Guild Wars 2

CMstorm.8679:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Depends on how bad the break was. That said, he’s a sad excuse for a Guardian to not have condition removal to take care of it.

I really don’t think condition removal can fix a BROKEN LEG. no offense

Sure it can. I mean, it’s like the whole of “why can’t we just Phoenix Down Aeris” in a nutshell. Yes, I get the whole “gameplay and story segregation” reasoning. That’s why there was sarcasm.

But my first point stands. Depending on how badly broken it was and where it broke, he might not quite walk the same for a while. Even if norns heal quicker. If it was the kneecap, he might have to stop his adventuring career and become a Wolfborn.

. . . yes, two memes, same post. I can go for three, if you like.

Qawsada.4251:

Realistically, they have enough men for the order to get involve, so it sense the Pact should join in.

Realistically, that kind of thing can start wars. Just saying.

Shiren.9532:

It also raises questions about how little valued or respected the player commander is. We were the ones who “figured out” (with lots of hand holding) the attack was taking place. We knew the city needed to be defended. Why didn’t we, as commanders in the Pact, try to get some kind of reinforcements for the city when we knew the Captain’s Council wasn’t going to do it?

Don’t know what you’re talking about, Commander of the Pact,my charr warrior is a well-respected new recruit of the Vigil and running around supporting his squad in trying to hold Fort Marriner.

Depends on how bad the break was. That said, he’s a sad excuse for a Guardian to not have condition removal to take care of it.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Yeah I really hope the merchant is a Skritt. Would make so much sense “I trade you one of these black weird rocks for 100 shinies? Yes yes!” But it would be a cool throwback for Nick.

(Obsidian shards from blade shards, is what I’m imagining)

But I hope dragonite.

I hope we can dispose of former collectables from Scarlet’s army for Citizen Reward Bags for those people who couldn’t get to the Scarlet Hologram fight.

I . . . don’t think they can just walk away from each other. I think whatever the heck Scarlet did for them to be able to do what they do has warped them.

Shiren.9532:

Before you say they didn’t know that would happen (which isn’t the defense Laranthir offers btw) the Pact knew what was happening and how big a threat Scarlet was.

But, as was said, she wasn’t a dragon and it wasn’t even considered until after it was all done except the grieving. It kind of looks weird if the Pact shows up and bunks down somewhere to fight when it’s not clear a dragon or its minions are involved . . . especially in Lion’s Arch where their freedom is sort of important to them.

Not just from the three Orders but from one of their own commanders – the player character. Between the Priory and the Order of Whispers does it even make sense the Pact had no idea that Scarlet might be linked to an Elder Dragon? I mean players figured it out pretty early on.

Bear in mind, some subsections of the players have also floated the following:

- It was Primordius she was drilling for, and the Destroyers would be involved.

- Captain Kiel/Captain Gnashblade was a traitor and would turncoat so the other could kill them.

- Asura are, in fact, the most awesome thing ever.

Farzo.8410:

Nicholas, the Time Traveler!

Nicholas the Time Lord? Nah, don’t think so. But I did hear they were preparing to canonize him for sainthood. Patron Saint of Packrats.

Kalavier.1097:

That’s the thing.

A: NOBODY knew where Scarlet’s armies were. He can’t order an attack on an enemy he can’t find.

Well, we do know where she was going to be before the Marionette test reached a conclusion. The problem was that we didn’t have confirmation Scarlet was tied to the dragons until now. IT casts a weird cast on the Pact (made to combat dragons) attacking someone who was not a dragon . . . I know it would make a great many people nervous to have that might thrown around.

B: If they marched into LA and set up defenses, it’d be treated as a MILITARY OCCUPATION. Captains council and citizens would both flip out and possibly riot/attack the Pact.

Don’t think it would have gotten that far, unless it was done despite the unanimous vote of the Captain’s Council.

I do think it would have been played up a lot in Divinity’s Reach for certain about the Pact picking fights with someone not a dragon or confirmed dragon follower instead of the other two legitimate targets which are known to exist.

Already expecting they won’t mobilize until we get confirmation Mordremoth exists and is west of the Brisban Wildlands. By which point our lovely group is going to be poised to move in anyway and bring the zerg with them.

C: Even if they saved city (with damage from falling airships and molten/toxic attacks) the Citizens could turn it to a “The Pact made us a target!” in their grief.

It’s notable they’re already blaming sylvari in some places.

Knifetwister.3815:

You guys really know how to hit me right in the feels. Took some effort to keep the waterworks under control there.

It’s time for some creative manipulation of facts . . .

“They’re fighting in the Mist War now, kid. Remember, they’ll be the reason we took Stonemist Castle and routed the enemy so far back we forgot green was on the map and it was just red vs blue like the old days.”

Razor.9872:

Near the beginning of The Sea of Sorrows, two norn brothers took on a full boarding squad of charr and were winning. Not only were they winning…they were bored

This is why you don’t send rangers to the front of the line.

Worth noting I’m aware of the lore concerning the religon of charr and how it turned into anti-theism. Not atheism since they acknowledge there are powerful beings who are gods to other races . . . just not for the charr. “There are no gods for the charr.”

Of all the races on Tyria, the charr have decided they make their own fate, and carve their own destiny out regardless of who stands in their way. It’d be almost admirable if I didn’t have to look out on a similar mind’s mark on the world where Ascalon City used to stand.

Sarrs.4831:

I actually went to check on a few characters; Riel Darkwater in particular, because I know she’s Commodore Lawson’s attache.

Not exactly what she does. But we don’t talk about that.

Apparently, Doern Velazquez thinks that Lion’s Arch still needs agents sent there to protect it. Yes Doern. The city full of dead bodies and nothing needs people protecting it.

Of course it still needs protecting. Just because Scarlet’s dead doesn’t mean there’s not some opportunistic pirates who would love to take a swing at a weakened city.

A R W E N.6895:

lol i got bored after 200h in Gw2, but I did not get bored after 2400h in Gw1

I don’t think I’ve played any single game that much which wasn’t an MMO I was paying for monthly. Not even if I add up all the different versions of Final Fantasy 4 I’ve played (all of them but the DS).

After 100 hours of most games I’m still tapping out for something fresh and different. Even GW2 I take breaks from often. Usually assisted by my work schedule

Kalavier.1097:

Traehearne never stole glory from the player. If you did personal story and paid attention you would see that.

I know that, I argue against that perception all the darn time, so that tells me how many people would jump right to their keyboards if “Battle of Lion’s Arch” had any Pact involvement where Trahearne would be mentioned even if it was “the Marshall”.

I mean, I’m already stocking up screenshots again for when the inevitable happens and the Pact moves on Mordremoth.

Celtic Lady.3729:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

But then, it’s still better than Twilight.

Made me laugh.

I’m not talking about the book. I’m talking about the pony. Oh lord the things I have to hear about her make me want to get a few casks of amontillado and some masonry skills.

Qawsada.4251:

Its funny how they split the Pact and Order with the story seem so “convenient” for the writer to twist their own needs. The Pact would have dealt with Scarlet long ago if they were given a chance to but alas! Everyone have to play idiot just so some Mary Sue Sylvari can invade LA.

I’m sure the Pact would have dealt with Scarlet if they were given a chance to, and we’d see more threads about how Trahearne was a Mary Sue Glory Hog for the Pact getting involved.

The less the Pact is involved in anything other than steadily making Orr safer for all of Tyria? The better.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Normally, asura gates cannot be shut off remotely. Which is why Shudd was surprised that Evon was able to. In the books – particularly Ghosts of Ascalon – as well as the gatekeeper NPC dialogues show that they are very much manual configurations and have to be tuned on both ends before they work properly.

Yup.

I say Evon’s got some explaining to do on how he did that and if anyone else can. If he’s the only one who knows how . . . well, how about we get Kiel to reassign him to Orr? And if he refuses to speak, get us four mesmers and a locked room – it’ll come out.

PeterThomas.7243:

The titan stuff was followed up with the quest line starting with The Last Day Dawns http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Last_Day_Dawns_ ending in The Titan Source http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Titan_Source_. These were only available after completing the Prophecies main quest line. The quests weren’t very heavy on story; mostly the players were just cleaning up the titans that had wandered the map, but you did get some dialogue stuffs with Adelbern.

And they weren’t present on release either, notably.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

… nothing about the consequences of the White Mantle leaving a power vacuum in Kryta…

The Shining Blade seized that opportunity to put Queen Salma in power. That’s why we were reporting to her in War In Kryta. Not quite sure why this is causing you confusion.

There’s no confusion; it just wasn’t handled immediately after Prophecies . .. or Factions . . . or Nightfall . . . Really. It lingered for a good long while, one of those open plots which nobody talked about.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

…and nothing about what happens to Ascalon when the only heir to the throne after Adelbern is dead.

Ascalon became an uninhabitable ghost-infested ruin, that’s what. Go read The Ghosts of Ascalon http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ghosts_of_ascalon if you need more details.

Thanks, I know about that. I’m not going to read the book though, I have bigger books to eat through first.

But I more mean, much like Kryta, immediate aftermath. Of which there might as well been nothing after the titans were cleaned up. Nothing happened until it was a past-tense “oh this happened” when we got into GW2.

Arenanet actually hasn’t been too bad at explaining things up until now, they just take their sweet time at it. Or they put those explanations inside purchaseable items such as the “Bonus Mission Pack” or the physical novels. The threads do get tied up eventually.

The Bonus Mission mostly explained nothing we didn’t already know when it was released, with the exception of Saul D’Alessio’s fate.

As for things not tied up, I could get a list of things never really talked about in Tyria, just that continent.

It was never tied up where the Scepter of Orr is, exactly. It was never tied up what happened with Glint’s egg and progeny. It was never tied up what the heck Galrath was doing, or what was the deal with the Wizard’s Tower. We never got any idea what happened regarding Evennia. There was never any talk about what the heck Majesty’s Rest was and why there was an incredibly dangerous bone drake protecting it. We never found out where the other Bloodstones were, or what happened to the one Gadd and Livia uncovered. Who the heck commissioned Zinn to create R.O.X., N.O.X. and P.O.X. ?

I’m sure there’s more.

With Scarlet, however, they have their work cut out for them. The threads surrounding her story are a tangled mess that I doubt will ever make complete sense.

Not much argument there. But then, it’s still better than Twilight.

DarcShriek.5829:

How do you cleanse Orr without killing Zhaitan?

That’s a good question, and one I don’t expect a living piece of wood to have an answer for. I mean, I expect it to be able to tell me about a rogue sylvari child who has an unhealthy obsession with engineering, ley-lines and screwing destiny . . . oh wait.

Yeah, I don’t really think the Pale Tree bothers too much with the details.

Kalavier.1097:

It’s not going to be an easy cleanup.

Four Warriors can do it in three days, if they’re as OP as people claim

Otherwise, I recommend air-dropping all the asura in there without their golems and shooting any who try to escape. They’ll get it sorted out.

DarcShriek.5829:

Trehearne’s wild hunt is to kill the elder dragon and clean up Orr. It is not to save one group of pirates from an attack by another group of pirates.

No, his wyld hunt was to cleanse Orr. Caithe’s was to fight (not kill) the dragons.

John.5732:

I don’t blame Allie. It was just she did not have the time to discuss ideas and build a proposal for the important issues of the Ranger (like perma-stowing, pet AI, traps, no burst damage, etc), which is clearly what the Ranger CDI needed.

Perma-stow was mostly off the table, not as much as “get rid of it entirely” was. Pet AI was already known to be an issue way too big for them to get to short of a massive undertaking which wouldn’t leave room for anything else to get done.

The rest could have been talked about, and it should have been discussed how the ranger is not filling the role they envisioned. Except a lot of people wanted to talk about how the pet needed to go, or never should have been around ever ever ever WTF ANet.

Honestly what the ranger CDI needed was way more attention especially after it began spiraling out of control around when it grew a least six pages in twelve hours. And not “lock it til I can read”, more like “get some people who can talk about these things so we can put X topic to bed and move on”.

Of course, if we get a redo, and I sincerely hope we do, I would be overjoyed to have a dev who can more quickly discuss what is viable and liked.

We probably won’t get a redo, and frankly I’m not sure it would turn out any differently from our side.

RedStar.4218:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Of course, it’s still in line with writing before. See: Markis’ betrayal, and Saidra’s sacrifice.

It’s exactly in line with the epilogues from all four GW1 storylines, where the wrap-up was full of that sort of thing.

You’re going to have to explain the link between Saidra’s sacrifice and Scarlet’s lack of motivation.

First, “lack of motivation” is an assumption and a big difference from “they had a motivation and didn’t tell anyone”.

Secondly, that’s not what I have to explain. What I have to explain is how three NPCs pretty much did things for absurd reasons. Markis betrayed the Shining Blade only after the player joined up and seemingly only out of jealousy. (Maybe because my ranger was better than him.) Saidra could have escaped with us but chose to run to her death and barely slow the Mursaat chasing us. Scarlet chose to not once explain or leave hints to “true motives” until she wanted to buy time to keep from dying.

Really, if Scarlet wanted us to know, she would have done so. That line “don’t you want to know why?” comes off as trying to give time for her to escape or turn the tables. She might have told us, but then we’d be looking like morons for letting her monologue. And we’d be having a topic: “Re: Scarlet’s Monologue, couldn’t we have just killed her?!”.

And the epilogues being full of jokes is a rather big exaggeration. You just had the old Cynn/Mhenlo jokes, the rest being filled with “thank you”s and what everyone will now be up to.

Heh, no. Check it out sometime, the Epilogue of Prophecies which was added late but had in-jokes explaining why the “old” henchmen disappeared for Ascalon’s Chosen. The Factions one had the Ministry bits. The Epilogue of Eye of the North had the norn and asura.

Even Nightfall had “Norgu’s Nightfall”. Do I really need to elaborate on that terrible thing? (I know it was intentionally bad. But then it falls into “comedy” instead of “bad writing”.)

But comparing GW1’s epilogues with this is unfair. It’s not the same thing, not only due to the size of it, but because we don’t feel things are right. Sure Scarlet is dead but what about her huge armies ? what about LA ? or the dragons ?

The epilogue following “Hell’s Precipice” was literally only Glint giving a voiceover version of “Congraturations, you won!”. Nothing about the titans which had escaped that far, nothing about the consequences of the White Mantle leaving a power vacuum in Kryta, and nothing about what happens to Ascalon when the only heir to the throne after Adelbern is dead.

All that got pushed in after the fact, and it still didn’t answer anything for . . . what was it, six years for War In Kryta? . . . let alone the fallout of Shiro’s plague . . . and there’s still threads which were left untouched.

There’s nothing new about the threads being left to dangle for exceptionally long times or seemingly forgotten about. I won’t pretend ANet is good at tightly written material – they’re not. They’re better at making it (mostly) entertaining along the way, and making some good characters we like to remember fondly.

Kuro Zetsumei.1397:

oh look, more whining… I really think some of you forget this is an MMO and not an RPG like Skyrim.

Eh, Skyrim was still a terrible follow-up to a series which produced Morrowind.

Kaiyanwan.8521:

Look at the game and the LS, how long do you expect there will be enough people around to do all the zerg stuff? Seriously.
They better hurry with the dragons, or there will be noone left to kill the last few ones…

Seriously? As many people as I could find to do Zaishen Quests before. That is, “enough to get the job done”.

Though, thanks to my work schedule, I’ll still probably get shut out of anything other than nibbling daily achievements to complete the meta.

RedStar.4218:

DarcShriek.5829:

Does it really matter why? Would knowing why change anything? She did it, because she wanted to.

Because the story of a mastermind doing this because she wanted to doesn’t make sense. Especially considering all her history.

Of course, it’s still in line with writing before. See: Markis’ betrayal, and Saidra’s sacrifice.

But who cares, I don’t mean to offend them, but the writers of this game seem to be writing for teenagers now so they try to keep it simple, with a joke every two lines (like the epilogue we just got…)

It’s exactly in line with the epilogues from all four GW1 storylines, where the wrap-up was full of that sort of thing.

I think it’d make things as awesome as if they only dropped from Fractals 30+, or Stonemist Castle Lord chests.

Awesome for those who sell them, in other words.

Kaiyanwan.8521:

TheSwede.9512:

No.

We wanted Dragons. We got Dragons.

No.

We wanted Dragons. We got Scarlet.

Now, 15 monthes later, ANet remembered that this whole game was about those Elder Dragons, and that it was a mistake to ignore that.

Well, there are only six dragons, so if we blow through them all in five years wouldn’t that kind of limit further plot? I mean, it’d be like Lost being about getting back to the island after they got off it successfully.

. . . wait . . .

Konig Des Todes.2086:

2) Waypoints cost money even in lore. Not everyone would have the money.

Logan: “Taimi, you’re coming with me to Rata Sum.”
Taimi: “Are you paying for the waypoints?”
Logan: “. . . well there goes my pay for the next year.”

3) Waypoints don’t seem capable of moving entire caravans, just individuals and what’s on said individuals. Perhaps if dolyaks were sentient enough to use waypoints, maybe then it’d work, but I doubt it’d work for carts and wagons.

No, dolyaks require asura gates which can be shut off remotely. Yes, I’m still bitter about Evon pulling that crap.

But yeah, waypoints is one of the “wtf this doesn’t make sense” things added into GW2.

But then again, what about resurrection shrines in GW1? That was presented as lore in that game – though it seems retconed out now like resurrection in general – so if such things existed, why never have them in towns and why would death ever be an issue?

Resurrection Shrines were one of the biggest lore problems of mechanics in GW1, right up there with the yet-unexplained party limit being so small for important tasks. (“I only get how many allies to try to save Rin from a charr advance?!”)

Astralporing.1957:

No, she did it because screenwriters told her to.

“Darnit Scarlet, stop reading the stage directions from the script. Keep this up and we’ll make that hair even more ridiculous.”

“I’d like to see you try!”

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

That raisin kid was a boy…..
I’m surprised most people here didn’t realize.

The kid was asura, weren’t they? Which means . . .

Well, I didn’t really care which gender they were. I still had an instinctual desire to get far away.

Lindbur.2537:

The Ogden’s Hammer guy is actually in the Priory, last I heard.

Ogden: “You know, I didn’t actually have a hammer.”

Of course we didn’t really kill Scarlet. Captain Evon Gnashblade rode one of his dolyaks into the scene and finish-stomped her so hard we forgot about his incredibly bad Black Lion Chests.

Did the Ogden’s Hammer guy turn up missing also? How about the guy looking for the latrines, or the wine-drinking gossiper?

If they’re all three gone, LA will be a much quieter (and less aggravating) place.

Forzani.2584:

Chokolata.1870:

@Tobias: How dare you blame it on the posters?? The topic was poorly moderated from the get go and we had zero feedback on the developer side of things. Never did we get a “we are considering this and that” and the closest thing to a proper interaction was a gathered list that will be shown to the developers.

Im calling it now. Next patch will be a net nerf to the ranger

You are both correct. Horrible format without any guidance + posters spamming unrealistic “ideas” and redesigning the class with zero chance of having it implemented = clusterkitten

You didn’t really read what I wrote, did you? Everyone had a fault in the CDI turning into a wild, untamed mess. Everyone should shoulder that responsibility before we begin to think about moving forward.

It literally was the worst of the CDI concept coming out to be visible, as much as it was a good idea when it has someone (or more than one person) actively participating. Honestly, Chris has kinda spoiled us in that regard – he posts way too often about things in his topics and offers more insight than others did.

bri.2359:

Am I the only one here that thought the CDI was deliberately structured by Anet to fail??

Forzani.2584:

Agree 100%. I have said the same thing from the beginning….and I have been called a conspiracy theorist. I believe the CDI was created to let the Ranger population vent and hopefully placate them for awhile.

Welcome to the internet. I sort of share this but at the same time, if all they wanted was to do that, they could have gotten away with doing a lot less. The CDIs are created for people to drop in and put up what they think about a topic. And as long as you’re not screaming incoherently “you suck because you suck” at people, they’re not going to filter/moderate the topic more than to try to steer the conversation.

From my perspective? The CDI exists as a place for posts to get gathered together from one topic instead of doens/hundreds for them to look at. And to have a designated place to respond to the commentary if there’s something they see they want to address.

To be fair, the only time I’ve seen remotely better interaction over improving a game has to be between developers/coders of Minecraft mods and those who use it. And in that case we’re talking people who do it as a hobby instead of people who have it as a real job.

(I have seen better interaction overall, but it’s been for games released which can’t be tweaked after release, and only been to comment why some decisions were made.)

Jocksy.3415:

Reading skills?
“Some people” is not friends, is not guildies, is not anyone close to me, it’s just randoms…

And I’ve had random people tell me to “go back to League” when I drop any reference to the game even though I’m not playing it. (Notably joking about “lanes” when doing Marionette.) So “some people” seem to be confusing GW2 for LoL by that logic, right?

But I find it really . . . strange . . . you would rather I use people I don’t know anything about to counter-argue with than people who I know. It’s almost as if I’m expected to make sweeping generalizations with no support so I can be told I don’t know what I’m talking about . . . nah, that would be rude.

And everyone points out one line without adressing the rest of the post?
No counter-argument… Just emotions… riiiiiiight…

I did. I pointed out there are other people who disagree. That’s kind of less of an emotion and more of a “no, people are not all like that and I don’t have that experience”.

I also have admitted rangers aren’t “totally awesome and have no problems whatsoever”. We have problems, we need some things fixed. But we are not, exactly, the worst thing in the game right now.

The worst thing in the game is still Evon Gnashblade.

OmaiGodman.2098:

I still hope there will be a way for Scarlet to explain the things she did. I think one of the most awesome ways would be if you’d go back to her lair and she’d be there as a hologram that you can actually converse with as if she was really there, as if it’s her ghost, and she’d just be giving you riddles and hints while you search the lair for clues. Not really mocking you, but actually being helpful in a way, like it’s her last bit of sanity she had left and managed to put it into a hologram to aid whoever came after her before she completely went crazy.

Kasmeer: “Scarlet, what were you trying to accomplish?”
Hologram: “I’m sorry, my responses are limited. You must ask the right questions.”
Marjory: “She was interrupting the flow of ley line energy, but to what? What could be out there drawing that much energy?”
Hologram: “The only known beings which depend on that much ley line energy would be beings such as Zhaitan, Jormag, or Primordius.”
Kasmeer: “A dragon. She was trying to do something about a dragon, one we didn’t know about before. So what . . . how . . .”
Marjory: "Scarlet, if you were under the thrall of the dragon, why would you try to interrupt what’s feeding it?
Hologram: “That, detective, is the right question.”

Erukk.1408:

Yes, it would be just tragic if something would to befall the Minister during of a… changing of the guard? Especially if it was during the time his own personal Ministry Guards were on duty as well. They just keep proving themselves more and more unreliable.

Tisk tisk.

Oh indeed, it’s a sad state. But on the bright side, with Scarlet confirmed dead and her command codes changed the Watchknights can take over for those terribly trained guards. And out of generosity, Captain Thackeray will consider taking on training some of those Ministry Guard who wish to become Seraph. After all, we can always use more posted to places like the Harathi Hinterlands . . .

Or better yet, they can be sent to Lion’s Arch to help stabilize the area as a joint operation with the Lionguard. Since the Captain’s Council clearly has had a considerable problem handling the matter of Scarlet Briar and her alliance of thugs, perhaps it is time to reach out to our fellow residents in Kryta.

But what do I know? I should report back to the Pact and try to see about that little problem to the west. I hear there’s a need to turn over the Orr cleanup to other volunteer talent and mobilize a move west past Brisban Wildlands.

What do you mean I should talk with Trahearne? Who’s he?

Erukk.1408:

We can’t have the Legate Minister under protected now can we?

Sure we can. Let me just get a moment to get a couple warriors with Kill Shot lined up and ready.

It’s like the Personal Story having a definite “modular” feel to it. You know, how you can actually see the seams where one section of character choices can slide out and another in without altering things?

The Living Story probably was developed as an outline and different teams grabbed different parts to produce at the same time. It sort of had to be developed concurrently for the release schedule to make any sense at all. Certainly, if there were a pair of updates it’s likely the two teams worked together (“Tower of Nightmares / Nightmare Within”) but for the release schedule of “every two weeks”? Yeah, it’s obvious when you think about it – they had numerous teams working together on different parts.

. . . they also for some reason had more than a few breaks in the Living Story which interrupted narrative due to the timing. Halloween’s annual tribute to the wonderful Mad King Thorn interrupted things. Wintersday interrupted things. There were also the “party/festival” events everyone knows – Dragon Bash, the Queen’s Jubilee. These things sort of started the narrative off on a stagger of a pace.

(NOT helped by Super Adventure Box v2.0 launching also.)

This really reminds me of season one of a show you really kind of like some of the time and you look at some parts and go “eh? why is this here?” and such parts wisely start to slide into the periphery so you don’t focus on them.

If you want nerdy? Seasons 1 and 2 of ST:TNG, before it got its identity were sort of like this – the weaker episodes almost entirely. LOST almost exclusively ran this way all the darn time. Fringe was really rocky in the first season until the bomb dropped during the finale.

But look on the bright side. At least it’s not daytime soaps, where the cast and writers can rotate in and out of the show and plotlines are created and forgotten about more often than the X-Files had episodes which went nowhere.

Kazuhiro.5809:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Flame Legion was largely written that way because there were no female charr in GW1, so someone had to back-fill the lore as to why and fill that darn plothole before someone broke a leg trying to contort around it.

Uh… wow, I NEVER thought of that. That makes all kinds of sense.

Honestly, stepping back and looking at it from a writer/DM perspective? A lot of things make sense for why as a means of someone hastily trying to throw boards over holes which nobody noticed when things were written.

It’s the equivalent of:

Player: “Wait, why did the werewolf not scream when they reached into my bag? I had all that silver from the dungeon crawl last month?”
GM: “. . . yes, that is odd isn’t that?” (scribbles a note on the margin)

Yeah, anything out of the CDIs is likely not to enter this coming patch short of minor simple things. Major things are going to be waiting at least two months, so they can discuss the input and either figure out how to use it or figure out how to get around perceived problems.

Sorry. They said from the first one there was no timeline for including anything, or any guarantee all/any discussed things would make it in.

I know I was like a broken record myself at times, so I’m not blameless entirely. Really the problems are a few, some of which are out of any single person’s hands.

- Allie disappeared for the better part of a week, and claimed she was sick. No other red-poster jumped in to let us know or to try to keep it in order until it was already on a runaway course.

- There were countless mentions and continual bringing up of the pet needing to be removed rather than tweaked. Even after Allie made clear early on this was not an option the developers wanted to pursue, it kept coming up as “the only sane choice” more often than it should have. This also includes barbed comments about how this meant the CDI was already a failure since this was off the table for discussion.

- There was a lot of time devoted to retreading the same discussions about what needed tweaking exactly, and bogging down in trying to come up with exactly rebalanced revisions. Which may have been awesome but were basically saying “let us do your job for you”.

- Finally, we had the discussion which revolved around whether or not the ranger was “acceptable” in game modes as is. And the general consensus was impossible to make because for every one person saying “I think we are mostly okay in XvX” it was replied with the sentiment from a couple people “of course not, are you blind or an idiot”. It only really served to run in circles over and over.

What we kind of needed most were a few things.

- More consistent participation. The absence in the beginning stages kind of set the tone and got more than a few people to get adversarial about the whole thing instead of assisting. We need the CDI moderators to have backups in case of RL problems (Chris going to the hospital, Allie getting sick…) or in case of lack of knowledge (“I don’t know, let me ask” followed by someone who does know clarifying.)

- Contributors self-policing. On the next one, it’s somewhat imperative not to go backwards into a topic moved past and recycle the whole thing again. And new posters should open up with “hey, had X been discussed?” And the reply shouldn’t be “yes, read the whole thing”, it should be someone graciously posting a link to where it was discussed so they can read from there. If they just want to drop their two-cents off? Let them but don’t revive an argument for ten pages over it.

- Some structure to posts. People who post using the proposal template Chris set up should try their best to keep it consistent – edit in changes to a proposal post and post a quote-link if they edit it down the line for reasons. Start posts with proposals in the bold lettering, discussions in everything else so people can skim for the proposal posts to see what people are suggesting.

Anyway, we’ve got to do this better It’s not rangers next but I think they’ll still need help getting through what their problems are.

Scar Rufo.7935:

This was actually a good scene to me. In many years of TV/films, the mirror has happened a lot: the villain has the hero captured and is about to kill them and then delivers a long monologue about their reasons for everything; meanwhile the hero uses the time to escape. What a dumb villain. Cue Scarlett; hurt in trouble and she is trying to buy time, and BAM – “no, we do not care and here’s your death”. So was satisfying; she was a loony.

Reminds me of Red vs Blue.

“Oh, come on Wash . . . what are you going to do,shoot-”
blam
“Yes.”

(REconstruction, Season 6, Episode 6.)

Atherakhia.4086:

CDI was a total waste of time. It had absolutely 0 interest from ANet and wasn’t productive from the word go. We spent 2 weeks talking about removing the pets entirely when everyone with an ounce of common sense should have known was never going to be realistically considered.

We never even discussed why everyone in WvW despises the class.

If anything comes of this it will be a miracle. Especially in a timely manner.

Well, it’s not like people would drop it even after it was said. Or just sniped at how it was stupid. Or argued whether it was needed or not, right up until the end.

It’s at least partially our fault, the community, for wasting that time.

felipelana.1963:

can anyone explain me what’s going on? got back to the game yesterday

The CDI topic to discuss Rangers went wildly out of control early on, stayed out of control to the end, and there’s very likely a big difficulty getting a coherent picture out of the thread other than “players who play rangers aren’t happy” . . .

Well, and “pets are broken, so some people want the limb amputated and some want a prosthetic”.

Bambula.3649:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Norjena.5172:

No u don´t need to spend 30 points always.

I think I spent 25 on Marksmanship, but it’s been a while since I opened my Traits to really study it.

but why?
no need Oo

I think it was for “Precise Strike” for “Opening Strike is always a Critical Hit” but it’s been a while. Either that or it was the last five points and it was for the stats.

RoseofGilead.8907:

I thought I read somewhere that the airships the aetherblades are using were actually stolen FROM the pact.

It’s weird, I heard “some” were and there aren’t many, but they’re well-outfitted using also-filched Inquest tech. I’ve also heard they’re all stolen but no exact number on how many there were . . .

There’s not even a real consensus of how many airships the Pact had in Orr, or any other materiel on the field devoted to fighting.

So strap in, we’re heading to a Karen Traviss level problem coming as soon as someone defines just how many troops/airships/armor/artillery the Pact or LA actually had.

Edit: And by that I mean “no matter what they say, it’s gonna be a mess”. Obviously there has to be some number held somewhere in the lore and if it’s too low it won’t make any sense and if it’s too high . . . it won’t make any sense. And there won’t be a “just right” number either.

Dahkeus.8243:

Even with this duct-tape-esque work-around, it’s still a terrible mechanic that makes something as basic as an auto-attack painfully annoying.

@ OP: Yea, GW2 has plenty of flaws, but despite those, I still honestly think that this is the best MMO available.

Don’t make it sound so bad, duct tape is one of the more useful tools out there. Just ask Jaime and Adam.

Though seriously now, it can be annoying but I find when I get in melee range anyway it usually ends badly if against other players. In PvE? So long as it’s chosen wisely when to do it, not an issue. Did some wonders against the Wardens . . .