Guild Wars 2

This is like 99% a build I would run, very similar to the build I ran before quitting the game.

The only thing I’d swap around, with heartache to be honest, is Pulmonary Impact ( Impacting Disruption).

I found it very unreliable as it pulled me out of stealth countless of times when I didnt want it. I know it’s a chunk of damage you lose, but I’d personally swap it for Escapist’s Absolution (removing 1 condition per dodge).

I might also use Withdraw over Channeled Vigor, all that extra ini seems a bit of overkill, I the mobility Withdraw adds, too bad they increased the cooldown back then.. hardly any thief ran Withdraw, yet they found it had to be nerfed for some reason.

The problem is that I don’t see how CnD is ever going to be a viable option again with all the passives flying around like never before. Unless it’s a 1v1 there is no place for CnD anywhere (and even then you need to outskill your opponent by a margin imo) .

Think of it as > when CnD ends, you get revealed for 2s, it’s already a gap in which you can counter back, you can also dodge the CnD, seriously, it’s one of the easiest skills to dodge.

You see people being punished by CnD, where as D/P gets free stealth that is almost unstopable with the dodge kitten. (which I don’t want to see nerfed, I just want other weaponsets buffed, Thief deserves it, sure in sPvP thief has a place. From an Esports perspective, things are fine as it is. D/P isn’t abused there and works great. I enjoyed watching some of the top tier players there.)

Bit of an old thread to respond to, but I used to be a pretty well respected Thief on the servers I played on, I gathered a bit of fame on Youtube too and was just getting into the GW2 GvG scene, but due to real life events I couldn’t play until they released HoT. After seeing what it had done to dagger offhand Thief, I basically quit the game.

I was -okay- rolling D/P in GvG’s because the meta build at the time just beat everything else, I ran a few GvGs with dagger offhand but not being able to sit in stealth for 50% of the time was deadly as opponent Thieves could easily pick me out, blablabla… to the point >

Making our only viable option (in wvw) to be D/P made me quit this game, I am the type of person that always hated meta builds and tried to do something unique, building my own build and somehow making it work, I feel they stripped thief from every bit uniqueness they could have, sure you have the occassional staff thief that performs well, but it’s also a build I don’t enjoy playing.

What I wanted to see happen to CND is NOT it being unblockable, I only wanted it to ignore boons, such as blind, aegis and so forth, that way people can still dodge it in a skilled manner, it would make dagger offhand 100% viable again, and totally NOT overpowered. Missing twice would still be fatal. What screwed me over a lot were the excessive amounts of blinds & aegis going around, 95% of them auto triggered by some stupid trait, if you watch my D/D video you can see how I had to spam #1 to cleans all boons and conditions, before landing CnD, which made me slow and predictable.

@D/D starts at 3minutes in, the reason I’m able to troll or take on a lot of opponents at a time, one time like a 1v7, simply because they were horrible, not with the build d/d being op at the time. This is prior HoT. I never felt Thief was OP, just annoying because people would reset fights.

vedranbosna.2147:

Lets be honest, this 1sec cd on backstab just killed d/d power thief, and nerfed the whole class in general(with the exception of staff thiefs). This change is just stupid, since thief is such a weak class in pvp already. Any1 who says this change is ok, deserved, stop playing your no skill condi/bunker mesmer/warrior/necro/guard and try to play d/d power thief, s/d or d/p thief(dont use staff as secondary weapon) and try to 1v1 any1, any of the popular condi builds, or bunker/ burst guards and then tell me that thief is strong and that he needs a nerf. The one thing thief was suposed to be good at(high, quick burst), he isnt rly doing good and gets outshined by other classes. I rly hope a thief buff is coming soon.
P.S. if some1 from anet is reading this tell your balance team that they are drunk, also they should lay off the heavy drugs(look at all the condi in pvp, its terrible!!!)

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Every so often I come back to check the forum, even though I quit this game 3 years ago, despite a very brief “comeback” of about a week not that long ago. Thief is in a horrible spot, very, very unsatisfying to play and I wish I could refund the 100euros I spent on the delux edition of HoT.

Anyway, upper post sums it up quite ok, don’t have much to add to it. Fix your kitten Anet or lose even more players. There’s a reason this topic has been seen 7000 times.

I should add though, that I don’t mean to bash on D/P~ I just hate how this is the only viable weaponset our class has when I really enjoy the dagger offhand, closing in on an enemy and gaining stealth in a skillful way. SHOULD BE REWARDED, not punished.

That’s just, my view.

I can’t but agree a 100% with Jana.

I came back to this game about two weeks ago, after a near 3 years break, just to find that anything x/d is complete and utter kitten now, in no way viable, infact, most people just laugh at you for running it. It makes me tear up to watch d/p getting free and cheesy stealths using dodges, when that build was already silly 2 years ago.. now they made it even more cheesecake to run, while other sets have been nerfed into the ground.

I seriously regret buying HoT, no worse, I wasted 100 euros on the ultimate edition. I was misleaded by friends.

Even if you make it so dagger offhand cannot be blocked or is unaffected by conditions, EVEN then it would still be underpowered compared to all kitten out there, there’s literally builds that kill you with their passives, that’s just insane LoL.

Ran into a druid the other day, first encounter with them, my first thought “what.. the kitten this guy is a tank, walk awaaaaay.”

Of course, speaking from a WvW perspective.

~Laela Blackbird

Haha yes I noticed this too. Used to use Disabling Shot within Refuge no problem(avoiding cc, push back etc) but now it leaps you right out.

The animation feels very broken.

Nvm, my math skills aren’t very sharp today, what is happening is 33% daze duration, from a 1s base, is 1.3s.. gw2 only scales to 1.5, so 1s stays 1s, even though it’s supposed to be 1.3s, so basically, the rune is useless.

I don’t know if this is a known bug but the #6 bonus on this rune doesn’t scale with
“Sleight of Hand” nor does it scale with “Tactical Strike”, so the rune is pointless to have.. I kinda liked the thought of prolonging Daze.. but it doesn’t scale at all.

Is this rune broken with any class or just Thief?

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I know this topic will get removed but do you people really think we have an entire server hacking or that we are in any way satisfied with a hacker opening gates of keeps & towers? It’s pugs occasionally abusing it, we try to avoid taking advantage of this, it’s not easy you know.

The guy is invisible to us as well, as seen on some screenshots “damaged by unknown”, we have no idea who or what he is. It’s so sad that one pathetic kid is ruining FSP server reputation, really is… but in the end, stop blaming FSP as a whole. This is not our responsibility. Anet has to jump in, not us.. we can’t do anything, we don’t have the tools for it.

oZii.2864:

Amonatory.2453:

oZii.2864:

Alot of wasted dodge rolls because it looks cool flip dodging. I know there is a slight distant advantage to jump dodging it’s even stated on the wiki (I think some people do it cause it looks cool). Still hate seeing wasted dodges like that usually after every CnD you would jump dodge even if there was no threat especially in your condi footage.

Other than that good video.

I do dodges just like that too, I call it a safety dodge haha.

That’s cause you double tap.

I also dodge as gap closer & covering up CnD (if you time it well, the animation gets screwed, harder for people to dodge it, same reason I use whirl to CnD lol.. you block out the CnD animation & break aegis & blinds)

oZii.2864:

Alot of wasted dodge rolls because it looks cool flip dodging. I know there is a slight distant advantage to jump dodging it’s even stated on the wiki (I think some people do it cause it looks cool). Still hate seeing wasted dodges like that usually after every CnD you would jump dodge even if there was no threat especially in your condi footage.

Other than that good video.

Hey, kinda what Karolis said~

For me it’s more like, I’m visible a split second, I’ll dodge any damage I’ll be receiving. I always try to make sure I got atleast one extra dodge or a breaker for Hammerstuns etc tho.

“Wasting” my dodges in these fights saves me a lot of health, it’s all situational ofc.. ;p like I said, if there’s hammerstun warriors around, I wouldn’t be spamming dodges like that. ;p

It’s hard to shine as D/D in outnumbered fights since all people do is spam 1 all around them. I try to run as tanky as I can while maintaining my dps but you can see how tight it is, you have to put pressure really hard and you’re running at less than half health for most of the fight. ;p

I wish dagger off hand would get some more love, it’s sad to see D/D vanish from WvW scene and condi or d/p builds take over but this has been going on for months ofc.

If Anet would only start with fixing SA5, last refuge.. that’d be a huge change for D/D. (or give us the option to blank out traits.. because I wouldn’t miss that minor one a second ;p)

Thanks all. <3

I don’t want to turn this into a p/d discussion but I don’t really understand why you’re saying it’s so easymode. I still have to go in for CnDs (infact it’s harder to cleanse blinds/aegis with it than dagger main hand ;p). The only thing that benefits me is I can run a lot tankier (dire), have seamlessly endly dodges and I can create a gap (thus take less damage) between me and my opponents.

But there are so many cheesy builds in WvW nowadays, you almost have to run something cheesy yourself to keep up with it.

I’m a real “winner”, trust me that I was kittened after losing those outnumbered fights, I often go head on 1v10 and I’ll end up being kittened dying, it’s dumb.. but hey. :P My point is though, almost everyone is running some sort of cheesy build right now in WvW, don’t see why I couldn’t run p/d then.. because I will still run P/D as well as D/D. :P

Hey, was aware of this. It should be fixed now. Thanks for pointing out.

Thank you so much all of you, means a lot to me.

I can take critism but I’m always afraid of responses when I put out a video, thinking people will not like it.. it’s been overwhelming. I’m thinking I might do more videos again and not just 1 every 2 months or so. ;p

Karril Daltaya.4980:

Mind sharing what build(s) you use? I am curious, I have a thief and I am looking to get better at roaming so I have been looking at various ways I could improve my own gameplay.

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vYAQNAoYVl0MpyplPx0J0PNRs9on+kocPSqTbaXBsC-z0CB4LCiEEQEFAUBgpqZN9ZIilhFRjVbDTZKpqYCyuDJNAACA7cn7MkCYglRA-w

Change Traveler runes to Centaur runes though, made this template pre patch. Centaur runes are way better for D/D (if you run Withdraw), if you run HiS, go with Strength.

Also replace “Sigil of Force” to Fire, sorta fixes the damage loss from last patch since the sigils proc way better now.

Thank you for the kind words. <3

Thank you for your kindness.

I had a guy (and if you happen to read this, you’re awesome) pm me he’d pay me 50g a hour to become better at thief. I’m still overwhelmed lol. xD (I’m an OK player, but there’s definitely more talented guys out there to ask)

Had some great responses from people, this is what I do it for, money I can’t make from the videos since I use copyrighted music but the kindness of people is awesome. <3

xD @ you both

Kylla I miss you man!

For those who know me. It’s been a long time since I put out a new video (roughly two months), I apologize for that but I don’t think it’ll get “better” in the future, I always try to make my videos better and better but I hit a ceiling editing-wise. This is as far as my capabilities go tbh. ;p The intro took me hours to make, a good editer could probably do this in a matter of minutes.

As for the video, I deliberately picked actions where I fight 1v5+ and end up dying as I feel those reflect like 90% of the fights I have in WvW. I could have easily put in a bunch of 1v3’s against upscales or people that obviously have no clue what they’re doing but this isn’t realistic to what WvW looks like from my perspective.

I have 3 harddrives filled with footage, possibly better stuff than what I have in the video.. but it’s time to wipe my harddrives clean so I can start with fresh footage. Not everything fits in one video sadly, it’s hours of gameplay so I didn’t browse throught all of it. :/ Either way I’m satisfied with the result and I hope you’ll be aswell.

Enjoy, feedback is always welcomed!

Just had this one now, kinda kittened me off to be fair because it couldn’t be farther from the truth.

“Nice cloack and dagger and sneak attacking, very skillful. Atleast we use all our skills.”

It was 4v1, a ganksquad obviously sitting on teamspeak and I lost, but I gave them a fight as they jumped me and it seemed to have upset them to the point they spammed /laugh on my corpse, nothing new though. I go throught this everyday in WvW.

People think Thief is in the same position it was in during launch, sure, still excells at ganking (some) people, but people should stop complaining already. If I win, I probably deserved to win, imo.

Interesting build. Not something I didn’t think of, just didn’t think it’d work out. Nice to see you getting such good results, you should put up a video of you playing this so people have better understandment of what you’re doing.

I ran with this food for months, back when it was 2-4s.. it suddenly exploded up to 40s though =.=

It definitely helps, I compared it to Butternut (prior patch) and was landing 8.6k backstabs instead of 8K (on moa’s WH lol).

It depends on the power you run with but it’s better than any other power/ferocity food, there is a reason it went 40s.

There are guilds roaming with this now.

hihey.1075:

I tried for the first time in my life a PD build with Balthazar Runes+Withdraw, and the confusion on steal.
I wreck even Condi Necros. I think it’s the best and most OP/cheese build ever. PU mesmers, engis, Warriors, they can’t do anything, really. And backstab thieves don’t do enough damage to kill me.
kittened. I’ll never roam anymore in WvW, I’ll only pvp from now on. Shame.

Hahaha of course. By the sound of it you turned your p/d into a one trick pony. Balthazar rune is too hard to land on good players with Withdraw as it lands at the end of your heal, the aoe circle is so freaking small too, it wasn’t even worth running..

I mean I agree p/d is sort of cheesy to play but this coming from someone who’s been abusing D/P is a joke to me man.

The damage output from p/d is way too low unless you put REALLY good pressure, as in Sneak attack > cnd, Sneak attack.. without any gaps in between, which means you cannot reset & heal. You don’t have enough conditions to cover up your main source of damage, which will always be bleeds.

Try to fight p/d in a 1vX with guardians and eles involved, you wouldn’t last a minute with the build you just described lol.

On a sidenote: d/d still wrecks people, tbh. Atleast I am.

Duke I would love to see you play sometimes, you sound like a clicker.. or a troll, can’t decide which.

RedSpectrum.1975:

Sceinna.3561:

Amonatory.2453:

Johje Holan.4607:

Aww you thieves can’t gank people and 2 shot eles as easily anymore in WvW. Boo hoo hoo.

(I actually made a thief recently and the only class that I hate fighting is still thieves. Comon’ brothers, lets not beat up on each other that way.)

kitten much? Anyways, I’m actually scared to play my thief tbh, this nerf I can just tell is going to ruin everything. I will test some things before I quit my thief though.

+1

I already felt like my D/D didn’t have the punch it needed (prior patch), now it’s completely destroyed lol. 5.5k backstabs (with foods & 10+ might stacks) is kinda sad.

Currently playing P/D again, which is a shame.. I’m a monster with P/D but I’ve played it for so long I’m literally bored of playing it.

Tell me about it, I did that much on average post patch without food or might or bloodlust, Im too scared to try it now. We will see a sharp rise in PD and SD, even SP now

To be fair, I played raid with D/D yesterday and it was still reasonable. Sigil of Air & Fire proc far more than they did before and they sorta make up for the damage loss. So I run Air & Fire on both daggers, kinda helps with damage.

I run a build that stacks up might, up to 10-15 stacks solo.. add some might I gain from other players and my 8k backstabs are back. Still very viable in groups, solo it’s a kitten though.

Amonatory.2453:

Johje Holan.4607:

Aww you thieves can’t gank people and 2 shot eles as easily anymore in WvW. Boo hoo hoo.

(I actually made a thief recently and the only class that I hate fighting is still thieves. Comon’ brothers, lets not beat up on each other that way.)

kitten much? Anyways, I’m actually scared to play my thief tbh, this nerf I can just tell is going to ruin everything. I will test some things before I quit my thief though.

+1

I already felt like my D/D didn’t have the punch it needed (prior patch), now it’s completely destroyed lol. 5.5k backstabs (with foods & 10+ might stacks) is kinda sad.

Currently playing P/D again, which is a shame.. I’m a monster with P/D but I’ve played it for so long I’m literally bored of playing it.

It depends on the weaponset you play with. Smart use of your dodges.. don’t let them stun you. Most important of all, don’t chase the warrior.. atleast don’t use your stunbreakers doing so.

GS Warrior will only die if he allows it tbh, the mobility is too much to keep up with. I won my share of duels vs good warriors. But it all depends on what you play of course.

Definitely needs a nerf, I’m fine with the stealth and all, it’s just the blinding that is super annoying and far too much.

I’ve screamed “nerf!” for a long time but I sometimes run across D/P Thieves not entirely abusing the crap out of it (mainly in sPvP that is~.. in WvW I’ve never seen a decent D/P thief to be fair, only trolls that reset and come back 10 times in a row)

Sadly enough I have to agree with all above. Even the -50% damage on applied stealth isn’t any good because you’d replace Shadow’s Rejunevation, try to do anything useful without that. Unless you focus around group play (which this trait is awesome for, -50% damage is a big deal if you can have healing from other sources than yourself).

For me personally, as D/D, the Ferocity nerf didn’t hit -as- hard because I now run with Sigil of Air & Fire on both my daggers, they proc way more thus you do more damage too.. but this ain’t a buff, every class has access to these sigils.

And yeah.. the annoying aspects of thieves remain, thus the qq will remain.. and the bugs remain, so our qq will remain too.. I wouldve been so happy if suicide triat would finally be gone (or atleast an option to blank it out, so it doesn’t even do anything lol)

You need to add more information if you want this issue to be resolved. Would need to know what OS you run with (32/64 bit). Which driver you’re using..

The most simple solution would be.. don’t run GW2 in Crossfire as it won’t really help out with FPS. The game doesn’t need a fancy GPU, you can play with a beast of a CPU and a budget GPU and it’ll perform just fine. Crossfire is overkill (goes for many games).

It’s been working for a few hours now.. but it probably isn’t fixed, it’s a problem that comes and goes, so weird. :/

Confirmed working. It’s an issue that comes and goes.. but when it happens, we can’t login for a few hours.. when we swap maps/instances, we DC.

I hope it’s an issue that can be resolved, my ISP already said they cannot do anything about this, which essentially means they wont help us lol.

If it’s not on Anet’s end either.. we may be screwed -_-"

Reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfvNfeda0Qw

xDDDD

This kitten returned again -______- I was in the middle of something………

Confirmed. Seems to work again now.

I don’t even get that far in, I’m loading Gendarran Fields and lagging out.. :/

Whatever is wrong started at around 2AM last night (GMT+1), I came home from a party and wanted to quickly hop on GW2 and then suddenly my game crashed and I couldn’t get past the character screen anymore (code=5:11:3:159:101).

Ever since I haven’t been able to get in the game anymore, occasionally I can get to the character select screen but that’s it… GW2 site is down too for me.

Because it’s Sunday and it’s 6-7AM in NA, don’t expect a response anytime soon.. :/

I can’t connect to site or game at all, neither can my friends.. seems like everyone in Belgium is affected lol.

^ Same here as all above, kinda odd only Belgium is affected by this. xD

Belgium, same thing here.

“Telenet” anyone?

I’m having the same problem. I can login to character select but I can’t get any further into the game, exact same error as OP. I can’t even connect to the main site “http://www.guildwars2.com”

Anyone arguing in this thread obviously never played GW1. PvP in GW2 is a disaster, a massive disappointment to all those who played GW1 competitively.

GW1= eSport
GW2= Casual

Casual = Money

end of story.

I do miss HA, GvG and even AB which felt a little like WvW does.. even had more organisation and skill in it.

azizul.8469:

Sceinna.3561:

I transfered 4th of April (maybe 5th, could be that I transfered at like 1am fifth of April), not sure when the restrictions were going to happen.. but you can see I played for 4 days without an issues and now I’m restricted from WvW.

please read the whole thread, and you’ll find answer as to why you’re restricted now.

I know why I’m restricted, I’ve read the post by Anet, please go up a few posts and read as to why this is unfair to my situation and some others. I’ve read every post in this thread.

This is a bad “fix”, if I knew I was going to be restricted from WvW I wouldn’t have transfered and paid gems to do so. The server I went to is even ranked lower than the server I was part of lol.

No serious WvW guild or player cares about the tournament, all we care for are good fights, which with tournaments in place, we are hardly getting.

I transfered 4th of April (maybe 5th, could be that I transfered at like 1am fifth of April), not sure when the restrictions were going to happen.. but you can see I played for 4 days without an issues and now I’m restricted from WvW.

Then they need to come up with a system that works and not punishes people that don’t have bandwagoning intentions. Hell, these are the people that buy gems and support your game and you punish them?

Why not lock down transfering during the seasons instead? Right, because it doesn’t make you money.

Jaha.2840:

The current WvW lockout may or may not make one group of people happy and definitely angers another group of people.

I understand that people are upset about the capitalization on season rewards, but you all have to understand that people transfer for many reasons, not just “winning the WvW season”. Example: A fairly new guild of players are hopping servers to look for strong WvW and GvG competition during their prime time. Try to imagine you’re one of the people that only plays Gw2 for WvW, and then imagine being locked out for 2 whole weeks after transferring. That’s a pretty long time to be kept away from enjoying the game. It’s comparable to being banned, and in truth, I actually feel like I’ve been banned. I feel like I’m being treated like I’ve done something wrong.

Why not try something more reasonable for both sides of the argument like double the gem requirement for transfers during the weeks of the WvW season, lockout consecutive transfers for 2+ weeks, or anything that doesn’t take away from the actual in-game experience.

In conclusion, I honestly cannot believe someone approved this lockout idea. It openly encourages certain people to stop playing GW2 for 2 weeks and inquire into its competitors. I am hopeful that someone with authority over there rethinks the consequences of implementing a poor feature such as this both now and in the future.

I agree a 1000%, I came from Gunnar’s Hold and transfered to FSP. Reason for my transfer is that I was kicked from my guild “due to inactivity” and joined up a guild in FSP with ex members from a previous guild.

In no way I transfered for the seasons or to benefit from them, frankly I don’t even care about the WvW seasons.

I only log on GW2 to play WvW and it feels like getting banned, yes. For two weeks. I was able to play just fine the first 3 days on FSP and now suddenly I’m blocked out for the remainder of the matchup & next week’s matchup?

It’s a very odd decision, the least you could do is have me stuck on my original world for wvw for two weeks, so I could still enjoy the game, now I literally can’t do anything.. and that after supporting the game? I bought €30 for gems to support my transfer…. (don’t come with EoTM which is basically Skyhammer for WvW, no no no)

I can’t even believe some people back this up, even if it was communicated to be this way, this is wrong. It makes me wonder if I should waste more money on this game or not.

Stealth is something you’ll never “get right” in mmorpgs because everyones opinions differ greatly. Some people are just better players than others etc etc..

Oh to OP, if the thief was cloacking ON you, you couldve dodged/blinded/applied aegis onto yourserver.. if this happened 1v6, you should’ve applaud that thief and not jump onto the forums and create a topic about it.

Cloack and Dagger is actually hard to land with blinds, aegis and dodges. I do agree Stealth is broken however, I’ve said it a million times myself. Stealth duration shouldn’t go over 4s (3s +1 from trait), no more combat resetting.. no more perma stealthing of any sort etc.

PU mesmer stealths more than your average D/P thief btw.

Bhawb.7408:

Its your own fault for not paying attention. The reality is that yes, when you are playing an online constantly changing game with specific rules that you have accepted in order to even log in, it is your job to keep track of the rules. ANet made the information pretty readily available,you just decided not to take advantage of that.

Notice how its all on you? Before paying 100g, next time look in to what you’re doing.

Oh man stop this fanboying bullcrap really. There should have been a warning ingame before you press “transfer”. If you were in the same situation you would be kittened too. Sorry I don’t always read patchnotes or follow dev streams, I don’t have the time to do so.

I paid 30e to transfer and I’m not able to play, since WvW is the only thing I enjoy playing. There is probably a good reason for it but I don’t agree that it just happens like that, after 4 days of being able to play just fine.

I paid real life money too to transfer to a new server. I was able to play fine for 4 days and now I cannot join up in WvW? I don’t always read patchnotes, I wasn’t aware of this nor did I bandwagon to a better server. I transfered because I grew bored of my old server (as I do a lot, I’m a server kitten lol.. )..

But cmon, I only play WvW and now I’m blocked for two weeks? Unacceptable. Transfer to a new server almost costs as much as the actual game does and I’m not able to play? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm….