Guild Wars 2

Kaon.7192:

Wow this was amazingly informative. Really appreciate the time you guys took to put this together.

I haven’t touched sPvP in a while now for much of the same reasons discussed in the interview. Build variety and viability is definitely in a horrible place for Thieves at the moment.

Builds that make heavy use of Stealth and related mechanics such as Stealth Attacks and related traits (consisting of a large majority of the Thief’s build repertoire) give up the ability to effectively contest points, which makes them completely unviable in high-level sPvP. Yet the constant Stealth related QQ from the mindless masses from WvW and sPvP hotjoin scrubs has already resulted in the extension of Revealed by 33% (which is still not yet reverted in sPvP where Stealth needs the most help), and will soon result in further decreasing the viability of Stealth in the form of enemy-induced Revealed.

I would like to ask for Ningyou’s opinion on the prospect of possibly removing the Invisibility aspect of Stealth altogether (call it something different) in return for the ability to contest points. The user would still be untargettable by single-target skills, but can still be hit by AoE’s, Cleaves, and non-targeted projectiles, and would remain clearly visible throughout the duration. Let AI continue to treat Thieves in this state as if they were Invisible as before, to retain the mechanic’s utility in PvE and improve its viability against AI-heavy builds in sPvP.

I feel this idea is worth experimenting with, because in my humble opinion, the entire Stealth mechanic will never truly be viable as a mechanic to build around for as long as the Stealth state itself precludes contesting points. I’m also hoping the removal of Invisibility will bring a slightly more civilized tone to the balance “debate” in the forums and elsewhere that forced ANet’s hand in nerfing Stealth to this sorry state to begin with.

I would very much appreciate any input a Thief player in the high-level competitive scene can offer on this idea.

The only mistake that was made is stealth stacking higher than 3s, completely useless in sPvP of course. If stealth would always be 3s hidden 3s revealed~ you wouldn’t have so much QQ about it.

Where stealth/perma stealth is completely useless in sPvP, it is extremely OP in WvW. Thieves in sPvP is a joke tho, no cc, not able to hold points unless you’re going S/D and evade/step like crazy. I’m personally not into the crowd control game.. though WvW gets really boring and repetitive too. Kinda hoping for GvG, Anet?

messiah.1908:

your last vid makes me laugh….

question: do you think 30 points in SA is a must and does the Shadow’s Rejuvenation really needed? if not what do you think about 20,0,20,15,15 build?
which gives more power, cd on venoms, more conditions to cover the bleed and torment and you dont lose the perma dodges (almost)

I prefer survivability over anything.. and Shadow Rejunevation is definitely needed, unless you go with a high damage single target burst build (kill, stomp & out..)

Every stealth based thief build uses Rejunevation, the only time I didn’t use it I had alternatives to heal me (mango pie for example, but only heals for 85HP per sec, also out of stealth though)

roamzero.9486:

FinalPatriot.8034:

@Sceinna,

My main character (until recently) was a thief that I had been toying around with on the condition side. My largest problem was those blasted warriors and how quickly they could lock me down and kill me (which is why I rolled one). Anyways, how do you counter them and do you find this build effective against them? Is the lack of the SB ever a problem for you? Sorry for all the questions.

Thief in general just isn’t good against a competent fotm warrior, P/D included. With P/D, instead of locking you down and blocking your bursts with their invuln/stunning you etc, they’ll just outheal your conditions, and use their superior mobility to run for it if they get close to dying.

^

Warrior mobility is something I can’t match, I tend to leave solo warriors alone because I know there’s a big chance they’ll just outrun me.. I can keep up with my build but I do have to use my stunbreaker, if the warrior makes a turn for me, he can totally screw me up.

As for stuns.. warrior stuns are SO easy to dodge, learn to know them and dodge at the right times, I’ve never had issues fighting a good warrior.

No, the price is right.. respeccing is cheap, but I don’t understand the idea behind a one use consumable (that costs about 4g if you pay ingame currency) to reset your traits a single time.. who the hell buys that? :/

It’d be more interesting to see a WvW ability consumable, because of Guard Leech & Applied fortitude, really can make a difference in your build.

Anet.. why? For that rare occasion someone wants to reset their traits during a dungeon? I’m not paying real money for something you can get for 10s in-game?

Why not WvW ability points reset consumable for WvW? THAT would make you a lot of money, I’d definitely pay for it. I’ve done my purchases from the Gemstore because I want to support the game (over 100e) but I’m often disappointed with the stuff that appears in there.. so much of it seems so useless, but that’s my opinion..

I am speaking for myself of course but I’m pretty sure others may find this a useless consumable too and the WvW variant will guaranteed sell really good.. and I don’t see the advantage or disadvantage of it.

You could limit WvW consumable so you can only reset points in PvE if you’re afraid of people exploiting it. You could also make it cost more than 70 gems so people would have to think twice to reset.

Just my thoughts on this.. pretty sure I’ll have people thinking alike here.

It’s been civil because there hasn’t been a matchup, it’s literally pugs vs pugs from all sides. Only rank I see is “assaulter” lol.

One of the funniest solo’d you’ll probably see, the idea is simply but how many times do you get the chance to do one like this? ;D You can imagine I was already giggling making my way up there.

style.6173:

Scorpio Spork.9568:

Okay. You’ve convinced me to try Withdraw with my P/D setup. I’m afraid without Centaur Runes Withdraw won’t be as nice, but there’s no harm in trying.

Very nice video, excellent gameplay.

You aren’t going to like it as much. The whole point of using centaur runes with withdrawal is to get close to permaswiftness. Without the centaur runes, I wouldn’t use withdrawal especially if you rune 30 in SA.

Not close to.. it is perma swiftness (+3s on dodge, don’t forget) I can stack my Swiftness up to 1min. I just fell in love with these amazing and super cheap runes, I’ll never swap em out.

@Above,
Class easiest to kill for me is ranger and mesmer (unless he’s really good or some crazy perplexity shatter type of build)

Hardest is D/D ele by far.. due to all of the condition removals they have, it’s even tough killing a bad D/D ele sometimes.

Thank you for these comments guys.

New funny video, soloing Woodhaven but first had to deal with some unwanted visitors in a really cruel way:D :

I’ll contribute to the CE video spam:

Little solo tower capture I had yesterday, had to deal with two uninvited guests first though in a pretty kittenin’ evil way.. they never knew what was coming.

Expiatus.4210:

Great video. a good amount of things to learn for a new thief like myself.

If you don’t mind me asking, what type of weapons are you using (Carrion, Rabid, Giver, Dire) and what sigils?

My entire build is in literally the first minute of the video lol.

@Above, Shadow Strike nono… I only use that when immobilized and mass AoE on me, it’s just not smooth going in for CnD, sneak attack, Shadow Strike & then having to walk up to your target again.. it’s a good skill but it doesn’t work well 1vX.

New channel, new video.. thank you for watching.

hihey.1075:

Sceinna.3561:

I’m not going to name any names but that D/P thief spamming me with “Headshot” 24/7.. you do realise theres other skills in your already OP and unbalanced build, right?

Cmon how can it be intended some guy can keep you perma locked without doing anything other than pressing 4, extremely frustrating…

There entire fight daze 1s undazed daze and this non stop for like 5 minutes until I’m eventually dead, gg. Such a troll.

Hahahaha!
I usually spam Headshot when I want to troll people who are trying to 1v3, it’s so funny XD

It’s kinda lame tbh lol, theres literally nothing u can do to stop it. I’m surprised he didn’t go perplexity runes with that .. and just keep perma dazing 1 target stack up with confusion, that’d be “amazing”

I actually tried something similar on S/D a while ago

Sithaco.4673:

What trait allocation are you running.

And why on earth are you using Withdraw in a stealth based build? That would suit a S/D evasion build, really, HiS is your best friend for this build.

Also, skale venom and blinding powder seem a bit poor compared to the utility of Signet of Shadows and Shadow Refuge.

Anyway, good gameplay though!

I don’t feel the need to use extra stealth utilities and I’m no fan of Shadow Refuge (shouldn’t stack stealth imo, it’s an easy getaway tool), I’m using Withdraw because together with my Centaur runes (which are dirt cheap) they provide me with Perma Swiftness, which is why I can drop Signet of Shadows.

Skale Venom is amazing and is the reason why my build kills people in the first place, you also want to cover up your bleeds so they are harder to remove.

You need to think out of the box, sure your survivability is a lot higher with all these extra stealth utilities but you trade in a lot of damage for it. I’d pick Blinding Powder over Shadow Refuge anyday.

I’m not going to name any names but that D/P thief spamming me with “Headshot” 24/7.. you do realise theres other skills in your already OP and unbalanced build, right?

Cmon how can it be intended some guy can keep you perma locked without doing anything other than pressing 4, extremely frustrating…

There entire fight daze 1s undazed daze and this non stop for like 5 minutes until I’m eventually dead, gg. Such a troll.

Funny Tower Solo !

New video, haven’t made one in a while due to transfering to different servers, leaving my guild (all my previous videos were on the guild channel) so I had to sort out a new channel of my own:

Non heavy edits except for the intro, people requested that on my last vid.
If you do enjoy this video, please subscribe. <3

New video, haven’t made one in a while due to transfering to different servers, leaving my guild (all my previous videos were on the guild channel) so I had to sort out a new channel of my own:

Non heavy edits except for the intro, people requested that on my last vid.
If you do enjoy this video, please subscribe. <3

New video, haven’t made one in a while due to transfering to different servers, leaving my guild (all my previous videos were on the guild channel) so I had to sort out a new channel of my own:

Non heavy edits except for the intro, people requested that on my last vid.
If you do enjoy this video, please subscribe. <3

I wish my isp didn’t cut me down for the past 3 weeks already. :/

I’m tired of dying continiously due to massive skill lag (on my part)
> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/2997936846 (for lazy bums, 0.9mbps dl speed, 0.09 upload.. aka nearly unplayable with 4 other pcs sharing that internet :P)

I’ve met plenty of good roamers already but I can’t really fight back due to lag on my part. It’ll be resolved 1st of October though. Might take a break from WvW until then.

If anyone up for duels, pm/mail me ingame.. after 1st of october tho as read above^

Anyone with a bad case of ALT+F4 should go to SFR for a week, I’m sure you’ll lose that habbit quickly.

I done it once, didn’t even mean to.. was just a reflex because I got kitten ed at the way I died (can’t remember but I’m pretty sure it was a horrible way to die o.o) and it took me a HOUR to get back into WvW. ;D

So if you got an extra 60G somewhere and want to cure your habbit >>>>

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30 – Practised Tollerance – Side Strike – Hidden Killer
30 – Infusion of Shadow – Shadow’s Embrace – Shadows’s Rejunevation
10 – Fleet Shadow
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Withdraw – Infiltrator’s Signet, Blinding Powder, Shadowstep – Basilisk Venom

This is what I used to run as D/P, berserker gear, knight’s trinkets.. foods are very important with this though, but it’s the best D/P build to go 1vX, imo.

Dee Jay.2460:

I switched between D/D and D/P for a while over the past months. I generally prefer the D/D play-style because I find the D/P Stealth mechanic incredibly contrived and frustrating (god kitten Heartseekers into random pets and minions).

That said, D/P is definitely the superior weapon-set.

Not only does it hard-counter D/D, but it also allows you to go toe-to-toe with Warriors, something D/D can’t. Black Powder is just incredibly potent against melee combatants in almost every situation. Headshot too is quite useful if you’re good at timing it.

Turn auto-targetting off when playing D/P, try not to select a target (click floor) & Heartseeker away.. it shouldn’t be an issue.

Best of all though; don’t play D/P, overpowered as hell but meh.. I wonder when Anet is cutting down the permastealth and perma blind, because D/Ps ruins every good fight I have as X/D and it doesn’t even require any skill, just the push of 5.

Nothing more frustrating than missing your Cloack & Daggers because of some thief that doesn’t know how to play and rather uses some google/youtube build to roam in groups and kitten you up 5v1. =.=

I’ve been questioning every nerf to thief since release..

Anyways, we can have this chit chat ingame.. don’t feel comfortable spamming matchup thread with this thief nonsense.

Fun matchup so far, which RL allowed me to play more.

hihey.1075:

Sceinna.3561:

@Above,

If you build D/P properly you’ll hit as much as D/D whilst maintaining survivability, on top of that you’re perma blinding that poor D/D thief and outstealthing him, it’s never a fair fight. Anything melee pretty much cannot kill D/P.

I mean, the fact you complained about bad D/P thieves probably means they WERE bad but you couldn’t kill them due to perma stealthing & blinding. (atleast that’s my issue with D/P thieves)

Well, it’s not like I can stay in the smoke field for too long, I can still be hit while inside the smoke field by someone who is staying outside the field without being blinded. That’s how I kill D/P thief.

And no, I was not complaining because I couldn’t kill them. I can’t kill 2 D/P thieves, but I sure as hell can kill 1

Do you get enraged if I tell you I don’t even know who you are? XD

Of course not, I don’t care about “fame”.. do you realise how frustrating it is to get the same whispers everyday? ;p

10k views is peanuts on youtube, it doesn’t gain you anything, except your ingame mailbox being spammed and getting asked the same questions everyday, it almost made me quit GW2 not even kidding lol. :P

Zumy theres no denying D/P was less present as it is now (although I don’t see them that often anymore nowadays, still significally more than when I played D/P though). Yishis imo is the “cause” of that, every video he puts out causes hundreds of players to try out his builds lol.

Zumy.6318:

Sorry Laela, this is my own thread :P.
Kodash is my original server and I went back on it to play with Buka like 3-4 months ago.
You played it quite some months more than when it went meta, but I like the fact you dropped it. You are a good thief and X/D suits you better.

Mate, I’m one of the reasons that build went meta lol.. Yishis picked up a variation of my build (credited me for in his video descriptions) and that’s when D/P started to skyrocket.

My D/P videos are at like ~10k views, I get people whispering me everyday how to play and build their build. It’s the sole reason I stopped D/P months ago. Been P/D, D/D and S/D for a long long time now, depending on what I feel like playing. :P

Zumy.6318:

I never thought I’d see the day you complained about D/P. Not after all the time you abused it to max. I will have a beer now.

We haven’t faced eachother for months though. I dropped D/P as soon as it went meta. But yes, I used to roll D/P and I used to absolutely destroy people with it, so I know what I’m talking about. Now shoo back to your own thread. :P

@Above,

If you build D/P properly you’ll hit as much as D/D whilst maintaining survivability, on top of that you’re perma blinding that poor D/D thief and outstealthing him, it’s never a fair fight. Anything melee pretty much cannot kill D/P.

I mean, the fact you complained about bad D/P thieves probably means they WERE bad but you couldn’t kill them due to perma stealthing & blinding. (atleast that’s my issue with D/P thieves)

hihey.1075:

I have to say, Aurora Glade has (overall) the worst thieves I have seen so far. They all are D/P and the only thing they can do is chain 3 HS into a BP, never seen one using Headshot or Shadowshot yet.
But their Mesmers are really, really tough! Props to all the mesmers I’ve fought in AG in these days!

On the other hand, Kodash thieves are not bad at all, got plenty of good fights against them!

I agree, one of them complained I used Cloack and Dagger on a Hawk whilst he ran with Hide in Shadows, Shadow Refuge and Blinding Powder on top of already having Perma Stealth with D/P.

That was the most 30 boring minutes of my life where I had him down to 20% health a million times and he’d run off and come back full health.

I’m not sure if he was being serious or trying to troll me when he suggested he was a better player because D/P is harder to play than P/D (not saying P/D is such a hard build, it really isn’t.. but compareable to D/P? LOL).

D/P is so broken really.. I wish Anet would do something about it, they’ll only die if they want to die. Or bore you to death for 30 minutes, eventually you’ll fall asleep and he gets a free kill out of it. I don’t understand how anyone could think they’re a better player when someones landing CnDs on you whilst you are stealthed with a successrate of 99% and completely destroying your OP kitten lol. Not to mention them keeping you perma blinded too, spamming 1 to get rid of blind isn’t much of an issue tho but it adds to the annoyance of that build.

So much for my thief rant, Anet fix your class.. thief should always be actively fighting to be able to stealth, it’d filter out the baddies and make this class so much more enjoyable, IMO.

D/P is the only broken thief build but also the only real “reliable” one.
The others lack a bit of everything to be any good, you are stuck between the choice of blinding your target when going stealth (almost 100% needed when playing X/D) or condition removal. With no condition removal even the worst of necros will tear you apart.

Nerf D/P and fix every x/d build (starting by removing 5 in SA: Last Refuge Use Blinding Powder when your health reaches 25% (60-second cooldown). Killing you at 25% health)

Thief IMO should be actively fighting to be able to stealth, not gather 10s of stealth to flee the opposite direction after ganking a single upscaled target. So in that aspect, yes thief is broken and I so much wish it would require more skill to play. It hurts my eyes seeing so many bad thief players, but it’s definitely not THE best class ingame by far. Only the most annoying one. While every class is being buffed thief is staying the same, the only good buff we received in the last couple of months is Torment on Shadow Strike (which I rarely ever use, except when I’m rooted and have no stunbreaker left)

Other than the things summed up above thief is really not OP and perhaps you should study the class a bit closer and learn about it’s many weaknesses, especially if they’re not using the only OP build available for thief (D/P).

Oh and I forgot Shadow Refuge, shouldn’t stack stealth imo. It’s already a powerful tool as it is to res people etc. Right now it’s every kitten s perfect mechanic to get away, you got to be fast with pulls to be able to pull them out and not everyone has pulls or knockbacks. But this is just my eternal hatred for Shadow Refuge. :P

If this makes it into the game they should get rid of the Anti-Stealth traps or atleast make our non-stealth skills a bit more useful. Let’s face it, as soon as you go revealed you’re pretty much screwed.. all you can do when you run into an Anti-Stealth trap is spam Heartseeker in the opposite direction because you’ll get destroyed by pretty much any class 1v1 with no stealth.

I’m all for counters, definitely time to nerf D/P imo… but you need to find a right balance. Thief with no stealth is completely harmless, best you can do is spam Heartseeker or Vital Shot.

It’s not Anet’s fault, WvW will never be a fair fight because a lot of times it comes down to numbers, this you simply cannot balance.. it’s the nature of WvW. I personally like the matchup rotation system more, otherwise you’d be stuck in the same matchup for weeks.. but yes, it has its downsides such as facing servers with far superior numbers.

If anyone knows how to fix this problem, feel free to mail Anet about it.. I certainly have no clue how to fix such a problem, except for free transfers (which would result in most people coming to GH tbh, rather than a server with no numbers and WvW structure).. Underworld for example is a “Very High” server and it has far less people in WvW than GH and GH is only medium size, I dunno how correct these population stats are or if they take in account inactive people etc.

There will always be unfair situations, such as getting nightcapped etc.. I stopped caring about points a long time ago and play for my own enjoyment.

Hello Anet,

I love that you added a “LFG” tool, I felt it was very much needed in this game and it’s a great addition to our game, however searching for a specific person in your friendslist is no longer working, is this a bug or intended?

I did use that function a lot since I have many ingame friends who love to use different names, it’s often hard to find the right person, thanks.

Agrios.9071:

DEX wanted to thank for the nice fights this evening. We mostly run with 8-15 people. We are really happy that Gandara also has groups running arround in this size, since our last opponents all thought that 70 is the solution to everything. I dont remember against which guilds we fought but gg to those who we fought against.
Anyways thanks for the fights, looking forward to more!

-KYRENE

^ This

Transfered from Surmia this week and this is my first encounter ever with Gandara. So far haven’t really been blobbed, of course it does happen.. no server with a population can prevent it from happening but all these small scale roaming guilds are just lovely, big respect to all of you.

I am leaving on vacation today so I’m missing the rest of this matchup.. it’s been so much fun, I hope we face you again next week. Can we all stop forum warrioring btw, especially my UW folks? I mean there is literally no reason to kitten about golem rushes, it’s part of this game.. and it’s part of the game losing parts of our borderland. Wouldn’t it be boring if we never lost anything guys?

Have fun in the remainder of the matchup and I hope to see the same matchup next week when I get back. <3

Ragnar.4257:

@lordkrall: That’s utter nonsense. The vast majority of guilds who GvG spend 6 days a week playing WvW “properly”, that is taking, defending and upgrading keeps/towers, and then set aside 1 evening per week for GvG/training/skirmishes/dueling.

If you think GvG guilds do nothing other than GvG, then you simply display your ignorance of the community.

I couldn’t agree any more. About every skilled WvW guild does GvGs.
→ http://www.gw2gvg.com

Simply because it helps you improve the same way a good roamer duels a lot. You learn from your opponents, you learn how to counter certain situations or what or what not to do. GvG should be a part of this game.. I really do hope at some point it’ll be there.. :/

GvGs provide you with the best and most fair fights and yes, most of those guilds are backbones of their server. You’d be naive saying they aren’t, just look at the website, I know about every single one of those guilds.

LOLLAVZZI.3580:

Sceinna.3561:

Big shoutout to CHUU for the amazing and enjoyable small scale fights, you guys are all individually really skilled and a pleasure to fight against. Looking forward to more.

~DEX P/D thief

Hey was really fun those fights, you guys were really tough to kill

Hope to see you guys again throughout the week for some nice fights!

Yah, if it wasn’t for those stupid D/P thieves humping my leg 222 I probably wouldn’t have died, ever. lol

Somethings got to kill you though. That Heartseek spamming thief downed me twice accidently when I was running around stealthed with low health. I usually allow my health to go really low and I’m not afraid to die in a fair fight.. but it sucks when someone is around spamming one button and is able to kill you if he accidently hits with it. =/

That was kinda.. frustrating, hope to meet you guys again without those spamming thieves. I wonder how the game would be like if they made Heartseeker a gap closer/leap rather than dealing huge amounts of damage when you’re low on health lol.

Wolfstrike Nl.1245:

Sceinna.3561:

Big shoutout to CHUU for the amazing and enjoyable small scale fights, you guys are all individually really skilled and a pleasure to fight against. Looking forward to more.

~DEX P/D thief

SCEINNA
Your Dex / Underworld!
Not Riot !

RiOT still in my heart.. plus I haven’t moved my youtube channel yet etc.. kinda sucks that I have to start over on a new channel. :/

Big shoutout to CHUU for the amazing and enjoyable small scale fights, you guys are all individually really skilled and a pleasure to fight against. Looking forward to more.

~DEX P/D thief

Samoleth.5012:

Sceinna.3561:

As for DEX.. we just transfered, we had been fighting 10v30/40/50/60/70

Sorry, but i must inform you that you guys didn’t fight the ultimate tier challenge: 120GH zerg.

That was the first time last evening when we decided to make a run for it.

Genotix.6804:

Sceinna long time no see mate:)
You are at UW now?

Yes. RiOT moved back to SFR, I just like the mid tiers too much.. so I followed DEX to Underworld which is the perfect place to shape a guild I think with all pugs we have.

Surmia didn’t have those pugs.. I think it’s one of the reasons every medium server is bound to die out. Guilds come and go due to low transfer fees, they usually leave with a part of the community (which in the first place is already really small).. as for RiOT & VcY, we tried everything.. can’t really blame us. Been there for 4 months or so?

Pugs are the real issue @ Surmia, theres simply not enough in the pool to recruit from, our guilds ended up recruiting members from eachother. Something Anet has to look into, every medium server is bound to die and it’s happening way too fast atm. WSR & Surmia in a timespan of 2-3 weeks?

Steelo.4597:

thanks for the video DEX We were lacking one thing sorely – swiftness! This must have been one of the biggest zergs ever to hit a borderland.

http://abload.de/image.php?img=gw704h4x6f.jpg

Hahaha yw, mad respect for setting up such an event.. it was pretty cool .. and a bit frightening. I need to turn down my graphics all the way to enjoy Zerg v Zerg so for me it was hard to see you guys were all necros.. and I was really puzzled cuz I thought the cap was like 70 people each on a border.

As for DEX.. we just transfered, we had been fighting 10v30/40/50/60/70 because our guildraids only exist out of 10ppl atm.. and then we met that enormous zerg of necro and pets.

I’m not gonna lie, I kitten my pants a little bit when this occured.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6XJYy_D9f4&feature=youtu.be

That’s the necro zerg.. but hey, we were just 3.

It’s not only VcY. Our nightcrew is leaving us and stopped playing WvW as well. Where we lacked in primetime we had our nightcrew to make up for it. When they left we lost motivation. VcY was fixable, we had good contacts with several good guilds that seemed interested in transfering.. but finding a good new nightcrew is very hard..

Everytime we “fix” something, something else breaks.. it’s like a vicious circle. RiOT is also moving out. WvW became a shore, we don’t care about points.. but we do care about the opponents we’re facing. It’s no longer appealing to fight 50+ blobs with zero skill. No offense, but that is the reality of the lower tiers.. we were happy we made it to mid tiers, just sad it had to end when we got so close to where our goals were set. :/

VcY & Nightcrew leaving is a reset to T8, regardless of RiOT being here or not.. we want to find the joy again we once had in WvW. Thanks for the good months Surmia and I do wish things weren’t going this way, last week was a proud moment for Surmia, we archieved something here.

Going to be fair in this topic, we have lost Velocity one of the pillars in our server. On the bright side, we are leading right now vs r15 & 18 being r20.

Far Shiverpeaks – 185 025
Fort Ranik – 194 083
Ruins of Surmia – 197 102

However, we need reinforcements more than ever.. it’s not about the points here, it’s about having an enjoyable WvW. No queues, no blobbing (from our side atleast ;D), no skill lag (doesn’t occer much). If you are a guild from higher tiers tired of these things, we have been there and done that. RiOT originates from SFR and fled due to queues & skill lag. Our competitive side has never left us however. We are not aiming to bring this server high up in the very same tiers we have fled, but we want to archieve being a stable mid tier server where the best fights are to be found.

Eww AoA at South camp FSP border.. you outnumbered me 1 to 5, I fight straightforward with little stealthing (cloack & dagger my only source of stealth which you can block,stun,dodge,daze,blind,protection, and the list goes on and on and on..)

Yet you had to kitten me over with anti-stealth trap, that is pure evil. I think it was your thief as well who put it down… lol, Gw2 and it’s mechanics. ;D

I also didn’t notice you putting it down.. I thought you were ressing the one dude I killed or something.

Ps. This is a complaint post!! It’s the first freaking group smaller than 10 people I find this week, I was enjoyin the fight up until that anti stealth trap and 222 kitten by your thief. ;p

I had no idea that is how it worked… it still is cheating however and you might want to edit your post Song. =/

r15 Far Shiverpeaks – 77 391
r18 Fort Ranik – 80 154
r20 Ruins of Surmi – 75 559

We are able to somewhat keep up but the situation is still similar as to it was in the initial post. We could really do with one extra guild atleast. <3

Why consider us? We are the smallest competitive server with a good structure but we lack dedication, guilds, pugs.. you’re not expected to carry the server, we have two amazing guilds doing this… but your presence will help a lot if you can cover our backs just a little.

All information needed can be found in the posts above or the main post.

Qla.1347:

Hi, I was leading Kalevala today at FSP. Got bored of fighting the RiOT semiblob with 20~ , give or take 3, guildies alone. (Because clearly there was nothing we could’ve done vs. it) so I hit the blue shiny tag up at the end to just rage thru hills before doors upgrade.

What comes to the comments about zoomhacking. I was personally manning each and every counter siege built. You might wanna check “Radius upgrade” for ACs. Any further ‘zoomhacking’ q.q you can discuss with me in the field.

Against VcY I commanded in EB last night before they left it completely. Sorry for overpowering with numbers but it’s WvWvW after all.

Good guilds, good fights RoS. Give Xerion back. All my rage.

Hypocrit much?

From what I’ve heard, we did outnumber you 1/2 but like you said, it’s the nature of WvW and luckily we don’t always pull those numbers, I prefer it small scaled (20-25~).. I wasn’t there yesterday so I have no idea what went on at FSP BL.

About AC hacks.. we’ve seen it so much lately people jump to conclusions quickly (paranoid ;p).. but it is a huge problem Anet needs to deal with really.

FSP outmanned in EB? ;p I’ve been steamrolled multiple times by a 70~ man blob, this was during the day though, 2-3PM GMT.

Pugs mainly, don’t want to be starting the blob discussion. Been a very fun matchup so far, really enjoying it a lot.

Kaleygh.1524:

Had lots of good fights against RoS so far, really surprised (in a pleasant way).
As for FR so far i have only seen blobs and emote spam. Hope you guys can do better than that.

I don’t wanna .. err spoil it.. and RiOT will kick my kitten for saying this, but it won’t get any better than that ^.^

Haha AoA yeah.. looking forward to punk & fsv, heard they are really good.. been fighting blobs for weeks, lootbags are fun and all.. but we do prefer something organised and skilled.. and this will probably be our first encounter with that since Gunnar’s Hold FURY and a few other guilds I forgot.. all our past matchups were a bit of meh… I was so happy when I saw this matchup.

Pretty much what I tried to say, we are able to assemble our guilds for reset but during the week we rarely raid together. We only have two big guilds that can raid daily, RiOT & VcY. Also recently got WAR from WSR but they might still be dealing with transfers and such.

@Izzyzz

Yeah, you did.. but when it’s just one force defending and doing the scoutwork.. you guys did a huge amount of damage to our keeps while AoE kept us busy with 40-50.. they did the same you did to our keeps, hell.. at Bay south they placed catapults at every wall lollllllll. Bay was bound to fall at some point, we had left it in hands of the pug commander when it fell.. because it was too much for us to run across the entire map, which we had been doing for HOURS..

Haven’t even mentioned the french, they also had around 40+.. but no real guilds, it’s always a mass of pugs that die so easily lol.