score Update! Cuddles style!:

Welcome!!!!!!!!! I pm’d you ingame… but maybe you aint there atm
I was wondering who the newest recruit was :P

Oh I was AFK at the loading screen!

On my ele I use all cavalier and a berserker amulet. I’m comfortable with 16.5k health so I’m good that way.

You do not have to use a celestial anything if you do not want to.

Weee! I got invited to LOVE! I can feel the love flowing through!

And to commemorate this occasion Score Update! Cuddles style!:

These threads are always funny. Yet the only posts that make me smile are cuddlestrikes. Maybe I should just join the love train, since they seem to be having the most fun.

To all those out there today roaming – was fun facing you all.

The SoR S/D burst elementalist you love to hate.

Stealth.9324:

It was me, Kaane Moka, one of the bunker. If you happened to watch our replay, we lost our first match because no one was fully dedicated Water tree. But since we changed it for the second match, we stood a chance against them and as the result, we won.

Lol Stealth I was on your team!

First round we all went S/D burst builds with me being the only one with 30 points in water, the other 2 had 10 points in water, and we had Cmc Cmc go full Air/Fire for fun.

It was once we switched me and Kaane to a full 0/0/20/20/30 with clerics amulet that we stood a chance for more cleansing /heals and stability.

And as to the original topic name, I don’t think that Anet “hates” elementalists. More that they have no idea what to do with the class. There is an inherent problem when the class can do everything well and can lead to a class being OP if not balanced properly. If we were to go by the original plan that Anet had that each class can do everything so long as they spec for it, then this should not be an issue. But with the direction that they are taking that they want each class to have a “specialty” it leaves the Elementalist nothing to specialize in due to the nature of its weapons. It does have access to everything depending on its sets (not talking range, talking about what the abilities can do) and leaves it with nowhere to really go as far as a specialty except that it can do it all.

This means that it will be hard for them to balance, because they have to decide does this mean they want the class to be mid tier, second place or last in the specific area. This also sadly means that the class will be mediocre in everything and never really shine.

This dev team needs someone who understands the class and what it should do, or at least a vision for the class as right now its floundering due to them trying to make other classes better at the elementalists expense.

Godofallu.2935:

Yeah I watched the tournament but keep in mind how bad the people on most of the teams were. I saw at least 3 people in the few matches I watched get downed to the Forest NPC’s.

All that really means is they had the better players/coach or the profession is well rounded enough to have a bunker + roam + teamfight builds.

Oh man your talking about me aren’t you? I knew the second I got knocked down by Svanir on that stream that no one would forget it :p

It took me by surprise the knockdown, didn’t think I was close enough lol. We had a good team, the engineer team was just better and more coordinated. They had Koroshi do some seriously clutch moves in that match up that just ended up in their win and they deserved it.

They had some people do some back capping and just knew exactly what they needed to do to keep us off point, something that engineers are just the king of. Even with me and another elementalist giving out AOE stability every time we switched to Earth was n’t enough with all the knock backs. Plus those games were close (at least the Elementalist vs Engineer rounds were). I thought that both teams did very well and even with me being the least experienced player in sPVP (I do WvW roaming much much more) by far I think we did well enough.

Chopps.5047:

Stealth.9324:

Well, guess a full team of 5 Eles can win against a full team of 5 Necros. If you are Bunker Build, you can still 1v1 Necro, but if it 2 Necro, instead of lasting for a while, you melt instantly. That is my lesson from last SOAC tournament match when our team Eles vs Necro team.

Player on the ranger soac team here. I was wondering if you thought maybe fighting the wellomancers off point would have helped? Because they do this thing where they explode their enemies in four seconds on point.

I was one of the elementalists who was in that tournament, and would say that it might have helped, but we would have given up the point to them and they have the range superiority over us (well any one of us who was running D/D).

Necro’s hurt like a kitten now, and the more there are the more it hurts. More than 1 and unless you are fully specced to remove conditions you wont last more than a few seconds under that condi pressure even if you are off point. Even specced right I had a hard time with those condis and we only won because the WHOLE team specced points into water to get the AOE cleanse and me and another went full bunker with clerics to help with the healing.

Out of combat:
Warrior (Greatsword/ Sword + Warhorn)
Thief
Ranger
Guardian =Engineer
Elementalist (Dual Dagger) = Mesmer
Necro

In Combat:
Thief
Mesmer
Ranger
Elementalist = Guardian = Engineer
Necro