Guild Wars 2

SYPHA.9283:

LOL…you probably play on some kitten T3 server. If you would lern2read, we have tried to flip them. Also, as stated above, they rarely get flipped because the other side usually has a bigger zerg and they watch the Outposts at all times.

Obviously your powers of comprehension are probably as bad as your gameplay. I await your next completely useless comment. Or your insight of which you have NONE.

Speaking of powers of comprehension:

SYPHA.9283:

LOL…you probably play on some kitten T3 server.

Check the sig. And for that matter, learn to lie better – your server hasn’t been the same colour for months on end.

Edit: Jeknar beat me to the colour point by nine minutes. Guess your lack of comprehension/ability shows up to others as well.

Hamster.4861:

Dancing Face.4695:

Berk.8561:

It’s not useless. It let’s low-population servers know when an enemy zerg has arrived on the map and what kind of attacks to prepare for.

That’s why it should be removed.

because the biggest zerg on the map totally needs another advantage

They would say they do. “In real life the biggest armies win, so why shouldn’t that be the case here?”

Hark! Here they come now!

SYPHA.9283:

Rimmy.9217:

SYPHA.9283:

LOL..I’m not a Pver either scrub. I am a PvPer that just wants WC for the legendary.
And, c’mon lets be serious. It takes no skill to run in a blob all day long and proclaim youre a good player after zerging smaller groups. However, if u wanna move up to real PVP let me know and I’ll school you. Zerg scrub.

Actually, if you’ve gone through and done PvE map completion, that’s exactly what you are. And your logic about why you shouldn’t ‘have’ to do WvW map completion kind of wash out since you want it for your legendary:

SYPHA.9283:

I dont wvw….and wvw map should not be a part of world completion. The pvp maps arent needed for world completion, the dungeons points arent needed for world completion, the mists arent needed for world completion. So why in the kitten should the WVW no talent zerg, scrubfest be needed for completion??

Guess what? World completion isn’t needed either… except to make legendaries. So, learn to play and get your completion, but nobody is going to be sympathetic that you have to actually do something that you can’t solo. If you’re in a locked tier then you’re going to have to contribute, simple as that. Pretty sad that you check to see if other people have done the work for you, frankly.

And all of those people you see running around from Blackgate with legendaries? Somehow they managed it. And they won’t all be bought people or people from way back either.

Put your back into it and earn your legendary, scrub. A big strong dismissive contemptuous PvPer-who-wants-his-legendary should have no problem with schooling all of these no-talent zergers, right?

Hopefully all of that coasting to get rewards works out for you.

You should probably check your facts before posting from the hip. Id say easily 90% of people that have legendaries now, got them when the map used to flip weekly. As far as helping in WVW land it wont much matter if im there or 100 more are there. The sides that i need havent changed colors in 3 months.

As far as being a pver because of world completion that just sounds stupid. Im a rank 62 pvper, scrub.

Not many pvers get PVP rank. Once again your posting not knowing kitten. Keep up with the responses though, id like to see how much more stupid you can make yourself be.

I bet I have more legendaries than you do., and I’ve made one as recently as June. How many do you have, that you can tell the rest of us who already have several how stupid the method is? We managed it, and yet you can’t. Guess you’ve wasted time in PvP when you should have been learning how to play the game rather than a tiny sliver of it exclusively, hmmm?

A pity your shark finisher can’t help you get a few lowly POIs, eh? XD

Good luck with that, though. Your winning personality will definitely help you convince others to flip towers and keeps so you can get your map completion, especially after you’ve said that they have no skill.

They just have map completion.

Jim Hunter.6821:

Merging servers won’t bring about balance. If you want balanced matches you need to lower the population to 50 per side per map. People can either transfer to balance out the servers or sit in queue while the balanced fights are happening.

Jim’s got it right.

SYPHA.9283:

LOL..I’m not a Pver either scrub. I am a PvPer that just wants WC for the legendary.
And, c’mon lets be serious. It takes no skill to run in a blob all day long and proclaim youre a good player after zerging smaller groups. However, if u wanna move up to real PVP let me know and I’ll school you. Zerg scrub.

Actually, if you’ve gone through and done PvE map completion, that’s exactly what you are. And your logic about why you shouldn’t ‘have’ to do WvW map completion kind of wash out since you want it for your legendary:

SYPHA.9283:

I dont wvw….and wvw map should not be a part of world completion. The pvp maps arent needed for world completion, the dungeons points arent needed for world completion, the mists arent needed for world completion. So why in the kitten should the WVW no talent zerg, scrubfest be needed for completion??

Guess what? World completion isn’t needed either… except to make legendaries. So, learn to play and get your completion, but nobody is going to be sympathetic that you have to actually do something that you can’t solo. If you’re in a locked tier then you’re going to have to contribute, simple as that. Pretty sad that you check to see if other people have done the work for you, frankly.

And all of those people you see running around from Blackgate with legendaries? Somehow they managed it. And they won’t all be bought people or people from way back either.

Put your back into it and earn your legendary, scrub. A big strong dismissive contemptuous PvPer-who-wants-his-legendary should have no problem with schooling all of these no-talent zergers, right?

Hopefully all of that coasting to get rewards works out for you.

Full maps are for PvP. WvW has more variety and, if you’re not happy with the concentration of people in your particular tier, feel free to buy some gems and move upward.

If you’re already in the highest tier and you’re not happy with the concentration of people, sadface.

+1 to azyume for the above post.

+10k to azyume for replacing scapegoat with “escape goat”, and the amazing images now in my head as a result.

ET would be in better shape today if a month and a half ago some guild hadn’t moved down there, provided numbers and support, recruited some of their WvW people, and then moved out en masse.

That is a pure vinegar-smelling bag move right there.

Also, now there are mounts and they are profession specific. Some of them can’t be used in WvW, but the engineer’s deathcycle is pretty cool and comes with flamethrowers and spikes, with additional flamerthrowers ON the spikes. And lots of chrome.

King Amadaeus.8619:

I cant hear you from T8?

Maybe transfer up even farther, then you won’t be able to smell me either. You wouldn’t want to get any of the hoi polloi on you, after all.

^^ I always like playing against AR and ET, personally.

Are the members of these same guilds also prone to QQing in forums about other servers getting transfers, using siege, 2v1ing and so on?

Guess we have another server we can now generalize that doesn’t play for the fights but instead are just PvErs playing for easy skins.

Terrible how stereotypes like that start, is it not?

Dayra.7405:

Tribio.8531:

Dayra.7405:

maybe they did not transferred because it costs, but likely your right with the second part: Over 50% of the wvw population from 2 years ago is already gone.

Darling, please.. NO!!!!!

I’m from low tier server, I have gems, and yet, I’m still on FoW..
Please, don’t assume you are the hive mind of every GW2 player..

^^ Just got convinced by someone in another thread that this is the case.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Proposal-Anti-Stacking-Debuf/4325168
Before I did not assumed that. And having the gems and being willing to waste them for something “uninteresting like WvW” are two completely different pairs of shoes.

Yes, I’ve replied to Filovirus in the past. He/she foams at the mouth about how terrible and useless it is to be on a low tier server… they should move if that’s the case. I know that the people who don’t like it have already moved on.

It’s easy to farm enough gold to get the gems, especially if you’re not spending that time in terrible WvW. Squeeze the six NA gold tier servers into three if they want more people, and leave us alone in the other tiers.

Hvaran.6327:

guys, my NA friends…please when u writing about tier 1, 2, 3 add 2 letters NA or EU next time, it’s so annoying to open it just see that another Ronald McDonald can’t add 2 letters.

Best reguards.

+1 for calling USians Ronald McDonalds lol

But you know, the Canadian part of NA servers prefer to be called Tim Hortons. The more you know…

Dayra.7405:

Of course you do not enforce marriages of existing servers, but do a complete reset.

delete all 24/27 current server,
setup 12 new WvW-teams with 1500 Glicko each,
let the people (that play WvW and only these, a person that doesn’t play a week looses server assignment) assign themselves to the new teams.
To make (and keep) it balanced a server that has 110% population (WvW population in this case, as pure PvE player hardly spend gems to assign) population compared to the mean of all servers is marked full.

No. And here’s why: you’re still proposing exactly the same thing – you want to compress the WvW population so that there are blobbier (from the lower half’s point of view) fights. That supports people from the upper half of the tiers, and spits on the preference of the lower half of the tiers.

It’s the exact same thing every other pro-merger has said, except you think it’s more fair if the upper tiers get changed too. Same playstyle, different label for them. Destruction of a mode of play for everybody else.

Pass.

Reverence.6915:

Rimmy.9217:

Some servers can just get things done without having to be in teamspeak, and if anybody ever signs into a map and doesn’t know what to do without seeing a commander tag, that’s a sign of a bad server right there.

Having no commander tag means people new to WvW in your server will not know what to do. Having 0 people in teamspeak diminishes the sense of community. Having no focus on a map means you won’t be able to attack or defend efficiently, further demoralising new players. All this fuels the ‘ded server’ name

From all the “merge servers now!” threads that are constantly being created, it doesn’t sound like many servers are exactly being flooded with new players. But since my server is experiencing a surge in new players (literally new) in WvW, I’ll tell you how we manage it: when one of us sees someone who is obviously new, assuming they aren’t asking questions in map chat, we party with them and show them the ropes. That’s all.

We answer their questions, we give them tips, we give them the address to the server’s website and teamspeak, and tell them to add us to their friends list if they’d like, and to feel free and unabashed to ask questions in map chat any time they’d like.

While it’s nice that your particular community apparently revolves around teamspeak, mine never has. Sure, it exists and sure, people use it. But it isn’t the focus we’ve used in the past, and it’s even less of a focus now. We’re built in a different way – please don’t assume that your way is the only/best way.

And if you can’t attack/defend efficiently without a commander tag on the map, then your community has bred a lot of fairly unimpressive individuals. Sure, we use tags ourselves, but not always. We’d rather everybody be able to work out (edited because the word I wanted to use here contained an ‘a’ followed by ‘ssess’) what needs to be done and then make it happen in massive parallel, rather than needing to see what all of the other drones are doing.

Increasing an individual’s tactical awareness means that they can play when they don’t have sound, like on a borrowed machine, and means that they are a more flexible player. Servers that need a tag so that people can flock to it get called blobby – heard that one before about higher tier servers? It’s not flattering, and it denotes a lack of skilled individuals.

Whether your own server is actually like that or not, you see how your own perceptions colour how you see differences. Stop telling me how my community works and what it needs. I know these things much better that you do. So do the rest of the denizens of bronze, and your vacations where you slum it don’t give you any more insight than someone spending a month in Oklahoma knows what it’s like to be a lifelong farmer.

Shademehr.1397:

I’m kinda on the fence about it tbh. I get the whole “server pride” thing. I enjoy playing with my extended family. I know who the people are in TeamSpeak. I know who they are in /m chat. Lots of us have been playing together for a very long time and it feels pretty good to see the same familiar faces every day.

On the other hand, I kinda view server mergers like getting married. There’s a whole other culture you have to become familiar with in order to make the best of your relationship. And heck, what about all of your spouses extended family? You have to learn to get along with them for better or for worse.

If Anet did a server merge, I wouldn’t kick and scream about it for too long. With that being said, I do have two specific servers in mind that I would rather not be married to.

I don’t come from a culture that does arranged marriages, and I suspect that most of the people clamoring for the forced marriage of servers (which they aren’t even on) don’t either.

So what is it? Do the higher tier servers, alarmed that they’re losing enough people that they don’t get map queues at prime time or don’t have cpu-choking groups smashing into each other want to stripmine the lower tiers for bodies? Or is it that they just can’t conceive that it’s anything but a wasteland down in bronze?

Both probably, depending on who you talk to, but I know I was guilty of the latter before our server plummeted down the ranks. I didn’t obsess on it – in fact I never really thought about it – but if I’m honest I just assumed that the lower tiers were more empty and its denizens were unskilled.

How pleased I was to be proven wrong! As we fell, we got to sample most of the servers on the way down and got a variety of smackdowns in a variety of ways. We still get schooled in certain fights, although recently our WvW population has increased (top tip to merge enthusiasts – they aren’t transfers) enough recently that we have enough steady pressure that we’re moving out of the tiers we’re probably suited for and moving up a bit. Time will tell if we form into something sustainable or if it all blows apart.

For the millionth time, to people that want server merges: people who want to play in a different way have access to transfer, and most of them already have. Those of us who haven’t don’t want to go anywhere else at the moment. If you personally want other servers to merge, then it’s clear you want to play in a particular way that isn’t currently being supported anywhere else in the game as is and, guess what, you’re doomed to disappointment. Don’t inflict your personal preferences on to loads of other people. Thanks.

Reverence.6915:

ErlendR.6107:

Reverence.6915:

It’s not about lack of numbers. It’s about lack of organisation.

Fail troll

When you have 20-25 on the map and 0 people in teamspeak and no commander tag? Yeah that’s called lack of organisation

Some servers can just get things done without having to be in teamspeak, and if anybody ever signs into a map and doesn’t know what to do without seeing a commander tag, that’s a sign of a bad server right there.

Filovirus.6258:

Except yours aren’t playing at all, since there is nobody left on those servers and they aren’t playing WvW, they are running around PvD’ing, most of them to be able to “brag” about being WvW’ers when they are doing things even easier than LS zerg farms from LS S1……
I don’t see how people can pretend doing “WvW” when the maps are empty (ie : less than 30 players on your side to cover all maps, roughly the same thing on other sides) 60+% of the time…..

Oh and you have no idea where i play btw (i tested low gold and top silver, but my main account isn’t on one of those servers at all), i’m just like most people to stay where i am, i stay with my guild and people i know from other guilds and so on (it’s pretty much, that and the price of transferts) the only reason(s) there is still people on low tiers.

I don’t really care where you claim to play, frankly. Your credibility died when you essentially posted "ANet, despite what people on lower tier servers actually want, you should force them to do something because it would benefit (people in another area of the game). I don’t actually have any solid numbers to back up what I’m saying other than word of mouth and what I personally claim to have seen, in a game mode that numbers many thousands of people, but I’ve already decided how things are based on anecdotal ‘evidence’ regardless of what any of those people say to the contrary.’

No thanks. People can play where they want to play and if, in your own experience, the ones from low tiers transfer servers and keep playing and the ones in high tiers just leave the game, then it’s time to forcibly break up the high tier servers and save them from leaving the game. This of course comes from your own words.

Filovirus.6258:

a bunch of random uninformed stuff snipped for brevity and sanity

All of the above is spoken in complete ignorance. Point by point:

Filovirus.6258:

The total active players in pretty much all tiers have been more than halved, and in low tiers it’s because people moved to higher tiers

This is actually an argument against your own point. If the total active players in all tiers have been more than halved (an impossible number for you to back up anyway), then that means that the most populated servers (gold tiers) have lost far more people than the silver and bronze tiers. If the people from bronze who have left to go to higher tiers, then that shows that the active players are from the lower tiers. Where is the far greater number of players who are leaving high tier servers going when they go?

They’re just leaving.

So, you’re advocating that higher tiers offer a better experience than lower tiers, but it’s the higher tiers that have “more than half of their WvW population” leaving the game completely! Sounds like a terrible place to be.

Filovirus.6258:

Pretending to “love” being on a lower tier server

Yes, all of us in all of the “merge the lower tier servers into ____” threads that get started nearly constantly are just fooling ourselves, and attempting to fool others to stave off the hopelessness we have at being forced to play within our tier, totally unable to leave if want to… hang on. We are, in fact, able to leave. So why aren’t we?

Because we like it. And guess what? Lots of us have been in other leagues. Lots of us have more than one account so we know what goes on in silver and gold just fine. Lots of us have friends and former servermates that have moved on to other tiers so we hear from them how it is on their own servers.

It’s a pity that people who have left the upper tier servers can’t claim that last one themselves because, as you’ve said, they’re not moving downward. So they’re just leaving the game, despite apparently being in a better place than bronze.

And as for only playing WvW once in a while, during prime time, with a guild group… have a look at the scores of all the matchups once in a while. You’ll find that if you hide the server names you can’t tell from looking at the points what tier you’re looking at. You have the same totally balanced matches, and you have the same totally lopsided matches. And the ones in between. Seems like someone is ignorant of how things CURRENTLY are in bronze, frankly.

Filovirus.6258:

The whole “it’s only BvB LoL” is totally false, and it’s EXACTLY the same in Bronze too,

Mouth-foamingly self-contradictory. It’s totally false that high tier servers are only blob versus blob, but it is blob versus blob in the lower tier servers, if only they can scrape enough people together? XD

Filovirus.6258:

On opposite, in silver/gold, there is already enough people to cover the need for big
~snipped~ to flip towers too btw).

… the disappearance of solo roamers is because they don’t want to face 2/3 other roamers, but the (much better) 4/6 man teams is okay facing the aforementioned “big groups” (which totally aren’t blobs)? You’re living in a fantasy world, mate.

Filovirus.6258:

Everything you got in lower tiers is possible in better, snipped

Except that people aren’t leaving the game from the lower tiers, are they? No, they’re leaving from the higher tiers – you’ve said as much yourself. If an upper tier can fill a map, so 80 or so people, and they have lost (again, as you said) more than half of their people, that means with the same distribution of population they can now put 40 people on the same map. That’s a huge loss of people, and totally changes the gameplay for the server. But if a low tier server, against as you’ve said, puts 10 people on a map normally but loses half, that’s five people on the same map. You can do much the same kind of gameplay with that.

Except ours are still playing the game, just elsewhere. Yours are just leaving. Sounds like you’re saying that the upper tiers are a toxic stew of horribleness that drives people right out of the game. No thanks.

Swamurabi.7890:

Rimmy.9217:

Regardless of the motivation, if the two lower servers in a match team up against the top server in a match, it’s a good tactical decision.

Playing for first and second beats playing for second and third, any day.

The main problem with WvW tournaments is that in many matches:

only one team plays for first
only one team plays for second
only one team left that gets third

Yup, and the first two both tend to hit the third for easy points. Stupid and unimaginative way to play, really.

Regardless of the motivation, if the two lower servers in a match team up against the top server in a match, it’s a good tactical decision.

Playing for first and second beats playing for second and third, any day.

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: the lower tiers are not a resource for the higher tier servers to stripmine so they can prop up their particular playstyle that seems to be losing people as well.

Most of us like where we are and can always transfer if we don’t. Since we aren’t transferring up in droves, don’t think that forcing us to does anybody any favours.

How about scattering the entire population of the gold tiers over the other eighteen servers instead? Makes about as much sense.

Then you set your graphics for performance, rather than appearance. Don’t try to customize anything, just go for performance. Solved.

Jeknar.6184:

Lower you graphics?

No no, personal responsibility is stupid – someone else must change everything to suit meeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Zackie.8923:

say guys, where should i transfer to for NA season 2 so that i will win easy peasy?

To whichever server has developed time travel.

Shiren.9532:

Isn’t this what EotM was supposed to be for? The testing of new feature for the rest of WvwW? Why aren’t these new WvW features being trialled in EotM?

Because EotM doesn’t reflect WvW and is full of karma trainers and uplevels, so it’s not appropriate to use it as a testbed for a WvW tool.

You don’t swing a hammer underwater, after all.

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

To be honest, the purpose of this post is to see if a Dev would be able to give some form of logical reasoning as to how this is good for the competitive health of 80% of their servers…

But ANet doesn’t have to be responsible for the “competitive health” of their servers – if the players in those servers decide to bunch up in a few, that’s on the players, not ANet.

And how would the policy go? Make it impossible to mail gold/gems/high value items to accounts on different servers? Keep a quota of how many people who have ever belonged to x guild and say “Right, there’s already been five that have moved servers – that’s it!”?

Lock the servers? Find every account that’s ever transferred and move them back, refunding their gems?

We did this to ourselves, the “community”. Convince your fellow players that it’s a bad thing for the overall health of the game, if you think you can. They’re the ones who transfer / have transferred / will transfer in the future.

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

Our server hasn’t lost anyone… but I do know several servers have been absolutely gutted in the last three weeks. It’s almost to the point I can’t even think of any major WvW guilds that are left from bronze through low/mid silver…

Glad to hear you haven’t lost anyone – what is motivating you to bring up this well worn topic on behalf of the servers who have been ‘completely gutted’ now, though?

If you can’t think of any major WvW guilds left from bronze through silver, assuming that’s not just because you don’t play on/against them all, perhaps it’s an issue we’re all familiar with, one that blazfazzes the shimstock, and have come to accept as the reality of the game?

You propose that people be forced to stay where they no longer want to be, as though chaining their ankles would result in their server’s WvW scene remaining unchanged?

@OP

As appalling as you might find it, so? Except for the current tier one servers, and maybe tier 2 as well, we’ve all been through this. Your post is about 1.5 years late.

Servers suck for going to other servers and recruiting, and your servermates suck for being buyable.

But really, it’s about what it does to the server that loses the group of people all at once, isn’kitten Some recover, some don’t. Some pull together, some get blown apart so far that no recovery is really possible.

You want a response from ANet about the reality of human nature?

P.S. Using CAPITALS to try to EMPHASIZE your POINTS just makes your post look like an THE END IS NIGH type leaflet ENCOURAGING people to SELL their POSSESSIONS since the APOCALYPSE hates CLUTTER, apparently.

And a 36% chance of us! It’s like Groundhog Day in here.

Dano.5298:

Super server to be on.

Tonight we had the outnumbered buff almost all night and through intense coordination with our strongest WvW guild we held our own in 3 bls.

You guys have been amazing, and I hope you continue to stay the course.

Pinkamena Diane Pie.8054:

SkylightMoon.2098: Structured PvP Forums

I can definitely say it really has been two years now and if two years ago I told you and the WvW community who was still here that two years from now, what would your reaction have been? Even when Anet had this whole E-Sports idea that didn’t work out too well, I figured that it at least showed them to be dedicated to an area of the game and that it would get a lot of content. I feel like objectively, even by GW2 standards, has had very little content added especially within the 2nd year of the games history.

The last map we had added for WvW was exactly two years ago, which also around that time, in September I think, we heard the devs talk about new modes. That was a year ago? What have they been doing? Its very dissapointing :/ I don’t think its unrealistic for any MMO that has a developed WvW community to ask for a new mode or just something that is significant. The feature update was nice but when you really think about it, it wasn’t all that much. It blurred the line between PvP/PVE, made UI changes, also made editing your build more convenient, and a reward track(which did give a lot more incentive to do PvP).

On a last note I think one reason this may be which is one reason for a lot of decisions probably made in GW2 is that the devs are really afraid of spreading their playerbase. I think this fear is constantly on the back of the devs minds. Ive heard them mention it many times in the history of GW2 because of their experience with GW1 where it did really affect the game.

But for WvW please.

To answer your topic question, the good fights are in bronze. Yes, really.

Not map-queuing ones, but there’s room to roll in a large group if you want to, there’s room to havoc, there’s room to solo roam, there’s room for fights, there’s room for siege, there’s room… to do everything you can’t do in a rigid hierarchy and an overstuffed population.

Some silver matchups are also quite fun, I’m told. I certainly enjoyed my time there.

I can’t deny – when someone calls out for help on a map you often see [RUN] tags shortly thereafter.

I see it’s been 24 hours since the last post in here, so consider this a bump. I’m lazy, so I’m just going to paste something I posed a couple of months back in one of the many “upper tiers need ANet to force more people into our servers, so merge the lower tiers” threads. Hope you don’t mind a repost:

Public Service Announcement:

Denizens of upper tier servers! If you’re looking for a server to transfer to with no queue times and less boring zerg play, please consider Eredon Terrace. They seem like good people and plenty of them are very solid players – all they lack is numbers.

We on Ehmry Bay have thoroughly enjoyed our matches with them, and despite a bit of forum trolling we speak well of them on our own forums, by and large. We were worried that when we sank from T4 to T8 there would be no fights to be had, but they (and Kaineng) showed us that wasn’t the case.

The people that ET have left are scarred and grizzled veterans, and with just a few more bodies in their barracks would be vying with us to see who gets to T7 first.

They’ve had transfers in the past who left because there wasn’t enough easy reward – if you want to zerg your way to PPT then this is the wrong tier for you anyway. But if you want a tier and server where your individual efforts make a tangible difference – Eredon Terrace.

Cowards need not apply.

Straegen.2938:

The day a player cannot use a Legendary in WvW is the day I will support no WvW map completion.

Beautifully and laconically phrased.

I like a lot of your thinking Tonaius, and was remarking on a couple of the above ideas to a fellow player the other day.

However, if the Outnumbered buff becomes something useful, it would indeed open it up to be used tactically. This may be a bit harder for upper tier / high population servers, but down low where a single staff ele on the walls of a tower can, in fact, wipe a party of four or five if played right… there may need to be a flexible situational adjustment to the buff.

katniss.6735:

Don’t buy pre-cursors. By the time you save up 800+ gold, some market flipping guy with all the gold in the world will have doubled the price. There are other skins in the game you can get either for free, or by buying gems instead, that look decent.

Nonsense. I’ve done it, and it’s easy. If you spend an hour a day, ideally two, farming even a moderately successful and stable materials type farm, you’re looking at 25-45 gold per day. So, assume you’re starting at zero and take the lowest range: 25 gold.

Forty days, or 1.3 months, or six weeks to get 1000 gold, minus days off and minus expenses and impulse buys.

Do you think your precursor is going to double in that time? It won’t.

But for the love all that is holy, do NOT make the gifts before you have your precursor – the precursor is the thing that will take literally the most time to get, and that includes map completion. Once you have the precursor, everything takes less time and so you feel like you’re getting closer to it.

Doing it the other way makes it feel way longer, and you’ll give in to despair.

Set your goal, and make it happen. It’s really that easy. But time consuming. Watch cartoons.

MarkoNS.3261:

Hello, i heard precursors can drop from bonus chests (mists chest) in wvw, is that true. and while we are on the topic i know this was probably asked a lot before but what is the best way to get precursors i am trying to get bolt ^^ .

Realistically, save up your gold to buy the precursor. In doing that, you’ll end up killing lots of things – and a precursor can drop from literally anything – and you’ll get a lot of the things you need to turn a precursor into a legendary.

There is no quick and easy guaranteed way to get a precursor – they are literally random. Assume you’ll have to buy it, and you won’t be disappointed. I’ve only got two legendaries, and I bought the precursor for both of them. 6k+ hours logged in the game.

A week after I bought my precursor for the Bifrost, a guy in my then-guild who had only been playing the game for maybe three weeks got the same precursor from an npc at ne camp on some BL or other.

TL;DR save up your gold and buy the thing. Don’t waste your money on the mystic forge.

Serbianwolf.1652:

Jeknar.6184:

Well, you rather wait until your server get these keeps/tower for you? Then why you are complaining in the first place?

Not sure if some people blind or trolling. You CAN’T win against zerg! There are simply no people to play with in WvW! What do you want more from me to tell you? Can’t you understand what I am writing at all?

Look at the attachment picture, just look at it. When its like that 24/7, how could you complete WvW?

Your screenshot just shows someone else’s borderland, not your own. What does your own look like?

Like I said in my previous post, you were red when you took that, and are now green. Ideally you get the bulk of your home BL done, and the third of EBG that’s closest to you.

As you change colours, you get those then. Where is the problem?

Serbianwolf.1652:

Jeknar.6184:

Serbianwolf.1652:

“Buy some gems and transfer to server which has good WvW reputation”. Are you serious? Money doesn’t fall from the sky, specially if you live in poor EU country like I do. Not everyone lives in America ffs!!! I can’t afford transfer.

You can buy gems with in-game gold…

Do you think I will grind every day till I reach 220 gold to pay for transfer? Not going to happen. I am not insane.

That is a week (seven days) of easy farming, maybe two hours a day, while watching cartoons at the same time. It doesn’t mean cutting edge farming or watching the market.

But if you do transfer, don’t be like the guy who went from Ehmry bay to Jade Quarry – I’ve helped people get map completion in WvW on Ehmry Bay in the past month – people just shout it out in map chat or (more rarely) on TS and we can usually make it happen in short order. Going to what is essentially a locked tier (like tier 1) is a mistake, especially if map completion is important to you. If you’re going to move, go somewhere mobile.

I will say, though I don’t really follow the EU servers, that even the bottom tier in NA has some mobility so I’m sure that EU does as well. I see that though you were red when you started posting in this thread, you’re green now. That’s a bunch of stuff you’ll get right there, so congrats.

Make sure you switch to your alts and get what you can as green too – you never know what you’ll do in the future and you may as well make it easy on yourself.

Chaba.5410:

Victory.2879:

Mark’s comment tells us nothing, promises nothing and gives away nothing

That’s about as diplomatic a response as is possible when the mob is fickle.

+1 for an all-too-frequently unrealized truth.

pdavis.8031:

Good point. But either way getting the WvW completion isnt difficult, it just takes time, and people dont like doing anything that resembles work to get what they want.

Also on this: "what have PvErs done for the WvWers lately? " just reminded of Monty Python’s life of Brian:
Reg: All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
Attendee: Brought peace?
Reg: Oh, peace – shut up!

+1

It’s hard to respect PvErs in WvW since, if they’re on your server and are anywhere near a fight, they become total rallybots. They don’t listen to what people say, especially when what they’re doing affects other people. The reverse isn’t true.

It’s not like a WvWers can come in when people are doing an event in PvE and single-handedly screw everything up resulting in the event failing and time being wasted.

Plus, PvErs benefit from all of the powers of the mist that their WvW crew gains them by playing – what have the PvErs done for the WvWers lately? Certainly nothing to warrant an automatic ceasefire from opponents so that they can get a few POIs and skill points.

No, if you want these, play WvW. It’s usually the only way you’re going to get the POIs inside structures anyway.

Zinrae.3769:

Amybubbles.1039:

That’s funny. So you can spend all your time in WvW doing your PvP and being a brat and get everything you need, you aren’t forced to do PvE. But we want something where we aren’t forced to do PvP and that’s unreasonable? Hmm. That’s kinda cute. Take a moment and consider that some of us don’t enjoy PvP/WvW or even consider it to be interesting. It’d be fine if it was optional, like to take a Legendary into WvW you had to do WvW completion or something. But forcing people who don’t like it at all to do it is asinine.

Wait… so you are saying that WvW players get everything handed to us? And that we don’t have to PvE for legendaries?

Please tell me this is a troll.

Definitely not a troll. This is why players who primarily WvW are all really rich. nods

Fuzzion.2504:

Your suggestion would not be feasible in NA kitten t2 when theres near 24/7 action. I wish you all the best though.

You got filtered because it looked like you were saying t ONE t… a variation on an organic milk generator. nods

Reverence.6915:

Jeknar.6184:

Blix.8021:

Jeknar.6184:

I fought for all my other 100%. I even bought a tag, rallied the people and razed that stupid green keep during NA primetime.

Cool story. Now try to do that on TC against JQ or BG.

The people from the server helped and we were able to do it. I’m pretty sure TC can muster waaaaaaay more people than ET ever will. Now, if your server don’t want to cooperate with you, that’s not my problem…

Have you ever fought a full map queue of people in comms together? T3 home keeps rarely get taken without a double team, it’s that hard. It’s simple not about population at this point but cooperation. How many PvE players are going to be willing to change their armor, weapons, trinkets, traits and utility skills as well as join in comms and actually follow commands? Near impossible (a few would, majority won’t). Instead, commanders get abused in chat by the ‘play-how-I-want’ people when they try rally people and advertise their server’s comms.

It’s so much easier when your opponent can’t rally a zerg big enough to defend.

Or, since we all know that double-teams occur, organize one. Set it up as an event, get your numbers on who wants to go (and then who actually shows up), do your best to organize the parties and decide on the objectives ahead of time. And just do it.

This isn’t rocket science. And if you’ve managed to keep honourably good relations with the server that you’re hitting for the POIs, maybe they’d be on board with people drilling holes in their walls (and not capping) if the favour was returned for their own people.

Just saying.

Jeknar.6184:

The people from the server helped and we were able to do it. I’m pretty sure TC can muster waaaaaaay more people than ET ever will. Now, if your server don’t want to cooperate with you, that’s not my problem…

I guess lower ranked servers just have a better community.

Jeknar.6184:

If I gotten 1 dollar everytime I hear a PvE’er cry about not being able to take green keep PoI/Vista, I’d be rich today…

Sometimes I wish Anet would just remove WvW from map completion, so I don’t have to hear the same QQ over and over again because my server is never green and we never get the green keep in Eternal Battleground. But then again, I rather have them to suffer what I’ve suffered instead of seeing the map completion being handed to them. I’ve had to fight for mine, everyone that have it fought for it, so they have to fight for theirs aswell.

Right? I’d love an official noclip mode to skate through PvE for quick map completion too, so I could get map rewards without actually doing anything.

atlrising.5134:

Call it a short amount of time where all the worlds give players a chance to work toward map completion. It also would encourage PvErs to come check out WvW and feel safe enough to figure out if they want to stay. I was killed minutes into coming into WvW and thought of giving up but stuck with it. Five minutes is not much in a scheme of the week long match.

Couple of contradictions in here:

1) it’s not “working” toward map completion if you’re asking for it to be handed to you

2) PvErs that “feel safe” in WvW won’t be getting an accurate sense of the experience, and will be in for a brutal shock if/when they decide to actually play. Said shock will put them off coming back.

And your idea really just lets people into enemy keeps to report back siege position and numbers. It takes hours to build up a structure with maximum upgrades and to ensure that the supply gets there, and someone with a free pass to roll around through it can undo that in “five minutes”. It is a lot in the scheme of a week long match.

Much better to organize the PvErs that need map completion into an event, and if you have any numbers (possibly bolstered by the existing WvW force and commanders) go and take the points you need. That way, you’ll get what you need and you’ll be giving the WvWers what they need. Quid pro quo.