Guild Wars 2

The rewards are… not only underwhelming, but for the health of WvW moving forward I feel that the current reward is inexcusable. Rewards in for events in GW2 (and any game) serve a few key functions:

1. Motivate players to partake in an event.
2. Provide adequate time/reward compensation to players who participate.
3. Grant players a feeling of accomplishment.

The current WvW Season One rewards do none of the above as the same reward for a 7 week undertaking is equal to about 30-40 minutes farming Frostgorge Sound. The implications may be greater than you previously anticipated. The full impact of the lackluster Season One reward should not be underestimated. Many servers in Bronze/Silver league worked diligently to recruit and motivate players who had never participated in the WvW game mode. Given the insignificant current reward getting people to try (and continue to play WvW) will only become harder. If no action is taken, when WvW Season 2 rolls around fewer players will be motivated to participate because the reward is not worth the investment of their time. Furthermore, as I’m sure you can see, the vast majority of the Season One participants feel that the reward was inadequate compared to their time investment. Finally, I think that it is safe to say that the current rewards provide absolutely no sense of accomplishment for anyone.

So, here is my clear and concise recommendation:

Amend the WvW Season One reward chest by providing the following-

1. Provide a unique, worthwhile reward for every player on every server who earned the reward key. Here are some suggestions:
a. An ascended quality back piece with a unique skin that is only awarded at the end of a season. (Think Karka Shell or Fractal Capacitor)
b. Utilize the release of the upcoming ascended armor release and reward players with a single set of ascended armor.
c. A single unique weapon skin (allow each player select one weapon from a set) that is only awarded in the WvW Season chests.

2. Remove the 250 count from the Gold/Silver/Bronze Dolyak finishers and make them permanent until the beginning of Season 2.

Many are suggesting that we as a community simply accept the current reward and move on. However I would encourage you to consider the long term implications of inadequate rewards on the GW2 playerbase between now and the end of Season 2. ArenaNet has these forums so that the players have a clear channel of communication to the developers. Luckily, ArenaNet does listen and is taking strides at showing that with the Collaborative Discussion as well as removing the Flamekissed Light Armor Skin being removed/reworked. Make your voice heard.

Garrisyl.7402:

The thing is, Anet originally planned to have worthwhile rewards for the servers finishing in the top spots. However, several (justified) forum threads about the injustice in such a system, with most scores already set before the match-ups even started, made them see the flaw in that. So instead of giving top servers good, and the bottom servers bad rewards, they gave the bottom servers bad, and the top servers slightly less bad rewards.

I understand your point. I feel that the dolyak finisher is going to be meh and after a week or so most people would rather have the gemstore ones. However I feel that EVERY player who earned the key on EVERY server should be given a reward that makes them feel rewarded for their time. Currently nobody feels like the reward is adequate when compared to the time investment.

Solstice.1097:

Do you want even more non-WvW players in WvW chasing rewards?

Do you play WvW for the rewards or for the game mode itself?

Yes, I feel that the motivating people to participate in WvW is a great thing. While people begin WvW as PvE players eventually they learn how to better participate in WvW in a constructive way.

I play for both the fights as well as the sense of accomplishment in battle. Currently the reward is too insignificant. Despite winning Season One I am feeling like my time investment is inadequately rewarded compared to many other aspects of the game.

The rewards are inadequate. Most of the WvW players would complete them passively (save the jumping puzzles). However motivating PvE players to participate in WvW Season Two will certainly be much harder if nothing is done to amend the rewards.

capmasterflash.5690:

Mooncow.6847:

Gyuforce.8291:

It’s sad to see my old guild turn out like this, maybe they will get a decent commander to run them.

well your current guild is garbage, why would your old be any different?

SHOTS FIRED!

Crunk n monkey.3749:

This was probably the biggest disappointment match during the final week of the WvW season. I honestly thought there would be a close match between DH and SF. I honestly picked SF to win this but with it being so close, I thought DH stood an equal chance to win.

I clearly overestimated SF, DH deserves 2nd place in the Bronze League.

/agree

After losing to SF week one I think that its clear DH really stepped up their game. DH is probably the most improved server in bronze league. Congratulations to DH on taking second place in the league.

Syryn.7591:

Dear FC and HoD zerg in HoD borderlands right outside of Redbriar Tower, THANK YOU for the show that was awesome to watch xD

Youre very welcome. Occasionally we defend other servers towers so that we can take it.

MU salutes you.

@Gornok – This thread is going downhill fast. To help illustrate my point, I present you with a fantastic video about visualizing gravity…

melodey.4652:

If anyone still takes King Amadeus seriously they should probably remedy that ASAP. :P

I think you have the right idea…

Banzie.5248:

apapercut.4312:

Is anybody else surprised by the DH/SF matchup this week? Some points

1) SF beat DH in their first match http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/45/115

2) HoD beat DH in their first match by about 65k http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/28/119

3) HoD beat SF in their first match by only about 50k (and subjectively it really was our toughest fight) http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/28/121

I was expecting SF to beat DH. But as of right now DH has a healthy lead. What’s going on? Is DH just hungrier?

Night Capping. Nuff Said.

Nope. DH beat SF at prime time… for the full version go to the DH/SF/ET matchup thread.

Jeknar.6184:

The problem here is that even after beating SF and doing your chest thumping, HoD (or more specifically MU and VLK) keep comming stalking SF to keep talking crap about them… Maybe if you left SF alone, you wouldn’t “have enough” of the people that YOU are calling out.

There is a difference between chest thumping and defending your guild against statements that are not only false but also derogatory like this, “Good job, MU you are still PPT gazing bads with 2-4 thieves that like to duel.” – King A. Particularly when the statement comes from someone who refuses to backup his words with actions.

Secondly, HoD isn’t stalking SF. We have been following this matchup with interest because it is the matchup that determines second place in our league. This was a matchup everyone in bronze league NA was following. I wont begin to speak for everyone, but it is frustrating for me to see DH work hard and improve as a server between Week 1 and Week 7 only to then see some SF players say that DH is only beating SF because of the following excuses that have already been addressed: “Its black friday”, “It is the holiday break”, “SF doesn’t care about PPT”, “Winning doesn’t matter”, “We had to play HoD”, and the list goes on.

In regards to the current DH/SF matchup perhaps nobody said it better than Manoa:

Manoa.5897:

The SF in Dec 2012 is not the same server that you’re seeing now. Just as the HoD in Dec 2012 is not the same server we’re seeing now. And just as the ET in 2012 is not the same server we’re seeing now. And DH, and FC, etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum.

At the end of the day, SF when we faced you I saw a lot of improvement. You all gave us some really fun fights, and I hope to face you again soon. I gained a lot of respect for most of your server over the coarse of our two week matchup, particularly those who came out week 2 despite losing week 1. However, you have to respect DH for really working hard and preparing for this matchup. DH lost to you all Week 1 with a significant point deficit. Week 7 DH came out swinging and showed that they had earned second place in Bronze league. Throwing out excuses as to why your server is currently losing rather than identifying weaknesses and working to improve them is probably why DH is beating SF this week.

Dreadforce.6980:

That said fighting HoD or DH during prime time was fun and if SF could get some overnight/morning guilds I think a great match would be SF/HoD/DH.

ArenaNet has yet to say what the matchups will be this Friday at the conclusion of WvW Season 1. Personally, I hope that they take the servers and place them exactly in the way they placed that season (1-9) within the league for the first week. Which would mean a HoD/DH/SF matchup exactly like you want. After that matchup the ladder could resume. I think the matchup would be a lot of fun and the perfect way to see Season 1 off for everyone.

skullmount.1758:

What the heck is that gif? Is that apes throwing a living animal at a wall?

Its a clip from a documentary. A wild raccoon had repeatedly pestered monkeys in an exhibit at a zoo stealing their food etc. The monkey at this point has had enough and tossed the raccoon and then immediately walks off disregarding the raccoon. A sentiment that closely reflects how I feel towards that user. I can PM the source if you like. I was thinking of using this clip of a french bulldog that was all bark and no bite instead, but my buddies in VLK already did:

The problem with this guy is that he does this every week… He (and his group of 4) contribute nothing of consequence to his server. Then he comes to the forums and talks crap about guilds that rolled his face because his group of 5-8 killed a straggler from a good guild group that was destroying his server. Here is a picture and quote from Jrunyon.3012 of [OHai] on Devonas Rest from the HoD/SF/DR matchup:

Jrunyon.3012:

Never before have I seen a group of people so mad. 5v1 such brave. very skill.

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/120494/Screenshot186667.jpg

Stay classy SF

Notice the player that is highlighted at the top is none other than DZ. rollseyes

King Amadaeus.8619:

Righteous.4307:

Odies.8017:

King Amadaeus.8619:

To HoD, a few months back we made you quit WvW for a week, you have came back with good coverage on a “High” population server (at times). Good job, MU you are still PPT gazing bads with 2-4 thieves that like to duel.

You know how I can tell you are full of it? ^

Gornok, I think he forgot that we shutout every GvG we had when we were up against SF. However, I do distinctly remember him never being in a single one because he doesn’t have 14 friends. It must be easy to confuse when you’re not a part of any of them.

Beating CoSA and StAR in their first GvGs (star might have had a couple before, idk), is not really anything to brag about, but even if it was I wouldn’t care as I do not run in 15-25 man groups very much anymore.

I may not have 14 friends lol, but I killed more than 14 MU “supportlings” desperately trying to get back to your zerg.

We don’t run more than 5, think the most we have had was 8, so sorry we won’t: might stack, veil, boonrip, cc, hammertrain with you guys….

The problem is that when you say something like this:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Good job, MU you are still PPT gazing bads with 2-4 thieves that like to duel.

and have absolutely nothing to back it up. Nobody from HoD noticed your “contributions” to SF when HoD faced you. Go back and read the matchups forum thread. Did anybody even address you outside of your forum posts? Doubt it. Congratulations for killing the stragglers 1 vs. 5-8 (according to you). The only groups that were noticed doing anything for SF was CoSA and Star. Apparently, they are still the groups contributing to their server as they are the ones DH is saying they notice. Furthermore, I have respect for them because they show up and get things done. Even if we 3-0’ed both. You on the other hand are all bark and no bite. I would make an exception and fight you 8v8 because you cant field 15, but from now on unless you are asking to fight us so that you can backup all of your barking with a little bite I will be disregarding all posts.

Odies.8017:

King Amadaeus.8619:

To HoD, a few months back we made you quit WvW for a week, you have came back with good coverage on a “High” population server (at times). Good job, MU you are still PPT gazing bads with 2-4 thieves that like to duel.

You know how I can tell you are full of it? ^

Gornok, I think he forgot that we shutout every GvG we had when we were up against SF. However, I do distinctly remember him never being in a single one because he doesn’t have 14 friends. It must be easy to confuse when you’re not a part of any of them.

Banzie.5248:

ptitminou.6489:

Banzie.5248:

Tongku.5326:

Banzie.5248:

NSP and IoJ shall rejoin you all soon <3

Thank god. I’m beginning to really hate this whole league thing and hope you guys come back.

We’ll sort out this silly DH and HoD business. If we can’t take out their fair weather snowball they’ll have to fight CD. And that’ll just completely destroy morale for them. Would rather have a fun close match up than that

HoD had a lot of upper-tier and coverage xfers thanks to the 800gem price tag (1000 now) they had pre-season. They might even compete with CD, though they are still a ways from breaking the top 10. I would bet on HoD before CD.

What guilds?

Shhhh don’t ruin it for him. Just to clue you in… That didn’t happen. He just imagined that it happened, but lets not ruin it for him.

Dreadforce.6980:

I play on SF and many who came from pve only came for achievements and when they were done they never came back. Also SF biggest enemy is itself after the first week against HOD the number of WvW players dropped. SF gets more players when its easy match-ups but when it gets hard people leave its the same in pve.

Which is in sharp contrast to….

Adaxia.5406:

There is no use whining about coverage, we did that for quite some time on DH. After awhile you have to step up, recruit more PvE players, and fix the problem. Between now and the start of the season, we recruited many new PvE players to WvW, we trained new commanders, and we stepped our game up. SF is getting beat even during primetime when numbers are even, so you can say that coverage is why you are losing all you want but it isn’t true. You are losing because we stepped up and improved, and you didn’t.

Honestly, I am preaching to the choir here because the people who care enough to check the forums are the ones who are probably out there night after night battling it out in WvW. However I think that recruiting PvE’ers into WvW and then maintaining that relationship with the PvE playerbase through the ups and downs is the difference between DH and SF Week 1 vs Week 7.

Odies.8017:

Adaxia.5406:

There is no use whining about coverage, we did that for quite some time on DH. After awhile you have to step up, recruit more PvE players, and fix the problem. Between now and the start of the season, we recruited many new PvE players to WvW, we trained new commanders, and we stepped our game up. SF is getting beat even during primetime when numbers are even, so you can say that coverage is why you are losing all you want but it isn’t true. You are losing because we stepped up and improved, and you didn’t.

Finally someone gets it!

That gif fits the emotion so perfectly…

Arius.7031:

Righteous.4307:

As far as I am aware (DH and SF feel free to correct me) there have been no significant influx of players/guilds to DH between week 1 and week 7. If Sorrows Furnace (as a server) wanted second place all that they would have to do is repeat their victory in week 1. So either DH is just plain outplaing SF or SF players (as a whole) don’t want #2 as much as DH players (as a whole). In either case DH was either able to motivate their playerbase better than SF or DH is able to outplay SF.

For us there has been no significant influx from outside. The difference is in coordination/overall strategy, that is, we now have some of both, we did not in our previous matchup. That, and we were quite motivated. We were shouting LA days before “bring your A game this reset, this is for 2nd”. We were all ready, the server held meetings to discuss strategies, and I think the results are showing.

That said, we have one area we need improvement on, combat capabilities. We’re much better since we last faced HoD, but we’re not even near that level yet. STAR zergs still run over our zergs pretty easily.

I had a feeling that that was the case. Good for you and good for DH for motivating your masses and creating a positive working relationship between the leadership of guilds in DH. The score shows your progress. Don’t let SF convince you otherwise.

The truth is I have friends on both SF and DH. Regardless of who wins this matchup some of my friends will be excited and some will be disappointed. I prefer to root for the underdog and because 90% of the predictions that I saw pointed to SF winning DH ended up with my vote. However, the week is still young, and that Silver Dolyak Finisher is still up for grabs for either SF or DH.

Adaxia.5406:

There is no use whining about coverage, we did that for quite some time on DH. After awhile you have to step up, recruit more PvE players, and fix the problem. Between now and the start of the season, we recruited many new PvE players to WvW, we trained new commanders, and we stepped our game up. SF is getting beat even during primetime when numbers are even, so you can say that coverage is why you are losing all you want but it isn’t true. You are losing because we stepped up and improved, and you didn’t.

Shots Fired!

ptitminou.6489:

Go back 1 week and see if they can do that… The fact DH has their BL basically locked down now is making you say dumb stuff. You really need to learn how coverage affects PPT. It’s not like this takes a lot of time to figure out. The fact is ET is empty and their main guild is xfering off very soon because of that, thus, it will be even emptier soon.

Want to know how to take a 100% upgraded BL from a server? Take notes from FC. Their rush last night took our fully upgraded towers, bay, hills, and garrison. It took an epic 52 golems, but they did it… because they are determined to do so. Here is the link:

I have discussed this with you as much as I care to. I hope that both DH and SF have some amazing fights between now and Friday. DH if you want that #2 spot keep doing what youre doing. SF if you want to take back silver the week is far from over. Slightly more than 1/2 of the total points (not counting those earned with ruins/finishers) will be earned between now and reset on Friday. Good luck and have fun.

King Amadaeus.8619:

SF had more people in week 1 farming the nonsensical achievements. Instead of treating the 7-week season like a marathon, they treated like the other 2-week LS garbage.

So around week 3 we started to see some dropoff, and by the time HoD rolled around the first time a lot of us noticed a much more “soft” showing for reset.

But hey it isn’t the end of the world, I was part of SF when there was nothing to play for (IE: no leagues) when we spawn camped HoD for 7 days straight and made them (by their own admission at the time) quit WvW in protest, awaiting the next week’s match.

I would like to say that HoD has came a long way, but really you just motivated your players to play again and I guess that in itself is a “win”.

Yep…. DH never had PvE players coming to WvW to farm achievements. Not once. Especially not near the beginning like every other server. SF is the only server that had fairweathers show up week 1. How foolish of me to forget.

/sarcasm

ptitminou.6489:

Notice also in Week 1 that ET actually showed up and we owe that week 1 win to them.

ET has surpassed SF’s PPT or held near it during multiple prime times. I don’t think its the case that ET is just not showing up. ET… are you guys showing up?

ptitminou.6489:

Righteous.4307:

ptitminou.6489:

Righteous.4307:

DH just let the people complaining about _ or _ roll off your back. 90% of bronze league thought that SF vs HoD was the only deciding factor for SF. When HoD secured the 1st place after the two week SF matchup everyones predictions put SF squarely at #2. DH stepped up this week and took 2nd place from the heavily favored SF. Great job. People will always say things like “PPT is 4 losers!”, “Every fight we face is 100 DH to 6 SF”, or “We don’t care about the scoreboard”. SF you guys improved a ton when we faced you, but don’t diminish the victory for DH. They knew this was their toughest match up and clearly… they came to play. Oh… and SF… Its only Monday. If you want to win you still can.

We can’t win vs that kind of daytime coverage. We just cannot compete with that no matter how much we’d like to. Unlike HoD, we don’t have a filipino guild carrying us during the day. The 1800 xfer cost just plays against us as well, but the fact is there just is 0 interest in our server. Some others at least have interest where they can get the WvW guilds together and help out with paying 1/2 the xfer costs, we don’t even have that opportunity. Maybe the Spanish are that scary, I don’t know, but it’s just not happening.

SF is pretty much a dead server, even in PvE. Basically, if you don’t solo, you’re better off guesting. Anyways, HoD is about to pass NSP and IoJ in ratings, that pretty much shows that there were a lot of transfers there (And I understand why, I almost did too, that low cost was interesting given I had also hit the 5000 achieve chest reward) which also means you’re out of place to talk about bronze league since it is no longer your reality.

Anyhow, hope Anet fixes the issues and stops trying to sell a pseudo-solution, given that even T1 has the same problem: coverage issues. Perhaps since their sPvP venture was an utter failure, they’ll try to redeem themselves with WvW now. At least I am hoping since I do like the principles behind the game, but not the execution.

DH has had a higher PPT than SF at primetime everyday but one. Coverage might make a nice scapegoat, but the argument only holds up if you beat them during your prime time.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/45/

You really don’t understand what coverage does do you? Read threads other than match ups, its been explained time and time again and I’ve given up on doing it. Sad thing is the devs are just as oblivious to it as you are.

Also, on reset we couldn’t even queue 3 maps, which is kinda sad compared to our usual resets where all 4 are queued during the first 2 hours. We still went back and forth with them. It’s fine though, we went back over FC which was what we initially hoped we’d be able to do. We hate the zergballofdeath tactic just as much as anyone else so we really did not want it to top us. I partly stayed on SF because I wanted to help SF go back over FC actually, every bit helps. I am even rooting for GoM to take back its proper place in front of FC.

Going over DH would have been huge lulz for us, we dreamed about it, but then reality hit. I and a few others had been spamming for weeks in LA that we would end 3rd if people wouldn’t join us in WvW and l2p very fast. Nothing changed. If some people are surprised, fine, but a lot of us WvWers are not. At least, we may have gotten about 5 new WvWers. It’s pathetic, I know, our recruitment is a failure.

SF won week 1 against DH:

http://mos.millenium.org/na/wvw_seasons/index/115

As far as I am aware (DH and SF feel free to correct me) there have been no significant influx of players/guilds to DH between week 1 and week 7. If Sorrows Furnace (as a server) wanted second place all that they would have to do is repeat their victory in week 1. So either DH is just plain outplaing SF or SF players (as a whole) don’t want #2 as much as DH players (as a whole). In either case DH was either able to motivate their playerbase better than SF or DH is able to outplay SF.

Devon.9061:

ptitminou.6489:

Unlike HoD, we don’t have a filipino guild carrying us during the day.

What… filipino guild do we have….. Cause I am unaware of any on our server…. Unless they hide in the shadows and have their own TS along with multiple tags but are secretly united together though tongue. But seriously though.

HoD is now recruiting filipino guilds. So we can make this guys wish come true.

Devon, don’t bother… He really doesn’t know what he is talking about. As a shoutout to my VLK buddies: “Hodor!”

ptitminou.6489:

Righteous.4307:

DH just let the people complaining about _ or _ roll off your back. 90% of bronze league thought that SF vs HoD was the only deciding factor for SF. When HoD secured the 1st place after the two week SF matchup everyones predictions put SF squarely at #2. DH stepped up this week and took 2nd place from the heavily favored SF. Great job. People will always say things like “PPT is 4 losers!”, “Every fight we face is 100 DH to 6 SF”, or “We don’t care about the scoreboard”. SF you guys improved a ton when we faced you, but don’t diminish the victory for DH. They knew this was their toughest match up and clearly… they came to play. Oh… and SF… Its only Monday. If you want to win you still can.

We can’t win vs that kind of daytime coverage. We just cannot compete with that no matter how much we’d like to. Unlike HoD, we don’t have a filipino guild carrying us during the day. The 1800 xfer cost just plays against us as well, but the fact is there just is 0 interest in our server. Some others at least have interest where they can get the WvW guilds together and help out with paying 1/2 the xfer costs, we don’t even have that opportunity. Maybe the Spanish are that scary, I don’t know, but it’s just not happening.

SF is pretty much a dead server, even in PvE. Basically, if you don’t solo, you’re better off guesting. Anyways, HoD is about to pass NSP and IoJ in ratings, that pretty much shows that there were a lot of transfers there (And I understand why, I almost did too, that low cost was interesting given I had also hit the 5000 achieve chest reward) which also means you’re out of place to talk about bronze league since it is no longer your reality.

Anyhow, hope Anet fixes the issues and stops trying to sell a pseudo-solution, given that even T1 has the same problem: coverage issues. Perhaps since their sPvP venture was an utter failure, they’ll try to redeem themselves with WvW now. At least I am hoping since I do like the principles behind the game, but not the execution.

DH has had a higher PPT than SF at primetime everyday but one. Coverage might make a nice scapegoat, but the argument only holds up if you beat them during your prime time.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/45/

DH just let the people complaining about _ or _ roll off your back. 90% of bronze league thought that SF vs HoD was the only deciding factor for SF. When HoD secured the 1st place after the two week SF matchup everyones predictions put SF squarely at #2. DH stepped up this week and took 2nd place from the heavily favored SF. Great job. People will always say things like “PPT is 4 losers!”, “Every fight we face is 100 DH to 6 SF”, or “We don’t care about the scoreboard”. SF you guys improved a ton when we faced you, but don’t diminish the victory for DH. They knew this was their toughest match up and clearly… they came to play. Oh… and SF… Its only Monday. If you want to win you still can.

Teej.9241:

Good duels with the [MU] guild at the Obby Sanctum JP Arena. Bunch of good respectable guys. We sure got our butts kicked in the 5v5 but we learned a bunch from it too. Good fights!

We are having a blast too. Really enjoying the fights. Keep it up. Perhaps we can do a 15v15 this week.

Zen.1965:

There’s no great mystery at play or anything remotely like that.

NA prime time SF is STACKED. On reset night first week against HoD I think we had at LEAST 3/4 maps queued if not all at at least 1 point in the night. For the most part EBG, Home BL, and 1 additional BL, would be queued and for a period of time (30minsish IIRC). That’s relatively high tier participation. We have a decentish presence in late night/early morning, we’re relative ghost town til NA prime. This has been the case for about a year now at least.

There’s no “oh we didn’t have the numbers” when it came to HoD for SF. At all. Maybe the second week vs but certainly not the first. All the first week was was us being outplayed HARD. We fell short in the small man, we fell short in zerging, in guild groups, in defense, in everything. At least in bronze league the top 3 hasn’t been determined JUST through coverage, you can really appreciate the QUALITY of play between the three different servers. In that sense, mad props to HoD you played WELL.

Theres a lot of reasons why this server is above that server etc. In bronze league top 3 there’s a lot of complex considerations that need to be made, cant say the same for other leagues. SF has been shown where it needs to improve outside of sheer coverage and numbers and GOD I hope people realize that. I hope your fights with SF have provided you with the same opportunity.

I don’t think I could have said it better myself. I for one can say that over the two week matchup both servers improved as a whole. While SF’s numbers week two were smaller I think that the more determined SF’ers who decided to tough it out against HoD and continue to fight improved immensely. In regards to your current matchup its difficult to tell who will win. I think it will be a great fight and I hope that SF and DH can enjoy duking it out over the remainder of the week.

Draygo.9473:

Odies.8017:

Also looking for 15v15 GvGs, whisper me if you’re interested.

KN has no 15 man guilds. Just to save you time.

Draygo.9473:

The people on teamspeak and our veteran players avoided the damage (most of the time) and slowly chipped away players from your ball 1-2 at a time until your ball was weak enough to be fully wiped. Overall your group was fun to fight and very well organized. We had a few people comment that you guys looked like a school of fish.

You should make a new guild called Kainengs best made of the veteran players and the best Kaineng has to offer. Then have [KB] GvG us. Maybe this guy can start it for you:

ptitminou.6489:

If we could match HoD’s morning coverage we probably wouldn’t even be in Bronze league.

I disagree, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. Just don’t get ahead of yourself.

apapercut.4312:

While VLK might be rooting for DH, this MU is rooting for SF because COSA kept our first SF matchup so tight.!

Hmmm Seems like we might be able to make an MU bet Keen. I would like to see DH win pull this one out. We developed a good competitive rivalry with SF over our two week matchup, but I have to root for the underdog.

Wow DH with a 420 PPT… the underdog came out to play!

miriya.8496:

Shout out to MU — I don’t remember ever seeing your guild before, but you’ve been a terror.

Thanks for the fun fights tonight.

Henge of Denravi vs. Ferguson’s Crossing vs. Gate Of Madness

Live Score Update: http://mos.millenium.org/na
Live Map Update: http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/map/1177

Good luck to all. Have Fun. Glory awaits.

Sagittia.2769:

With the closing of this forums in a few hours the final recap is being written.
Without further wait, I present the Weekly Recap

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

I mostly blame VLK for letting this thread almost hit page 2. The quantity and quality of their yo mama jokes has been extremely underwhelming for this matchup.

You had ONE job…

With HoD suffering a great lost with Devon being out of the forum games for 3 weeks due to excessive “Yo mama” jokes. The HoD forum warriors struggled to match their dominance on the WvW scene. With the return of Devon tonight at midnight, will there be a revamped forum wars for next week?! Who knows?!

The biggest forum competition seemed to come from the one and only Narsil, who single handled wracked up: 40 posts! With five double posts! One triple. And the legendary quintuplet post! And there is still time to get more in. Though it does seem many people seem to skip over Narsil’s posts because of the spam. As seen by Silas Drake: “I honestly don’t read anything you post… so (I know I’m a jerk).” Even though the lack of reading going towards Narsil’s post this seems to be the biggest competition for Devon, seeing as Narsil has not figured out there is indeed an edit button for posts. Will Narsil’s forum spam match Devon’s Yo Mama jokes? Stay tuned for next weeks episode of: “The Clash of the Trolls: Episode 87”

Next we look upon [Deth] after calling out a number of guilds on reset night for their relentless T0 Blobbing (Yes, this is a GREATER number of people in T1 blobs). [Deth] has failed to show or respond in the GvGs they called for. Has [Deth] fallen from grace when they were once a dominate force in the GvGs in the lower tiers? Have they recruited to many PvErs? Questions that only they can answer.

[MU] is our next topic of discussion. With the 80 man [MU] zerging upscales and ambient creatures. Can anyone put a stop to them?! [CoSA] had the best approach of power rezing like a bunch of pros. There recent post of the video titled “Zombies” led to a debate in the thread about having skill compared to SPAM 1 HARDER FOOLZ, sorry about that I got carried away. [MU] has definitely made an impact on HoD’s WvW scene and will hopefully stay for the long run.

The lack of fireworks from the one and only Taco Thief is also up in the air. Has the sky rocketing prices of fireworks finally reached his purse? Or has the constant T0 zeros from HoD darkened out the sky covering them? Either way it is a sad disappointment that there was a lack of fireworks though out this match.

We shall now hit up the conspiracy theory rolling around the Bronze League, led by the one and only Styx of GoM. Though I have heard though the grape vine and weeds. That HoD has planed this fall or dive to Bronze League since the start of TA. Yes, you heard correct the famous Titan’s Alliance. The TA was hidden in the shadows to prepare for the Bronze League so HoD could sweep the competition. As HoD slowly unveils TA to the Bronze League will the infamous Buygate be able to compete as HoD pulls a Kaineng and moves up to T1 in a matter of days. Keep on following HoD to find out! Will Styx uncover the real secrets hidden since the start of the game? Or will he crash and burn as new forum warriors appear and push him aside like a solo upscale ranger in WvW.

The outburst of the week goes to: QuickLime! I know why. You know why. He knows why. Hell, Anet knows why. Though an apology was quickly written and put up. Regardless of being forced or if by own will. Let’s give him a round of applause for having the balls to admit he was wrong. Since we know 3/4ths of you wouldn’t. We hope he can deal with his real life problems and get back to the forum waring and upscale killing in a timely fashion.

We leave the best for last! The discussion of [Yarr]! They temporarily transferred to HoD to kill spawn farm SF and kill their fellow FC. Lets give them some love. A guild that HoD loves regardless of who they fight for. In recent news, [Yarr] called out [Deth] (the GvG dodgers) for a GvG. It is safe to assume we all know the outcome of that. [Deth] spent no time saving their dodges and double dodged out of there! [Yarr] will be missed on HoD and are wished the best of luck returning to FC.

This wraps up the conclusion of the
WEEKLY RECAP

UrbanMonarch.1028:

Dsybok.1405:

Crunk n monkey.3749:

Originally I had GoM picked to beat Fkittenil I realized a new patch was coming out on the 26th and suddenly had flashbacks to the GoM/DH/FC week. shudder

Nevertheless, I’d like to see a WvW with just GoM and FC, and see who would come out on top. My money bets on GoM to win that. Though it wouldn’t be easy.

It fluctuates greatly, pre season we beat the stuffing out of GOM, six months ago it would not have been a contest, GOM wiped us off the map. Seems like of all the servers I have faced, GOM is the most unpredictable as to what you are going to get in a given week. I don’t know why that is..

However, in its current state, it is from what I can see this week, a no tactic pug zerg server at the moment. Lot of people, not much strategy. We had a 30-40 man Gom Zerg throw itself against FC garri last night about six times. They only used rams, and they never completely stopped the flow of supply from the north camp or held that camp for anything longer than the RI period, which allowed us to continually replenish supply at the keep. At the end we had about 20 arrow carts raining death down on you, never got under 400 supply in the keep, yet you still tried the water gate again and again.

If that is representative of GOM strategy, I will take the FC side of that bet even with fewer numbers.

In other Servers there is usually a large guild such as MU…

Just to clarify… MU runs in small, organized groups of 15-25. Also, at this point I have to point out the obvious. GoM’s overall population is listed by ANet as “Very High” whereas both HoD and FC are listed as “High”. This should give you a distict advantage becaus it means that GoM has more actual numbers (not necessarily active WvW players). If I were on GoM I would think that it would be very valuable to focus on turning some of those PvE players into WvW players. HoD does have some guilds ([PHZE] and [FKB] just to name a couple) that focus on recruiting from Lions Arch and get players into WvW to begin with.

QuickLime.7253:

I’m sorry about the post I made recently. I’ve been going through some stressful real life crap and these forums are not helping my stress level. I’d like to apologies to MU for my posts. I chose you guys as the focus for my stress. I’m just gonna stay away from the forums because it is not helping me at all. I’m normally not this angry. I don’t want to go into anymore detail.

Again, sorry…

It’s ok. Apology accepted. Hope you take care of that RL stuff buddy!

QuickLime.7253:

Righteous.4307:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Odies.8017:

styx.7294:

Righteous.4307:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Righteous.4307:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Jereme.1840:

Look the infamous HoD zerg.. err wait that’s GoM…

<3 the emotes too, the best part was when they all ported and went back to Bay, we clearly outnumbered them.

You’re looking at pretty much the entirety of GoM’s WvW population compacted onto one map, and yet you STILL don’t have the outmanned buff.

Consider the following…
If you gather your servers entire WvW population into a single force, you may want to do something more useful than flip control points that do not directly earn points for the server and are capped as quickly with 1 person as they are with 5000 people.

Thanks for the tip. Here’s one for you: If you don’t hike up your skirt and bend yourself over a table to avoid a higher league, you might actually fight servers with large enough populations to give you fun and challenging matchups instead of going up against servers who keep themselves entertained by zerging empty bloodlust points and portal-bombing dolyaks.

Already discussed….

apapercut.4312:

I want to address the comments that HoD doesn’t belong in bronze.

The first point I want to make is that the very concept of “belonging” to a league is artificial. ANet divided the servers up into arbitrary groups of 6/9/9 based on rank. Somebody is going to be number one in each league but who that is doesn’t mean anything since if they had done 12/12, 9/9/6, 9/6/9, or 6/6/6/6 then things would be radically different.

The second point I want to make is that the bottom silver server is Northern Silver Peaks. The last time HoD faced NSP was in week 31 and HoD was roflstomped. In fact, for the most part every bronze server that went up against NSP has been roflstomped for some time. If HoD had somehow snuck past NSP into silver then the same complaints about a server not “belonging” in bronze would still be made, they would just be aimed at NSP.

My third point is that the during league week 5, Sorrows Furnace lost to HoD by only 50k points. If HoD doesn’t belong in bronze then neither does SF because we’re pretty closely matched. (In league week 6 SF got crushed by over 140k but that’s not representative of the strength of the two servers because SF decided to take it easy that week).

Finally, in non-league weeks 35 through 41 HoD was ranked 18 and that was after slowly clawing its way up from rank 21. In the week immediately prior to the season HoD went up in rank to 17. Given the way Glicko ranking works it’s unlikely HoD could have done anything to jump higher than that.

I know WvW has serious population and coverage imbalances. Outside of this league stuff every server that isn’t Blackgate or Vizunah experiences it. There’s nothing anybody can do about that. All you can do is have good fights and keep improving yourself, your guild, and your server.

Here’s a big “/salute” to every FC and GoM that comes out and does their best in this tough fight. I’ll see you on the field.

And in what way does anything you’ve said have anything whatsoever to do with the point that it is foolish to have 30ish people capping a single ruin?

No, you should just stop to think about your question and learn why it’s bad on your own.

This makes no sense what so ever?

Spelled out for you…

Grouping up and helping your servermates finish up their WvW achievements during a blowout matchup isn’t foolish. It’s a common courtesy. A good majority of that blob in the photo are not experienced WvW players and it’s very difficult for them to hit the goals on their own while the Silver League Dodgers are stampeding around every map.

People cant stand on a cap point w/o you holding their hand?

Here. [MU]
Our PvE player’s are not stupid.

I didn’t call them or you stupid. I like GoM. I really enjoy playing against GoM esp when we were against SF together. We took to calling you our Gommie Bears. I was just surprised to see 50 of you capping a single ruin. The logic escapes me… but hey… its your fight against FC for 4th. Not mine. Good luck.

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Odies.8017:

styx.7294:

Righteous.4307:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Righteous.4307:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Jereme.1840:

Look the infamous HoD zerg.. err wait that’s GoM…

<3 the emotes too, the best part was when they all ported and went back to Bay, we clearly outnumbered them.

You’re looking at pretty much the entirety of GoM’s WvW population compacted onto one map, and yet you STILL don’t have the outmanned buff.

Consider the following…
If you gather your servers entire WvW population into a single force, you may want to do something more useful than flip control points that do not directly earn points for the server and are capped as quickly with 1 person as they are with 5000 people.

Thanks for the tip. Here’s one for you: If you don’t hike up your skirt and bend yourself over a table to avoid a higher league, you might actually fight servers with large enough populations to give you fun and challenging matchups instead of going up against servers who keep themselves entertained by zerging empty bloodlust points and portal-bombing dolyaks.

Already discussed….

apapercut.4312:

I want to address the comments that HoD doesn’t belong in bronze.

The first point I want to make is that the very concept of “belonging” to a league is artificial. ANet divided the servers up into arbitrary groups of 6/9/9 based on rank. Somebody is going to be number one in each league but who that is doesn’t mean anything since if they had done 12/12, 9/9/6, 9/6/9, or 6/6/6/6 then things would be radically different.

The second point I want to make is that the bottom silver server is Northern Silver Peaks. The last time HoD faced NSP was in week 31 and HoD was roflstomped. In fact, for the most part every bronze server that went up against NSP has been roflstomped for some time. If HoD had somehow snuck past NSP into silver then the same complaints about a server not “belonging” in bronze would still be made, they would just be aimed at NSP.

My third point is that the during league week 5, Sorrows Furnace lost to HoD by only 50k points. If HoD doesn’t belong in bronze then neither does SF because we’re pretty closely matched. (In league week 6 SF got crushed by over 140k but that’s not representative of the strength of the two servers because SF decided to take it easy that week).

Finally, in non-league weeks 35 through 41 HoD was ranked 18 and that was after slowly clawing its way up from rank 21. In the week immediately prior to the season HoD went up in rank to 17. Given the way Glicko ranking works it’s unlikely HoD could have done anything to jump higher than that.

I know WvW has serious population and coverage imbalances. Outside of this league stuff every server that isn’t Blackgate or Vizunah experiences it. There’s nothing anybody can do about that. All you can do is have good fights and keep improving yourself, your guild, and your server.

Here’s a big “/salute” to every FC and GoM that comes out and does their best in this tough fight. I’ll see you on the field.

And in what way does anything you’ve said have anything whatsoever to do with the point that it is foolish to have 30ish people capping a single ruin?

No, you should just stop to think about your question and learn why it’s bad on your own.

This makes no sense what so ever?

Spelled out for you…

Grouping up and helping your servermates finish up their WvW achievements during a blowout matchup isn’t foolish. It’s a common courtesy. A good majority of that blob in the photo are not experienced WvW players and it’s very difficult for them to hit the goals on their own while the Silver League Dodgers are stampeding around every map.

People cant stand on a cap point w/o you holding their hand?

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Righteous.4307:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Jereme.1840:

Look the infamous HoD zerg.. err wait that’s GoM…

<3 the emotes too, the best part was when they all ported and went back to Bay, we clearly outnumbered them.

You’re looking at pretty much the entirety of GoM’s WvW population compacted onto one map, and yet you STILL don’t have the outmanned buff.

Consider the following…
If you gather your servers entire WvW population into a single force, you may want to do something more useful than flip control points that do not directly earn points for the server and are capped as quickly with 1 person as they are with 5000 people.

Thanks for the tip. Here’s one for you: If you don’t hike up your skirt and bend yourself over a table to avoid a higher league, you might actually fight servers with large enough populations to give you fun and challenging matchups instead of going up against servers who keep themselves entertained by zerging empty bloodlust points and portal-bombing dolyaks.

Already discussed….

apapercut.4312:

I want to address the comments that HoD doesn’t belong in bronze.

The first point I want to make is that the very concept of “belonging” to a league is artificial. ANet divided the servers up into arbitrary groups of 6/9/9 based on rank. Somebody is going to be number one in each league but who that is doesn’t mean anything since if they had done 12/12, 9/9/6, 9/6/9, or 6/6/6/6 then things would be radically different.

The second point I want to make is that the bottom silver server is Northern Silver Peaks. The last time HoD faced NSP was in week 31 and HoD was roflstomped. In fact, for the most part every bronze server that went up against NSP has been roflstomped for some time. If HoD had somehow snuck past NSP into silver then the same complaints about a server not “belonging” in bronze would still be made, they would just be aimed at NSP.

My third point is that the during league week 5, Sorrows Furnace lost to HoD by only 50k points. If HoD doesn’t belong in bronze then neither does SF because we’re pretty closely matched. (In league week 6 SF got crushed by over 140k but that’s not representative of the strength of the two servers because SF decided to take it easy that week).

Finally, in non-league weeks 35 through 41 HoD was ranked 18 and that was after slowly clawing its way up from rank 21. In the week immediately prior to the season HoD went up in rank to 17. Given the way Glicko ranking works it’s unlikely HoD could have done anything to jump higher than that.

I know WvW has serious population and coverage imbalances. Outside of this league stuff every server that isn’t Blackgate or Vizunah experiences it. There’s nothing anybody can do about that. All you can do is have good fights and keep improving yourself, your guild, and your server.

Here’s a big “/salute” to every FC and GoM that comes out and does their best in this tough fight. I’ll see you on the field.

And in what way does anything you’ve said have anything whatsoever to do with the point that it is foolish to have 30ish people capping a single ruin?

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

TC could get 3rd in gold league. So that means SBI isn’t as you said " there is only one possible server that could benefit from a week 7 match"

Also DH may take second place from SF.

Solstice.1097:

its silly we have to beat GoM both times we play them just to end up tied with them for 4th. GoM has 4 easy weeks while FC has 1.

then if DH beats SF then they are 1-1 to each other, yet DH gets 2nd place because they only played HoD once instead of twice like SF.

the schedule is soooo lame. looking forward this season being over.

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Jereme.1840:

Look the infamous HoD zerg.. err wait that’s GoM…

<3 the emotes too, the best part was when they all ported and went back to Bay, we clearly outnumbered them.

You’re looking at pretty much the entirety of GoM’s WvW population compacted onto one map, and yet you STILL don’t have the outmanned buff.

Consider the following…
If you gather your servers entire WvW population into a single force, you may want to do something more useful than flip control points that do not directly earn points for the server and are capped as quickly with 1 person as they are with 5000 people.

Crunk n monkey.3749:

Darek.1836:

Crunk n monkey.3749:

With a 20 point tick, i decided to take back some camps in our Bl, until i met a 20 man HoD zerg at Vale. Like a rabbit who comes across a pack of ravenous wolves, I swear I heard them yell out “Quick! Kill It!!!” As I looked behind me and saw their bright red eyes and foam coming out of their mouths…

you gotta wonder how many of the kills hod gets comes from something like this..
probably 99%

I thought maybe their vision was based on movement. If I stood still, they wouldn’t see me.

http://media.giphy.com/media/BDMRY0MBjGIxi/giphy.gif

Gyuforce.8291:

Hollywood.7450:

Brick Tamland.6507:

kitten Deth i know that i beat all you guys in 1v1’s but that doesnt mean you gotta spike.

Lost all respect for your guild.

People lost respect for [Deth] when you kept dodging GvGs.

http://media.giphy.com/media/vQ9JbgIWATcTS/giphy.gif

styx.7294:

Righteous.4307:

styx.7294:

Righteous.4307:

styx.7294:

Last time it was Wednesday morning when Ferguson’s Crossing over took us. Both were patch weeks too.

Righteous is just easily stirred up. =)

?

Your “Oh snap!” in response to an event that is totally happenin like it totally happened last time =)

I’m saying that its surprising to see GoM and FC so near each other in score. I wonder who will be able to keep their forces out of fractals in into keeps and towers. The "Oh snap was like…

http://media0.giphy.com/media/1UO7QMDBhWgdW/200.gif

Stop being surprised by things that are happening like they happened last time!

There is plenty of time left for GoM or FC to beat the other…

styx.7294:

Righteous.4307:

styx.7294:

Last time it was Wednesday morning when Ferguson’s Crossing over took us. Both were patch weeks too.

Righteous is just easily stirred up. =)

?

Your “Oh snap!” in response to an event that is totally happenin like it totally happened last time =)

I’m saying that its surprising to see GoM and FC so near each other in score. I wonder who will be able to keep their forces out of fractals in into keeps and towers. The "Oh snap was like…

http://media0.giphy.com/media/1UO7QMDBhWgdW/200.gif

styx.7294:

Last time it was Wednesday morning when Ferguson’s Crossing over took us. Both were patch weeks too.

Righteous is just easily stirred up. =)

?

alenaoreo.5206:

FC catching up! We’ll see who takes second…
http://25.media.tumblr.com/89f73abceef0f9283ab72d9aefe2f432/tumblr_mww2ql3gkJ1r04xt8o1_500.gif

Oh Snap!

capmasterflash.5690:

Easterbunny.6170:

Here let me shorten that one up for you:

HOD>>>>Bandwagoners>>>>Silver
Bandwagoners<<<<<Hod>>>>>Whaaaaa

Interesting, but what does it mean?!

My thoughts exactly….

http://media3.giphy.com/media/umwRSMxcXW31m/giphy.gif

apapercut.4312:

I want to address the comments that HoD doesn’t belong in bronze.

The first point I want to make is that the very concept of “belonging” to a league is artificial. ANet divided the servers up into arbitrary groups of 6/9/9 based on rank. Somebody is going to be number one in each league but who that is doesn’t mean anything since if they had done 12/12, 9/9/6, 9/6/9, or 6/6/6/6 then things would be radically different.

The second point I want to make is that the bottom silver server is Northern Silver Peaks. The last time HoD faced NSP was in week 31 and HoD was roflstomped. In fact, for the most part every bronze server that went up against NSP has been roflstomped for some time. If HoD had somehow snuck past NSP into silver then the same complaints about a server not “belonging” in bronze would still be made, they would just be aimed at NSP.

My third point is that the during league week 5, Sorrows Furnace lost to HoD by only 50k points. If HoD doesn’t belong in bronze then neither does SF because we’re pretty closely matched. (In league week 6 SF got crushed by over 140k but that’s not representative of the strength of the two servers because SF decided to take it easy that week).

Finally, in non-league weeks 35 through 41 HoD was ranked 18 and that was after slowly clawing its way up from rank 21. In the week immediately prior to the season HoD went up in rank to 17. Given the way Glicko ranking works it’s unlikely HoD could have done anything to jump higher than that.

I know WvW has serious population and coverage imbalances. Outside of this league stuff every server that isn’t Blackgate or Vizunah experiences it. There’s nothing anybody can do about that. All you can do is have good fights and keep improving yourself, your guild, and your server.

Here’s a big “/salute” to every FC and GoM that comes out and does their best in this tough fight. I’ll see you on the field.

Very well put Keen. I just want to add one point to that. It is common knowledge that NSP tends to be the ANet devs home server although they can transfer freely to other servers. NSP being at the bottom of silver league is actually a good thing. I am sure that the flaws with the current WvW system are reverberated most powerfully at the bottom of a league rather than the top. If NSP had been in bronze (and won easily) I am sure that many of the sentiments that were voiced would not be heard as well by the devs in their home server.

Syryn.7591:

Keep it classy guise lol

ex-ruse me?

Odies.8017:

Easterbunny.6170:

Righteous.4307:

Crunk n monkey.3749:

Hey HoD, doesn’t FC’s BL look at little too blue. I think they are sad that no one wants to play with them.

Well now that you mention it… It does look a little blue to me. Perhaps we had better paint it a lovely HoD green. In all seriousness last night [MU] ran in GoM pretty much all night. Take it as a complement because we flock to a good fight.

Sorry, but you guys just weren’t on the list at club North Camp during Primetime yesterday.

Late response but who cares ,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK-XmY_XsEI

Enjoy!

I don’t think he liked your video Gornok.