Guild Wars 2

ktith.6197:

I promise that this week I’ll put rams on the opposite side of the gates, just because. That is whenever I’m around to do so.

Like, the inside of the gate?

saiyr.3071:

Does DR have a server forum? It needs one.

in the works.

SniffyCube.6107:

Guys from DR, knock it off. There has always been friction in DR between a lot of the commanders but for weeks you’ve been winning and that’s kept you guys from ripping each others’ heads off. Now, you meet your first challenge and loss and you start attacking each other on the forums, and one of the guys from Pro (the one with the largest mouth and who talked constant smack) leaves. Good, now you can keep arguing with each other publically and making the whole server look bad or you guys can set aside your differences, talk to each other like adults privately, and handle all your disagreements / arguments so that you can work towards improving yourselves next week.

Might not mean much from me since I moved KWBH guild to another server but it was at the height of you guys winning and I want to see DR succeed nonetheless.

Public forums isn’t the place for all this.

I feel like you are talking to me.
I disagree it shouldn’t have been done publicly. From what others have told me, and watching for myself, talking in map chat goes nowhere except to confuse the issues at hand, and talking in tells normally turns into a one Vs. one peepee match.

If you feel my behavior reflects poorly on DR, i’m sorry you feel that way, it’s not my intention and I think I have helped much more than hurt. I have opened up lines of communication because there have been things going on in private that you can’t see on the forums. You said it yourself you did leave. and I know for a fact when KWBH left, you said good bye to the guilds you like, meaning you didn’t say goodbye to guilds you don’t like, which means you too had issue with people here. You just didn’t say anything.

If you think my posts are caused by a loss or being met by a difficult challenge this week, you got me all wrong, man. You obviously haven’t read everything I wrote, or ignored every time I explained my position or had something positive to say. I know plenty are calling me a troll, but think about it. how wrong have I been? How inaccurate? if anything, people should at the very least appreciate that someone had the balls to stand up and say something. If you think that DR would move up without some internal strengthening you are misled. We lost a hand full of players that will probably result in more than twice that number showing more, better, and less hesitant support.

it looks like DR get’s another go at this match up, and while I am not sure of the outcome, another loss will not bother me. We climbed fast, and truth be told, I am looking forward to another clash against K in the not too distant future. It’s going to be as exciting as a Sox, Yankees game.

As long as we don’t lose too many Pink hats who are discouraged from our loss, DR is probably in a better place than it was a week ago.

ParaldaWind.4523:

Remember when Ehmry Bay used to blame us for everything? Good times.

I miss being the center of attention, but DR seems to love arguing with DR.

Not really, Considering the population we exploded up to in such a short amount of time, I expected our loss to result in a Kain-styled implosion. Instead I think we will see a better DR next week. I think in the long run lots of good came of this arguing.

The other stuff, the numbers, the complaints against mag, psh. DR has heard the same complaints for a few weeks now, I find it a little funny to see DR now complaining about it. I’m not sure what people are upset with Mag about/for. I really learned a lot form some of your forum posters and sincerely hope we get another go at this match up again.

Morningstar.6208:

Nice to meet you Yorgi.

Hell yea dude. This is progress!

I will admit, you annoy the snot out of me, but you aren’t on ignore. So that should say something. The last few weeks, after our first win, we had a massive population over all our competition, except this week passed. I think that anyone with their finger on the pulse knew that this week would have not been a win walking into the numbers and skill we stepped up into.

I am not trying to say, we lost cause of numbers, but it contributes. I think we lost because we need to play better. not that we suck, but we have learning to do.

The fact that so many people complain about James is good, imo. So I’m right there with you.

Tatts from RGTG is actually a really nice guy at heart he’s excitable. He and I talked about his interaction that you and he had that placed him on your ignore list. And I explained how his frustrations with you could be counterproductive. So, I say this crap to my friends too. You may not realize the aggravation you share with other people trying to accomplish things outside of your army, in EB. There are others who go out there, and there are other commanders who flag up and it can appear that you ignore their efforts or shoulder their work if it isn’t in line with your own planning.

You sometimes hog the whole sandbox when all you are after is a small section.

You probably cant see this, But I am willing to bet that there are commanders who simply have given up on you and your obsession with EB. I can tell you from experience, I have been on an enemy BL making a crawl, up the east side, just having finished a cap on Hills, at the gate and a call comes in to save SM !!! !!! !!! !!!! !!!! I jump over and SM is under siege and the rest of what should be our property is in turmoil. camps and towers both lost. Nobody sent out to regain. Chat is full of you simply looking like a maniac. I left. I knew I was wasting time. Better to come back after we are done losing SM and there is a better chance that you will share, when SM getting capped is less important than the remainder of the property we lost for it’s sake.

SM can only be defended from the inside out for so long before it needs those towers and camps, and people are needed at those locations before they are lost, or while they are being capped. Numbers are squandered if we have a group simply chasing down and recapping what we lose. Our supply is still being effected and the enemy team taking it all apart is off getting the next camp before we retake the first. It’s a degenerative Cycle.

I won’t lie Morningstar, I think you could do a bang up job out there, but I don’t think you can do it alone and you will be doing it alone as long as you believe and act as if you are the only person out there trying to lead people.

Teach the newbs how to join your squad. spam them in that. use map chat to work with other commanders in other areas of the map. You have dependable people you work with, I’m sure. Keep them out of your squad so you can control the maximum number of people. Your peeps will still run with you.

Ask people to who follow you for help. Like really want it. “Could use a few peeps to go to XYZ and check on..” or " so’n’sp needs a few more, can we get a could of you to go support till… " If people are devoted to following you, they will absolutely want to help you like that. I promise you, if you ask for a favor and not demand and action, you will get better results, make more friends out there, and you will start feeling like you aren’t the only guy out there.

you’re going to have to trust me on this, man.

Morningstar.6208:

Sumwun.3846:

Morningstar.6208:

Sumwun.3846:

Morningstar.6208:

I have no problem with PRO I believe they are a great guild and do great things for Devona. My post is about persons attitude.

Dead horse man, He’s gone. who cares about him now? doesn’t matter till we face where ever he went. He isn’t Pro and I get a feeling he hasn’t actually been repping Pro, by their ideals, for some time.

His attitude did suck. but now that we are talking. how will you be addressing your attitudes? You saw the screenshot, you reported it. We are at a crossroad that could bring us some positive change. Are you in?

I would imagine someone with this much server pride, “the Leader of EB”, one who “not only leads his guild, but the server”, out there.. You of all people would be about improving the environment. and if you are, you must be thinking of how you and your tantrum tossing commanders will behave in matches to come. I’m curious what your have planned.

I am sorry really don’t know what you are talking about what screen shot?

Odd, I got the email for the deletion within 5 min of your first post this morning.
I won’t post it again because I don’t want you to report it again.

negligentwheel acts a lot like the Morningstar who got suspended for a few days. Perhaps When I see this behavior in map chat in the future, I’ll begin educating our new players that talking like that to them is a reportable offense and teach them how the report function works. It musn’t be OK if you got a toss for it, which means it can happen again.

Someone who recently left was one of a few major offenders with how they behave. AOD also has a few.

I haven’t seen that and Negligentwheel have been removed from AoD because of his attitude towards guild mates 6 days ago. I didn’t report anything and I haven’t seen the picture you can send me the link so I can understand what you are talking about. I also don’t know anybody called yorgi or sumwun can you share your name with me so I will know who am I talking to.

Does my name need to be something you recognize in order to pay it any mind? I’m Yorgy. Sorry You don’t know my name. I try to stay away from you. But we have argued in the past.

Negligentwheel being tossed is good news for you, and I apologize for not making myself aware of that information.

Please, allow me to to me to restart a little then.

There are many many interactions that exist with you where you can appear.. pigheaded. I know you have a considerable following, and It makes me hesitant on butting heads with you because it can stall momentum. You know you have had problems with how you behave in map chat. And there have been occasions where your desire to own SM has resulted in more of a negative impact than a positive ( points wise)

I will not attempt to pretend you haven’t had wins, and you have led people victories, but if you where to weigh the positive against the negative, one would have to wonder how much of it all is due to zerg numbers over tactic, and ability to lead.

I have watched zergs and zergs of people get demanded to defend/attack SM and camps and towers are just left. to get taken by skeleton crews. Every step we take past 6 we will be the underdogs. We can’t depend on numbers in place of common sense.

I have been present in EB where all I needed was one other player to get a camp back, but your ranting places unnecessary amounts of people in a place that ultimately sacrifices points in other places. That help doesnt happen, next thing we are losing a second camp, then a third, then our towers are under attack. I have seen towers fall under your command while you were busy working on SM, I have barely begged for help repairing doors and you offer nothing except distraction away from that. I Have helped you defend your very own Keep, and leave your own doors at 25%. Guess who repaied it? me, a few randoms and a Pro or two. That’s something you can’t overlook. Sometimes I feel like you think you ARE the team, as opposed to part of it.

Other players from other servers have pointed this out to you, but I and probably many others, feel like you ignore it all. It’s frustrating, man. We need to learn to work with multiple smaller forces, with smart efficient tactics and siege usage if we are going to last up here and I sometimes feel like you almost, unknowingly, work against that.

Hi, I’m Yorgy. Now you know me.

eric.4630:

I know who you are!what have you done?

this morning? I took my dog out, before leaving for work. And because it was chilly, I got a hot coffee in addition to my ice coffee. Doesn’t make sense right? But, The building I work in, they keep the temp at almost 75 degrees!! I can’t really wear shorts in January, I really push my luck trying to wear them in November if the temp hasn’t dropped below 70.

What about you?

Morningstar.6208:

Sumwun.3846:

Morningstar.6208:

I have no problem with PRO I believe they are a great guild and do great things for Devona. My post is about persons attitude.

Dead horse man, He’s gone. who cares about him now? doesn’t matter till we face where ever he went. He isn’t Pro and I get a feeling he hasn’t actually been repping Pro, by their ideals, for some time.

His attitude did suck. but now that we are talking. how will you be addressing your attitudes? You saw the screenshot, you reported it. We are at a crossroad that could bring us some positive change. Are you in?

I would imagine someone with this much server pride, “the Leader of EB”, one who “not only leads his guild, but the server”, out there.. You of all people would be about improving the environment. and if you are, you must be thinking of how you and your tantrum tossing commanders will behave in matches to come. I’m curious what your have planned.

I am sorry really don’t know what you are talking about what screen shot?

Odd, I got the email for the deletion within 5 min of your first post this morning.
I won’t post it again because I don’t want you to report it again.

negligentwheel acts a lot like the Morningstar who got suspended for a few days. Perhaps When I see this behavior in map chat in the future, I’ll begin educating our new players that talking like that to them is a reportable offense and teach them how the report function works. It musn’t be OK if you got a toss for it, which means it can happen again.

Someone who recently left was one of a few major offenders with how they behave. AOD also has a few.

Morningstar.6208:

I have no problem with PRO I believe they are a great guild and do great things for Devona. My post is about persons attitude.

Dead horse man, He’s gone. who cares about him now? doesn’t matter till we face where ever he went. He isn’t Pro and I get a feeling he hasn’t actually been repping Pro, by their ideals, for some time.

His attitude did suck. but now that we are talking. how will you be addressing your attitudes? You saw the screenshot, you reported it. We are at a crossroad that could bring us some positive change. Are you in?

I would imagine someone with this much server pride, “the Leader of EB”, one who “not only leads his guild, but the server”, out there.. You of all people would be about improving the environment. and if you are, you must be thinking of how you and your tantrum tossing commanders will behave in matches to come. I’m curious what your have planned.

Morningstar.6208:

Morningstar,

this is days old. Events have happened since this. You have posted multiple times since this. Pro is actively attempting to improve the server and themselves. You are one of the last people who should be talking about people liking other people. The behavior displayed by yourself and some of your commanders is appalling. reporting the picture of your guild mate to get it deleted doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. I’ll keep sharing. I promise that.

Pro has the ability to help in a big way, My suggestion to you is to get on board.

ViperWire.4261:

Dynnen.6405:

ViperWire.4261:

Morningstar.6208:

We will born from our ashes again.

I was told that you left Eternal after DR took SM and received it’s first attack. I’m not sure why you would quote that after you obviously gave up when you bit off WAY more than you could chew.

Guess now you will see why you shouldn’t do that. Full 100% Green on Eternal

Congrats on being able to summon more zergies than anyone in this bracket, and so late in the week too! I think maguuma might actually break 300k now. Good to have you guys for another week, especially since you didn’t win enough to move back up into larger pop servers.

Strong work, lol

Sorry that I didn’t start leading until Sunday night/up until 6pm eastern Wednesday night

I was leading Eternal yesterday prior to 7/8pm and our zerg was half the size of DR’s in Eternal, and we still wiped them. It seems that while this particular thief from AoD guild leads DR in Eternal, numbers never matter!

We just wipe them everytime!!

Viper, if we play you next week, I would love to read more about your morningstar interactions. I have a small collection of his commanders tossing fits. Perhaps I will try to compliment your adventures with images of their behavior from my side.

I have sworn to not go into EB, but If you tell me your headed in, I’ll go and snap a few. Some of the antics his people play are going to have to stop. Before we gain population in DR we need to deal with our bad eggs.

his answer is to throw people at it. my answer to him is to let other servers lean on him till he learns how to play with the rest of the server.

Attic.1562:

Sumwun.3846:

Attic.1562:

Sumwun.3846:

do you know what sound a dog makes when it’s about to vomit?

[PRO]?

lol? wha..? No.

Man, you asked the question. I just provided the most sensible answer I could. I’ve always thought Drednyte smelled kinda funny.

Lol fair enough.

Attic.1562:

Sumwun.3846:

do you know what sound a dog makes when it’s about to vomit?

[PRO]?

lol? wha..? No.

Eyan, from Pro made contact with me last night and we had a pretty fantastic discussion. He corrected me in a few areas where he thought I was off, and spoke to me about things he felt I was right about. I think he’s going to make some positive changes for pro and ultimately DR.

The man want’s to improve all of our situations here on DR. He stressed to me that Pro has lots of great people out there trying to do good and felt it was overshadowed by this weeks publicity. I agree with him. Check my history, I too feel this way, I’ve said it. My rantings this week were not an attempt to troll Pro (while I am sure it will be dismissed as that by quite a few), but to air out issues that needed airing.

This week is about over, and considering how far we have come, a loss isn’t something that should ruin the moral of the server. I feel like a lot of good is headed down the pike, especially if we all drop our preconceived notions and give it a fair shake. After spending a week reading posts from players from Mag, I don’t see why we cant have a positive environment to play in and still maintain a competitive edge, seems they do.

I feel we are on a better path than we were 2,3,4 weeks ago.

Thanks Everyone.

ViperWire.4261:

Morningstar.6208:

We will born from our ashes again.

I was told that you left Eternal after DR took SM and received it’s first attack. I’m not sure why you would quote that after you obviously gave up when you bit off WAY more than you could chew.

Guess now you will see why you shouldn’t do that. Full 100% Green on Eternal

Jeez, I wish I could tell you how much breath you just wasted typing this message to those blind eyes. The Gentleman you are writing two is one of Devonas most passionate and pig headed self proclaimed leaders. SM is his guilds white whale. they will sacrifice property, troops, and moral to get everyone to drop what they are doing to go after SM.

This is pretty standard behavior from his Guild AOD

Cactus.2710:

Besetment’s post pretty much nailed it for me. I’ve been on DR since launch but I really don’t see the point of racing to Tier 1, or to be honest, even particularly striving for it. I play WvW for the simple enjoyment of aggressively competing in an environment where strategy and tactics, both large scale and small team, mean as much or more than simple head-banging 1v1 proficiency, and for that all I need is to be in a reasonably balanced tier. I want to win, and I want to win against competent competition, but I have sufficient validation elsewhere in my life that it doesn’t matter a lot to me which WvW tier I happen to do that in. I want to constantly get better, but I don’t need to constantly get bigger … they aren’t necessarily the same.

Super Post Cactus. I think a lot of DR want’s this as well. I think that, occasionally, the two linesyou have mentioned above are often considered one and the same. I agree this is not the case, especially after reading some of Mag’s and T5+ level players talk about tiers above.

Anyone who has been white water rafting as probably surfed the white water at least once. I feel as if T5 is like surfing in a white water raft. You need to fight the current while pushing yourself to maintain that single position on top of the rough, but when you do it, man it’s awesome.

We need to clean up and tighten up our server into a team first. Randoms and refugees later.

Besetment.9187:

Hrmm, its true that DR is the smallest server with the lowest coverage in tier 5 and they could use some more players (in Oceanic timezone particularly) but I’m not sure why you guys want to keep moving up the ranking. I would really like to play a DR that spends a couple of weeks acclimatizing to tier 5 scale warfare and hopefully picks up some more players to keep the matchup exciting throughout the day. Once you guys start getting our siege placement down and learn to adapt to our counter zerg, this bracket could be pretty amazing.

Glicko rating is strongly correlated to WvW population and timezone coverage. Around tier 4, all servers have pretty active domestic timezone coverage and a little off peak. Above that its all about closing gaps in off peak coverage.

It has been traditionally very difficult to convince Oceanic, Asia and European guilds to transfer to a server that does not a significant Oceanic, Asia and European community respectively. Many people who play WvW also want to do stuff outside WvW. They want to run dungeons, do the holiday events etc and its just more fun when theres a load of people to party up with in your timezone.

I think the desire for players to make rank is one of the most harmful things in WvW right now. More people should be looking to get into fair matches since those are the most fun for all players in the bracket.

Which tier you go to depends on the kind of game you like to play. The low tier servers have low population and coverage so the style of gameplay is much more grounded in guerilla warfare, small team play and stealth capture. In the higher tiers its much more grounded in siege deadlocked keep/tower warfare round the clock because they have the numbers and coverage to sustain larger scale battles throughout the day. There is much less scope for ninja play and 5 on 5s.

Its a shame that so many players keep treating low tier servers as pet projects to rise through the rankings for completely arbitrary purposes. Many of these servers would have an extremely healthy small team warfare meta going on, if it weren’t for all the bracket stacking.

I personally love ninja plays and small team open field combat. I find siege deadlocked keep warfare exhausting and stressful where you absolutely have to control x supply camps and defend x tower for 5 hours straight against a relentless onslaught of 40 imbeciles autoattacking your gate down.

Tiers are not good indicators of ability or progress. They are good indicators of population and coverage. Players should go to the bigger servers if they want to play large scale battles round the clock against equally big servers.

Players should go to smaller servers for creative small team plays and stealth capture against equally small servers.

I think that sorting servers by population and timezone coverage and giving players more information about the population and timezone coverage of a server, will help them make the right choice. Match making should be between servers of similar size with some way to server vote to get into matchups with slightly bigger or smaller servers for people that want to play asymetric (guerilla) warfare.

Whether you go large scale or small scale, you are honing completely different sets of skills. Sometimes its nice to test them against each other, but not when PPT is 0/0/695 and everyone quits out of boredom.

On Mags we loved playing Dragonbrand despite most of their players being in an opposite timezone but we were quite evenly matched in population. You learn a whole new way to play the game. Highly offensive during some parts of the day and massively defensive in others.

Fantastic post. Nothing but truth. I would rather learn to do more with less than get more and still not know what to do with it. Rushing to the top will not be a good thing.

KWBH is a fantastic bunch. Treat them well!

lcc.9374:

My my our old enemy. Now looking to transfer here eh? /Raises an eyebrow

But i guess from reading the forums i think you one of the more nicer and reasonable DR weve had the chance to meet. I was looking at the Dev/borlis/maguma thread today. Good stuff. Drama is highly entertaining, especially when it doesnt concern you.

I wouldnt take sides in your server arguments. But yeah us at Kain know how u feel. Well weve been through weeks and weeks of Devona kitten talk. They were winning all that time too, which makes them go all out. Its weird here as your former enemy that i can share the same sentiments you feel towards that guy whose name starts with a “D” which also belongs in that guild who starts with a “P” Now theres more guys in “P” which are a bit kitten too but ill let that slide.

About the current matchup.

Sometimes its fun when GOM can field some nice numbers. Most of the time its me waiting at spawn desperately for someone on the other side to come out. While telling the other 5 kains also waiting there to get in line cos i was there first…….in my mind.

Yeah I spawncamp. Problem? Spawn camp with siege though is a No though thats just cheap.

Not much fun. Guy from GOM just partied me to trakittenalk tonight too!. Man months in WvW and i havenet even got trakittenalk whispers ever. This a first. Lol so Mads

Not much fun, but ill bear with it, need ta move up. Or i use my free agent status again to find some more balanced fights and then only come back round tier 5.

….that sounds good

Haha yea. I much rather watch someones drama than have to be in it. But, I had to be in it this time. Someone had to be in it. It’s gone on long enough. And I never appreciated his behavior when we shared 8th.

After K cracked open and your less likable guilds split, I was happy for K. much like brothers or sisters, or one brother and one sister. K and DR had that feel to me. while we were alternating weeks between Ferg and BP getting abused by our drunk uncle, we still found a special way to despise each other in a friendly, strangely positive way.

I enjoyed beating on you guys much like I enjoyed punching around my brother when we were younger. and much like my brother, you Guys would always punch back, and fight a little harder because it’s ok to think, “I want to kill my kittening brother” as long as you don’t actually do it. We were neighboring small towns for a good time. to see the other develop from across the highway is still nice to see despite the competition.

It makes sense one would want seek refuge at the developed neighboring town after watching it develop into a small city when yours was recently ravaged by a hot winded tornado.

I appreciate the compliments. I do. It’s difficult not to look like a rabble rouser when you need to break windows, slap panicked women and shake babies in order to get people to wake up.

It boils down to, I’m a team player who wants to help support a team that’s there for the team, and not the individual. I will sit at a tower for hours and build, repair, or whatever if there is purpose behind it. right now, at home, purpose is defined by zerg size. leaving behind a bread crumb trail of undefended, undeveloped property behind it to be rescooped up in 5 min or less. what’s the plan for this? react. go back and do it over.

I want to play somewhere that knows why that is bad, and how to teach new players the same lesson without having to present it in a, “Listen to your God, little bug” type of format.

Current match up. I Have read you guys are in the same position we were in. your pop is up, you are ready to fight and for some really wonky reason, you don’t have enough opponents. Our first week out of 8 i remember thinking that Feg and K should both be up here with us. I stopped WvW for a bit because it was straight up brutal. we simply had too many people, after moving up. and we just punched holes in the two unfortunate servers that we faced. already forgot them. I think one started with an E.

But the main reason I visited at all was because I read K moved up, and I was legitimately happy/proud of and for all of you.

Yea, I don’t really spawn camp, but there will always be exceptions ( i dunno about siege)

Chaster Sharpshooter.3640:

Sumwun.3846:

Please do try to trim the full quote if you are just going to answer it in one line of text.

No. I was complimenting him on the post. I had to trim some to get the quote to work. It was a good post and it deserved to have to be scrolled through a second time.

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

Sumwun.3846:

whats your map chat like in WvW? – i’m currently in the market for a new lawn.

It tends to stay rather task-oriented with a little joking sprinkled in between. I don’t personally see a lot of bickering or fighting and when I do it gets shut up pretty quickly. Some gloating over the other servers which isn’t my favorite and I hope to see less of, but it’s a main group of offenders that don’t tend to be fed into. We have a lot of new people to the game right now so a lot of asking for help too.

I don’t know all of what’s going on at DR but if you’d even consider us of all servers to transfer to it must be… divisive. That sucks.

It does suck, although I don’t really know how much DR is actually “imploding”. I have been trying to stay out of the battle grounds. simply too much swill.

I get time off around the Holidays. I spent a lot more time in WvW over the last few weeks and my god, I can’t stomach some of the bullkitten I have seen people say, or how they have behaved. I understand frustration, TALKING IN ALL CAPS WILL ALSO HAPPEN from time to time, so will spam. But when it’s all three, combined with blanketed angry statements, well, Video game or not, I’m not cool with people talking like that to other people.

This isnt WoW, we are playing a game thats been designed to promote team work. and If my realm mates feel the need to talk to other real mates like they are garbage, why in gods name would I want to be part of this? There are what? 12 realms in the US? there needs to be one that’s just people working together. That’s what I want. win or lose, a team.

Most of the personality’s that made K so unlikable in our last few weeks together are gone and moved on to poison other atmospheres. A move towards DR’s sister server would be nice. You both share a similar story and I can still feel like I have grown with the server having watched it grow, fall, and fight against my own for so many weeks.

I’m not ready to bail just yet, but I am most defiantly looking at lawns. I do love me some Perennial Ryegrass.

Sol.4310:

Sumwun.3846:

Cool Gotcha and thanks,

GL with your duel if it happens.

They never showed LARP have always been talk. I’m a god darn ranger what does a D/D got to lose.

Not overly surprised. I wasn’t really expecting to hear about a duel. I find peeps who roll FOTM classes everytime a new brand becomes “teh Win” they usually enjoy talking more about their fotm skill set then displaying it when asked. Kinda Cute. I have a puppy who runs away with his toy when I try to take it, and when I don’t want it he accidently nips my hand when I’m not expecting it. Then when I try to play, he runs off again.

Sound familiar?

Perhaps you are trying to duel a puppy. I would suggest you teach that puppy to poop on command. Stay, sit, and please don’t make it hand-shy. Nothing more sad than a hand-shy dog.

do you know what sound a dog makes when it’s about to vomit?

Binafus.8153:

Kain is a server that is made up mainly of people who favor WvW and as we have more success there will most likely be more people join with the same mindset.

We have the makings of a great server community.

whats your map chat like in WvW? – i’m currently in the market for a new lawn.

lcc.9374:

While i understand the viewpoint from HOD and GOM and also feel that imbalanced matchups are not fun for anyone.

Devona and Kain has traditionally been tier 8 servers. For as long as anyone could remember. Many of us learnt to stick it out when were getting rolled and keep fighting. Its no coincidence that our population increased overtime. Both from transfers and from native homegrown pvpers. And your attitude in face of difficulty affects whether your server will grow or whether it will continue to diminish.

A bit of tier 8 history.

It came with Fergusons dropping to our tier. Kain was improving somewhat.(taking blue for once which seemed like a server first) Back then the fergusons still outnumbered us and Devonas was pretty much left in the dust. (Yes theyve been there too)

It was then that the PR campaigns by Fubuki were sent out and more people came to the server. Mind you this didnt change things overnight. Even with transfers we could only take 2nd place.

And then came the week……..prob the week that changed it all, the diverging point when Kain won for the first time.

It was not the transfers, it was not of a population advantage.
It was SoS and the nightcap…….and also the complete lack of presence of Ferg Asian timeslot

Ferg still outnumbered us at that time. I remember on Tuesday or wednesday. The Score was still lopsided 60k plus in favor of them. But then Chastor SoS and the Asian
army sprang out of the woodwork for the first time in history. We got 600pts tallies every night gaining 20k points every night. And we barely managed to force a win with 20k points over Fergies.

And we thought we would have good times ahead. How we were wrong! An unexpected monster was lurking in the shadows.

………..It was that server both we and Ferg rolled over the last week.

The Devonas…….

I still never got what exactly happened in that fateful week. I heard Devonas got some transfers. Which probably spurred up all their natives. And then Kain and ferg was slacking somewhat because of events.

But Devonas……that kid which we ganged up on turned into the bully overnight and resulted in 9-10 weeks of losses on our part. Complete with some first rate forum drama.

Now the morale of the story is…..you gotta stick through the hard times and do your best with what you have

Some lesser more fair-weathered people would have made the Kain story end right here by choosing to give up. Kinda like Fergusons now, they used to be the strongest of us 3 in tier 8. And now theyve lost enough that they cant beat SF now. A shame. In fact the small guild im in has already transfered for a month or 2 to BP and now im more of a free agent who goes to different servers but intends to come back to Kain when the fighting is going to get more rough in tier 6.

Youve faced DR before. You know how much people they can put out and how strong they are. We faced the same for 9-10 weeks. Were we destroyed? Yes. Did some people leave? Yes. (My guild left) But did a lot of stay there to fight against the odds and generally have fun doing it? Yes doubly so!

In those 10 weeks against DR. It was rare that we lost by more than 100k pts. We mostly were able to get around 200 point tallies around the clock. There were many of us still fighting. Ferg also was rather tenacious in defending their borderlands at that time and it was never a real steamroll. We held the DR which swept through tier 7 in a week for 9-10 weeks. And our best effort against them was in week 7 or 8 where we lost by about 20-30k pts. Most of the Devonas can attest to that. Us and Ferg most likely put up more resistance against them compared to some tier 6-7 servers they fought.

Kaineng had arguably less population then Ferg and was a true tier 8 server in a way before those 10 weeks of getting destroyed by Devonas.

After those 10 weeks. We are what we are now.

We GAINED population when we were getting destroyed.
Food for thought right there.

And now with transfers with WM and DE. I’d like to thank them now for coming since i hadnt done it before. We are probably looking at having 2 times or even maybe 3 times the population we had before those 10 weeks of defeat. (Id never had queues before ever)

So HOD/GOM guys. Dont feel too bad, well be moving soon. And keep your spirits up!
You may well be like Devona who rose up overnight. Or like Kain who actually got stronger through those 9 weeks of defeat.

And i patiently await the day for my rematch with the Devonas.
Gotta send them back to tier 8. Where they belong. duh!

Good post man. Pretty accurate all the way around from one vantage point too.

Cool Gotcha and thanks,

GL with your duel if it happens.

Sol.4310:

Sumwun.3846:

Sol.4310:

frickers.8309:

Sol.4310:

frickers.8309:

Sol.4310:

frickers.8309:

Sol.4310:

Tiglie.5834:

Half a page about a dueling drum circle, I can’t wait till we stumble upon your mini-arena. Congrats dueling with confusion mesmers, condition thieves, and D/D ele’s, it’s really neat.

You do realize why fight club originated in DAoC right? It was for the nonames that couldn’t cut it in the 8 man scene.

Congrats for the ranger, oh wait LARP wasn’t there forgot wasn’t a zerg in front of you.

so i guess the daoc comment really hurt because you were bad at it?

btw nice binding roots 5v2 bro.

I sense tears, is that common on LARP skill bars. I’d be happy to duel your d/d ele 1v1

This guy with the 1v1 talk, are you dumb?

BOF, SOS back to apk brah.

Tear’s/Scared new LARP Build. they all running it.

Ya our through together guild is scared of some forums warriors that have played on like one server? I am scared i may spill my mountain dew or miss eating my pizza.

Do You Even Lift? post your stats bro

Over it already LARP if you want to fight let me know, actions speaks bigger then words, I’m in SPvP room 319 atm.

lol what room? I think i missed the location, I think you hit post before you finished, please repost 4-6 times :p

I know server lag. playing. prolly a DOS

I got owned by the forums lol, But yeah LARP where are you OG are here waiting.

yea you did, quick question. when you were submitting the post that got kicked out like 7 times. Did you reclick “Reply” multiple times? or was it a back up and repost? I’m just curious about the server. Nerd Stuff.

Sol.4310:

frickers.8309:

Sol.4310:

frickers.8309:

Sol.4310:

frickers.8309:

Sol.4310:

Tiglie.5834:

Half a page about a dueling drum circle, I can’t wait till we stumble upon your mini-arena. Congrats dueling with confusion mesmers, condition thieves, and D/D ele’s, it’s really neat.

You do realize why fight club originated in DAoC right? It was for the nonames that couldn’t cut it in the 8 man scene.

Congrats for the ranger, oh wait LARP wasn’t there forgot wasn’t a zerg in front of you.

so i guess the daoc comment really hurt because you were bad at it?

btw nice binding roots 5v2 bro.

I sense tears, is that common on LARP skill bars. I’d be happy to duel your d/d ele 1v1

This guy with the 1v1 talk, are you dumb?

BOF, SOS back to apk brah.

Tear’s/Scared new LARP Build. they all running it.

Ya our through together guild is scared of some forums warriors that have played on like one server? I am scared i may spill my mountain dew or miss eating my pizza.

Do You Even Lift? post your stats bro

Over it already LARP if you want to fight let me know, actions speaks bigger then words, I’m in SPvP room 319 atm.

lol what room? I think i missed the location, I think you hit post before you finished, please repost 4-6 times :p

I know server lag. playing. prolly a DOS

Darwinism.8619:

1st.. Yorgy… Eyan has only been in Leadership at [PRO] for a few weeks… he was recognized & elevated because of his tireless efforts to bridge the distance and Help Repair the damage (yes [PRO] is aware of its Part in the Damage created)

2nd. [PRO] has offered a Team speak

3rd. Others in [PRO] have spoken to Dred about his Forum Posts and Map Chat Rants… (it seems Dred will be Dred) sigh

4th. Yorgy… you were Wrong about Eyan… he has posted twice in the Forums and you Quoted 1 of them… if you read Eyan’s post with all this info in mind you may get a different perspective. You owe Eyan an Apology & maybe you should consider putting aside the past Hated of [PRO] (however much its been earned or deserved you feel it may be) and giving what Eyan and the others in the Devona’s Alliance he helped Create a chance.. you may be pleasantly surprised at the number of ppl in [PRO] that you would Like to play w/…

justsay’n

Dwin,

Up until just a few weeks ago, I was a pretty big supporter of your guild. In fact, I may be the first person on the server to have posted a pro.. PRO . Post. Check my history. I have always appreciated the fact I would bump into a few hard working Pro peeps at our south end. I’ve run countless supply with your mates and am willing to bet have repaired more abandoned, broken doors and walls with Pro members than with any other guild. I feel pretty confident with our ascent I’ll be seeing more of them. I’m a defender like many of you.

Hatred towards Pro would be nonsense. But you have to understand that currently your representation is the equivalent of a couples therapist having a beautiful oil painting of a badly battered woman on the wall behind her. Your current spokes person is turning people away, and I know I saw Eyan behaving in close to the same fashion out there within the last 7 days. Maybe he slipped, maybe he had a .. who knows what.. Maybe that’s what I saw. But it doesn’t change the fact that lots of people have been seeing lots of that from your tag. It’s been what 10 weeks? and you still have little numbskulls running at the mouth … you know the normal Pro self praise, I don’t need to type it out.

Please understand, man. I want to see us do well. But people are literally, Literally ignoring some of your people now. Spiting them. I’m trying to, believe it or not, explain some of the stuff YOUR people are demanding like jackholes and people are like, “F-them lets go attack this to kitten them off.” I’m not kidding.

An apology to Eyan? That I don’t know about. I’ll take him off ignore and start there. But if there is anyone that should be apologizing to anyone I think you know who it should be and Where he should do it. I’m not trying to troll you or the guild, but Whats going on right now, out there, isn’t going to fly. You have a personality causing rifts all over the place, and I get a distinct feeling he sets out looking for the confrontations. I have no qualms with you and many others of your team, but someone needs to shut a few mouths, teach some manners, clean some house, something, cause you don’t want a tarnished name, unless you feel like having to move at some other point.

..Kinda like the dog vomit guild.

Drednyte.7601:

@yorgy
ur not seein the bigger pic. Over 3 months PRO has been on DR. Over 3 months weve said zergs fail. Over 3 months weve said “hey, we need to upgrade and siege up before we move on”. Over 3 months weve said “need supply runners and folks to repair”. Know whats changed in over 3 months. Nuttin, same mapchats. PRO usd to be a guild great offensively and defensively. but as DR continues to zergfail vs tuffer opponents, PRO has had to do more and more of the grunt work. GASM n a few small guilds been trying. To the point DR expects us to do the “dirty” work. Its gotten old fast. Been tons of meetings with other guilds and commanders to improve teamwork, but so far, lotta talk not much action. Kudos to those trying tho. DR wasnt rdy for T5, and will drop to T6 on reset where they’ll maybe win again or continue to drop when the transfers start.

But hey, times change n people come n go. All good i guess. Props and much respect n kudos to those handful of DR’rs who are giving it their best. YOU r the reason DR ranked up, not the zergfails.

Oh, I see the big picture. I have been saying the same thing that you are, actually. You would know that if you actually read all the way through before you started formulating your response in your head.

If you read and actually absorb the text and consider it, you would have seen that I even said I agree with the point you are trying to get across. I can’t stand your marketing. I agree with building up and defense. Up until the last few weeks I would drop nameless props to your guild mates and I have even gone as far as to say That some of your guild mates are a pleasure to work with.

Now, It’s just the same broken crap with you. You’ve run out of fuel and all you have is 3 iterations of the same thing to say mixxed in with some old man outdated attitude. The horse is dead and now your attitude is turning people off.

If you can not see that, then I don’t think it’s me who doesn’t see the big picture, Thumper.

As Far as GASM, who doesn’t need to be brought into this at all, they rock. I have seen Ohh hop into map and talk to people. Heck, I’m a nobody and he and I have actually worked together from different ends of the map to work on different things. reporting numbers, what’s going on and checking to see of the other needed help. It was a pretty awesome interaction. There are lot’s of guilds out there with plenty of people. When you tell the whole map they suck, I can imagine that plenty of them decide you do too and that’s when you start losing people.

Lots of people are putting gold and time into the server, stop using it as an excuse to be a jerk. You’ll never get people to work together well if you yourself are unable to work with people. What I have seen is you only work well with anyone when it’s going your way. And once you start to lose your grip and people start slipping through your fingers you squeeze whats left in your hands out when you tantrum in map chat.

Whats pretty funny is I bet you have guild mates who agree with me. Lord knows there are plenty of others that do according to some of the personal messages I have received from other players. I’ll tell you what. the last thing I expected to see in my messages was fan mail scattered betwixt the forum warnings

if after 3 months of trying and you can’t get it right maybe the full problem isn’t with the server, eh? troops need to be led, and this isn’t the military, pops. You can’t demand people to listen, you need to make them want to. You can’t even see that.

Don’t talk to me about the big picture. All you are looking at is the area around you.

eqpablon.9072:

Just want to state that I have never seen Eyanthina “rip” on anyone in map chat, ever. Also, he’s posted here twice…. so he is hardly ranting all the time.

Finally, for a post criticizing how Dred and Eyan talk to people, you seem to not be the best at diplomacy either. This makes it hard to take your argument seriously.

I got to watch him, and I honestly thought at first it as a morningstar or a dred alt. man was he going off. All I could think was what the hell is happening in chat? His name just stuck with me after watching it for a while.

Never laid claim to him being a form goer. I would consider my postings towards him something that could be spun into a positive light. I’m asking questions and the right answers could make him look good.

Don’t take me serious, that’s alright. But I’m not very wrong, am I?

Eyanthina.6824:

In response to the typical flamers or people who just like to stir stuff up for the sake of their amusement, this flaming gets old very fast.

In response to people ripping on Dred, although he spends time on forums a lot and abrasiveness towards others tends to affect his communication he does not do it to cause harm or be malicious. Dred simply wants what all DR wants with respect to us as a server and the several guilds on it to coordinate and work together better, he has difficulty in expressing it because he has an acute understanding of Wv3 and feels strongly about it.

As a pro officer I disagree with trolling forums in general which is why you rarely see me post in these things, but I add on behalf of my entire guild that the face of PRO on borderlands is seldom that which you see on a forum, we have several good leaders who communicate with others respectfully, who can lead by example, who can get positive results and work with many DR guilds and also random players respectively.

Any commander will know that leading in a map can be very stressful when things dont work out or people make a mess of a strategy it can be very frustrating, some of us manage this better than others.

I have seen many viewpoints expressed here but perhaps above all the one I am about to make should be taken more seriously by everyone, Treat others the way you wish to be treated! its as simple as that. I know for my guild we try our best as a majority to treat others on our server and also our enemies with respect, while not all of us might always be this way do not let a few people who might feel stressed out or upset reflect poorly on PRO as a guild overall.

Try not to report this till you read it. If you are actually trying to help the server then there are some lessons you need here. Try reading as a concerned realm mate and not someone attempting to shield their ego.

So, when you and Dred are ripping on people in map chat, throwing around insults, and screaming like lunatics , are you treating people how you want to be treated? If so, then the flaming and the hate is something you have worked for.

I see lots of excuses for the behavior that comes from your tag. Lot’s and Lot’s of excuses. Dred is the king of flippnig excuses when he lacks the perfection he likes to portray. So, what are you doing to fix how your guild is being viewed by the server? How are you trying to save a little face? It’s bothersome that we are stuck on a server together and your group cant get it together enough to show some respect to the other people on the same server. It makes it hard to understand how you can even try to pretend to care about the server when you talk to its populous like they are beneath you. Too Many Excuses.

From the rantings I have seen from You and Dred, I feel conflicted. I see the point and the argument but you suck at talking to people. Why do I want to even deal with you or him out there? Yep Zerging is a losing formula. If you are serious about staying and working on this server, getting away from zerging, you need to learn how to deal with people. you will never get the numbers you need talking how you talk.

Can you not imagine that while you are ranting that people are simply wishing you would shut up? Can you not imagine that if people are getting sick of you that they are prolly ignoring you? Can you not imagine that people will spite you if you kitten them off enough? I have seen this first hand. It disgusted me too, but I have literally seen people do the opposite of what you are trying to get them to do because they are sick of you. I’m not kidding. I couldn’t believe it. I think it was actually my breaking point.

this is what you are getting for reaction out there. You need to care about more than PRO and talking about PRO and being about PRO. You need to be about the server if you really want to change something. You can not yield results talking like that.

This is prolly going to sound insane, but you two have never spoken to me like this. I am not here because it’s all about me. I’m here for the people I watch this happen to. It’s unnecessary

That’s WoW mentality. This game is built around teamwork, it rewards you for it. ANet did an insane job of making a game that got people to work together instead of trying to screw each other over.

You boys have some adjusting to make, imo.

Neeho.3859:

Drednyte.7601:

So before you want to toss rocks and spit at us…remember this: without guilds like ours YOU wouldnt be where you are today.

If only we could vote Commanders off the island like once a week, make them earn another 100g before they can icon up again.

We got to where we are despite some commanders and because of some… but it is the general populace that got us here. I think we’re doing better as the weeks go on as we learn to ignore the commanders who don’t have a clue and use their title to stroke their own egos.

Freakin’ whoa… That’s a pretty awesome idea. too extreme for today’s MMO. but the idea itself could be used in less painful way.

I wonder if Anet has anything like that in the works. Not so much a “punishment” system but a voting system. SWG had something like that way back when. A cool concept if you figure out a way to prevent cheaters from winning the votes and about people who actually could improve the server without side effects of, Big Fat Head Explosions. haha

Does Ashwood still play? man that guy was awesome. That guy. I don’t know him. Not guided with him. Not even sure what guild he is in TBH. All I know is he can run a map. I’ve seen him show up a few times. ..in the past

Get into map, see whats up, see who’s doing what and worked with it. He didn’t show up to a map and demand everyone stop what they are doing, and to all follow him. he would speak to the camp teams, check on fights and ask for / send help where it was needed. There was defense. he reminded people to build towers and keeps. He helped pay for it or at the very least help to get donations sent to someone trying to upgrade a Keep. He was all over the place. up and down across and back. Never had a zerg up his kitten he had people where they needed to be. He knew how to tell where that was without having to be there.

He got results suggesting and asking for help and presented it with some class. He didn’t sit there and make excuses either. Who’s doing that? Paig? lilj, Boman, a few others? A handful. what are the rest of you doing?

StormWolf.7645:

Sumwun.3846:

I don’t care about his personal back story.

:‘( You don’t care about my backstory?! But Dred spent almost 30 minutes making it up! You should at least read it over and proclaim what a horrible person it makes me, and only then should you resist temptation to fall into such a pitfall and state your unwillingness to accept another man’s opinion until you have faced me on your own terms.

My deepest apologies, good sir. While I have no doubt you have a fantastic fiction and nonfiction back story, alike. My decision to not care about your back story was based on two quick decisions.

Source.

Relevance.

But. If you are willing to share, manage to keep it on topic, by talking about that time you kicked my behind over near that camp when I had just finished capping it and killing your yak… then go for it!

lets keep it light. not perverted and share a smile.

Change my mind! make me dislike you.

fun fights in DRB, i killed two reds and a rabbit.

Bunzy.8674:

Tiglie.5834:

Bunzy.8674:

Tiglie.5834:

If OG could play as well as they post, it would have actually been exciting back on EB.

You are really going to call us out? This should be interesting. I take it you are challenging us? I will record it for everyone.

Rofl, you asked for it. Check back in the hour and i’ll post a video of us rolling you over, and over, and over, and over again. Funny part is it wasn’t even close to the A team (i.e. I wasn’t online)

lolol okay ill check back in an hour.

where is the brawl. Is it wrong to root for the other servers team?

Not sure if this is belated or not, but Grats on T7 K. Not too sure what happened over the last few weeks. Did any of the guilds that split come back or did you guys pick up some new team mates? Lots of fresh 80’s? one way or the other Grats to those of you who stuck it out!

Draygo.9473:

Also were utilizing T7 strats atm. Next week T6 strats. Its possible we can meet again in T5 if you continue to stall in T5 in two weeks time.

haha!! I thought you guys bumped up! I was going to visit but wasn’t sure. Grats!

Drednyte.7601:

StormWolf.7645:

Eyanthina.6824:

PRO is on DR to stay, and if it wasn’t I would not have spent so much time trying to build an alliance with other DR guilds, don’t take the words of one player to stand for the consensus of our entire guild.

Eyanthina [PRO] Officer!

No offense as you’re one of few PRO officers I have no reason to dislike(mostly because this is the only time I’ve seen you post and it’s a sensible post.) But, if you want people to not take Dred seriously, it’s best you have him remove that “Co-Leader of PRO” part from his Signature. Unfortunately, PRO gets a lot of bad press because many of it’s “Leaders” are very vocal, and often spouting that hot air you mentioned. For example…this event. When you speak as a Guild Leader, you need to take into account you are speaking on behalf of the members of your Guild.

Oh look..heres the Kaineng troll AGAIN….are you ever going to stop chasing DR and offering up your T8 strats?

He came offering truth and logic. My suggestion would be to learn from it.

Morningstar.6208:

Devona might stay or fall from this tier due to getting double teamed but in the end Devona will be the one going up when match up changes.

what?
It may stay, or it may fall. But it will move up.

I want to try a few of these.

You would be a better leader if you learned to lead and not react, but even if you don’t do either, you will still be annoying at the end of the week.

Leading a zerg is basically like going to the mall and being in front of everyone going to the same store at the same time, when you all get there nobody is shopping for the same thing. then you yell at them all because Macy’s is doing a special on your favorite item and everyone needs to come help you overkill the purchase, if you are able to figure out how to make the purchase in the first place. Stupid credit card swiper things. THERE ARE 4 WAYS THE CARD CAN SWIPE. SWIPE MORE AND FASTER. MORE HANDS ARE NEEDED TO SWIPE THIS SINGLE CARD.

Bad commanders can either learn to lead better or stop leading, or keep leading too.

When an inevitable situation is known to be inevitable it is always wisest to do nothing about that situation until it’s right in your face and all you are left with is. reaction and panic.

I don’t think I do it as well as you do.

Morningstar.6208:

Only thing I have seen so far BP begging maguma and devona to ally with them and seems maguma favors BP. They almost don’t attack each other’s BLs and when BP gets attacked by Maguma and Devona they start whispering trying to make deals. Maguma also only achieve something when they outnumber enemy 2:1 with golems and avoiding fight letting BP Devona fight while they PvDoor their stuff on other side. Devona might stay or fall from this tier due to getting double teamed but in the end Devona will be the one going up when match up changes.

Begging? or using a strat that requires more than yelling in all caps, and screaming at other people like an jackhole? 3v3 for a reason beyond, "defend my tower at all costs and let the supply run dry cause my 30+man zerg is unable to cap more than one location at a time and we don’t know why. "

Cool that you said that tho. Cause anyone with the ability to think beyond 3 feet in front of them may have just seen something useful in that piddly girl-like gripe.

saiyr.3071:

Bunzy.8674:

I hope we can out of this matchup asap, I miss T4 like crazy.

Joke’s on you, we’re losing ranking points this week unless a miracle happens. For the overall WvW perspective, this match has been a lot more interesting and the thread has had gasp much more cross-server respect. I could get used to that.

Sumwun.3846:

Drednyte.7601:

Oh…FYI to all:

PRO will be transfering to a new server on reset. Destination unknown at this time.

Is this due to some inner server turmoil or just a fair weather jump?

After this last weekend. I am beginning to wonder if there is a server better suited for my personality and mind set. There must be a server that exists that is more about teamwork and planning than ego stroking and self promotion.

It’s called Maguuma. Mwahaha. Seriously though.

hahaha, well if thats the case, I couldn’t make that move till we aren’t at war. I am so against pink hat PvP that to jump to a winning server makes me feel cheap. I like to work for my win. I like to contribute. I like to see growth, and more important I enjoy a team victory. I’m one of the last of a dying breed. I want to be on a team. Not surrounded by Me’s and I’s.

GuardianOMS.8067:

This will be interesting to watch. I’ve yet to see an alliance not crumble and fall.

They all fall at some point. They are meant to.
I hate the word alliance, and I despise the idea of a “truce” in the classic form of the words.

But, to decide against a tactical decision to simply spit in the face of the words “Truce” and “Alliance” is simply ignorant.

granted different folks have different strokes. not everyone plays for the win at the end of the week. Some want to kill, kill, kill. That’s cool. Nobody should be telling Player-X they are not allowed to attack Blue Tower – X. It’s a game. You have no right. Just like James Games has every right to spend stupid amounts of gold on Goloms only to get them burned down walking around aimlessly. It’s his right. It’s your right to simply go have fun somewhere else and ignore him for existing.

That being said, if people on your server are trying to build a win working “something out” with another server, the least you could do is take the time to consider what’s happening outside your limited field of view. Sometimes it’s far easier to do when the people working this out actually communicate. Let’s not forget you are all one of many on a server, just because you feel you are better you are not. Stop being jackholes and communicate. Team mates.

Mag was grinding our faces in the dirt and BP was helping. If not going after a blue tower means we relieve pressure from somewhere else so our smaller numbers can deal elsewhere, whats the big deal?

Get the score close. Then when it’s close people who can do more than lead 20+ others to a door need to figure out how to manipulate numbers, people, score later.

Not attacking BP gives us more numbers for mag.
Not attacking BP makes it easier to defend against mag.
Not attacking BP moves us out of 3rd

attacking BP undoes all that.

Attacking BP gets us invaders from BP while we are having a hard time keeping Mag out.
Attacking BP gets us beat on from the east in EB
and attacking BP takes people out of other areas where we actually need them.

From what I have gathered, the agreement leaves SM open as well as camps. So really, whats the problem here? we can still fight BP, but working with them preserves our noses.

Want to take a tower? go take a tower from Mag. Why is this so insulting to so many of my server mates?

We’ve been here before and it blows my mind people are still confused by this ultra simple notion.

Drednyte.7601:

Oh…FYI to all:

PRO will be transfering to a new server on reset. Destination unknown at this time.

Is this due to some inner server turmoil or just a fair weather jump?

After this last weekend. I am beginning to wonder if there is a server better suited for my personality and mind set. There must be a server that exists that is more about teamwork and planning than ego stroking and self promotion.

Nice Weekend K! Anyone want to throw up a current score?

Crazy weekend, Gang. Didn’t expect this type of outcome by Sunday evening.

StormWolf.7645:

:p Nicely done sir, nicely done.

/Tips Hat

Draygo.9473:

Congradulations
I wish you all best of luck, especially RED and SoCo, will miss you guys.

I propose we throw a going away dance party tomorrow

I’ll be watching for this dance party..

Also, thanks, Dray, You’ve posted a few nice things about/towards SoCo and it means a lot to me and I’m sure plenty of my family feels the same.

Last night after one of our guildies got to finish his Legendary, our GM wanted to go WvW some. We gathered up a small group and hit a map. We had a lot of fun last night, in general. When a map finally gets cracked open we all know a zerg is going to spill in. But up until we were removed from WvW we simply ran around and did some killing, capping, and general field fighting.

I was really fun watching the armies of enemys and friendlies rushing around the southern end of the map. I remember standing on the platform in The South East tower and watching a medium sized group of defenders appear out of the water and run into a camp for a cap after watching a group of us leave and head north across the bridge. Granted I radioed it in. It was just really cool to watch these guys watch us and move at the right time. Had I not been just afk a moment before who knows. It was busy and very fun to see it all happening from outside the fight.

My commander did a great job of keeping it fun. She always does. She speaks to the /map saying crazy stuff like, please, and thank you. Props go out to our partners in crime when we are out there. Be it RagTag, Dark, or random pugs who link up with us. We all try to make it about everyone.

Lot’s of people complain about pugs and I will agree that there are people out there who simply refuse to think. It happens when I’m logged out of the game too. But I find many of the people who link up with us while we are out there listen and try hard to help. Newbs ask questions and get friendly, serious answers. When that happens they learn and more importantly, I feel, they are more willing to listen to you, regardless of Icon status or not, when you behave as if you are peers, and not like you are talking to some “scrub” . I am sorry I can’t name any of the guilds I am seeing out there, I will try to work on this.

Our team work was improved as well. I watched countless people talk back and forth about different areas and different maps. Sharing information for the sake of doing better, I think many would agree it’s more fun when you aren’t going at it with your own server mates.

StormWolf.7645:

A quote can be to reinforce what was said, not just contradict. :p

QFT

:)

Heya Responders

I agree that when we are up a tier we will have our hand forced. And I am ok with getting beat on. Both K and DR suffered far worse, when we were fledgling servers with no population. I would like to move up, but not under the circumstances of us having better numbers than the server who just landed in our dust pile after an out of control tail spin from tiers above. that’t something to be ashamed of, especially if we could have done it legitimately.

I absolutely believe we can take Ferg. I just feel like so many are just perfectly happy not trying and reaping the benefits winning the “numbers game” The fact the my server decided that sending 3 commanders to attack a half green borderland for K while almost nobody is willing to stick their head into ferg forces me to wonder why.

Why do we need that much force in K? and Why isn’t some of that force being used to gain us points via Ferg map? I see lots of people talk a lot of talk up here, but so far all I have seen is NP shutting us down every time we walk into Ferg. Why is this a regular thing when we have the numbers and talent to get in there?

I know moving up will not be easy either way, but winning first place because the guy in first got sick is lame.

Draygo.9473:

Devona’s careful plan of actually attacking ferg failed this week.

I tried to reply to this 3 times today. Each time ended up with me ranting about my home.

Ferg is no walk in the park. Stepping into ferg between 6-11 Eastern requires a few things IMO.

multiple coordinated groups
non zerg minded leaders in almost all the groups
people willing to die trying and willing to go die trying a few more times.
coordination, planning, and communication between the groups going in.

Last night I started feeling like my server is afraid to go and try Ferg. Sure there are a few people who will go out there and eat dirt attempting to try, but recently my home seems more interested in beating on the pile of dried out horse meat that is Kain. Sending in multiple zergs to beat on a staggering server that just recently lost a majority of it’s stronger guilds. This is not skill.

It’s inevitable that our server is going to move up, but what really bothers me is it seems to me my Server is satisfied with being sent up because another server fell behind. That’s far from a skill based victory. Our realm points have been creeping up, and we are still quite a distance from getting to 1k points. we would have needed to break more than that 4 weeks ago to move up. now, we can sit in our own complacency while waiting for a server to drop out of the tier above us and I think there will be people who chalk it up to progression. It’s not. to Talent. It’s not. To skill. It’s not.

I hopped multiple maps last night trying to get people to come to Ferg, the result was less than impressive. My server is interested in taking the path of least resistance. How will we be dealing with this when we are the path of least resistance? throw smaller zergs at at their zergs? XP trains? Bickering in house? lack of defense? or awesome tactics like; lets build a golom army and see if it can take out a door before the defenders take out the goloms?

Maybe there is a little coordination between some guilds, but as a whole I sometimes feel like my home has far too many chiefs who think the other chiefs are idiots and that they can just win this thing doing their own thing. Bleak comes to mind.

I got this..

I am almost certain that this question is in reference to a battle that took place near a sentinel

Psychophant.5682:

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Yes, I was once far enough that I was able to decide to use and even go want to do exactly look more like. We did need to stop in a time so we could begin to take the want from the do to do the do too. once that was finished we made the end of the line and we saw to look as well.

That should cover it.

KwayZee.5742:

Mosharn.8357:

Tis true on PRO’s numbers. They only had like 28 or so people on and bout 15-20 were in wvw so the PRO’s got numbers thing is a false statement

Finally some solid evidence that we are not lying about our numbers.. We dont zerg, we just work really well together heh.

Not to mention we all carry siege haha.

If we are being fair and honest, I will say that I can’t recall being in a zerg of Pro. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if I found myself in one trying to scramble to defend our BL

I normally see / interact with Pro in our Southern BL. There is almost always a small pocket of them on border patrol. I have run countless supply to the west tower in BL’s and I am almost always running with one or two pro. Come to think of it. I almost always see a few pro at the southern end of any BL. Members are usually part of a minority who will stay behind to help finish a door, build a cart, or to help run.

In the name of fairness I will admit that perhaps Pro has a tendency to over represent themselves on the forms, and I could see how some of that representation could annoy the living daylights out of anyone warring against them. But There are members of this guild who simply show up and help. That’s Huge and it’s exactly what we need more of. Even our competition mocks us for being a mindless zerg of blathering fools. Know this, when they are mocking the server, me, my friends, Pro, or anyone else. they are specifically NOT talking about the members of Pro I am speaking about now. intentionally full circle. To be honest, I’m not much of a chest thumper and I tend to not agree with anyone who does it, be it DR or another server. But if I have to choose between some tongue and cheek humor from a member of PRO or some halfwit tropemonkey e-thugging an artificial rep spitting out mindless quips … I’m unfortunately going to have to pick the former.

I would also like to take this time to give a little props to RED as well. I am seeing a lot of the same thing coming out of RED the last few weeks. plenty of people down South, and keeping the BL somewhat peaceful.

Pretty soon peeps, we will be trying to keep that border clear of two servers with potentially more WvW numbers than we have now. I am happy to be called on and hope to be with you kicking the unwanted out of my zip code.

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

Our tier must smell funny. No one stays anymore. I shower, I promise.

Anyone who has been down wind of him knows this is a blatant lie. I have seen people abandon trebs at 9/10th complete to escape his odoriferous emanations.

Edit to stay on topic. Golanta was under attack yesterday.