Well, we queued ebg + home border 3 days in a row now. While 2 enemy borders were guilds only. Also desert bls got better.
Man, you have no idea what your talking about. There are so many builds in use currently, our server cant even detirmen which one would be meta.
With the current trait system and the must have HoT trait line we have less builds. Fact.
I don’t know howto make someone do basic counting better…..
In my guild we currently have:
4 guardian builds
2 warrior builds
3 revenant builds, with another 2 in consideration
1 ranger build
2 engineer builds
3 elementalist builds, with 1 in testing phases
3 necromancer builds, with 2 more condi builds being developed
2 mesmer builds, with 3 in consideration
All those builds diverse in atleast 1 traitline, a full set of gear, weapons or utility skills.
And the thing is, those builds are optimized for certain parties/roles so none of them is inferior to other, if just put in right party and played in right style.
So dont bullkitten me about no build diversity.
Man, you have no idea what your talking about. There are so many builds in use currently, our server cant even detirmen which one would be meta.
Dam, you don’t pull any punches, do you!
Im just frustrated with my role as a mesmer. Am i realy only a gimick user? Before HOT there was a role for focus party, but that is not the case anymore, even if you get people to do so, maps are absolutly terible for this, since you dont have space to manouver around, and gunflames/rev hammer 2 basicly 1 hits you.
Illusions just die if you dont take distortion for them, but doing so you give up one of best traits mesmer has, i mean 1 condi clear per shatter and healing is just so good.
Well of precognision opened up many posibilities, but they nerfed it to the ground.
Reflects? in pug groups enough guardians run wall of reflection, while against guilds its almost useless.
Signets, i laugh at them, exept for inspiration, but still what use is it outside of gvg.
Manipulations, again only 1 good, acctuly godlike blink.
While phantasms are like guardian weapons, no one even knows they exist.
Not to mention traitlines, we can agree chrono is better than basic mesmer, so thats 1, you cant play without condi clear anymore so thats inspiration and we are at 2. So what are you going to chose now, with a class that relies hugely on its traits. Well whatever you do chose it seems incomplete.
Basically because I’m tons of ways better with a mesmer than with a ele/necro. And because if I had to play any other profession I wouldn’t play at all.
Better have an alive mesmer than a dead ele/necro.
Better play with 20 guys + a mesmer than play with 20 guys.
Taught so, ty. Its basicly the same for me. Though i acctuly use veil, though i kinda hate it anyway.
Space. All the space i want to kitte around all the red circles as a mesmer. Blink acctuly works for the most part. No shrine effects(ty for not including them in alpine). Thats generaly it. Oh and green/white is much more relaxing for the eyes.
Lool sorry :P
Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTvC5aMHrSM
Ok now that ive seen you play. What is it that your doing better than elementalist or necromancer or even revenant, to justify your space in raid/map, since you are not using any of special mesmer mechanics(veil,portal). Only thing i can think of is gravity well, but is that realy enough.
I just want to know your oppiniong, becouse i realy think mesmer is only realy usefull for gimics, even boonshare in guild teams is kinda gimicky. And all of this relies on our utilities.
I don’t have much time, so:
This is the build I use: http://goo.gl/r3zfSJ
And this is how I play it and how it performs: http://goo.gl/r3zfSJYou’re basically a ranged DPS with CC.
Feedback is better against pug zergs, against guilds Well of Recall does more.
I don’t take Veil cause my guild relies on blasting smoke.
You used same link twice, i would realy want to see, how you perform on that build.
Ascended armor, ascended weapons. Something like 2000(make it 5000 if you want, i dont care, just give me an acctual option to get it) heroic notaries for 1 item. I guess that is comparable to raids,fractals or whereever you acctuly get ascended other than crafting.
Or at least items required for ascended, since HOT, i mean i dont want to grind 25 fulguride in HOT maps.
And i tell you dont generalize guilds and dont look down on them as they spend hours on builds and their teamwork. Cant blame them if they want to fight those 2h a night their playing together, since any other time of the day they are also pugs following a pug commander, roaming,…
That is called waypointing, they just waypoint to keep/hill.
You would know when to waypoint if you were on server teamspeak, since most commanders command by talking, its highly more effective than writing. Just ask for ts details on ebg map chat.
Or you dont have caracter model limit set to highest and computer stops rendering models to preserve resources, but names should be still visible if this is the case.
Great communication is only thing i can say.
I’m not going to delve into a swath of negativity here, but I do want to leave a word of caution. This thread, out of all the feedback provided, being noticed and highlighted by Gaile worries me because it is quite possibly the worst form of feedback provided on this forum.
It is mostly just a bunch of oppinions and holds very little argumentation and discussion. People who prioritize things like autoloot are unable to connect autoloot to loot and loot to content providing them loot (commanders that enable loot-generation or a balance that reliably generate loot). Data sampled from threads like this say alot about what people want unreflectedly and short-sightedly but very little about what they need or want once they have been provided context and have negotiated an understanding.
I fear that a majority wishlist will create more community backlash, long term. The quantity approach is very likely to yield new “you do not understand us” remarks as there is very little understanding to be derived from mere metrics. There are only whats, no whys or hows. If we want understanding we can not just collect piecemeal data.
With that said (worried that this thread is being prioritized…),
1. Get the old stability back, it worked (= fix population imbalance)
2. Dynamic scoring system: score/map/players (=fix population imbalance)
3. Progression in the game mode (=skins, finishers, ascended etc.)
4. Old maps (= roll back and iterate on solid ground, Alpine + small changes)
5. Balance, balance and balance (=get the fluff out and work on classes/specs)
Pretty much this. If these 5 things get fixed you get a working wvw.
Also consider that melee attacks should always do more damage while using same stats when compared to ranged. Atleast for non-channeled skills.
Make elite specs for classes that are not popular in wvw, that would make them usefull.
It was stated by ANet that tournaments are on hold until wvw overhaul. As to when this is happening, there is no official statement, rumors are more inclined for q3-q4 release. There was a statement by Colin on lifestream of Guild chat that a reveal/discusion about overhaul is coming soon, but that statement is now about 1 month old already.
I heard a lot of guilds left FSP for SFR, dont know if this info is true though. But you are on a server that does a lot of fighting and is acctuly quite good at it, also high enough tier, with decent population. Just join in EBG and start your journey in wvw. No point in bothering with EotM.
Remember first survive than deal damage.
(begin with soldier gear, so you dont go down instantly)
Oh and say hello to Perish for me, maby remind him how he ran from Gandara.
Would be great if we knew what server your on.
If you only realy want to get 500 badges of honor and rank 14 than equipment change isnt something you neceserly need to do.
But if you acctuly want to get going in wvw, i would suggest you look trough some elementalist POV videos and maby join a wvw guild that is beginer friendly, they will probably help you the most with whole setup and tactic you need to use. Also ALWAYS, and i realy mean always join teamspeak, all commands are going trough that(doesnt apply to EotM).
staff backline build with 3 cantrips and earth/water/tempest traitlines i guess with soldier armor so you wont die of random aoe.
Also be prepared to die, a lot. You are new to gamemode that doesnt have a lot of beginers. Atleast i dont see many people under bronze rank.
EDIT: Dont be afraid to ask in map chat things about wvw, just be sure to not sound trollish and dont even try saying anything about gift of battle, we dont like pve scrubs that are there just to karma train.
Acctuly im writing this reply just becouse i see potential in you to become active WvWer, atleast your asking for a build unlike many others.
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AHAHHAAHAH
NO!!!
Man you are clearly new to wvw, or atleast new to any discussion on wvw. We want less pve in wvw we want wvw in wvw. Fair fights against people, without overpowered gimics ruining everyones day. Even when i attack a garrison i want to fight with people there and not with huge amount of acs and banners and a hp sponge that is lord. Though we are used to acs and well they give some advantage to defenders and can be taken down relativly easily if you have frontliners to push, so its kinda ok, though some positions for acs are just rediculous.
Also absolutly no gliding, what do people have with gliding, its a gimick that further undermines relevance of melee.
I saw a queue once, two years ago. Only once though. Back then I leveled all my characters to 80 in WVW. In fact, I never finished the map completion or story on any character. I just did WvW. WvW was in bad shape back then. It’s a dead zone these days.
“all the guilds come in” made me laugh tbh. The highest number of players I’ve seen of late (friend and foe included) was 9 in anything other than EotM. Even there it’s poorly balanced and sporadic.
Im realy sorry you are on low pop server, but even on gandara and we are rank 9, we get occasional queue on borderlands, sometimes not only made by guilds but by a good commander that just felt inspiration to tag up there. Not to suggest desert borderlands are good, but its still better to get fights and wait for EBG there instead of waiting in LA for EBG queue to pop.
As for situation 2 years ago, we were having queue on every map every primetime. Acctuly roughly until stability change.
If you enjoy EoTM you will like desert borderlands, its as kitten as EoTM.
What changed in WvW.
-Stab changes destroyed great melee engagements.(also introduced a huge amount of lag that was partialy adressed by one dev on easter)
-June specializations patch.(power creep for some classes, destroyed diversity for others)
-Golem event.(acctuly minor thing if you compare it to others, but such a miss that i just had to include it)
-HOT release(elite specs, desert borderland, upgrade sistem, guild upgrades, pve only runes, sigils, materials for war room)
All these things with not 1 good change for a year now. Acctuly only significant change that was good since release was removal of culling, atleast that i can remember.
Ok now imagine its 8pm and all the guilds come in. Where do they go?
To EBG with 70 man queue? To home border that has no invaders?
Not every server is starved of population u know, even as gandara we frequently have queues in borderlands in primetime when guilds have raids. By this fact alone, your idea is not to be even considered.
NO NO NO NO A MILLION TIMES NOOOOO.
Are you even serious? To propose such an idea to wvw forums, u realy have the nerves.
Everyone has been crying for less pve and u want to add some kittenn traps and gliding. Not to mention your idea includes the need for wvw players to acctuly complete masteries in pve.
WTH MAN
Something like this i guess. Just try to be first one that does the burst or your screwed.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAR8flknha0YZawRNwtGLqGVdzGtVLZAUAFnZNUNtAA-TFSBABUq+De6GIa/BAuAAmpEUjnAwCHEgrU+RKA9kaB-w
or against a condi user
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAR8fl0nhi0YZawRNwtGLrGV5GUcBQ9y+sT75RkEPHA-TFSBABa8EAwT3AAXAgrU+twBBgo9HoU9HzUCSKA9kaB-w
I dont realy roam much but variations of these builds work great for ganking in gvg.
In wvw(unless roaming) dont use condies, unless you are reaper and even than in pug groups wells are kinda more reliable.
Probably most basic guardian build. Exept for durability, i guess trooper would work too. Double cleanse is always nice, maby melandru runes are too be cosidered. It was always considered that 1 guardian is hammer other is greatsword so have both prepared.
As for advancer builds u might want to join a guild, even most casual ones are doing some theorycrafting and will provide u with a build.
Meta is still in flux btw so a lot of guilds are using different builds and are also pretty reluctant to reveal them, me including, but those only work with designed parties anyway.
Just something from top of my head.
So ok. If you use F1, F2 or F3 to get some quickness and than use GS 2 switch to Sword, use sword 3. F5 and than gravity well, well of calamity, well of action, F5, gravity well, well of calamity, well of action, Shield 4 to share all that quickness go in while in block, shield 5 for some more cc, echo of memory out and you should still have blink for emergency. Sigil of draining should be healing u for 1000 every interupt and with 2 gravity wells on slowed enemies + shield 5 should proc a lot. With enemies being slowed + fury you are at 100% crit chance.
Prefrably u are in party with herald for that fury(this is covered by another mesmer running build bellow(pack runes)) and 50% boon duration.
Not realy sure about power block and blured inscriptions.
It should acctuly work great with another mesmer running something like this, for veil obviously and more slow and quickness from timewarp.Or well just use 2 mesmers with above build, i just wanted to cover veil+PU.
Mesmers can bounce boons beetween eachother if second mesmer goes into boonshare instead of temporal enchanter.
These builds are not optimized or tested due to huge cost of obtaining all of this equipment.
Sry for bad language and lack of formating but i just dont have the nerve to go trough it.
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For warrior condi stats are pretty unheard of in wvw, we are testing it a bit, but it doesnt realy work that good. Also warrior is pretty unviable currently when compared to warrior or revenant for frontliner, though there are build like gunflame/hammer-greatsword hybrids, but are generaly not wanted by commanders.
As for guardian, if u go full zerker u are going to dye instantly. Most guardians in guild groups run a lot of vitality and thoughness, becouse your role as a guardian isnt damage realy, but support and cc.
Judging by your armor ideas i have a felling your totaly new to wvw.
I would join a wvw guild or a community wvw guild, they are going to tell u how and why to play certain proffessions and builds. Just ask away in EBG or something. U mentioned smaller groups, guilds tend to run ~20 people.
I wouldnt get ascended armor just like that(its a huge investment for most wvw people, so i cant realy judge how much of a hassle it is to u to get 700 or so gold), get used to your class and if u acctuly like playing it than go for ascended, but definetly not condi unless your playing reaper(atleast for now).
Mesmer:
Can’t you nerf sharing of alacrity=nerf all’s well that ends well
Acctuly even better let it add f6 button to detirment wheter you want wells to be offensive or defensive, becouse duality just doesnt work in wvw. Gravity well(purely offensive) and old precognition(purely defensive) were only ones worthy to acctuly use.
Maby consider bringing back mass confusion on glamours or wells, since condies looks like the way to go on many classes now.
Glamour resistance stacking is now nerfed, so using 2 mesmers for perma resistance is not viable anymore. (not that it was masively used)
Shield >> all other offhands, exept torch for certain roles.
Ty for feedback changes
Subgroups and squadmates have different dots already. Though the difference is subtle. see attachment — subgroup is on the left
I’ll pass on the feedback to the team.
Would something like this work? (Screenshot with explanation)
Note that this screenshot concept is a bit dated, but since lieutenants can now be assigned, would it make sense for them to have a mini tag? Even if it’s just a number, this way everyone within the “subgroup” can follow him/her incase the commander dies, the subgroup just rally to the lieutenant, and “subgroup colors” would make it easier for players to follow/clump together while having the correct range for “boon sharing”, otherwise it’s a sea of blue names on the screen.
Thanks Jon!
~Woop S
This.
Get the popcorn ready boys.
This is going to be a hype train like no other.
If you’re feeling really good about your Friday, delay watching it till it’s a VoD and turn it into a drinking game. If he apologizes Drink, If they decide to move reset back Drink, If they mention rewards laugh and take 10 shots.
Better go to a market to stock up on supplies than. Its going to be a wild evening.
Also would be great to have names in seperate color too, so u know where your subsquad members are not just by minimap.
Revenants and enginers have a reveal mechanic now, that might be the cause. As for the one at mendons i have no idea.
3.3k armor. afk in sm. no buffs. only 1 hit. hitting twice was another issue but who needs to be hit twice when 1 shot is enough to kill most squishier builds.
Guard true shot would have done the same numbers. Only thing CoR had on other classes big damage skills was the double hit (and low cd I suppose). But all that has been fixed now.
I think all low risk high damage skills should be removed.
There was once a time when hammerstun hit for 10k and it was deamed to strong and nerfed(acctuly needed adrenaline and was on 6s or so cooldown aswell needed to be melee and with 1s cast time and being melee u needed stability not to be interupted). Now we have skills on 2-5s cooldown and at 1200 range dealing same damage or more.
What do you think? Hammer revenant nerf was basically nothing. That skill would be OP even on 10s CD if they don’t nerf the damage. I hope they will at least change Cruel Repercussion.
Seriously dude ?
It no longer “double hits”, which is where 90% of the one-shots came from.
Just use 2 coordinated revs than… and something is almost guaranted to drop.
What can i say other than that they are dillusional about the strength of this skill. Get 2-3 revenants together on TS and just spam hammer 2 at same time. Tell me how to survive 3 such hits with no warning. Sure other classes can bring such burst but acctuly require some setup or atleast being in melee where u are more vunrable.
There is warriors gunflame also and they go ahead and buff its survivability, wtf.
Great changes that should be implemented asap.
Just be prepared to change/remove point 4 after implementation. I love it becouse im a guild player but we dont know how its gona work in practice.
Also glad to hear, this is not even part of bigger overhaul, since looking at these changes, overhaul is gona be awesome.
Anet u are begining to start to go in right direction for wvw.
I would love to see where my subgroup members are(make their name diferent color).
Some more notable changes:
Reduced the health and defense bonuses provided by reinforced and fortified walls and gates at towers.
Updated the Mystic Forge vendor to also sell Siege Masters Guides in quantities of 10.
Both positive changes, but superior siege could be implemented in a diferent way. Instead of whole mystic forge thing, just put spirit shards, mithril, elder wood, blueprints as cost to purchase superior siege, and put it in quantities of 1 and 10.
It fixed something, but not desert borderlands, since for that u would need more drastic measures.
Both transfer to third server and be done with it, whats the problem?
We were scriming on borderlands when event started, our and opposing guild started lagging so much we ended the round and headed to event, than both agreed to leave and let third server to complete it as quickly as posible and we just stared at each other waiting for IMPOSIBLE lag to end.
Go to EBG on reset today, in 45min… Use necro with wells or guardian with lootstick, and follow commander and dont be a rallybot.
Dont farm wvw stuff, just play the best gamemode in GW2.
East and west keeps are missing waypoints.
South towers have waypoints.
Waypoints are not upgrade!?!?!?
There was intense tectonic activity, that created many cliffs and ridges.
We got used to 3-way fights lagging, but problem is if even 2-way lags with 3 second delay or more, which happens on new BL. In the end EBG and Alpine had very minimalistic design and it still laged ocasionaly, but with all features Desert has, yea lag got worse.
Option to disable it, or well to move it around and adjust size.
I still have 300 tickets, dont know what to spend them on, hopping for new set with new turnament.
Yea i realy hope there is gona be a turnament soon, or well realisticly in Q1-Q2 2016.
Describe a typical hour for you in the Alpine Borderlands in the past. For example, What size of group were you running in? What kind of tasks did you run? What activities did you do?
-In the afternoon i did smaller scale combat, scouting, dolly escorting(while mining on the side), fliping T0 camps, basicly preparing the borderland for primetime, where i would tipicaly join commander in large scale fights(without lag hopefully), pusinh T3 keeps to get rid of those pesky waypoints, for which there were preparations(killing dollies, trebing trough afternoon).
Compare your experience described above with a typical hour spent in Eternal Battlegrounds, if you went there at all. Does your style of play change between the 2 maps?
-EBG tends to have higher % of commander coverage, and u are not generaly defending outside of your corner. Otherwise its the same
Compare your experiences described above with an hour spent in the new borderlands.
-You cant starve keeps out of supply to not only stop it from upgrading but halting enemy pushes before they even start becouse u cant realy build 10 omegas if u dont own a keep.
Also when there is a larger fight it tends to be in some corridor, not even a choke(door length). Such fights are not interesting, melee pushes and melts on all AOEs(no one has enough stability and invunrability to push 1200+ range of choke) while backliners cant even follow(generaly even less survivability than melee), not to mention focus party.
Cant run with R and check out map at same time cus ill likely die from falling damage.
Try to treb fire keep(gl).
Describe the nature of combat in the borderlands in the past. How have the new borderlands impacted this paradigm for you? What style or build changes might it cause? For example, knocking people off cliffs or into lava might play a more important role.
-I dont think there are gona be differences in builds becouse of this, especialy in guild scene. We even refused to use venom wells, not focus on using knockbacks/fear specifily to push someone over the edge. But if fight happens near a cliff, well u tried to knock someone down even on alpine.
In your experience, compare the time it takes take a structure or objective here, then it did in the past.
-Definetly takes longer(acctuly a good thing), but thats mostly at undefended objectives(not realy good), cus unmanned keeps/towers should be relativly easy to capture, but this is not realy the problem.
Problem is that if u are fighting on one side of map and than come to the other everything has atleast cannons up if not more, for free!!! I always liked taking care of a keep and to make sure it upgrades as it should.
Also getting things from oil/cannon/mortar/waypoint line and wall/gate one at the same time is not good, it should stay as it was with you having to chose what u want first instead of everything.
How is the loot and wxp for you compared to in the past? Will it be able to sustain whatever you are doing? Did it take a hit, or was it improved? If you are planning to unlock an elite specialization, do you think you were helped or hurt in these regards? Do you think you could pursue any other in-game goals just by playing WvW?
-This questions is out of place. You could never sustain yourself in wvw, but its not the problem with siege or upgrades but acctuly getting geared up. As a wvw only player i would probably get ascended armor only this year(i play since headstart) if i werent lucky and got zap in forge.
Come on only changing runes can cost 50g.
As for elite specialization, 400 HP was a lot to much, as for 250 HP its still a lot to only wvw mode it, cus some days u can only get 1 or less ranks. I got chronomancer by using teleport to friend consumables on day 1(while liquid WXP was removed, lel, give it back 20min bonus is inefective), just to avoid the horrible(personal opinion) pve experiences.
Hero point badges(dont know what their called) should be account bound, so i can acctuly try some alt elite with 1% map completion while not activly karma training with that class.
You cant get gold in wvw, you can only get 1 special skin(mistforged), even this is extremly limited, cus there was no turnament in eternity. Even in spvp you have reward tracks, to get some special things.
You cant even build war room upgrades by only playing WvW and war room only aplies to WvW.
How will the map change impact the long sessions (multiple hours) you spend in WvW?
-It wont, ill just be in EBG.
In 100 words or less, describe how the new BLs could be improved.
-More flat ground->open field fights,easier to traverse
Less gimicks->fire hound, shifting walls(even more chokes), stealth(lol), auto turrets(maby when outnumbered)
Lords->remove pve stuff and tune them down, u cant even have lord room fight with so powerful CCs
In 100 words or less, describe how the borderlands work to a new WvW player.
-If Alpine was sopposably confusing this is inacassible to new players.
In 100 words or less, describe how the borderlands work to a veteran WvW player that is new to the maps.
-Basicly what i sead trought the whole post.
Which map am I most likely to find you currently, if you’re on Gw2?
-EBG
Midlle event could be transformed into a single cap circle(with notification in advance that it will activate, similar to stronghold channeling) that disables enemy waypoints(other than spawn) on that map for lets say 20-30 min. Just brainstorming, maby ill see it as a bad idea tomorow, but well whatever it is it should have some value and should be detirmened by simple open field fight.
Edit: Waypoint only at T3 keeps, pls, for any team.
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There is a whole lot more that can be discused, but its getting late and since i answered all the questions, now im just hopping someone from WvW team acctuly reads it.
Sry that i didnt bother to go trough what i wrote, but yea its late.
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SFR lost huge amount of people.
Current matchups:
http://mos.millenium.org/matchups
1. Remove laser
2. Remove gimicky shrine buffs, maby allow first one when outnumbered
3. Waypoints have to be earned, there was reset race on EBG, for who will get waypoint up first. Add them to side keeps in borderlands
4. Make borderlands easier to traverse(remove the canyons aroung all 3 keeps, they bring poor fights)
5. Remove the autoupgrades, upgrades were just fine as they were, maby just should have halved the price or something. There should be supply control mechanic, i know we were out of supply a lot of times, so we had to capture a whole lot of camps to acctuly go on offensive, all thanks to enemies skillful dolly hunting and camp capturing.
There are probably more ideas, i just dont remember now.
I dont even know why they created a new Borderland map, old one was quite good, it would just have to be revorked a bit.
Do u realy have a dice which detirmens what u are gona ruin in wvw.
1:Imposible lag
2:Server crash
3:Golem event
4:Lets ruin reset time
5:Laughing at all the bugs wvw has and posibly adding new ones
6:Maby leave it alone, but lets make it a PvE by making all players into 1 team, just for laughs