Guild Wars 2

ok. u r right.. so, is possible reach a o high critical backstab in pvp??
i m trying a new trait way:
25, 30, 10, 5 ,0
the point is: the 25 points in deadly arts ( VI, IX ) are usefull??
i’m losing a lot of survability
according to you, hoe much are differents the assassin build for pvp and wvw??

@Oghier: in his clip there are no bloodlust stacks.. i’ll buy the runes, but is pretty anoying recharge everytime, but is not a big problem..
but i’m pretty sure that his 8k of damage donesn t hail from livelled enemy, so, has backstab been nerfed?
anyway, i’ll buy food, i’ll finish runes ( maybe not divinity.. 10 gold/ rune is too expensive), i’ll full bloodlust and i see the ascendent weapon.. when i left gw2 there weren t and right now i hust see how i can spend leaurel

@Dahkeus: i m sure i m in stealth, cause at the beginning i didn t backstab cause my invisibility went down before i attack, but now i can backstab without problem..
for example, i try it on pvp area against a golem and the damage isn t better then 4.8k.

i tested my damage on pvp, but cannot improve him.. simply nerfed then??

anyway, ty for answers. reading thruogh the forum i saw a lot of venom/ trap builds, but i odn t like very much them. i really like the assassin classic build.. i just wanna try t master it.. but is just frustrating see that when i roll a pg, he’ s ain’ t good like when i saw it against me XD

Hi guys. I started to play a gain few days ago after one year of stop.
I’ve just reach the 80th with my 3rd pg, but i trying to see which are the news bout mesmer. I wanna dedicate him for a pvp/wvw.
I played a phantom build. Is this good yet?? or ain t avaible anymore?

this is the build i played: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQNAR8alwzKq3UTmGa9ICKFYn3RSRrlalewbXosB

could u help me to improve it?? or just crit it
ty a lot

Hi guys. I m rolling a thief ( just reach 80, my 3rd pg, after a necro and mesmer). i stopped play a lot of months ago ( an year, more or less) and i wanted to exp thief cause i remembered very well the tons of backstab ’s damage.
Right now i exped my thief and i do a berser/valkyrie build for a D/D old school build.
I wanna try to focus in wvw with a playstyle like Yishis.
I like his clip a lot, but, today, in playtest, i wonder bout the backstab damage.. a poor 4,8k
( my traits and build is the same of Yishis.. i need just rune of divinity/ traveler to complete it.. ) i remember something like 12k or more..
so, is there a way to improve this damage?? cause this is the only build i like and it s the only one i wanna play.
Llet understand that, if i wanna a brutal noob-friendly pg, i should roll an hammered warrior, but i wish see what i can do with this thief.
Could u help me??
ty a lot

no man.. never play gw1.. so.. i’m looking for a nice sword.. any ideas??

Greetings!!
right now, my mesmer fights with 2 swords, both exotic, but i need a tip about the skin of second sword..
the first one is that of ascalonian dungeon, for the second one, i wanna have a “flaming” effect.. i know the flame gladius.. but it’s too much expansive..
then, i saw the sword of citadel of flame, but hasn’t any kind of “flaming effect”.. but i totally ignore if shine, like the gosthly weapons that u cannot see them shine in “preview”.. don’t remember to have seen it.. so, could this sword be the one i want?

if no, is there something analogue??
thx for answers

i use a mix between phantasmal and shatter build.. 20/30/0/0/20
clones spamm, good damage by phantoms ( not like before), but good.. when i interrupt an enemy, i get 4 seconds of fury; with rune of rage, i pratically have always fury—→ always vigor—→ always clones when dodge..
using f1, f3,f4 i survive more than others!! and is very funny!! ( GS in mh and S/S)
love my mesmer

well.. we have 4 ways to play with condition
1) consume conditions: heal skill—→ heals good and heal more per condition on us, removing them
2) deadly swarm ( 4° dagger, OH)——> bounce between enemies and send up to 3 conditions to them, but it’s bugged.. send ONE condition PER enemie
3)4° staff——> it’s a mark.. when an enemie trigger its, it deals damage and send EVERY condition to the allies in the mark from all enemies in the mark
4) plague signet——> utilities skill ( signet). istantanly send all contions to an enemy ( and the passive effect, theorically steals ALL conditions from ally, but it seems bugged..

well.. we have 4 ways to play with condition
1) consume conditions: heal skill—→ heals good and heal more per condition on us, removing them
2) deadly swarm ( 4° dagger, OH)——> bounce between enemies and send up to 3 conditions to them, but it’s bugged.. send ONE condition PER enemie
3)4° staff——> it’s a mark.. when an enemie trigger its, it deals damage and send EVERY condition to the allies in the mark from all enemies in the mark
4) plague signet——> utilities skill ( signet). istantanly send all contions to an enemy ( and the passive effect, theorically steals ALL conditions from ally, but it seems bugged..so, u can see that your attacks that inflict conditions, are used against you!!

well.. we have 4 ways to play with condition
1) consume conditions: heal skill—→ heals good and heal more per condition on us, removing them
2) deadly swarm ( 4° dagger, OH)——> bounce between enemies and send up to 3 conditions to them, but it’s bugged.. send ONE condition PER enemie
3)4° staff——> it’s a mark.. when an enemie trigger its, it deals damage and send EVERY condition to the allies in the mark from all enemies in the mark
4) plague signet——> utilities skill ( signet). istantanly send all contions to an enemy ( and the passive effect, theorically steals ALL conditions from ally, but it seems bugged..so, u can see that your attacks that inflict conditions, are used against you!!remember that: we have many conditions to use in a fight

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQNAR8clwzaqXUTqGZ9ICKFdH4RSRrlalegbXIvB;T8Ag0ynEOJ9S9lyJKlMKJUyqkTJpSrIGRspA

this is my phantoms and shatter’s build, with GS , S/S.. berserker’s amulet, and jewel except for 2 valkyries..
hit hard and has a lot of suravibility ( a spam of clone, distorsion when we need, and a decent HP)!!
enjoy

yea!! share it!!
anyway.. i leave deadly strenght and blood to power to take 10 points in Reaper (spectral mastery )..
in this way u don’t waste 2 traits

3 pieces of exotic armor give me 12 commandation >_>
lol.. i wasted 10g!!

XD

Tyr.6097:

Guys, we’re fine. Look here, the buff for warriors was important!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ru_rXq2LYg0

_ no word.. i can’t do 20k damages neither in my most erotic dreams!!

too much sadness in this 3d men!! take a look in the necro’s forum!! we’re hangin’!! don’t cry so much!!
anyway, a play a necro and mesmer.. surely mesmer is exiting better than necro from this patch, but:
phantasmal haste doesn’t already work, does it??
i thought they’ve fixed it!!

does spectral grasp work??
till 5 days ago it misses 5 times on 4.. and now??
cause a spectral build need it.. ( combo with spectral wall )

u’re all chickens.. 3 pages of nothing!!
good work Fiesbert.. u had your moment of glory

well… i sadly say: " nothing changes"
time to create an exotic build to my mesmer

c’mon men.. stop to blast him
maybe he’s right
mwahah

man.. just a thing.. if you have a good hand, the worst build can be strongest..
in many game you can say: " yeah, my build is strong"
but in others: " my build sux a lot"
so, let us see build.. anyway, i don’t care that you can win just because of regen

here’s my own: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fQAQNArYWjMap7tbyb07JAJFPf9kis/O6BxHbMA;ToAgyUwYgRAj1HnPSfWeM8YuA

works pretty good.. high survability and hits very hard..
bleeds hasn’t a too much long duration, but be sure that’s enough to make ur enemies down..

the rotation is the classic: BiP, #4 and #5 dagger, #2 of scepter, roll on foe’s face, swap weapon, #2 and #3 of staff ( if need #4 or #5 staff) go to DS and go #2 of DS.. a lot of bleeding stacks plus other condition.. remember to use everytime u need BiP, corrupt boons and epidhemic.

cya

loool.. regenaration?? i have it always.. but, when you receive a backstab… well.. 150 HP per second don’t save you!!
let us see you powerfull build, wan’t you??
then i’ll show you my “powerfullest” ( ahahaha) build XD

finally they’ve fixed spectral grasp

@Frizz:
man, i know!! i rox very much with my necro.. my first enemy reach easy 15 stacks of bleeding and 4/5 stacks the nearby.. then epidemic and we are all happy…

anyway, the point i targeted was: want to play a condi build?? ok, yu have to complete your rotation, that is long!! No other way!! BiP is that you need to boost damages, and, this, i guess, isn’t a strange concept, is it?
we are talking about " is good, isn’t good, i like more corrupt, i like more plague".. i repeat, BiP isn’t Backstab, but you can’t play without: which utility do you choose to use?? a well?? no thanx; a minion? LOL; spectral one? no more a condi buld..

my build for spvp can be usefull in 1vs1 like in 5vs5: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fQAQNAW7YjMap7tbyb07JAJFPf9kis/O6BxHbMA;ToAgyUwYgRAj1HnPSfWeM8YHA

my mesmer build works better if there are other people who let me the chance to stay at the max range possible.
but now, we are OT. The point ins’t" is better BiP or another skill". From my point of view, at the moment, mesmer is better cause has less bugs and mechanics that working better each others and with whole game.
Necro has a lot of bugs, and, most important IMO, some mechanics don’t work each other: the DS is a little useless if you don’t roll a power build. Liche form isn’t the best choice for a conditionmancer, spectral mancer and freezemancer.. but, for a power build is awesome ( 4k/5k damages with autoattack).
According to me, with a couple of changements, necro could be a excellent class. But we need an other gear, and, on this point, i think we are all agree.

@HiSaZuL: i don’t use plague signet since i saw doesn’t work.. i use BiP, ephidemic and corrupt boon, and if i don’t bad remember, are 60 seconds of CD..
i hope the bugs will be fix the first as possible

@HiSaZuL: man, just a word: wanna play a condi mancer without BiP?? u’re crazy.. 4 stacks of bleeding ( 2+2 ) and 10 might ( +12 every dot ). it’s the boost we haven’t. i’m so sorry but it’s the truth..
don’t speack about rangers or guardian.. i can oath you that in 1vs1 necro doesn’t lose automatic.. i spoke about BiP, cause my rotation starts with its
and, if bleeding is worthless means that conditionmancer doesn’t work and then 75% of necros don’t know how play.. my bleeding hurt very well ( BiP, skill 2 scepter, 5 dagger, swap weapon 4 for geomancy, 2 staff, 2 entering DS, 3 2° DS, dodge on his face to cast 2 staff, then repeat again). i agree is a long rotation, but is that!! wanna play a condi mancer in spvp?? wanna roll a condi mancer in wvw?? there are 10 pages of 3d about condi/though/ precision.. but in every build u can see BiP in polp position..
in wvw the condition are surely less harmfull.. cause there are to many ways to heal.
BiP ain’t backstab of course, but is a great boost and a must have for every condi mancer.. like quickness for a melee.. i hope u agree
anywaym if u think people heal their conditions too fast, don’t play a condi build
P.S.: u can cast BiP on a thief using 5 staff and then BiP.
P.S.S.: 12 damages more on every stack for 10 stacks are 120 damages, in 10 seconds are 1200 damages, and 10 stacks is the less u can do

but u cannot deny it… right now obviously

mesmer is the king of spvp.. and, ikittennow how use him, thief too..
mesmer has a good life and an average of armor. good damages, if u specialized on phantoms and because of clones, high survability..

necro has a very good life and armor, but the only build that works is that of condition damages.. the problem is only one: to inflict a lot of bleeding stacks u have to do a long rotation, with a couple of important points ( casting blood is powa, the center of a necro building, for example). it’s mean that, if ur opponent eludes something u are in danger, but u have always to play to save ur life.. spreading conditions can do the difference in a fight..
personally, i guess necro is hard to play.. need a good training and the errors could u do, often, u pay.
some mechanic of necro isn’t optimal to play condi building, but we haven’t too much choices.. if u look for a power building, isn’t the right class.. in the sense that left something to be playable at 100%… next week should be release new patch.. we all togheter hope in significant changments..

anyway, necro is funny to play and leave u a lot of sodisfaction ( expspecially against mesmer and thief)

condicionmancer for spvp

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fQEQNArYWjMap7tbyb07JApHPft1TF+O6BxHbMA;ToAgyU+YgRAj1HnPSYWeM8YGA

i hope u enjoy!!
in 1vs1 i’ve never lost a fight.. sometimes 2vs1, but u have to hope where are no mesmer or thiev, cause a mesmer is a really problem.. also if he’s alone with u.. wasting bleed on his phantoms is a great problem, anyway.. in spvp i rox so much.. the funniest enemies to have a battle are the guardians.. no comment about it

“i loved clock tower” ( seriously )

meanwhile roll thief.. five much of happiness!!
joke obviously

ew do a lot of things, but nothing is done excellent.. so, i’ ll roll a thief and till that i’ll run mesmer.. 2 different worlds

“if i siphon a little more of life i’ll gonna explode”

this night i’ll roll a necro.. it’s gonna be legend

wait for it

dary!!

it’s that i hope.. in the end, other classes make our things better..
how can u build up a power/crit build without fury or might?? mesmer and ranger inflict bleeding with the auto attack!!
need some belancement.. till that, i’ll run mesmer in the mist!! hit hard and die fast!!
necro hit little and die half-fast

men, when u play a non condi build, using BiP make u KO.. or u heal urself or, generally, u haven’t something to heal conditions ( in utilities u have wells and other, weapons, just 4° staff)..
and life blast when u start with high LF is decent.. 2k damages for hit… liche form hit hard, 3.5k, 4k
if u go full condi build, sometimes is not optimal choice and is true, but our power build sux.. we have only one way to give fury, we haven’t berserker and we have might just for BiP or life blast, and BiP is problematic

DS is col, but works only for a power build.. and for minion, but sometimes is a waste of time pushing f1.. i hope will be changing.. more than never i’ll go in the mist with my mesmer, leaving necro in pve, e this is not fun

th problem for a power build is that we have good utilities to inflict damages..
the weapons deal poor damage ( meanwhile other classes deal the highest damages with the weapons ) and minions don’t work, and, i’m pretty sure taht also when they’ll work, nothing change, the condition can be healed to much fast for my taste and wells have a redicolous CD and can be easily dodge.. our traits don’t help in this way.. comparing with other classes, our seems to be uncomplete.. we need a gear
example: DS can be used just for a power build.. for all other is a waste of time push f1

comparing with mesmer: the half of damage in the same time, the copies give a lot of boring, but he can daze u ( 2 times), he can confusing u ( a lot of time), he can be invulnarable for a short time but every 6 seconds with sword, can inflict u a lot of bleeding using phantoms, not our barbed precision ..

comparing with thiev: redicolous damage.. thiev can blast with 5 shots. he can be invisible for the most part of time, and has a good buff e condition

comparing with melee classes: they have whirlwind attack, generally higher life and excllent buff.. we have no buff

comparing with ranger: he can inflict 10 stacks of bleeding with the auto-attack ( need no other worlds)

comparing with eng: he has burning first for all. can be knock u thousand times

we have no buff, we have no quickness, we have no knock attack and our fear sux. weapons don’t do their work..
my 50 cents

ehy man.. i think like u.. but with a difference.. i’m very tire to blast in one second under thieves’s hits.. i feel like there is something to change.. every build i tried had a problem..
how can i win taking 2k damages with a power build against an enemy that with 4 hits gives me 12k damages? 18k and sometimes 23k!!
need to change something..
but, meanwhile i’ll play and swear.. today i roll my mesmer to go pvp.. another game, no words to compare the huge difference between

Levian.6742:

Just tried out this build, it was fairly similar stat wise, but very different play style. My build revolves around DS and critting, and getting the most out of DS, like retaliation and such.

This is a pretty fun build and works pretty well, but how do you keep them in the wells? It seems like nothing that I have for CC works on enemies. I usually open with flesh golem’s charge, its long range and a good knockdown duration, but its also really easily (and quite often) dodged.

If it hits I’ll drop the wells, then try dagger 3, which also seems to have no effect usually. I’m not sure if this is from stability, or getting dodged or not but both this and charge miss VERY often. I’m thinking its from other classes having a good access to stability. I know when I’m fighting a warrior for the whole fight I cant fear, knockdown, or immobilize him at all.

right man.. never works!! and the absurde CD don’t leave you another try..
anyway, i tryed it today.. very fun but i really donno how take conditions off..
it’ s a big problem

i’m a little tired by necro.. everything, also ain’t bugged, has problems..
wells with CD too high, weapons don’t incisive.. left something..
unlike others classes we have worse bonuses.. like this 2%.. pretty useless.. but the curse tree is always a must in every build…

6k damage in 4 second?? lol!!!

@hexd: axe sux cause don’t do nothing.
r u happy now?

i tryed axe in pvp.. the positive thing is that u haven’t to reach ur enemy.. but, range sux, damage sux and vulnerability sux!! what the mess!!
dagger is more usefull than axe, but, u have to reach ur enemy with auto attack, the third skill is situational and in the end the only usable skill is the second one.. with a poor range..
really donno.. necro wasn’t created to do DPS.. of course, is very funny to do ( finally use DS and Liche form ), but u haven’t right weapon skills, u haven’t right utility skill ( talking about wells?? no thx )…
better axe or dagger?? better staff surely

sorry man, but power build needs a good DS——> reaping tree
needs a lot of critical damage—-> reaping tree
needs a lot of LF ( staff, but without greater marks is useless )

something like this: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fQEQRBHhhG1IjWlenm2GDfiA6xuevziUUshRpAerD;TEAg0A

but, wells have rediculous CD, axe has one good skill,
with this, i use the staff, with greater marks:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fQEQRBHhhG1IjWlenm2GDniQqwzgesr37soCFjSx6YHA;TEAg0A

the last one, i guess is that with 20% reduction of wells CD
i don’t see any other build

Xomic.5792:

TanMan.1374:

Why does everyone want to run a condition build and are so against a power build?

I’m much more likely to run a power build than a condition build currently, because I’m trying to force myself to use DS as much as possible, which benefits greatly from power builds rather than condition. But I’ve used conditionmancer in the past and I understand the problems inherent to a 25 stack cap for bleeds.

a power build is the only way to use DS and liche form good..

ye.. i ’ve seen later..
the frustreting thing is that we are not done to be DPS, but liche form and DS are based on DPS build.. sadness..
losing both is like losing a part of the class

R E F L H E X.8413:

It seems as if necros and eles forget about the protection and other things they get to hide behind.

Necros have a ton of protection and that will mitigate a lot of thief damage. Thiefs have none, no protection and get stealth where they still are hit and die in it quite often. I have quite a few screens where my necro killed 3 people at the same time maybe even one of four people at the same time.

While I do think that classes shouldn’t have to spec defensively to be really viable, and that glass cannons should last longer on the field for the most part, this is not a problem that is exclusively to the thief you need to think more about the games damage as a whole.

good for you mate, if 3 people don’t kill you, wow!!!.. but if, with 21k of life and 2.1k of armor, u can inflict 18k damages to me.. i give up.. nothing to say.
a skill CANNOT inflicts to much damages. no brain. everytime a thiev kills me i see the same skill: heartseeker..
no sense

copy and search on google

Xomic.5792:

I’d rather just see a stack of 25 bleeds turn into something like a greater bleed. IE upon reaching 25 bleeds the game removes them and replaces them with a single ‘greater bleed’ which has the same intensity as the bleeds it’s replacing but in a separate package allowing a second stack of bleeds to be generated.

like to say: don’t limit the stacks.. not the same thing but really near..
i think that necro has one own charateristic: DS. In fact we haven’t a particular attack ( think about the turret of ingeneering, or the mesmer’s clones ) that ain’t the DS.. unfortunaly for a condition build, or a minion build isn’t too important..
a cool changing could be a developed of other 3 DS ( f1, f2, f3, f4), everyone for a kind of build, or, like necrosis, something exclusive to our class

“oh, one thief is hiding at my back and wanna seek my heart with his blade”

do u know how u’ll never heard it??
cause is too long to speach.. durely die first O_O

i play a necro ( RIP ), but can easily win sometimes also 2vs1, but just a thief is enough to kitten me.. no word.. 21k of damage.. just one question… why??
and why he can and i cannot??

ilarious mode off: ok, he has poor life and small armor.. but 21k of damage + stealth.. there are few things to do to save.. sometimes u haven’t the time…

ok, but u’re sure with every mark gains 3 LF.. there are a lot of circustances that people don’t die when u need.. have 25% every hit to gain LF ain’t bad.. but is just 1%..
life transfer helps if u are already in DS..

anyway, ain’t this the discourse.. like i told u before, i had not read that was for WvW.. i like it, but for my playstyle i change something.. of course, power build is the better ( and only way ) to use DS.. and in WvW it’s very cool.. but for experience, the marks without the right trait are very useless.. too little.. but i cannot how make them begger and let the entire build works so good