Guild Wars 2

Drednyte.7601:

@Sumwun.3846 on upgrading/defending

Mate, i know your pain. It’s something I always mention in chat over and over. Good exampled was the huge SM fight last night. I got on, nothing upgraded, no trebs/ballista on platforms, and of course no supplies as folks kept taking it. I think I mentioned it in chat around 20 times before it finally clicked. But by then Kain had 2 walls down to 5-10% and Ferg was knocking at the door too, bit late, but heck maybe some of the folks there took note so it doesnt happen again.

For those who like to zerg for xp/karma here’s a tip: you get way more by defending than you’ll ever get by zerging. Want the #s? If you stay at a point long enough you’ll get, for lack of a better way to state it, a hidden buff. You’ll get a bronze ribbon with xp/karma/etc. Dont leave…literally 3 mins later you’ll get another ribbon…3 mins later another ribbon….and on and on and on. If you have a decent zerg you can get say 100k exp in an hour, roughly. Defending one point for an hour after you get that first ribbon you can get upwards of 10K xp/255 karma…roughly 200k xp! I leveled from 40-62 that way.

Best part of it was while i was getting the xp/karma i wanted…i spent time building siege, upgrading, defending….ie: something that worked for the team as a whole not just something for me.

Well, thanks for what you do behind the lines and please keep it up and encourage others to do it. I’ll keep doing my part and run the maps checking on upgrades and status and spending my hard earned gold as needed.

Thanks man. The more we talk about it the more people will think about it. I look forward to share a map with you.

Nabarue.3290:

This is one of the reasons I sometimes don’t make it to the front line until an hour or so after I log into WvW. The VERY first thing I do is make a run to everything we own and make sure Oil is built, upgrades are moving, and siege is placed. And when we successfully repel an attack, my very first order of business is to start repairs. I am often in constant communication with Zendaya or Kota to know where and when I am needed to fortify and defend, as I share your feelings on the importance of every tower and keep.

I have often flirted with the idea of starting my own Corps of Engineers dedicated to doing just this. Doesn’t have to be many people, maybe 5 or so, but it would make all the difference when the Kains or Fergs come knockin.

I hear what you’re saying, and your post was worded well. It’s not saying that we as a server are BAD at doing this, it just means we need to improve upon this particular area.

Actually Sprocket, I see you and ZAsh (as I call him) often, working the map. I love Z’s style, he is one of the few “commanders” I see multitasking a map. (I put commanders in quotes because Z isnt actually one, it’s not a dig) I have mentioned Z many times to my guild mates as well. "If you are out there and ZAsh is running a map, work with him, you are in good hands. "

I always enjoy seeing the two of you out there.

I too try to visit our towers and get upgrades going, but you will agree more of us need to do it. I preach it. Last week our zerg was more interested in zerging then defending, when I asked if anyone was going to upgrade the keep, everyone offered it to me. As if I wasn’t going to be the first person to buy the first upgrade to begin with.

( I tend to think Walls/Door before oil) but I get my silver in there and do what I can. Normally I am in DRB or EB , depending on where my guild is, but I have a very difficult time going to the other borderlands. Especially if ours isn’t locked down. I’m very defensively minded.

The two southern towers on all the borderlands are just amazing pieces of real estate if you want constant combat without having to zerg. 5 people and close to one gold in upgrades can get you hours of bad kitten combat, Karma, and silver to compensate for the upgrades.

I hope to grab a tower tonight.

Ender.3508:

xD

Had a feeling you were in [SoCo] but alas you have no sig so I couldn’t be sure.

:)
I’m not doing anything to warrant a sig.

I’m just talking battle sense, hoping others will grab on.

Ender.3508:

Some of my guild and I were running with [SoCo] last night in EB. Those guys have thier stuff together when it come to defense. We fought off 2 zergs at least twice as big at Durios, and then a huge FC zerg at quentin. It was pretty empowering.

Ahh.. That was you in our TS. ..

Ahh.. That was you in our TS. ..

I’m not sure where to post seeing we don’t have an actual forum. I tend to look at this thread as a home.

Do we have any people on DR who defend? I know we have some, I see it, but do we have anyone that actually sees benefit in building up and holding down a tower that will force others to come and try to take it? (meaning in an important location)

A tower is almost as vital as a supply camp. A dedicated Tower team can hold, upgrade and defend against 4 to 1 odds or greater if they are working together. A tower team can hold, upgrade and defend a supply camp as well with the right set up.

You can earn a ton of karma, badges and silver defending almost as well as running in a zerg train. The trick is digging in at the right place at the right time and a few people interested in making it work. Granted this method requires more effort than being led by the hand in zerg format, capping, and losing most in your wake. But the battles are usually very very fun. the cosr is minimal to get a tower up and running and you can make an impact on what is going on around you.

It seems we have a lot of Commanders now, is anyone preaching this to people who only listen to a blue icon?

Edit: Not a Gripe thread.

I am trying to find more like minded people to join out in the killing fields. I’m not a zerg guy. At heart, I am support and tactics.

NealCaffrey.6450:

We’ll see if Kaineng can hold it throughout the day after SoS passes out.

haha not going to happen once the 9-5ers in DR get out for the weekend! we only need a few hours to slow it down.

scooby treat.8420:

Ferg person here (and I don’t talk for the server just myself) and to be honest i’m really sick of both DR and Kain server so I hope one of you moves up. As a ferg when we were top we got moved and you know what we got our &%#! handed to us for a week. Moving up a bracket hurts especially when it was against DH (we lost alot of PvP players that week as well).

I was really hoping that Kain would have moved up with all their EGO last week but alas I was annoyed that you didn’t (I personally think you needed it but I think ANET wants to pamper you like a little fluffy kitten as their… precious). DR I really hope you move up this week also. A huge PvP guild moves to your server and your in 1st and you act like they had nothing to do with and everyones attitude seems to STINK including PRO’s. All your bashing and crying back and forth between each other i’m tired of hearing it on this post and tired of your puffed chested move up a bracket and get your !#%% handed to you.

I log in and see that Ferg has the outmanned buffs and Kain has taken everything but DR’s home map and DR is not even challenging them? Hmm who was crying yesterday about teams working together?? Anyhow whatever just one of you move up (i’m sure it would be DR as they look to win) so that I don’t have to listen to this junk you people are posting in a 3 way WvW post.

You sound like an embittered sore loser. both DR and K have been land blasted back to the future on more than one week. actually up until a few weeks ago, there wasn’t even a contest when ferg came to give BOTH servers their bi-weekly beating.

As Long as I don’t see a DR video or some over blown hoo-ra to celebrate the win you are way off. People on DR should be excited and it’s not just pro. if pro moved to DR and the rest of DR moved to ferg, and DR still won, all props to PRO, that didn’t happen, so it not just them. It’s the server.

Drednyte.7601:

I think i see a pattern of what’s happened between PRO and a few other guilds/commanders/players.

- prior to PRO coming to DR the server fell rapidly to bottom rank. failed miserably in WvW. (just stating a fact, not ego boosting or anything. check the official ranking numbers)
- PRO transfered in, landed a solid team to motivate players to get organized and focus on the same objectives.
- Other commanders and/or guilds got ruffled and felt that PRO was “taking over” (as someone stated) and we were “bossing” folks around

Now lemme try to clarify something without point fingers and calling names. PRO is the sole reason this server turned around and won this week.

Did we do it alone, heck no! we had awesome teamwork

This is why people are jumping at you. You are misinformed and narrow sighted if you believe pro is the sole reason. I don’t think you actually believe this. I just think you are being a blow hard. The server population has been on the incline in WvW it was a matter of time before we saw improvement.

That being said, pro absolutely helped the server, sped things up and provided a massive push towards this weeks win. I look forward to seeing the pink hats sail off server next week and see how we all kick kitten together next week with a semi-settled population.

We are far from perfect, people. Both sides of this ridiculous pro / anti-pro crap that this thread has turned into need to figure out a way to work together. This means being willing to adapt, on both sides.

We have a win this week, can we not see that it’s not about a single alliance, Guild, or Commander and everyone played a part.

I have been lucky enough to miss all this drama, I got to see lots of great names move up this week and help push for a win. I’m excited.

Good Job DR, let’s try to avoid making an obnoxious video. It’s only the first of many wins to come. Get out there and congratulate your realm mates, they helped.

Stick around and make an impact then.

Actually,

If anyone is out there reading, I would love to see a score update.

SpaceLord.4590:

Thanks Sumwun. It is not about winning to me at all. (Proof of that is that I have tried SF, AR and now DR lol) No offense meant to any of those servers but they are not necessarily WvW powerhouses. I did enjoy most of my time on both of those servers. Just trying to see what is out there before I commit.

First and formost no Queue time is important to me.

Next, it is spirit and coordination. I understand there will always be mistakes and bad moves, it is par for the course. As a whole commanders need to understand what is needed, and by that I mean..zerg..zerg…zerg is not the answer.

Last night DR had good commanders in the field, at least where I was. Very promising.

DR’s been growing up. People are beginning to recognize names in chat and a lot of egos are getting put aside in the name of building something larger. This is the first time I recall DR on top. and the last two weeks are the only two I remember that it wasn’t total blow out.

I previously mentioned that I noticed lots of lowbies on our server, so in a month or so I think we will see a decent increase in our WvW population again. I’m in no rush, I’m just making predictions.

This weeks match has been incredibly close and the Fregs are growing on me, I rather enjoy our match mates, I’m not in too much of a rush to replace this.

SpaceLord.4590:

You know it is really hard to tell. I am not sure if PRO’s move is temp (bad matchup for GOM against YAK’s) or if they are looking for a new home. Guess that would be for them to answer.

I myself am bouncing around looking at different servers to finally settle down. Been on SF, AR, and now DR. Liked what I saw last night on DR, gonna stay awhile and see how it goes

Started on Aspenwood, moved to DR when it opened up to link up with some others who we know. DR sucked, very very quiet, and dead. left DR to look at SoS and IoJ. Missed my pals on DR and came back.

The last two weeks have been astounding for server growth / development. we’ve come a long way. If you enjoy the idea of helping build something up and being able to look back on it and see how far it’s come; DR is your server.

Man, Lot’s more Ferg activity last night than I remember all weekend. You all sleep in? vacation? go back.

I personally don’t care if we swap at the bottom as long as the fights are getting closer and better, and they are. we have moved past the days of our server being completely incapable of holding the 3 north supply camps to having our borderlands almost on complete lock down. That’s progress.

A little more proactive work and we will be moving up. many of our efforts are based in reactionary format. We need a few more people getting in front of the ball. Not chasing it.

It doesn’t take a commander to run through a zone capping things that have just been capped. anyone can do that. loss prevention, I would like to see someone flex this. People will get it. Those that already do get it, be patient and iterate often. remond people

Oil is not better than a reinforced door or keep.
keep out of the tower supplys
upgrade
call out numbers ( ZERG ON GARRISON ) offers zero information. Internet people use tropes regardless of their meaning and how well they do or not apply to an event, person, description.
tell people whats going on, report groups that you see, share numbers. Communication is more important than anything else.
15 men can take out 30, 40 or even 60 if they are prepared and communicating.

Sirenic.4275:

PRO is in ferg today.

Not much defense… oh well :[ When is ferg active?

Our goal today is to get all orbs but there seems to be a bugged orb in ferg? lame

Ferg has been very quiet. this week it seems. and I watched the Ferg Orb bug out about 4 times on Saturday while someone was making for it.

ktith.6197:

If anything, you guys at PRO, should have found out who the major WvW players are (guilds) and should have had a conversation with them to break the ice….not pull some (not everyone was doing it) of that Elitist craptasticness that some of your people were (PRO Members in EB). We don’t care what server you have come from (well we might depending)…but you’re on our server and disrespecting people here does not earn you any respect.

They are. I personally received a message from PRO “management” and he told me that’s what they were working on doing and they were trying to reach out. It will not happen over night. I never saw any of the PRO pissing contests. But I am willing to bet it’s not 100% one sided. I know DR members can get lippy when ego starts to ride high.

I have seen a few large guilds move to the server to “fix” it’s pvp situation. Most leave. PRO got here on a good weekend and I firmly believe that they helped on whatever map they were on because we had the numbers to get Stone Mist and keep it mostly overnight. It’s a baby step. Let’s get along with these guys and keep them around. I get the feeling they are here to RvR with us and not make it a PRO blowhard celebration hype train. If that’s the case, let’s be grateful we got a large guild who doesn’t think they are the answer to all our prayers and let’s have DR stomp a mudhole into Ferg and K collectively.

Someone offered me 200 in gems to convince you that you are wasting your time.

Ender.3508:

Oh man, I couldn’t agree more. I noticed an ego trip between one of our commanders and one from PRO. Everyone was talking kitten like “Oh you guys just got here, you don’t know what you’re doing” etc. But the guys from PRO was giving solid solid advice that our commander should have been listening to.

That kinda crap has to stop, but sadly I don’t see a solution to stop bad commanders from doing dumb things.

Some of this kicked up in EB as well at one point. I don’t really remember between who and who. but a few of us broke it up and everyone got back on track. We have some bad commanders, we also have bad players who rant in all caps. Just like we have good commanders and people who lead well even without the book. It’s important for us to learn who is who and how to benefit from the ones who offer less.

we’re stuck together.

Man, what a weekend.
I think DR grew up a lot this past weekend. The Addition of PRO to the server certainly provided an impact in this. Much like Siren stated, I didn’t see PRO overly active in EB this past weekend. It doesn’t mean that they weren’t out wrecking kitten. I got to run with PRO a little this weekend yesterday and I enjoyed how the two commanders I was with did things.

The attack on Stone Mist from the DR side was a collaborative effort between multiple guilds and lots and lots of additional realm mates. What I saw coming out of DR this weekend was awesome! DR just work together very very well.

I will admit, I am tremendously let down that one of our largest guilds was more interested in running an advertised XP train in Ferg while pvpers were at Stone Mist.
Very let down. Very Very let down. You should be ashamed that your name gets mixed into so much credit when you aren’t supporting a fraction of the hype you generate.

That being said. I was present for 3 high ranking guild leaders to join in TS to further coordinate, while working with a commander out on the map running a zerg. It was nice to see so much teamwork.

DR did a fantastic job this weekend and I hope we keep with it. One thing I did notice a lot of that we will need to work on is, we have far too many commanders who want to jump off the map once they have zerged it clean. Often the map is not fortified at all. Often, most of the towers are left without a thought of building them up. Often people forget that Camps need to be watched at all times.

When a zerg jumps to another map, you leave the current map abandoned. and unprepared to deal with even a small group of XP training fools.

Take the map, delegate people to remember to build. it’s a team effort out there. if you dare to yell “all on me” you should dare to follow through with your leadership. Little things like this add up and help change things. This is stuff that matters, even if you can’t brag about it in map chat.

we are all to thank for our success. We are all to blame for stupid, avoidable mistakes.
Running by a tower? pop in, look at its status, and share that information. buy an upgrade, or ask for donations. people will help.

I’m astounded so many people are trying to deflate this for K lol. I think it’s pretty ugly.

thenoobler.7540:

smiljem.4632:

@ Nabarue- Exactly. Congrats Kaineng, you have destroyed the fun balance we had going on this week. Quit boasting now that you have huge WvW numbers on Ferg and DR. You are not the underdog in this bracket. You will also get demolished if you are moved up for next week.

Lets not forget that Fergs is still in the lead, and will still win this matchup.

You speak as if Fergs has been pounded into the ground, which it has surely not been.

Kaineng and DR both are still underdogs.

Kaineng is still lowest pop server in the game.

We just have a plan and are putting it into action of funelling our newer lowby players into WvW to show them how much fun it is. Guess what? they come back when they have fun.

IMO, Population for K is no longer an issue. lower pop or not, I think K has as many if not more PvPers than DR, and it’s starting to look like in weeks to come will probably crawl out of last place.

DR has a lot of lowbies, a lot. I will see a spike in our representation as well.

We still need Oceanic peeps if we want to become more than what we are.

smiljem.4632:

Sumwun.3846:

smiljem.4632:

@ Nabarue- Exactly. Congrats Kaineng, you have destroyed the fun balance we had going on this week. Quit boasting now that you have huge WvW numbers on Ferg and DR. You are not the underdog in this bracket. You will also get demolished if you are moved up for next week.

This week is the closest thing to a balanced match I have seen this division have. I can’t believe so many poor sports wishing to take away a moment of pride or accomplishment.

No. It has been close, and that was fun. Until today. Look up the scores. Its 670 to 15 to 10. That is not competition.

its 1 o’clock Eastern. DR is a ghost town till later in the day. This isnt new. K went and got people to play at this time. green team almost always owns the map at this time. DR needs the same.

High pop servers have people on around the clock. low population capping is part of the game. K is finally getting a shot to NOT be on the receiving end of it. considering we have been floating at the bottom of the toilet together for so long, I am happy for them.

All this says is that DR can do it too.

smiljem.4632:

@ Nabarue- Exactly. Congrats Kaineng, you have destroyed the fun balance we had going on this week. Quit boasting now that you have huge WvW numbers on Ferg and DR. You are not the underdog in this bracket. You will also get demolished if you are moved up for next week.

This week is the closest thing to a balanced match I have seen this division have. I can’t believe so many poor sports wishing to take away a moment of pride or accomplishment.

It’s Amazing to see how far K has lept in the last two weeks. DR needs a few more guilds from EU!

Norn has helped me become a fantastic “blind” jumper.

@ ender – Maybe DR should start a recruitment campaign xD. Seriously, you guys are all heart, but you have the brains to back it up. I’d really like to see you take this matchup. -

I am with you man. Not sure where to begin on this, but I am happy to help and confident I can.

How much a fool and I to have thought this thread was a tribute to the classic KISS hit I Want you.

In the morning I raise my head
and im thinking of days gone by
and the thing I want out of life is..

I WANT YOU!
baby, baby, baby
I WANT YOU!

you can run you can hide but you level get away!!!!
you can lie and deny but you know you’re gunna pay!!!

yea stay put north easterners Let them come here. our server hardware is better and faster.

It’s has been a surprisingly “less brutal” week than I expected, tbh. Last night we had a very nice mix of red, green, and blue on the map. I missed out on most of the DRB fighting, but I watched it closely. Bravo to those who held the orb. Quite a few of us were glued to the map for quite some time.

I saw a large amount of 3 way battles and it was really fun to see some of these brawls kick up.

After all the chatter with some of the people involved in this weeks match up, from across the servers, and guilds. It was a bit of a different feeling for me last night. in a good way.

Had a blast, looking forward to the weekend.

@Zaq – I’m not sure what I can do. I’m not too sure on anything at the moment. That’s why I am here, posting, ranting, trying to find other people who feel the same. Perhaps help get people thinking of alternatives. I don’t know where to go, or who I should be going to. I like to think my posts today have potentially helped. I don’t think this is a one person job, we all have our part. I’m watching? I’m learning who is who on my Team? I’m a good communicator. If I can help two lines meet and connect, I’ve done something, I suppose.

I want to help. I try to help. It’s still early, and in my eyes, there is little need to make Alliances, and pacts this early in the game. There is far to much settling to be done. Others would be wise to watch who is who out there as well, friends can be made without contracts. Those are going to be the people who are there to lean on when the cute little kittens get fed to mean nasty and sharp fan.

Once we are all stuck together, we are going to be stuck together.

bugged forum post…

Draygo.9473:

Also, considering the way the point system is setup we have to go after you on some level or we will never catch ferg. Previously I was trying to get an event going on thursday if the points werent close where we both have some fun at green teams expense. If you are interested we can try to make it happen again.

…AND these are exactly the moments I am not expecting to stop when suggesting the servers don’t cut each others noses off.

I like this K rep far more then the first few I met.

SniffyCube.6107:

Spy? no. I moved my whole guild to the other server after all of the drama in kaineng’s wvw. Did we use spies? you can msg any one of my guild and we did not. In fact, there are only one or two people still in kaineng server. So if you want to bash me for that and try to use that as an excuse then so be it but you’re wrong and that’s flat out ignorance. We left because of drama and felt that DR had a better community … we were one of the guilds trying to help kaineng since the beginning.

KWBH, and I’m smilingknight

Not going to bother reading about the slander. Was hoping to work with kaineng against ferguson’s but I see like always they just attack DR instead of working against an opponent that outnumbers them.

Also, if you would notice we haven’t attacked kaineng except in our devonas rest battlegrounds… so stupid smh

Smilingknight is NOT the commander I watched nose dive DRB with a full fledged exodus off OUR map.

I haven’t even seen him or observed him lead yet. Threads like this are good for airing out and starting talks. Pardon my hijack.

While my apology lacks sincerity, it isn’t intended to be snarky.

JMOR.3708:

I have a question for the Kaineng folk in the thread.

Last night, October 14th, I saw what can only be described as Kaineng and Ferg actively working together to stop DR forces in the EB. On several occassions, our force attacking the castle was raided by both Kain and Ferg zergs. This within itself is a non-issue, but the aforementioned zergs would not attack eachother; instead, they soley went after DR people.

Any explanations on this?

Honestly, I think it’s more about Kaineg becoming more of a fighting force than in weeks past. I saw Kaineg and Ferg beat the snot out of each other a few times because they both wanted the same thing. sadly DR was already in that thing.

True story:

After our heroic commander left DRB to fight smaller forces with his zerg, DRB was bordering on being defenseless. I kid you not, map chat fell into silence. and the map was over run by K and Ferg.

Longview was the last keep we had and Ferg came up from the camp west of it to take the keep. While we were fighting off Ferg from inside the keep ( maybe 10 players and two arrow carts) K came in from the south (from the garrison) and beat almost beat Ferg into the ground. when all of a sudden another large grp of Freg players shows up from the SAME direction K came from and crushed them.

Meanwhile, K and Ferg didn;t even take a shot at us. I literally stood there and watched while I told my guild about it. I took no damage and I was standing next to an arrow cart on top of the gate.

Neither team cared about us. they wanted to kill each other because they wanted that keep. the DR defenders and that keep were secondary because both teams knew we were already beaten.

They aren’t working together, we are now in the way of their fight if we don’t act carefully.

Heya Noobler,

The guild I’m a member of isn’t currently prepared to step out into the realm of Alliance. We are watching how the server is shaking out and what kind of creme we get. I too share a similar feeling about not getting on K unless it’s something we need to do. I’m not for invasions on K (without reason)

I attempted to get some chatter last week, but it was met with a wall. as astounding as it may sound to some, agreeing not to be kittens to each other does not mean we need to meet at our respective borders and hug and kiss and exchange gift baskets. unfortunately the unimaginative have a difficult time seeing gray or not supporting one side to the extreme.

K is growing, I see it, I’m even a bit envious. What I am fearful of is that Devona’s may soon reap the same unwarranted beatings it gave K when we had a number advantage. all this really does for either server is keep them in the lowest bracket longer. That’s not even taking into consideration the butterfly effect we suffer with willy-nilly pink hat PvPers who jump ship at sign of the first wave of resistance and the shock of loss.

If we have a spy gamer among us, I’m not too sure there is enough internal Police or Community to combat that yet. Devona has a lot of new players in the low levels still. I’ve been scoping out the zones. once they hit we will have more numbers but I think we will be going though a long phase of learning how to fight before we get out of the stink hole and put you back in last place.

two weeks ago I dont think DR had any commanders on the map. now I see about 4 or 5 out there. the impression I am left with is that if you are not with the zerg, you are not helping. That’s the first thing DR needs to over come.

I’m not out here trying to smear people. I’m out here trying to get people thinking. realizing that when we want to get something done we cant all be in the same place is a pretty large first lesson. and we got a ton of people sleeping in class.

Prestegist.5948:

I dont like the word zerg either. Its a stupid word imo. But i dont really have an alternative. I dont agree with mob, because when i think of mob i think of creatures and npcs. But o well. I doubt itll ever be changed from zerg anyways.

I think the word Zerg is being used to it’s fullest potential. its far easier to say there is a zerg headed south than trying to describe the large group of roaming toolbags blindly capping and moving onward like EXP starved Locust.

Zerg is a good word, it’s accurate and in line with the tactic that it was given the name for in the first place.

If someone wants to lead a mob, or a team, or a squad and they are anti zerg, they will use the word they want to replace the negative vibe provided by the word Zerg.

Nabarue.3290:

Well, this was an interesting read.

And Sumwun, you stated the problem with Devona’s Rest perfectly. We defeat ourselves. It’s been proven that when we DRs decide to get our heads out of the sand and start giving our enemies a run, we do just that, and we do it well. (Who are you, btw, Sumwun? I run with Zen Ashwood quite often, and I too can attest to the fact that he’s one of the best commanders around.)

As for this Commander from Kaineng and his guild. I know who we’re speaking of here, I fought with him last night, and well, I’m not sure what to think yet (he did lead me to my untimely demise a few times, but despite that I’m still trying to give the guy a fair chance). But hey, time will tell.

Heya Sprocket,

I can be found playing Yorgy. I often often see you out there was well, Sprocket. . Your’s is a name that I associate with teamwork, Someone trying to help Devona’s Rest, not eRep your name.

To reinforce my bloated Opinion about defense I will offer two additional examples.

Before Server reset last week, I had a little more than a gold and a half on me. I sued that gold and a little bit of chatter to get maybe 3-5 dedicated players help me build up the SouthWest Keep and Camp. We built up the gate, the walls and had a siege layout set up that prevented all 10 attempts to capture that keep futile. We talked among ourselves in /say while communicating with with map. updates went out to the zerg when large numbers moved in and they could normally finish capping their supply camp and get south in time to prevent a cap (when the numbers were too large) Invaders were unable to use siege against us, we were too well defended, and any attempt failed. We had that keep until I went to bed.

This weekend our guild moved to take the SouthEastern keep. The map was far more active and we had to work harder to keep our supply camp but we did a great job of it. We kept that keep till the wee hours of the morning. K was never able to get in, and neither was Ferg (after they took the west side of the map) We even noticed other players sticking around to help, asking what they could do to help more. There was a steady stream of players in and out of the supply camp, our siege went up and we defended!!

K visited and couldn’t get in, but did we fightI Ferg eventually killed off K and they too were unable to get in.

When you want to keep your land, you defend it, when you defend it, 3 to 1 odds are winnable. I saw it proven twice in less than 7 days.

Dream In A Dream.7213:

Sumwun, you are right about horrible leadership yesterday.
Of course it didn’t help that no one listens. But yes the whole let’s just leave to another BG since there are too many of them here was kitten I won’t name names but those commanders should be demoted if that was a possibility.

I agree, you should be able to turn off the icon on your map for Commanders who are obviously people who had some real life cash and a need for a blue icon. The breaking point for me was the Triumphant return to DRB by said nameless commander, when the players on the map who didn’t leave started working together and took the north back.

He entered the scene with a nice big “LET’S DO THIS.” The complete opposite of the "There are too many invaders to deal with, what should we do? .. EVERYONE TO FERG MAP!! "

Crickets…

Random player: just got here, whats going on
Person who didnt leave: The Zerg just left the map because there were too many people attacking us, so now we are getting face kitten from all directions. "
Random other players: lol, it’s true.

Devona’s Rest beats itself in WvW. Right now the only name I will take any orders from is Z Ashwood. and he isn’t a commander. he gets on the map, takes a look and starts suggesting what we need to do. while doing this, he is noticeably thinking about areas of the map where he is not. And much to his credit, his PROactive approach gets results.

Nobody else does that. Most of our “blue icons” are interested in leading a zerg, and capping. I haven’t seen a single commander delegate defense, tell Zerglings to break off and build up keeps. Most of our Blue Icons can all be heard saying "ALL on ME! " , EVERYONE go <insert place>. go go Whole map react power!

not until we get some people out there thinking about more than capping and Exp training Devona’s Rest is going to be beating itself into last place.

when a server more than doubles your players base in WvW you can not expect to win anything long term with Zerg mentality.

If Ferg has our orb at the Bay, we cant go hit the gate with arrows and maces and expect to get that orb back. I saw countless arrow cart deaths at the wall of Bay. but everyone insisted, "get the orb. " I read “I want that orb” and watched our zerg get wiped over and over until it literally retreated off the map. By the time Siege started getting dropped, it wasnt even getting built. – I have a hard time understanding this, considering I am constantly watching DR take supply from keeps and running off to .. who knows what.

Ferg controls the whole south of the map. they have crept up the west side of the map and taken the west most supply camp. Meanwhile 30 people without siege expect to take the orb back. They have more supply than we do! they have more numbers. We lack the ability to zerg and defend in a 100% reactionary fashion. 30 people on one gate? Zero defense on keeps, now we are losing all supply camps. and now K is working its way North as well.

Without taking keeps and fortifying we will constantly get stepped on. we give larger Armys nothing to slow them down. Then we feed them bags of loot like fools as we run at a gate and smash our faces into it.

I am not implying that we can flip a switch and bam! we are winning the week and off to a new tier. we are small. and we need to accept that. we need to first think about keeping invasions out. That will never happen if, on Friday, after reset, our commanders Egos require they go run around EB and cap as much as they can while building up and defending nothing in their wake.

I know about populations. please spare population defense arguments. If we don’t move past that crutch we won’t move.

achilleez.2750:

Temple of Verdance still appears to be broken after 1st October patch.

Still broken, any response from ANet would be nice. at least move the Karma vendor.

I would love to know who the Commander/Guild leader is thats now on DR playing Spy games. Not So much to point fingers, but to maybe answer a few quandaries I had crop up on me this weekend.

Sunday, I saw some pretty horrendous leadership happen in DRB and watch our map get flooded by Blue and Green after someone decided that our map was a lost cause and plucked a zerg and other monkeys to another zone where they would have less resistance.

in a matter of 15 min, Longview was the only piece of property DRB had left.

The low population of Devona’s Rest is only a small fraction of the problem we have.

Fubuki.7162:

Sumwun.3846:

After seeing the average WvW player though I just don’t think we have the proper drive, ambition, or mindset to actually pull that off consistently.

And much to the dismay of some of the all knowing posters in this tread…

..and reaching out and finding like minded people. Sadly this thread brought out more puffy chested loud people than others who see where I am coming from.

Easy tiger.

Most of the thread is agreeing with what you’re saying, and I think you’re too upset about the state of WvW on DR to realize it. Even when someone agrees with you you get defensive and sling insults. That was not our intent.

In my initial reply I told you try to get your server to stay out of Kaineng. The point was to illustrate that what you’re wanting is virtually impossible. If you’re goal is to get two entire servers to get on board with a plan to work together, you’re setting yourself up for failure. You can’t control what anyone else does. You can only affect yourself and try to lead by example, and until you get DR on board with your ideas, you need to completely forget about what’s going on with Kaineng.

I feel in your frustration, you’ve forgotten a few important details:

1) BP has more players than DR and Kaineng combined. They can be in all 4 zones at once. We can’t. And Kaineng is losing a HUGE guild this weekend from what I hear so it’s going to be even worse next week when we both face FC (who’s much stronger than BP). Teaming up doesn’t guarantee either one of us a victory over the 3rd server. One of us are still going to be in last place, and that brings me to my next point.

2) Kaineng and DR are enemies. Our job is to beat you. While sometimes it makes sense to work together strategically, we are not allies. Usually I ignore DR, but when you enter KBL you’re Kill On Sight. Sometimes I even attack one of you just because I don’t like the hat you’re wearing that day.

3) Most importantly, remember, this is just a game. Don’t let it get to you. It’s supposed to be entertainment, an escape from real life problems.

I haven’t played much this week because my father was in the hospital. They actually moved him across the state to a hospital not far from here so I’ve been able to go visit him. The time away from the computer in the evenings is a good “reset” from the silly stuff we sometimes let ourselves get sucked into when we play these games.

He’s currently on his way back home and doing well, so there’s a much higher chance you’ll be able to kill me more often in the evenings now. I’m the good looking, well dressed shrubbery seen here:

http://kaineng.tumblr.com/post/33229859125/fubuki-2-0-ive-been-having-a-lot-of-fun-on-my

Stay out of Kaineng BL. Spread the word.

Fub

relax polymath.

1. I understand the populations. I’m not stupid. I’m not looking for a hand holding hug fest.

2. I understand war. I’m not stupid. I’m not looking for a hand holding hug fest.

3. I know it’s a game. people annoy me, not the game. I wasn’t looking for a hand holding hug fest.

I don’t know what to tell you.

My interactions with you leave me feeling like.

1. you are a know it all.
2. you like to talk about yourself
3. you are probably a very smart person IRL. I think this because you seem to only pay a small attention to what I said and assumed in the rest of it, without actually looking for some clarification.
4. you like to tell people things far too much.
5. I also get a hint that you think anything negative I said in here was pointed to you.

I came here looking to to see if pressure could be relieved for both servers. You began dismissing that immediately. so in my eyes, you are the part of the very problem you said exists that makes this not work.

so hey!! good for you, you win!

I know you tried to joke with me near the end, but I’ve lost any interest in being whimsical with you.

Thanks again for all your support, help and positive reinforcement.

I’m overjoyed I got to meet you.

Sumwun the Tiger.

I saw an already existing DR thread, and no responses, so I am going to repurpose it.

Devona’s Rest!!
Talk to your server.
Let’s try to have a little rap session here that leaves ego, and unsupported griping at the door.

What are our weakest time slots?
If we were able to increase out player base for any 4-6 hour time period what time would that be in your opinion?
- For the sake of Simplicity lets try to keep the time zone Eastern, if for some reason you can’t or don’t want to, please include the time zone you are referring to.

Thanks..

go!

@ Drak – OP – I agree with you entirely. After seeing the average WvW player though I just don’t think we have the proper drive, ambition, or mindset to actually pull that off consistently.

I agree that it would be near impossible to get people to do something like this. And much to the dismay of some of the all knowing posters in this tread, I never imaged any type of an all or nothing type of .. thought pattern. nor was I seeking an alliance.

I’m simply suggesting that when green is feeding us our own kitten let’s not go kick the other guy also chewing away at his own sphincter. I know, it’s radical.

It starts with talking about it. and reaching out and finding like minded people. Sadly this thread brought out more puffy chested loud people than others who see where I am coming from.

I know you cant stop the people who just want to run and cap, and farm exp. Sometimes those people get taught their own way. There are some talks happening on DR, and I am unsure of how it will all shake out. I’ll continue trying. it doesn’t happen over night. or even over the course of months if he doors don’t stop spinning.

Anyhow thanks man. I appreciate it.

Fubuki.7162:

Sumwun.3846:

I’ll tell you what. I will keep trying. Perhaps it won’t work as I hope, but I will not stick my tail between my legs and look for other reasons to point my finger at. Hows about everyone just sit and pout and think of excuses as to why we lose and never consider what can be done to improve. that’s far easier.

Let’s post on the forums about how ANet sucks because nobody can figure out how to do something without someone else doing it for them.

I’m not so niave as to believe that this can be done overnight. I’m sure you put your hardest effort into it for a week.

“It won’t work” will never work.
Truce is a stupid word. I’m not looking for that either. I’m looking for common sense.

Sheep don’t lead.

I have no idea what you’re talking about.

My guild initiated the idea of working together on these forums nearly 4 weeks ago. I know Delarme from AI has done the same.

We’ve coordinated with DR on raids against FC and Northern Shiverpeaks in the past. We rarely attack DR unless they attack us first, or are in our borderlands. I even have a clip of us letting DR run by the other night in the video I posted recently because it didn’t do either of us any good to attack each other at that particular moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbtchDAhZfU

In that time we’ve seen several DR guilds come and go. FIST, gone. PTX, gone. I don’t even know anyone on DR any more, and you’re in our back yard every day. Now you want to work together? Where have you been for the last month?

Here’s a screenshot (below) of my alliances war efforts in WvW two nights ago. Notice the red supply camp in DR BL? That was a pug. Most of us realize it doesn’t make any sense to attack each other.

Who exactly do you see pouting, pointing fingers or complaining about ANet? It certainly isn’t me. I’m having a blast.

Sorry you’re not having fun. Being insulting to people though… not really going to help.
- Fub the Sheep

Leave this thread and look. There are lots of people complaining about ANet for this or that.. What ANet needs to do because nobody can figure things out on their own. Or WvW is broken because something doesn’t work to their advantage.

I wasn’t here 4 weeks ago. I am here now. and 4 weeks ago I may have been wanting to help you. 4 weeks later here I am trying to do something like you and because it didnt work for you… I guess it shouldn’t work for anyone.

I feel almost like; because you couldn’t do it, you would want anyone else who tries to fail. It’s a bad idea now, but I bet you thought yourself a genius when you were trying.

What I don’t understand is if you were trying, why come at me like I’m trying to cause more problems. I never said I am not having fun. I had some great fun this weekend.

I fully understand how hard it is to herd the pugs and randoms and the fools looking to be hero’s in useless situations. and to be 100% honest, I think i have a more realistic Idea of how hard it will be than you did. All I am getting from you is a “give up” vibe.

Thanks for all your input. It’s been very helpful.

Mighteous.9281:

LOL! “Sheep don’t lead.” Sheep don’t play war games, either son.

I don’t know about you. Sounds like you jumped ship from Devona’s and came over to Kaineng.

They don’t? Check the zergs, son. Sheep are everywhere. I’m not from Kaineg. so you are right, you don’t know me.

I’ll tell you what. I will keep trying. Perhaps it won’t work as I hope, but I will not stick my tail between my legs and look for other reasons to point my finger at. Hows about everyone just sit and pout and think of excuses as to why we lose and never consider what can be done to improve. that’s far easier.

Let’s post on the forums about how ANet sucks because nobody can figure out how to do something without someone else doing it for them.

I’m not so niave as to believe that this can be done overnight. I’m sure you put your hardest effort into it for a week.

“It won’t work” will never work.
Truce is a stupid word. I’m not looking for that either. I’m looking for common sense.

Sheep don’t lead.

I’m not talking about one keep. I’m talking about a mindset.

Thadren Calder.1397:

I’ve been trying to get DR to join forces against whatever green is for the week. Then i see a whole group of people every friday at reset planning a raid on DR. Nothing I say changes their minds so i just gave up trying…

sometimes a zerg cant hear one person over the hum of its collective mind chattering away at owning a supply camp.

I’m just getting started.

dirtyklingon.2918:

kaeneng had a zerg of about 25-40 in DR BL sunday nigth defending the tower directly outside their spawn and sometimes trying to take the camp north of it(that we’d take back as we were defending asc bay) and once or twice push on to asc bay southern outer wall.

DR had a zerg on the map of about 30-40 trying hard at asc bay from us.

i think the fact we pushed both side back repeatedly from what we wanted with a total defense force of 15 or so(11 guild members, some rando pugs from diffferent guilds) nullifies the idea that numbers > tactics at this tier.

half of my guys were on our lowbie alts as well, as low as level 4-6 and 15 in some cases. many of our 80s aren’t geared up yet.

Just imagine the unrest Borlis wold have suffered had both these servers leaned together on the one.

Speno.1874:

Kianeng has been stepping up. The managed to get our Orb in Borlis Pass BG last night, while we were getting the orb and fortifying the etheron hills, they took half the map. We ended up getting the entire map back .

Yes, I am seeing a lot more red on the map. I think Kainegs lowbie population is starting to spill into WvW. Looking at the lowbie zones on DR this weekend, we are prolly a few more weeks in the make.

And Good for Kaineg! I’m not kidding. I constantly look at the map as a Us ( Kaineg, and DR) Vs. Them

If K can get the jump on Green, im for it, and I have and will help Kaineg over whoever our visitor is.

micron.5369:

The only time I’ve seen an organized Kaineng guild go into Devona’s borderlands to target them, is when Devona’s Rest goes out of their way to annoy Kaineng (e.g., after 1-2 hours of the 20 man Devona PUG train running through Kaineng borderlands flipping all of the supply camps).

I know the Kaineng PUGs usually stick to Kaineng as well, so I’m not sure which battlegrounds you’re referring to (I never see DR in EB, and rarely see them on the green side). My question to you is – in what borderlands are you talking about? I’m hoping you don’t mean “Why does Kaineng always target us whenever we run around in their borderlands?” If so, that should be self-explanatory. If you’re referring to your own borderlands, then it’s probably because your PUGs (or maybe a couple of mentally dull guilds) are doing dumb stuff in Kaineng’s backyard.

My only concern right now is us fighting. Stop pointing fingers as to why there is an issue. It resolves nothing and only helps to defeat the purpose of this thread. both servers act a fool. I clearly stated above that we foolishly have invaded Kaineg in the past. and I personally have seen Kaineg on us as well. I’m not blaming either server, I’m loudly suggesting people wake the hell up.

A thread like this could help that situation. That is my goal. and if you are on either of these two servers, it should be your goal too.