Guild Wars 2

Now to keep those points coming. Unfortunately, it is up to you, our night crew. Can you keep those points coming so we can get to second?

From what I heard TC should be dropping back down to T3 soon, so good news, everybody will be able to talk like before! Now if only they could do something about the number of servers per tier…3 isn’t nearly enough.

LieutenantGoogle.7326:

Actually I have to disagree with this
for 6 server brackets would mean combining T1-2 , T3-4 and etc.
The difference between the individual tiers between T1-4 is utterly massive.
The first tier bracket if this were to be implemented (SoS, JQ, BG, SOR, TC, SBI) would show nothing but blowouts to those who belong in tier one or 1v1 situations where the original tier 2 server just sit back and be nothing but a nuisance.

You’d prefer for it to be kept the same as it is now? As of right now, we need a massive change in how scores are tallied and how servers are chosen to fight each other, because 3 to a tier doesn’t really work, especially when a server in T3 can be thrown to T4 and just steamroll them, without getting enough points to go back to T3. Meaning those in T4 would lose week after week and get disheartened, and the server from T3 will just get bored completely with WvW. Not saying it would be the end of it, but the tier would get mighty boring.

Furey.6734:

No bad impression taken from it. We are starting to get a little annoyed at CD tactics. Is is like they are just playing for 2nd and will do anything to take us down. When FA was assaulting our buggy hills which cant get supplies from Astral still, CD was blockading our reinforcements on the NW gate side. Right now DB is 3 pts under from being able to stay in tier 3 and CD heading down to tier 4. We understand that FA thinks we are the bigger threat, but please don’t over focus on us if you want us to remain in tier 3

Well considering that whoever loses this gets thrown down a tier, yeah…we’re fighting for second. Unless DB would like to join us in throwing FA down to third so they get thrown back to T4.

My way of fixing the obtaining of a legendary is simple…account bound the precursors when you get them, and upon getting one a quest is added for you to find out more about it, and unleash its true power. They would be difficult, have a few special dungeon runs, and end with the weapon being upgraded, with the quests being different depending on which precursor you obtained.

There, problem solved.

To be perfectly honest, I feel for IoJ as it is now. And I also feel nothing but disrespect and dislike for the guilds who left after only a few losses. We have a phrase for your kind in the Charr language…Honorless Gladium.

To be honest I find the current Tier system to be badly made. Only 3 per tier? That pretty much sucks, as it’s very easy to get thrown down a tier or up one. I’d prefer if it was 6 servers per tier, that way nobody’s going to get kicked out of their current tier unless things really don’t go their way. It also randomizes who you fight for the weeks, so you don’t have constant fights weeks in a row.

For example, if CD, DB, FA, Mag, Kain, and TC were all in a tier, you could have CD v Mag v TC one week, and CD v DB v TC another week. By randomizing it every week and keeping the tiers set up a way, everybody has somebody to fight, and it makes things more interesting overall, instead of just one server dominating top place every time.

eisberg.2379:

The Gates Assassin.9827:

Think it’s more fun this way?

yes, your idea is much more fun to achieving a legendary, and is far more difficult then the the current system.

More difficult? Let’s be honest, it’s not.

For the current system, you have to wait for a precursor drop from something (which can take a month) or buy from the TP (will also take a month to get that amount of gold), and then spend months to get the materials necessary to upgrade it to Legendary. The way he mentioned can be done in less than 2 weeks easily.

Ohai Oro. Yeah, that reminds me I really need to take a picture with him in it, though you know for a fact I just love Khalrin’s armor. It’s so awesome it makes me look like a child watching a Super Robot show.

The problems I see with that are two things.

1. Time attacks for JP don’t work when it’s entirely dependent on the player’s skill and computer setup on how fast they can complete one.

2. This isn’t really a complaint, but a notice. You set it up like this, then almost everybody and their mother will have a Legendary, which could possibly defeat the purpose of having one.

Oglaf.1074:

Wrong. The Thief is a class of many skills, which like the Elementalists, are mostly OP in PvP.

:D

Elementalists…OP?

laughs like the Joker

Really though, they’re not. They’re pretty easy to take out.

Henrik.7560:

FA, you got nine guilds, and easilly out number us. Don’t be stupid enough to ask for even more. This is really annoying me seeing a server that wants more and more and more and more and more people. Never happy?

Nono, let them. When they make it to T2, they’ll get beaten down most likely and thrown back to us. It might cause another mass server exodus as well ( kitten guilds that can’t stay on a single server) for all we know.

Nilgoow.1037:

BroScientist.9875:

If there’s nerfs though, I seriously will cry.

Traps are getting nerfed.

So you think, just because they said AoE are getting nerfed without specifics on WHICH parts…

Araliun.5024:

I can assure you, and all of Dragonbrand, the following: 1) I’ve heard nothing but positive comments and feedback regarding DB’s performance so far in this matchup. We’ve seen sportsmanship and fair play. You have improved since our last match up, and it’s good to see that. We may be fighting for points to stay in the match right now but its a pleasure to have you in the Tier. 2) Crystal Desert has absolutely no love, no respect, no desire to assist or partner with FA. We hold total disrespect for FA. In time you may come to understand why, if not assuredly.

To add to this, we want DB to stay in this tier so you can help with Maguuma. Our server DESPISES Maguuma (for quite a few reasons that make them worse than FA in the majority’s eyes).

Jay.3284:

RyuDragnier.9476:

To be honest, there’s one reason why you’d want to choose a ranger…the debuffs you can throw on an enemy. In dungeons, there can and WILL be times where you have to debuff the HELL outta an enemy because it won’t die fast otherwise. For those times, I’ve found rangers can truly shine, especially if the ranger throwing the debuffs on the enemy has a full trap build.

Then you should play the Necro

I was thinking about making that the next class I get up to level 80, actually. Well, as soon as I’m done with my Guardian anyway.

Score and map update? I want to see how well everybody is doing. And I can’t remember, but…don’t we usually get taken to last on the weekend only to rush back up to 1st during the week?

To be honest, there’s one reason why you’d want to choose a ranger…the debuffs you can throw on an enemy. In dungeons, there can and WILL be times where you have to debuff the HELL outta an enemy because it won’t die fast otherwise. For those times, I’ve found rangers can truly shine, especially if the ranger throwing the debuffs on the enemy has a full trap build.

maloki.3527:

Necromancer’s AoE doesn’t even trigger (Marks) unless someone else stepps into it, it doesn’t trigger on downed players. It’s quite a pain when you mainly run staff, to try and kill a downed player.
When someone tries to revive them it makes me happy!

It’s the same with the Ranger traps. I usually throw a flame trap and a frost trap on the downed enemy, and watch whoever steps into it kill the downed enemy and hurt themself. I’ll even throw in an Entangle at that point if I feel the need to really mess with them.

Nice! Keep going everybody, let’s make this the closest battle any of our servers have ever seen!

I don’t like this idea. Despite the fact I want the name of “Hayk” for myself (it was my name in multiple other MMOs but apparently it was taken here), I don’t want to penalize players for not playing for a while.

Uhh Ze, you made his point with the guardian comment. Staff 2 has 1200 range. Cluster Bomb has a range of 1200. If you want to increase the range of the thief’s normal weapons, you also have to do the same for the Guardian. And let me ask you…do you REALLY want a Guardian to have more range?

Unavi.8760:

Because of Steve Blum. :-)

Imagine if they gave one of the Charr Crispin Freeman’s voice.

etrigan.4213:

Honestly just wait until this week is over and DON’T go with the server that is winning. Actually go with the server that loses this week in T3.

I’m with this guy. The WvW score in T3 is very close among all the servers, and it’s very possible that CD or FA could get knocked into 3rd place, or that DB stays in 3rd. And judging from the battles I’ve been having with DB and FA in WvW, they are VERY good servers to fight against or fight with. Regardless of who loses, know that if you choose them, you’re choosing a server who does an amazing job in WvW, and any and all 3 of us will welcome you with open arms.

MarzAttakz.9608:

RyuDragnier.9476:

A question Marz. Have you ever coded?

I have coded my friend, and continue to do so, obviously not on the scale of what they’ve created. However the bugs I was alluding to are actual code fixes for class bugs that in fact do not address the issue, in most cases they then adjust the tooltips to match the error.

But let me ask you a question in return. Do you not think that the statements you made support the need for a public test server so that players are able to test changes before releasing to live?

I hadn’t thought of this. QUICK! WE MUST MAKE THIS A SUGGESTION!

Can anybody give a map update? I can’t really log in for a while due to having to go shopping in about 30 minutes, but I’d like to see how our servers are doing. Also DB, you guys are doing an incredible job. Here’s hoping CD doesn’t go up to T2 just yet, because I know we’d love to keep having these fights with you.

Welp, my duty is done for the night. Here’s a score update everybody. Again, a close race, it’s anybody’s game. DB, I have to say I’m impressed with you guys. You’ll fit right in with the power flipping antics of this tier. And sorry about the emote spam, I was too lazy to actually cover what was being said in the chat.

Ahh, good point. I hadn’t looked at that thread yet.

BarnabyMalong.7561:

CD and FA….man you guys don’t give up been trying to protect SM from simultaneous attacks for a while, and….ughhhh lol. So much pressure! I’m having such a fun time, however! Great battles all around!

The culling and lag is making grabbing the center hard for all sides. I kept dying because I keep encountering 10 second lag for my skills in SMC right now. Had that Healing Spring kicked in when I needed it, I’d have been helping push FA out from the center.

To be honest, we’d welcome you with open arms. The problem would be getting your entire guild over here without some being locked out by the “Server is currently full” notification. We’ve gotten that quite a bit as of late.

Wow this is getting close! I wonder who’ll be on top.

A question Marz. Have you ever coded? If you make 1 mistake in the code, you could fix something but cause something else to go out of whack. Even with a small amount of code (10KB) it can take hours to figure out where you went wrong and how to fix it. Now imagine something the size of this game (over 2GB). It probably can take weeks to months to figure out where they went wrong.

Plus well, when they test the code they don’t have over several thousand players doing various random things they wouldn’t even think of trying in order to check it. So us finding bugs they miss can’t really be declared us them missing the obvious. For example, several classmates in the coding class I took last year found bugs in my coding project that I had never found because I had never even thought of doing the things they did.

Mikitten058:

To the OP:
If you had to wait through a 1 hour queue, then it’s not your team being out numbered. It’s your team being out played.

This.

The ONLY time I go through a 1 hour queue is when we’re encountering heavy numbers on our side in WvW.

Haha Evalana, I could only think of your character saying “Isn’t it glorious?” with that pose. XD

Frankly, I feel the underwater Lick Wounds glitch does need to be handled. Don’t nerf the heal, stop the glitch that causes the eternal healing to begin with. And judging how it keeps happening with the pet down, somebody probably forgot to set the flag to turn off Lick Wounds when the pet dies during it underwater. It could possibly be an easy fix…if they can find it. Looking through piles of code for a single error can take a while.

Matt Witter.6982:

There are a few different knobs we can turn in regards to AoE some of the bigger ones being:
Radius of the AoE
Frequency of the AoE Damage
Damage of the AoE
Max Targets of the AoE

Currently, some players causing the AoE are able to do more damage to one person while also controlling a portion of the field, compared to a player with single target damage.
In our balance discussions we always look at what these changes could do to PvE as well as PvP. Any changes we make will undergo a lot of testing, both internal and by our trusted alpha team. It is important to understand that we are not doing a blanket nerf to all AE’s or a dramatic adjustment of the damage AoE’s can do. There may be some cases where players can build for AoE damage, but are just not viable or other cases where AoE is clearly the dominate way to build, and as such the other builds get left on the side lines. Its these classes/builds that we are concerned about.

Sounds to me like you just need to adjust the damage those AoE cause to a single player to be equal to that of others. For example, if the AoE is doing more damage per tick or more ticks to a single person than it does to a group of people, then you need to fix a part of the calculation for damage so it’s equal to that for a single target as it is for a group or to make a set number of ticks for each person in the circle as long as they don’t go over it. For the second one, it sounds like either a while loop or an if/else statement is needed, possibly both. But knowing how code is, I’m betting it’s more complicated than that, correct?

^I agree with sotose. What he put down makes sense, and it makes choosing your pet more viable as you’re choosing skillsets in a sense like they were weapons.

I’m not going to assume our AoE is nerfed. Mostly because you got this information off Reddit. Until I see OFFICIAL FORUM WORD from the devs on this, I take that info from Reddit with a grain of salt. Besides, to be honest I don’t recall seeing AoE from any class that needs to be nerfed…save for the elementalist, but they’re so easy for a ranger to kill that there’s no point worrying about that attack for us (plus the AoE is so easy to dodge).

The only problem I have as a ranger is the pet. It comes out when I take damage and won’t go back in until aggro is gone, aggros everything under the sun, and in dungeons and WvW, dies so often that it’s basically impossible to keep a decent damage rate on anything or anyone. The main problems with the class IMO stem from the pet. Fix the pet, you fix the problems.

Dragonbrand, WELCOME TO T3! I hope you guys are able to have fun and learn some new things in this tier, just like how FA and CD are hoping we can learn some things from you.

Gelltor.3015:

Using the skill revives your pet so he can come heal you,it’s not a bug

Nono, underwater the pet will still heal you while it’s dead, even if it was killed AFTER the Lick Wounds effect started.

Unspecified.9142:

I ran across a Ranger using this the other day and it was kind of annoying but it’s actually fairly simple to interrupt the pet who is healing the ranger and/or just kill it putting the pet rez on CD.

People are just too obsessed with killing the ranger and they ignore the pet.

Yep. They also forget the easiest way to deal with a ranger during this time. You complain about us getting out of down state? Use that time to cooldown your skills and set things up to take us down again the second we come up. Because if we’re hit the SECOND we get out of it, there’s no HP regen, we’re stuck at subpar HP, making it easier to kill us. You’d be surprised how many people seem to forget that.

Hekatombaion.4320:

That’s a bit unfair- they had a good showing their first week here and then after that the two of you kept CD in check for the most part. This critical mass thing wasn’t really something either of you could predict and even now we’re still only speculating on quite how much each factor influenced it.

If I were to guess, just one thing cropped up this week that wasn’t there last week…college. College started this week, and that might explain the turnout and numbers, what with people busy getting things ready for it, and actually going to class. If that is indeed the case, that could also explain the large showing both servers had the first couple of weeks, and why we only were able to shoot back after the holidays were over.

I actually used this without meaning to while in WvW the other day. I ended up killing multiple people before finally I got hit by a 10 person zerg who were smart enough to let my pet heal me completely before attacking me. I died shortly afterwards.

Looks like it may be from the Citadel of Flames.

EDIT kitten this is what happens when you leave something on the tabs for too long without refreshing it. XD

If you’re going to nerf the portal, do an actual logical nerf…like it only being able to be used by people in the mesmer’s party, and if the mesmer leaves the party or is kicked, the portal instantly shuts itself off. Or do the shutting off thing but it happens when 5 people other than the mesmer going through it.

oflow.2157:

I agree with the OP. Also, transferring servers doesnt help. If you play on any of the original high pop servers all the people that rushed to cap at launch are already on the fractal treadmill and dont goto Orr at all.

looks at Orr on Crystal Desert server and sees multiple karma trains going and farming groups, along with people helping others 100% the place

Are you REALLY sure you’re right?

To be perfectly honest, making the Ranger the ‘combo master’ of the classes sounds like a good idea.

TC, no offense, but it sounds like there’s a few parts of the gameplay you might not have mastered. Have you learned to time your dodges? It takes a while, but once you get used to it quite a few of the ‘one shot’ attacks become super easy to dodge. Especially since if you’re not lagging, the enemies that do them pretty much tell you in advance from their stance and an energy charging animation.

I’ve only had this problem in Orr. I mean come on, the undead are EVERYWHERE! It’s rare to even find a safe zone to AFK in while you take a bathroom break!

FA, you guys are getting better. It’s an eternal battle struggle between us and you, and I can’t go anywhere without running into a zerg of you guys.

IoJ, I rarely see you guys other than when I’m in your territory, and I’ve noticed that most of your guys seem to be camping the JP. Have you guys just given up this weekend?

SteepledHat.1345:

RyuDragnier.9476:

Wait…people are complaining about pets, which are some of the EASIEST things to kill in PvP? AoE kills them pretty fast people, it isn’t that hard to take out a pet.

Phantasams were easier to kill. Did you see all the crying they caused?

Good point.

To quote a meme…“This is why we can’t have nice things.”