Guild Wars 2

Lol.. same happened to me. I transfered a couple of days ago, played WvW no problem.. and now I can’t join up? What the …

I only play WvW, this means I cannot play for two weeks or what? I paid 1400 gems, real life money, to be “banned” from WvW for two weeks? I don’t agree.

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Post Processing off disables this.

Hmm, I think it’s funny.. but an option to turn it off wouldn’t have been misplaced. I’m working on a videoproject and I had to do some ingame recording today, now I can’t. :P

It’s funny but bad timing for me personally.

Colly.4073:

Wait for ESO and move to that or some other game because Anet will NEVER fix these hacking and exploit issues.

They don’t care and we are not allowed to talk about it.

What makes you think these other games don’t have their issues?

Hey, I’m the first one to complain about decisions made by Anet, because clearly they’ve gone the casual path and non of the promised eSport in GW2 will ever be present. I literally hate them for it.. but as far as customer support they are the best company I’ve dealt with, almost every issue I’ve had has been resolved in a matter of days or even hours. Most bugs or cheaters I’ve reported have been fixed or banned.. I do say most because some are still present..

Either way, they have a community of hundred thousands of people, of course some voices will go unheard. Instead of complaining on here, try making a ticket and report stuff.

I hate what GW2 has become, in terms of PvP, zerging and just overall casual gameplay (lack of build customization, skills auto popping under certain circumstances, all benefits you get from blobbing.. ) but I still think this is one of the best mmorpgs out there so I’ll have to deal with the things that bother me. I’ve quit and come back many times.

Finally a patch that has me excited again! I hope it’ll meet my expectations, really do. Looking forward to 15th April.

Now just a proper GvG system (the one with guildhalls and a ladder, you know..)

Vol.7601:

GW1 is an entirely different game. Game GW1 players do not ‘deserve’ rewards in GW2. It’s nice that they provided a link, but that’s because Anet chooses to.

If Anet released a Torment weapons in their gem shop in GW1, hey, I can understand.

But GW2 is an entirely different game and you shouldn’t be holding it as a leash to GW1.

You are right. GW2 is like a bad sequel to GW1.
I already said a million times, Anet choose to go casual for a bigger audience and more money (who doesn’t in this industry tho), but they let down their fans. I adored GW1, every little bit about it. You weren’t bound to skills depending on your weaponset, while some people may think thats cool and more freedom than you get in other mmos, if you did play GW1.. you had HUNDREDS of skills which you have to pick 8 from. Imagine how many builds you could come up with? You had traits similar to how they are in GW2. This led to really interesting fights in PvP.

Making a GvG build meant you had to think hard, not only should you do damage, you should also be able to counter certain meta builds (and the meta builds changed a lot, due to balances). PvP in GW1 was a million times better, in GW2 it’s rather disappointing (for me atleast.. and anyone that played GW1 more than once)

I miss dem days

edit: Don’t get me wrong, Guild Wars 2 is a beautiful game, enjoyable too.. but its casual. GW1 wasn’t.

Human, I feel more connected to a human character lol. I’ve always regret not picking Asuran for my thief though. If you’re any good with CnD, you’re basically a god.. (+ animations are much harder to read because you’re so small, same goes for you though)

Moar moar D/P hype! So it finally gets the nerf it needs. Seriously, Thief is an awesome class.. but stealthing should only be possible while actively fighting, not out of thin air.. and I’m not even talking about the mass op blindness. Thief would be a much better class and less hated on if it actually required any skill (not saying other classes do.. lol, GW2 is pretty casual)

I don’t only blame D/P though, the most annoying aspect for me is Shadow Refuge, aka reset fight with 90% chance of succeeding. 13s of stealth is just.. meh. Yeah, it’s an awesome skill in small scale fights or in PvE when ressing someone.. but the stealth stacking on it is just bullkitten. imo

Hi Kylla

Oh ps: any D/P lovers, please don’t respond with the “d/p requires most skill because of initiative management”, you are wrong, you are lame and you are bad in PvP/WvW, which is why you play full cheese. Just don’t respond, I’m done answering those responses.

I agree with OP & all posts in this topic. Do nerf stealth stomp and Shadowstep stomp. Thieves occasionally downing you is fine but getting a kill and potentially a lootbag for it? Hell no.

It doesn’t matter that they die right after they stomp you because they wasted their stunbreaker/escape, they should never be able to get a kill regardless.

On a more serious note, I kill about 10% of the targets I down.. take away Shadowstep stomp/Stealth stomp and I won’t be killing anything at all. All other classes have the same or even better access to “secure stomping”, stability, invuln…

Thieves are cheesy, all of them, every single build. Some are lame and seem “OP” because they reset fights much like warriors do with sprinting away like Usain Bolt. Yes, that should be fixed.. combat resetting is a huuuuuge problem imo.

I would love to see Thieves only being able to stealth while actively staying in combat (nerf to Shadow Refuge would already fix this, there is no need for it to cover your kitten for 5s and additionally granting you like 13s of stealth..), the QQ would be less frequent if that happened. Refuge is already cool as it is being cloaked in the field itself. Perfect tool for ressing allies. Sadly enough also the perfect tool to reset a fight completely.

@ Dee Jay, probably one of the first times I agree with you on a thief topic o.o lol

nirvana.8245:

Sceinna.3561:

Me and GW2 (WvW) is like a love-hate relationship.. I’ve already quit a couple of times because the whole “mass-epic-scale” is not my cup of tea. I like organised fights (not sPvP where crowd control matters more than actually wiping a group of players).

I know WvW was intended to be blobby fights.. but
1) Up until today, the engine can still not handle this
2) I personally don’t see how spamming 1 and running is a blob is skillful, all you need is the appropriate gear, build.. and you basically spam most of your skills. It’s nothing like GW1 PvP was like, the game I still praise upon this very day.. I guess it wasn’t casual enough. Casual means a bigger playerbase, naturally means more cash.. and I’m kinda sad GW2 choose that path, pvp-wise. PvE wise this game is the best game I’ve played by far. PvP it is a tragedy.
3) WvW still plays like PvE, it is SO forgiving if you run with higher numbers than your opponents, mass rally, quick ressing (cmon now, two guys can pick you up in like a second)

WvW today, no one cares about points anymore, good guilds only care about wiping blobs and having “good” fights, that is a sad evolution but it happens because your work is being wiped regardless. If servers were more balanced, it would be about the points again, you’d fight with even equipment..

All of this is my own opinion, btw.

I agree, but with one exception. You see, there alot of guilds that claim they only care about fights. The truth is they are mediocre guilds who play in their own optimal conditions. The driving force behind not fighting in your optimal conditions is PPT. You get strategically placed in a situation where you have to fight if you want that PPT. The truly good guilds in this game are both in it for the fights and the PPT.

I’m on Gunnar’s Hold right now (altho I often change servers to keep things interesting).. we often find ourselves solo at home border “defending”, 20 vs two blobs of 60+

That is WvW in a nutshell, everyday. GH obviously has blobs too but my point is, I rarely see anything skillful happen in WvW, I see less and less WvW guilds roaming about, it seems to be about gathering in a massive blob and play PvD because no one is defending anyways.

I actually think people farm WvW again due to the dragonite ore change lol, I was surprised myself when I got 20 ores from lord. -_-

You can farm WvW in non peak hours and get stacked with this, way faster than you would in PvE.

Me and GW2 (WvW) is like a love-hate relationship.. I’ve already quit a couple of times because the whole “mass-epic-scale” is not my cup of tea. I like organised fights (not sPvP where crowd control matters more than actually wiping a group of players).

I know WvW was intended to be blobby fights.. but
1) Up until today, the engine can still not handle this
2) I personally don’t see how spamming 1 and running is a blob is skillful, all you need is the appropriate gear, build.. and you basically spam most of your skills. It’s nothing like GW1 PvP was like, the game I still praise upon this very day.. I guess it wasn’t casual enough. Casual means a bigger playerbase, naturally means more cash.. and I’m kinda sad GW2 choose that path, pvp-wise. PvE wise this game is the best game I’ve played by far. PvP it is a tragedy.
3) WvW still plays like PvE, it is SO forgiving if you run with higher numbers than your opponents, mass rally, quick ressing (cmon now, two guys can pick you up in like a second)

WvW today, no one cares about points anymore, good guilds only care about wiping blobs and having “good” fights, that is a sad evolution but it happens because your work is being wiped regardless. If servers were more balanced, it would be about the points again, you’d fight with even equipment..

All of this is my own opinion, btw.

Galsia.4102:

From your 34sec perma-stealth example video I could tell what build and trait allocations you were using; you have absolutely awful survivability and damage output.

30pts into SA to get Shadow Rejuvenation, else really there’s no point in staying in stealth. Adept and Master slots are Infusion of Shadow and Patience respectively in order to upkeep initiative regen. That means no Shadow’s Embrace, so you have awful condi-removal; Shadow Step isn’t reliable on a 50sec CD. You could run Lyssa runes to give you a little bit more condi-removal, but I can see you’re running Centaur Runes because you gained Swiftness on Withdraw.

Speaking of Withdraw, you also gained Vigor and initiative on use, so that fills in the rest of the points with 10pts in Acro and 30pts in Trickery.

In your other video I watched the first couple seconds to see your gear choice. Using that gear with the build for perma-stealthing you have:

2,943 Attack
22% Crit Chance
58% Crit Damage

…yeah, uh, excuse me while I go die from laughter.

Excuse me? I was showing permastealth on my P/D build, all it took was 1 quick trait and utility swap takes 5s.

If you watched the older D/P vid more closely, you’d see I had 88% crit damage and close to 40% crit chance (without foods) so with foods up 98% crit damage. Also back then people had little clue what they were doing and a lot went full glass etc.

I never focused on Crit Chance a lot tbh, not even now on d/d, I have around 45% I think.

Why do I even respond to all this nonsense I wunder.

@Daze spam, it’s only a small part of the annoyance, what annoys me the most is how OP Black Powder is, yes you can try dodge the shot but why do I have to waste my dodges on that. I already use my dodge to spot the “miss” when they come up behind me, so I know whereabout they are. I don’t have a million dodges to waste lol.

Dee Jay.2460:

I’ve never met a Thief who spams Headshot exclusively. Even myself I only use it to interrupt heals and revives. I mean it costs 4 Initiative and deals no damage. It hinder the enemy as long as it hinders me. If a D/P Thief uses it twice it already means he can’t use Black Powder for the next few seconds making him a vulnerable target.

D/P Thieves themselves also tend to be fairly glassly unlike P/D Thieves who run around in full Dire gear with Acrobatics talents for extensive dodges.

P/D is by far the most forgiving spec for Thieves and the easiest to play “well enough”. You have endless dodges, full Dire gear with max. Toughness and Vitality and enough Initiative to cover any Cloak and Dagger you might miss.

I mean with 15 Initiative and only Cloak and Dagger to blow it on you have to try really hard to waste it all.

I agree P/D is very forgiving, which is why I play D/D atm, because I feel P/D is becoming too meta. @Daze spam, again, it happens to me everyday during 1vX, some D/P thief cannot kill you so he decides to Daze spam you allowing the rest to kill you with ease, it’s like an instant gameover button. It happens to me every single day, I’ll make sure to record it next time.

Dee Jay.2460:

Yeah there are ways to penetrate the Blinds but they aren’t readily available or themselves have counters which makes them hard to use against a skill that can be used constantly.

Take a Warrior with melee weapons for example. Sure, he can use Berserker Stance but then I just kite away and chill in Stealth for a while, waiting for it to expire. After that, there’s really not much he can do. Hundred Blades will still deal some damage as will Blade-Trail but they’d have to be full Berserker to put out enough pressure.

When I fight another class I often feel I beat them because of the Black Powder mechanic more than anything else.

^This, entirely. Black Powder is the only reason I hate D/P, the blinds on it are just stupid. I couldn’t care less if D/P grabs stealth out of thin air, I can counter that. The perma blind is what screws me up. You used to be able to clear blind by just spamming #1 and you didn’t need a target, but that got nerfed a long time ago. :/

Cynz.9437:

…and what did you accomplish by wasting ini like that?

daze spam? it does like no dmg, what do you kill ppl with? AA?

The daze spamming doesn’t happen in 1v1, it’s in larger fights. Any build that runs D/P is cheese, you stealth out of thin air, period.

Low risk high reward, it shouldn’t be like that.

@Chicago, 9 out of 10 do run 30 SA on D/P, all my points still stand I think. On the other hand I have no clue how D/P should be balanced without destroying certain builds.

hihey.1075:

The thing I don’t get is that this complaint comes from WvW-ers who are sick of not being able to kill any bad D/P thief. If this change will be implemented (and, mind me, it will not), they would be even more mad at the new OP roaming class, P/P thieves.
There are SO many attackable objects in WvW (walls, doors, mobs, player’s AIs, siege), and unless it’s a 1v1 without anything in sight the P/P thief will keep stealthing AT RANGE without any problem, all this while unloading huge stacks of bleeding on everyone.
If you can’t deal with a D/P thief, which is EASILY counterable, I can’t imagine people dealing with this new kind of thieves.

First of all, D/P isn’t easily counterable. It’s like a fish jumping up from the surface of the water and you need to catch it in that 1 sec window. If you do manage to catch it in that one second window, it may glip out of your hands (HiS, Blinding Powder, Shadow Refuge).

I do agree #5 connect stealth method is a very nice idea but it’ll bring a lot of problems.
The way you suggest it, it’s basically like x/d but you can stealth at range, that’s.. not a good solution imo. Although very original.

P/D can’t do anything against D/P if they trait condi removal.. and the daze spamming D/Ps are the bad ones that get frustrated because they cannot kill you. I am speaking from thief POV and outnumbered situations, obviously.

Thing is, like half of the fights I get into, you’ll have this D/P thief spamming Daze and eventually it just kills you, it’s dumb. :/

What I hate about the build is how passive it is, yet so rewarding.

Lol@ calling D/P a skillful build.. when exactly you need to manage your initiative? You successfully stealth 9/10, unless someone manages to root or interrupt you. Like I said in my initial post, I run no stealth utilities, I stealth by actively staying in combat, ->>>THAT<<<- requires skill, not some cheesy D/P bullkitten.

If I miss my CnD twice, I’m dead. I have to spam #1 to break aegis/blind about everytime I try to CnD and even then you have a big chance it misses due to an Aegis popping at a bad time lol.

I run into D/P thieves more and more, I guess people started to realise the “nerf” was a pure joke and it affected no one. I still permastealth everyday (without being traited for it) and solo cap keeps. (source=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1jnqaW5BK4&feature=youtu.be)

The only reason I dislike D/P and think it’s OP, not so much because they can Stealth out of thin air and have a massive gapcloser by doing so + perma blind you at the same time.. that’s not really the reason I think this build is OP and should be looked at.

The real reason is the CONSTANT dazes whenever they realise they cannot kill you. You WILL die due to dazes. It happens about every encounter I have with D/P thieves in WvW.

This is if they are unskilled players, someone that is fairly decent at D/P is like a god and won’t die unless they overextend big time. I’m not entirely sure why Pistol offhand is superior over dagger, when dagger actually requires skill to stealth with? Hell it even costs the same amount of initiative. Of course this post is aimed at the build and no one specific, you have the full right to use something that works good, perhaps too good. Why wouldn’t you?

As D/D or P/D running with no stealth utilities, it’s a complete nightmare to play against D/P, because cowardly gameplay is rewarded so much ugh.

Source: I started out as a D/P thief, gained most of my “fame” doing so. (=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZOl-e8KCkY) I know what I’m talking about. This build has been OP since start and still is far superior. Defo the blinds on Black Powder are too much.

If this post feels like a rant, it is.
I’m on the verge of rerolling to D/P and win 1v5-10 fights as I used to in WvW.

I’m having issues too as I lag out a few times a day, other than that the game is very playable.. but you can imagine how bad it smells when you have to queue for a hour to play with your guild. It has made me quit from several of our raids.

I put in a ticket and the support team told me I should be fine, although I’m slightly suffering from packetloss. They told me to try a proxy and see how it goes. Obviously there is a problem between me & GW2 somewhere. Not suffering the same problem in other games, also got the fastest ISP you can get in Belgium. :P

What I noticed is I never lag out with few people on the screen but as soon as like 20+ load in out of nowhere.. thats a recipe for disaster, definitely during the evening.

Going to speak from WvW perspective here but I run Feline Grace in every Thief build of mine (p/d or d/d), for D/D I even dropped Shadow Rejunevation for it and use Withdraw to even have “more dodges”. I feel dodges is the only thing that keeps you alive in 1vX since we have no easy access to protection, healing or stability for that matter it’s essential for me that I can dodge incomming stuns or heavy damage. It’s not even OP, we can dodge 3x in a row and someone else dodges 2×.. but its a huge tradeoff I make in the traitline, making me really vulnerable. It’s not like you’re spamming your dodges, you’re timing them and that one extra dodge just prolongs your time being able to 1vX, which is essentially what I like to do in WvW lol.

I don’t see how thief would benefit from this “nerf-fix” situation other than certain s/d buids.. vigor hit me hard enough when they cut it in half. I would be way more interested to see us buffed OUT OF STEALTH. Hell, make Stealth like frenzy, make us take twice as much damage and give us a significant buff out of stealth lol.

You see, I run -other than Blinding Powder- no stealth utilities at all, not even the Heal.
Buff CnD, make it cost less ini so me missing twice in a row due to Aegis or Blind doesn’t have to be lethal, it’s lame how a trait that autopops every so many seconds can kill you. It doesn’t even require a push of a button. I guess Thief knows well enough how lethal traits can be -cough sa 5 cough-.

Sad thing is WvW is balanced around PvE and Thief in sPvP has been absolutely destroyed unless you run many evades or some super cheesy one trick pony build.

Sorry about going a bit off topic, got carried away. :P

Tachii.3506:

Nice music.

Why Spider venom tho? I don’t believe you have leeching venoms either?

Any other Venom is unreliable, Skale Venom misses all it’s shots if your target happens to dodge at the exact same moment, where as Spider Venom adds Poison up to 5 shots. I tend to go with Ricochet too so having Poison on potentially 5 targets is a good thing. Skale Venom would be a waste in that scenario.. it’s good for quick “burst” damage tho.

I know the damage output from Spider Venom is “low” but if you deny your target 33% healing.. think about it, it’s easily up there with Skale Venom in the long run.

I like having Spider Venom with me because I’m comfortable with using only Blinding Powder & CnD (hell, I even do it on D/D).. but if you need more survivability go with Shadow Refuge instead.. although P/D really doesn’t need it imo..

Karolis.4261:

26:40-45 that epic HS spam down the hill:D

Haha yeah, originally I wrote “kids, this is why you don’t spam Heartseeker” but I removed the edit.. happens when you spam HS and I happen to port away ;D

Potato.7318:

That’s a really nice video you got there. Just out of curiosity, how do you prioritize your targets?

Haha, running conditions it doesn’t really matter all that much.. unless they’re eles or guardians with loads of condi removal. Conditions ignore armor/toughness so any target is a good target. I usually try to target targets that can potentially kill me though, Necros are usually my prioritity or other Thieves.

@ Dee Jay, this is old footage, I’ve been rolling D/D for a bit now maybe you’ll like that more. I run basically the same utilities except I swapped Spider Venom for Inf Signet so I have one more port.

Paulie.6215:

Love your vids. Can’t wait to see this one.

It’s rather boring compared to some of my other videos, I really needed to clear harddrive space, the kills are still good though but barely any edits and stuff.

I haven’t posted a video in a long time, I kinda wanted to see the views I would be getting and if it’d be worth it making another good video. Which I will definitely do.

Haven’t made a video in a while, the kills are pretty decent (don’t complain about ranks, the higher ranks are those who blob up in 60 man blobs most of the time, just a heads up because I noticed some of my opponents aren’t above r100 lol, yeah, some are pretty low skill.. it’s actually fairly hard to come across decent players)

Video is raw footage, no speeding forward or fancy edits.. I usually edit quite a lot but I had to get rid of material really fast, my harddrive got full.. will be making a kitten video soon, got some really sick ideas. :P

Yeah, thief is in a bad position really. Doesn’t even really matter what build you run (unless P/D).

I dueled a gs/hammer warrior yesterday and lost my first two fights although I dodged about every stun, but him spamming #1 and running slightly curved thus failing backstab made it near impossible to win. (Both tanky & critting for 4k health by just spamming 1)

I adjusted my play drastically (bit rusty on D/D since it was my first go at it in months), won twice. Only because I was clearly the better player lol.

That’s just gs/hammer warrior, basically any build that is made to solo is stronger than yours if played by an equal player.. Engi, Ele, Mesmer, Necro, Warriors..

All the people complaining and constantly demanding nerfs are obviously zerglings who get picked out or die on their way to the blob.

Oro Neyishi D/D Thief

ozmaniandevil.6805:

Sceinna.3561:

Laela Blackbird, P/D
Been running with this look since the very beginning I started playing my thief (she had her birthday two days ago ;D)

Hey that looks great! What armor do you have on there?

Rubicon Mask (Karma)
Invader Shoulders (WvW badges)
Giver’s Coat (Named)
Krytan Armguards (Gemstore)
Krytan Leggings (Gemstore)
Krytan Boots (Gemstore)

Viking Jorun.5413:

Zero Day.2594:

Originally by: Player.8373

What: Shadow’s Rejuvenation
Why: This trait is so OP in wvw. This thief outnumbered 8 guys just by useing this with the Shadow’s Embrace (condi removal in stealth). These thiefs do mass damage and you can t do anything about it. and if you get them low , they will imidiatly get in stealth regain half of their health and you can t do anything about it. Wvw is full of those thiefs and it makes it really umbalanced. I heard a guy saying yeah but if you have skill you can kill those thiefs. The only guys I seen killing those thiefs are other thiefs with the same build. Condi builds and berserker builds are useless against them. So what works? Thiefs with the same build. I hear countless people say that thief is just the best class for pvp/wvw. Where is the fun if you can t just do anything against them and get killed.
I don t call these thiefs skilled , I just call it cheap.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/PvX-Nerf-Shadow-s-Rejuvenation

Will agree that Shadow’s Rejuvenation needs to be nerfed. A lot. Assassin’s Reward shouldn’t be punishing people for actively staying in combat out of stealth while Shadow’s Rejuvenation rewards people for staying in stealth, healing them completely in a short amount of time.

LMAO. The only thing its good for is outhealing 1 stack of bleed from a Necro. C’mon now

I run into Warriors all the time tanking 20 stacks of bleed, their health isn’t even moving, why don’t people complain about those? Because you can see them? lol

Nice thread btw, the sad part is the truth behind all this though, people will never acknowledge their bad play, they’ll just blame the entire class. Thief has already been nerfed into oblivion. As long as they don’t nerf CnD, I’ll always remain “OP” tho.

Laela Blackbird, P/D
Been running with this look since the very beginning I started playing my thief (she had her birthday two days ago ;D)

I’m crashing every 2-3 minutes, been trying to play this game for 2,5 hours now ugh.. imagined my Sunday to be slightly different. -_-

I dunno if it’s my computer or something with the game.. or both.. I’ve never had any issues until the past 3-4 weeks. But today the game decided it’s game over for me and I crash every 2 minutes.. screen goes frozen or I get an error…

Burning Arrows.8276:

I have seen what he is talking about and he killed two warriors in the process.
It is not uncommon to see a thief that can staff invisible as long has he wants in WvW and be able to kill anyone in the group he picks out. For example, today I had my Warrior, Toughness= 2100 Amor=3100+ Health=22000+ struck the thief with my hammer he stood there dazed for two or three seconds with my hammer smashing in his face and he walks away and kills me and the guy that was with me…

Can someone say how that happened?
Oh yea the other guy was a guardian

Sounds like the thief completely outplayed you. Seriously, the only issues I’m having with other Thieves is them resetting the fight or fleeing.

I main a thief so my opinion might be slightly “biased” but to be honest, no thief has ever killed me on my Guardian.

Thank you for the quick response to my ticket #277941 Anet,
Hope you can help me resolve the issue.

Hello, the game is literally unplayable for me.. I’ve been crashing everyday and today’s the worst of all, I can’t be in the game longer than 2 minutes before crashing. I’ve crashed 10 times within 5 minutes. Tried to restart my pc and everything, nothing works.

I’m trying to do guild raid with my guild but now I’m stuck in a hours long queue.. but not that it matters, because I keep crashing anyways. I’ve already reinstalled my drivers, tried to repair the game last night.. I’ve honestly no clue what is causing me to crash so much. Please help.

Why is Blobaddon being completely ignored here? -:P:P:P-

Dynnen.6405:

You bring up problems that nearly every other class except you have access to a really poorly designed stealth mechanic. But don’t worry there are a couple of games on the horizon that will have much better designed wvw mechanics as well as class mechanics. I know Camelot Unchained won’t be catering to casuals, hopefully ESO won’t either.

Every other class has some kind of purpose, except ranger maybe lol. Thieves are almost being pushed into roaming, our good offensive skills all require a stealth mechanic that is indeed broken.

Whenever I play my Guardian or Necro or Mesmer or Ele or w/e I don’t feel the same kind of stress I feel when I play Thief. Because I know if I die 1v5, theres only so much I could’ve done. Thief is another story, being able to stealth changes everything.. like I said, it allows good players to pick your targets one by one. Of course anything with minimal coordination you’ll be pretty much harmless to.

Thing is I find myself dying in the most stupid ways, mechanics bugging out (bugs in general). I could overcome a lot of these issues with Vigor, aka outdodging stuns, damage and what not. Vigor actually struck me really hard. It’s the only nerf I was against, any class can build up Vigor rather than go full zerk and spam AoE from a distance, it’s a choice you make. I like closs combat but I need some form of survivability. That survivability got cut in half with last patch.

Fact is no one on the Dev team is playing their own game “hardcore” as some of their customers are. GW2, already heavily aimed at casuals, keeps dumbing down the game to keep their casuals satisfied, with auto-popping boons, promoting zerg play (I do play in a hardcore WvW guild, we do run as a group and what not).

Let’s get real here, this game has nowhere near the competitive gameplay Guild Wars 1 had, the only mmorpg I’ve played for !!6!! years, buying content.. all expansions.

The only reason GW1 wasn’t as big as WoW is because it wasn’t aimed at casuals as much, definitely not PvP-wise. Casuals cash in more money, money is what keeps this game floating. I do feel left out being part of that “hardcore” group that wants more and better competitive gameplay, I want that esport that was promised to us. I do realise however this isn’t going to happen.

I’ve got deep love for this game, I do enjoy it.. but basically thief is the only class that allows some “hardcore” gameplay, but it lacks in SO MANY WAYS. When is SA #5 finally being replaced by something better or just plain removed. When will the visual animation of stealthing actually show up.. I lost count of how many times I’ve died because an error was forced UPON me. Landing a cloack and dagger while being already stealthed, because the visual animation fails big time.

Thief isn’t being pushed into teamplay, we simply add nothing, roaming however isn’t much of an option either. Vigor hit me pretty hard. I can’t outdodge the ridiculous OP necro AoE fields or Warriors with friggin’ shortbows insta blowing you up. I’m exaggerating a little here obviously, trying to make a point. Still it is truthful imo.

When you do down someone however, we have a hard time getting a stomp in. Either we die by random AoE spamming at downed target, or downed target gets insta ressed because stomping is a million times slower.. or you get knocked down because your only source of stability is Daggerstorm which you cannot use during a stomp. Oh yeah, we could Shadowstep out and back in, wasting our precious utility, the only good thing that keeps us alive lol.

It just frustrates me a bit how poorly designed Thieves are at this point. I’ve come back from a break from the game, I see myself quitting soon though. It’s just becoming hard to enjoy atm. Don’t get me wrong however, I do love this game, I just don’t support the design choices that are being made. specifically for Thieves.

Thareen.5471:

Just had to report two Ruins of Surmia players (Ele & Ranger) from KOBW (Knights of the Blood Wish) for bugging themselves into two of our T3 towers. Sreenshots are available as proof.
Guys, seriously?
Try to be fair at least.

For our other opponents. Good luck and i hope for some nice fights.
Although i don´t know what got into Anets mind to set up this matchup.

Those two are cheaters, using fly and speedhacks.. no one on Surmia knows them, I’ve seen their names pop up in another matchups too so I think they transfered to Surmia when it was free to transfer a few weeks ago.

I hope they get banned and don’t associate those two with the Surmia community. We do anything to stop cheaters and exploiters and I will promise you I’ll make everyone report those guys.

Good luck in the matchup guys!

Quite saddened that I have to agree with OP here.

Simonerd I play P/D too, I too consider it to be the most viable thief build there currently is. THAT DOESN’T MEAN EVERYONE HAS TO BE PUSHED INTO THAT DIRECTION.

When you nerf something, you compensate buff something else, this however NEVER happens with thieves. The ini regen buff is a joke, it’s a rebalance, not a buff.. I used to regain some ini by popping one of my stealth skills while being in stealth, this no longer works.. so I don’t consider the ini regen buff a buff at all.

I just don’t know what direction Devs are going with thieves, we literally don’t stand out anywhere and the only purpose I see is scouting, killing sentry’s and occasionally solo camps (which for some players is already a tough task to do :P)

I consider myself to be one of the better WvW thieves and I’m having a hard time to find out where exactly we excell at. Yeah occasionally I win 1v5 against a few random pugs who barely even touch their forward key, who then go onto the forums and complain about how OP thieves are. Even that is becoming nearly impossible with all the nerfs we endure every patch but never get any compensation for it.

Thief is however the hardest class to balance, not going to deny this.. however it’s currently by far the weakest class in GW2 tbh.

I only love thief for stealthing, allows me to eliminate players one by one, aka.. win 1vX fights, occasionally. If you lose 5v1 against a thief, that tells more about yourself than the thief.

(Swap Skale Venom out for Spider Venom, less direct damage but easier to apply, deals similar damage because your opponent heals -33% less. Also my traits are slightly different because I use might on dodge (trait) together with might on stealth it adds up very quickly to 12~ stacks or so, thats a nice extra condi damage) Most viable WvW build for me atm, can be frustrating 1vX though with AoE condition removals around, you’ll need to put a lot of pressure and stay alive, takes some skill to perform with.

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fYEQRAqY4alYmKNHfS6E95EB3Dj60m6p4rjtTBXlPA-jkCB4iChoOYUADZk6AiABOTqIas1MFRjV3ATxiIq2joIa1SBAzaA-w

Thank you for /bow dGdH commander on Surmia borderlands from Dzagunor, that was a real sport. I have to be honest, I put on fraps because I expected /laugh.. and got pleasantly surprised. (for a /laugh compilation I might do at some point xD)

A very nice and welcoming change from the usual. Also have had really good fights this week, keep this up everyone. Looking forward for GvG Thursday too.

o/

This is a bug that needs fixing but I couldn’t resist, I felt like Mythbusters and just had to try it out. ;p I would’ve capped it without the bug too as I’ve done 10000000000s times before.

Maybe the mesmer, I thought it was the engi. :P Yeah, I could do absolute nothing.. it’s already hard to land a CnD with blind applied on me and Aegis on you at all times.. and then perplexity.. ugh. :P

Maskaganda.2043:

Sceinna.3561:

Hollywood.3490:

Shouts to Jinzeama for putting up good fights @ GBL in the evening :-)

kitten … Laela Blackbird is here and since he’s running with 50 different guild tags (I’d expect CE), I wouldn’t even know that he’s lurking around :-P

Haha I ran into TCHU multiple times though.. I play with [RAGE] tag.. fought you guys in previous matchups too and it was always great fun, obviously good roaming players.. I was a bit annoyed with the perplexity engi tho. =.= That guy almost instant kills me, it’s unfunny. Kinda hope perplexity gets a well deserved nerf in the future, but I <3 TCHU and you’ll defo see me around more, hopefully I’ll have my partner in crime with me.. because 1vX vs TCHU, not really do-able. :P

When I run with VVRL it’s me kitten ing around or scouting.. probably shouldn’t mention it tho. ;D" It can be both!

we don’t have a perplexity engie. it’s just me with good old prybar to the face or speller with a healing build.

and I’m sorry when we gank solo players, we dont really avoid it (need muh corruption stacks!) but I know it can be annoying :p

if it’s any consolation, you made a bunch of randoms cry about thief on the map chat. I’m pretty sure one quit wvw completely because of you. (I’m assuming you are that rage thief we encountered a few times).

cheers!

One of you has perplexity 100% and I’m pretty sure it was an asuran engi. :P

Ran into you today (with 10+ people on my side, kinda felt bad for ganking you guys.. but hey, it was 1v5 the other day too ;P) and you didn’t run with perplexity I think, but one of your guys defo running perplexity, the 5-10 stacks is just not do-able every 5s.. :/

Hollywood.3490:

Shouts to Jinzeama for putting up good fights @ GBL in the evening :-)

kitten … Laela Blackbird is here and since he’s running with 50 different guild tags (I’d expect CE), I wouldn’t even know that he’s lurking around :-P

Haha I ran into TCHU multiple times though.. I play with [RAGE] tag.. fought you guys in previous matchups too and it was always great fun, obviously good roaming players.. I was a bit annoyed with the perplexity engi tho. =.= That guy almost instant kills me, it’s unfunny. Kinda hope perplexity gets a well deserved nerf in the future, but I <3 TCHU and you’ll defo see me around more, hopefully I’ll have my partner in crime with me.. because 1vX vs TCHU, not really do-able. :P

When I run with VVRL it’s me kitten ing around or scouting.. probably shouldn’t mention it tho. ;D" It can be both!

@ Gandara Bay just now, sorry for being a pain in Bay, I had been in it since the very beginning when it was a 3 way fight and I intended on soloing it eventually, I revealed myself to kill the Fort Ranik mesmer who was hidden inside as well (didn’t want them to blob Bay again and turn it in another 3 way fight ;P)

It was fun but probably annoying on your part, thank you for /bow when I died in the end, usually I get a /laugh instead, that was really sportive and a welcoming change. <3

I ran with “Revenge Of The Vii Red Law [VVRL]” guildname rather than [RAGE]

Kensei.1495:

a t s e.9614:

Well , I guess i’ll go back to D\P perma stealth troll build then .

Heh, NO.

Shadow Arts V – Infusion of Shadow – This trait functionality has been changed to “Gain initiative when you enter stealth.” 2 init.

so sad

So deserved. The only reason I’ve spent weeks soloing keeps, recording and putting it to youtube is to put an end to D/P perma troll build in WvW.

D/P will still be good and more reliable than D/D is atm since you stealth with no target, you blind opponents around you (and your target). It’s slower than D/D is tho.

But the vigor changes.. ugh T.T..I agree s/d is the only viable thief build in sPvP, so theres definitely some work to do to make other builds more viable again.

I am absolutely loving what I’m reading, I’ve disagreed with so many nerfs to thieves but these were NECESSARY. Perma stealth was a real issue (in WvW), I’m not sure I’m liking the Vigor nerfs tho. :/

The only reason I’m even surviving with my thief is due to outdodging damage, this will completely destroy my build which I didn’t think is OP at all. I hope some of these nerfs come with some good survivability buffs too.. and D/D definitely needs a buff or two.

Hello,

I’m appealing for a friend because he doesn’t want to appeal himself.. he’s ok with the ban, though I think it’s a bit overkill for whatever went down.

About 6 hours ago Karolis.4261 was banned for inappropriate language, he doesn’t know when, why or what happened.. but he said it was probably justified. He said he said something along the lines of “kitten anet for downed state”. Or some sort of remark of the current state WvW is in (blob, skill lag, queues).. he then received a 3 days ban. Again.. he’s perfectly fine with the ban.. but I personally really think it’s overkill.

3 days ban would be appropriate if we’re talking about racism, not if you’re expressing yourself about something that bothers you at that point (although it may be annoying and affecting other peoples enjoyment, I totally understand that…). Still, WvW is a competitive environment and if he said something bad about the gamemode, that shouldn’t result in a 3 days ban I think. I should’ve received a permaban already if so. o.o

Can I have someone looking into this please? It really sucks for him being banned until after Halloween.. and he doesn’t even really know why.

Thank you

I personally don’t care much for blobbing.. I only care for the massive skill lag that comes with it.. but that’s the game’s engine atm. Not that I want to encourage blobbing tho.. I’d like to see things differently but it is what it is atm.

Had some good fights when not affected by skill lag. :P

Good luck my Surmian brothers, hope you can win this league.

DeviLee.7384:

wait wha? O.o double sigil of agony?

I got told Agony stacks in duration (not every sigil does tho), I personally use Corruption & Earth (only has a 2s internal cd) atm.

Earth adds 1 extra bleed per Sneak Attack so I find it more effective than Agony.

@ the contribution part,
Yes, zerg v zerg I don’t contribute anything because of mass condi cleansing, I do win about all my 1vX fights tho, if they’re not guild groups that is. I also solo keeps like everyday, no matter what tier I’m in (I’m sorta addicted to it ;D)..

I started off as D/P myself, way before it went meta.. I may actually be part of D/P going meta, my vids tick ~10K views and Yishis ran a variation of my build when he played D/P (Withdraw forward is my trick, I came up with that for as far as I know, Centaur runes in combination with Withdraw was also my idea)

As soon as D/P went meta it felt so stupid having so many “copycats” around me, I like to do something unique.. P/D is what feels the best to me atm because it’s not very liked, as you can tell from this thread, although you’re judging on probably the first minute of the video.. and completley ignoring other videos on my channel too.

Like I have stated in the intro “skill lag, vizunah square last week” and the current league going on makes it impossible to shoot any good footage atm.

Daendur.2357:

@ everyone saying thief is easy: there are other professions way more easy than thief. just to say…

laela, you are good, nothing to say, but for at least the first 3 minutes of the video there were only ppl running and zergs ignoring you. they don’t even try to stop you.

Because it’s mostly Vizunah Square footage, the only good roamers I found on there were the MoS Millenium guild.. had some really enjoyable fights with those folks, everything else was massive blobbing.

@Above, I don’t see how D/D condition requires any more skill than P/D does, all you’re doing is spamming Death Blossom, drop caltrops or w/e and stealth off you go.

Yes, P/D has high survivability.. much higher than your average D/D build, I started playing P/D because I grew a weird interest in soloing towers & keeps yet I want to maintain my ability to fight 1vX.. so I came up with a hybrid build that does both.

I may do some D/D footage because tbh, as a WvW thief the only thing you need to be skilled in is movement, quick thinking & landing your CnDs (if you’re not too depending on stealth).. and I’m pretty sick with my CnDs, if you’re denying that you’re… * lol.

D/D quickly gets boring to me though, I run it occasionally.