Guild Wars 2

Delmorgan.2174:

Of course your post was at the guy transfering, I was commenting in defense of them and their decision. Reading, its ftw, try it.

Let keep things civil. In a text base conversation is it easy to misunderstand each other. We should have discussion to benefit the community and not tear it down.

You make valid points about your prospective on the game and how you play and everyone does too. We may not agree or even like each other but lets leave the killing to the WVW battleground and work here to grow a community and have fun playing a game.

Civility, is gone, let’s everyone yell at Toble because she asked people to stay on their own servers unless you find the community making you and your guild unhappy and not just the success of others on your server; a comment made not directly at any certain guild but at anyone reading this thread in general. Her point is clearly insulting to a degree.

Let’s get her.

Delusion.9543:

Toble.2968:

Niim.9260:

Toble.2968:

Take your guild, expand it, make an alliance, organize with them and make something of your server.

You post a big giant wall of text saying I do not understand what goes on, on your server then you presume to lecture someone on my server about what they should and shouldn’t do?

TG worked hard, they had a lot of successes and they tried a lot of things, they are one of the last original WvW guilds we had. They gotta do what is best for their guild, your view of that choice is irrelevant.

^ That was for the guy transferring, not you.(I don’t care if you know them or whatever, it is a simple suggestion of staying because server hopping is a huge issue and you shouldn’t do it just because you aren’t winning)

And then at the end I said if he really feels the need because of a bad community, to transfer and try to make do. Sorry I had to repost about this, but you seem to be taking it the wrong way.

>_> Calm yourself. You are scaring the children.

You’re ignorant to what TG tried to do.
You actually told us to do exactly what we did and have been doing, weeks prior.
We all assembled into one vent channel and made alliances and talked to the other Guilds and tried to make strategies.
We squashed any rivalry we had with our own Allies
I and countless others recruited in WvW and out at every chance
We tried to find what would best help our server Commander wise and follow through with what people wanted in good Commanders
We were not stingy with our supply, and despite having work or other responsibilities, a lot of us would stay up waaaaaaaay later than we should of to try and help our night time issues.
Our “alliances” then decided to not show or follow through with anything discussed in vent or in-game
That, paired up with people treating our Guild like crud and talking down to us
That, paired with the server getting stomped in every match
We got sick of it and left.

Don’t try to spread some BS that we left because our community was losing. If that were so, we would of left a long time ago.
We did literally everything in our power to try and make a difference and stay.
But after so much disappointment and after FINALLY realizing SF is just not the hardcore WvW server we wanted, we left to a server that works with our peak times and that has the same interest in WvW that we do.

Please try to refrain from saying something like this “…it is a simple suggestion of staying because server hopping is a huge issue and you shouldn’t do it just because you aren’t winning.” about our Guild ever again, thanks.

Did not read, cried to long about invalid point.

Read original point please, then come back with valid response pertaining to the “if” statement in previous post.

Not reposting it for you either so you have to read it.

Delmorgan.2174:

Hobo! Hobo! That is an insult! Wait…….. Nevermind I like it. We need to find a nice campfire to sit around in EB…..

We shall sit around a barrel and talk abut the times we were rich corporate giants who became self absorbed and greedy and how we would give it all up for just one more day with that woman of our dreams we yelled at before becoming broke.

And then we will hunt a rat and eat it for dinner. What a night!

Delmorgan.2174:

Toble.2968:

Serebus.7314:

Shinigami.5932:

Suralin.3947:

Niim.9260:

In all WvW/FvF/RvR games, population balance is hinged on casuals, always has been. When you are losing, casuals are off doing whatever, when you are winning casuals are out in droves. Add in a new PvE event or an all <color X> map and the shift will move harder in those respective directions.

This is pretty much what happened, imo. The turnout just wasn’t high enough at the reset because of the PvE. Frankly, the notion that “Oh, well NSP has the same event, no excuse” wasn’t the excuse. The excuse is that our population, which is different from all the other server populations, decided to PvE rather than WvW. Congrats to NSP for getting a large turnout (truly) on the reset. However, because of the huge blowout on the weekend, the casual players aren’t going to even bother and its even harder to organize since (as I’ve been told) we’re the “unofficial” Latin server. That’s just how it is. You’ll find the WvW guilds doing what they can to keep bettering themselves, but when it comes to server competition, it’s just not going to be there for this week. It’s why Terror will be leaving for more competitive play; it gets boring flipping supply camps.

So Terror is leaving because of the way this week is, or because this may indicate a lack of dedicated interest in wvwvw and future event weeks will probably be similar?

My guild is leaving because of the lack of WvW interest SF has, This isnt something out of the blue either we have have been talking about it for a few weeks now and we have concluded that to have the best possible experience in the game we need to move to a server that shares the same interest. There are alot of good players and guilds on SF if it wasn’t for the pve heavy side of the server we could have achieved great things in WvW.

If you read my post (Probably didn’t too long) you would know that a good mindset to have is a competitive one. Yes, winning is a big thing, yes it gives pve rewards, but you shouldn’t base your gameplay happiness on your server.

Take your guild, expand it, make an alliance, organize with them and make something of your server.

There is a big “Bandwagon” problem where guilds are jumping from server to server based on who is already doing well. This ruins servers and ruins the ranking system.

Take Ehmry bay for instance. The left ET in ruins and overpopulated Ehmry bay server, pushing out smaller pvp guilds that were originally on Ehmry.

It’s not a good thing.

We need more guilds staying put and working for success instead of leeching off of it.

Now, if you really don’t like the community it is fine, but sometimes it is best to just stay put and build your own success.

Toble hits it right on the nose here. With the free transfers there is not dedication to the cause. Which means no drive to improve or become better. Server hoppers just just jump when the going gets tough. Oh no! we had a bad week it must be that the server sucks and we need to move and boom everyone moves. This cause a void in the server and it take weeks to recover. Where as if people where more loyal and said “Oh no we lost this week. What can we do to get better? We need more organization?”
and such.

I am not pointing any fingers at our current match up. This is true for all servers. I believe that if we had a little more loyalty and people choose to stay on their selective servers and grew the community. Then the game as a whole would improve. Ok that is my “2 cents” and yes it is not worth that much.

In light of this weeks matchup I was looking forward to a good run with SF and ET but the event had a factor on it. Win or lose I am just here to have a good time gaming and enjoy the little time I have with good people.

~Del

“Win or lose, I’m just here to be a hobo with Toble” ~Del

Niim.9260:

Toble.2968:

<insert giant wall of text of massively huge proportions unlike that of any wall of text before. (:>

For one I do not care what happens on your side. For two, your guildy started trash talking, I returned in fashion. If you can’t take it, then do not start it. If you want to know the thoughts behind my comment, then by all means send me a PM, but the long and short is that my view of what entitles you to trash talk others, is different then yours.

I do not care about anything else you wrote. I thought I had been clear in my above posts, but apparently not. Most of my posts have been directed at my own server, others to respond to where SF is, but just to be clear: I DO NOT CARE. I am fine with everything NS has done as a server. I have said go ahead and paint the maps green, does not bother me one bit. I play to kill people. I will pitch in 110% if we can take a tower/keep, if not I am content to run around and fight. My enjoyment of WvW has no bearing on the score board or the color of the maps.

So then why are you making such aggressive comments at the server? (Seems like you do care.)

Also, if it was a simple insult, being as untrue as you just stated it to be, I understand. Continue then.

Good, I am glad you are competitive, but you might want to brew a cup of tea or something, you are starting to use caps lock.

Niim.9260:

Toble.2968:

Take your guild, expand it, make an alliance, organize with them and make something of your server.

You post a big giant wall of text saying I do not understand what goes on, on your server then you presume to lecture someone on my server about what they should and shouldn’t do?

TG worked hard, they had a lot of successes and they tried a lot of things, they are one of the last original WvW guilds we had. They gotta do what is best for their guild, your view of that choice is irrelevant.

^ That was for the guy transferring, not you.(I don’t care if you know them or whatever, it is a simple suggestion of staying because server hopping is a huge issue and you shouldn’t do it just because you aren’t winning)

And then at the end I said if he really feels the need because of a bad community, to transfer and try to make do. Sorry I had to repost about this, but you seem to be taking it the wrong way.

>_> Calm yourself. You are scaring the children.

OmegaAlpha.9086:

Toble.2968:

OmegaAlpha.9086:

Stiv.1820:

It’s a terrible mechanic for WvW. The speed they can be brought back up is stupid. You should be able to interrupt rezing them with plain damage and you should not be able to rally off PvE mobs in WvW.

This would fix the problem for everyone.

The people that like it, it stays, the people that don’t can interrupt the player that’s reviving the downed with plain damage, therefore the downed player will bleed until defeated.

This would also require more skill. It means you have to protect the people that are reviving allies.

Quiet Alphy, no one would ever get rezzed in zergs.

Besides, every class has knock down/back and if they don’t, they have pull or enough damage to significantly hurt the player and discourage them.

Using this is a strategic matter and a group matter. If the group ignores their downed players, they will die, if a group attends to them and the other team doesn’t prevent it, they will win, if the other team does prevent it, they will lose.

It’s about the strategy, and that is why Arenanet put in this dynamic.

What I think would solve it is if the rezzing didn’t necessarily go fast when more people are rezzing a downed player.

^ That would make everyone more happy.

I don’t think every weapon set or combination has an interrupt.

I know what you’re talking about, because when I"m 1v2(3), I focus on the people reviving and try to stop them, but I cannot always because updraft or earthquake are on cool down.

Also, wouldn’t interrupting the reviver(s) when taking plain damage add more strategy?

But base damage has the ability to be high enough to discourage the rezzer or keep the downed person down (Or both with aoe) so in a sense is interrupting.

And wvw is for zergs, you know this. This game also has large maps, most of the game would be composed of running because you would get one shot by a balista and then have to run back, spending 2 seconds dying and 2 minutes running.

Would create for less strategy, more people suiciding if the towers are closer and so on.

It’s a bad Idea.

You would run more than you would actually pvp.

Serebus.7314:

Shinigami.5932:

Suralin.3947:

Niim.9260:

In all WvW/FvF/RvR games, population balance is hinged on casuals, always has been. When you are losing, casuals are off doing whatever, when you are winning casuals are out in droves. Add in a new PvE event or an all <color X> map and the shift will move harder in those respective directions.

This is pretty much what happened, imo. The turnout just wasn’t high enough at the reset because of the PvE. Frankly, the notion that “Oh, well NSP has the same event, no excuse” wasn’t the excuse. The excuse is that our population, which is different from all the other server populations, decided to PvE rather than WvW. Congrats to NSP for getting a large turnout (truly) on the reset. However, because of the huge blowout on the weekend, the casual players aren’t going to even bother and its even harder to organize since (as I’ve been told) we’re the “unofficial” Latin server. That’s just how it is. You’ll find the WvW guilds doing what they can to keep bettering themselves, but when it comes to server competition, it’s just not going to be there for this week. It’s why Terror will be leaving for more competitive play; it gets boring flipping supply camps.

So Terror is leaving because of the way this week is, or because this may indicate a lack of dedicated interest in wvwvw and future event weeks will probably be similar?

My guild is leaving because of the lack of WvW interest SF has, This isnt something out of the blue either we have have been talking about it for a few weeks now and we have concluded that to have the best possible experience in the game we need to move to a server that shares the same interest. There are alot of good players and guilds on SF if it wasn’t for the pve heavy side of the server we could have achieved great things in WvW.

If you read my post (Probably didn’t too long) you would know that a good mindset to have is a competitive one. Yes, winning is a big thing, yes it gives pve rewards, but you shouldn’t base your gameplay happiness on your server.

Take your guild, expand it, make an alliance, organize with them and make something of your server.

There is a big “Bandwagon” problem where guilds are jumping from server to server based on who is already doing well. This ruins servers and ruins the ranking system.

Take Ehmry bay for instance. The left ET in ruins and overpopulated Ehmry bay server, pushing out smaller pvp guilds that were originally on Ehmry.

It’s not a good thing.

We need more guilds staying put and working for success instead of leeching off of it.

Now, if you really don’t like the community it is fine, but sometimes it is best to just stay put and build your own success.

OmegaAlpha.9086:

Stiv.1820:

It’s a terrible mechanic for WvW. The speed they can be brought back up is stupid. You should be able to interrupt rezing them with plain damage and you should not be able to rally off PvE mobs in WvW.

This would fix the problem for everyone.

The people that like it, it stays, the people that don’t can interrupt the player that’s reviving the downed with plain damage, therefore the downed player will bleed until defeated.

This would also require more skill. It means you have to protect the people that are reviving allies.

Quiet Alphy, no one would ever get rezzed in zergs.

Besides, every class has knock down/back and if they don’t, they have pull or enough damage to significantly hurt the player and discourage them.

Using this is a strategic matter and a group matter. If the group ignores their downed players, they will die, if a group attends to them and the other team doesn’t prevent it, they will win, if the other team does prevent it, they will lose.

It’s about the strategy, and that is why Arenanet put in this dynamic.

What I think would solve it is if the rezzing didn’t necessarily go fast when more people are rezzing a downed player.

^ That would make everyone more happy.

Raific.4652:

Toble.2968:

HEY HEY.

That is most definitely not the longest, Rai, just you wait! (I have lots of boring and long classes next semester!)

I’m glad more and more guilds are getting the picture and are actually enjoying it here too. It’s nice to have a new alliance forming and getting back on track with what really matters, which is not winning, but fighting hard, fighting fair, and a little more fighting. (fighting)

Resilience!

LOL fair enough. Hey, Did you guys get the page up and running yet? I looked today and it says “Suspended”. I am hoping its not ME that was suspended! :p

No no, you aren’t suspended. What I know is that it will be up soon. The release is a big secret to me, Merp has been keeping his designing a big cover from me.

From what I hear from Oc, it’s gonna be up soon-ish.

Don’t worry!

Had to restructure a bit due to host problems (Previous host sucked, crashing all the time and they couldn’t fix their service for us apparently)

Ask Oc for more deets!

I also have the ability to type 100+ WPM so that helps with the long posts too!

HEY HEY.

That is most definitely not the longest, Rai, just you wait! (I have lots of boring and long classes next semester!)

I’m glad more and more guilds are getting the picture and are actually enjoying it here too. It’s nice to have a new alliance forming and getting back on track with what really matters, which is not winning, but fighting hard, fighting fair, and a little more fighting. (fighting)

Resilience!

Also, bunzy, SHHHHHHHHH.

Please just make some more PVP videos and do less crying about the PVP dynamics. if you enjoy it, why change it?!

The intention of the “Downed State” was to create a large group dynamic and to make spike damage less of an end all be all.

It’s simply how guild wars 2 was intended to be, for group play.

I’m in between classes right now and am bored in the lounge, can you tell? XD Good job NSP, now we can relax for a while!

Also thank you all our new allied guilds, LOM and such, you did awesome!

Niim, I would like to address a few things you have said.

For one, I would like to inform you that you are on another server and can not actually see what is happening on ours from the outside.

For two, I would like to know your reasoning behind saying Os has no right to talk about PVP, considering we are a WvW based guild and this friday we fielded about 45 people in preparation for a good fight in Eternal. If you were there at the beginning of the night, you would have seen similar numbers of us to you, although Eredon was non-existent.

At the SF keep, we used around 20 people to hold back forces from your spawn while 15 took the rest of the map and another 10 took care of other borderlands.

Now, this 20 people we had were sometimes, at the beginning of the week, holding off 30-50 people at a time from spawn until the morale lowered and the mass dispersed.

I saw similar numbers upon entering WvW, the difference is, 1. We did not have a third entity pushing into our lands (DB) and 2. we, as a guild, and in the Resilience alliance, have organized better and better each week.

Now, being a server that has lost a 1000 man alliance, bounced back with guilds entering from other servers, just to have those guilds leave last week due to losing or dying, I think we did just fine before the morale of SF was lost and the zerg dispersed.

Also, the under dealings of OBEY show us exactly what the SF server is made of. OBEY is one of the main and most populated guilds I have seen in WvW and it is clear to me now what NSP did wrong in the last few weeks, we used shout chat too much to control the pugs, and therefore, letting the obey spies (Whom we have seen and you have mentioned) know too much of the information and plans.

This week, we decided to keep our plans vent-side and OBEY had pretty much no clue what was happening. This also gave us an extra leg up on friday.

We do not go into our weeks expecting to win, as a guild. We go in, expecting competition and it is what we fight for. hacking, spying, and cheating is against everything we like to do in game. It would simply be unenjoyable if we did such and many of us can’t fathom why OBEY would be so desperate to win as a whole verses have a legitimately fun match.

This is why os guild, despite the population issues on our server, has never left. We have fun every week killing people, win or lose. NSP as a server is never “Desperate” to win. We think it is funny that SF gave up the first night and decided to PVE instead, sure, but we did not go in expecting that.

In fact, since Eternal battlegrounds had no que on Friday night, we went in expecting to be outmanned since SF was shown last week to be able to field more people than us. I am proud of what we did on Friday and how we handled the spy issues and I don’t think there is any validity to your statements about NSP and Os guild. NSP isn’t desperate for a win or points. You guys kind of just gave it to us willingly. Most of us didn’t expect to be able to leisurely enjoy the PVE content by monday, many of us planned to actually miss the events this weekend in order to WvW as we have planned, because we were looking for the fight SF had been giving us in the past two weeks.

So, I have concluded either it is in fact the casual and PVX players that compose most of the population of SF, or Dragonbrand, since we originally pushed them thinking SF less of a threat, which you are, got mad at us for the push and stayed on us very heavily most of the week. Not thinking of these things before Friday night and not originally realizing about the OBEY spy feed, we overcompensated taking these reasons above for actual server-wide population and prowess. Sorry if you are offended that we took Friday night too seriously, we did not know that WvW halted the minute new PVE content comes out, it’s not our main event as a guild.

Don’t worry.

If you know you do not deserve the ban, have read the ToS and are upholding it, you wi,ll be unbanned.

If you were unrightfully banned for botting and were unbanned, then you are also looking for an explanation.

The support ticket response I received was simply an email containing my name and a new password and instructions on how to log in, no “Sorry we screwed up” and certainly no explanation as to why.

I would really like some insight. this new content will require me to do some farming, now I don’t usually do that, but I am actually scared to enter orr to gather.

I don’t think I will be killing mobs, but still, if I can get banned for just being in a vicinity, I don’t want that chance.

So, there you have it.

Something is in fact wrong.

Volgumby.8596:

Volgumby, 45 year old, casual gamer with no programming experience. Accused of Botting.

I am going on the assumption that these types of threads are for the sole reason of giving the aggrieved a form of emotional release. I have always enjoyed these types of games ankittenhus a 15 year veteran of mmo play. I have always considered myself an average skilled player, but have tried to work hard in order to make my toons durable enough through gear and such to compensate. I guess that I would fall into the grinding style of play. Farm for gear/loot/booty so I can enjoy the times spent grouping or in wvw. I can only guess that I like many others have been caught up in a sweep to prevent or stop any form of farming. I see the bots in game and I report them. I had to ask a guild member how to do that. I still don’t know how to pull up the battle log. I realy don’t care about it untill I get one shot in wvw and wonder what happened. I played EQ on and off for a decade and never did figure out how to macro which was legal. I finished my world exploration less than 12 hours before being banned, I craft, my cash on hand has never gone above 6 gold and I am active in a wvw guild that refuses to allow cheating. To top it all off, I am on vacation and the connection in this hotel is so bad that I can’t play wvw. Someone or some program has decided that I am a botter. It should take 2 minutes to look at my gameplay to realize that their is a human running my toon. After 3 days I am skeptical that the problem will be fixed and am prepared to walk away. I will post on the 3 day ticket thread tomorrow morning and then check my status the next day. I enjoy playing GW2 but am saddened by the direction that the game seems to be trending. Thank you for allowing me to vent.

That’s exactly what this is for.

I hope you get your account back soon. It is a holiday so I doubt any accounts will be had back today.

I’ve been waiting almost 4 days now and my holiday weekend was pretty much ruined.

My biggest problem with all of this is we have not gotten any word of as to why, no official announcements and most certainly no apologies.

I think this is just straight up bad for business.

Ah I see.

I would rather wait.

You know it is probably going to cost a lot, better start saving.

They have already stated previously that guild halls and customization will be a part of the game and will be coming out in later patches.

Should I update my ticket with anything more?

I gave all the information I could and it is almost 4 days now.

I know my weekend has been ruined, but the least anyone could do is get me at back by the time I get home from work tomorrow.

That or at least get an explanation of why this is happening to everyone.

I have a feeling it would put us all at ease if we were told there was a glitch verses “You are all bots, take the punishment!!!”

A lot of people who haven;t got banned for botting are under the impression that all of this is just a whole bunch of bots complaining on forums to get back to their illegal ways.

I know how bots work, I have played dozens of games and it all happens the same way, they just buy another account and get right back to it the next day.

I shouldn’t have to be punished and we as customers do deserve an explanation.

The fact we haven’t gotten any word on why this has happened to us really isn’t professional at all.

TxJBxT.9370:

Dark Revan.7634:

TxJBxT.9370:

Account restored. Lets see how long it lasts.

Congratulations!!
Can I ask how long you were waiting for?

13 hours or so.

I’ve been waiting for almost 4 days now…

Kumu Honua.2751:

If this was true, I would have been banned.

I have reported a billion bots. Some of which I reported daily for about 3 weeks. (I’m looking at you Frostgorge grawl bots. Yeah, they finally got you!

And yeah. “I was just in a dungeon when I was banned for botting!” is not how it works. Not in the slightest.

Someone who is reported as a bot is not banned on the spot. They are banned (Such as in the case of the Frostgorge grawl bots) 3 weeks after the fact.

So if you were banned (Innocent or not) it wasn’t for what you were currently doing at the time it happened. (Necessarily.)

This is because they ban in waves, not necessarily persistently. Over 10,000 people were banned, innocent or not in this wave.

Necro>Thief

Dark Revan.7634:

Toble.2968:

I did ask them to include it, although I have a feeling it is the amount of reports. I have a really whacky Ele build that allows me to heal for a lot and remove more conditions than people can stack on me. It just appears as if I take no damage and I can become invuln a lot, so I can understand why people would think I am hacking and report me in WvW.

Then again, I can’t regulate that. People will report whomever they feel like…

My guild leader suggested to me in TS3, when I was banned, that WvW reports might have been the cause as well since I do it often but personally after reading a lot of these issues here in the forums I don’t believe it was people reporting me in WvW but the ban system in gw2 that needs to be sorted out.

Yeah, something is terribly wrong here.

Sarahphim.1308:

poe lyfe.5879:

you know these anti bot banning things have never effected me in any game ive ever played? maybe im just really lucky. or maybe i just never use bots. probably because i never use bots.

Also if you are a particularly good player who does “better than any level X should do in Y situation” people tend to report you for hacking.

^ This is why. People have been fired over situations like this is you read one of my posts here.

Fired from gaming companies.

Dark Revan.7634:

Toble.2968:

Gaile

What is concerning is the number of players that are making the posts about being wrongfully banned who are getting their accounts back.

There are quite a few.

This either means something went wrong in this ban wave, or all of these people are bots who got their accounts back.

Also, this means that there is something that I have personally done to make it seem as if I am botting to Arenanet if there really isn’t a problem with that ban system and maybe there should be a post about how to act on your character in order to not be wrongfully banned.

This is what concerns me.

Many people think it could be:

-Vicinity, like you mentioned.
-Activity, for the people who farm a lot.
-Number of reports, based on the people banned who only WvW.
-A bad algorithm.
-VPN usage
-Mouse/keyboard program usage that binds 1-1, no macros.
-Multiple login points for the same user.

Can any of these be confirmed or denied so we can know how to not be banned int he future?

I doubt they will respond because revealing that information will benefit bot users but I’d like to know as well what caused them to wrongfully ban me, so I propose they include in the ticket or via email when it is confirmed you didn’t bot what was the actual cause.

I did ask them to include it, although I have a feeling it is the amount of reports. I have a really whacky Ele build that allows me to heal for a lot and remove more conditions than people can stack on me. It just appears as if I take no damage and I can become invuln a lot, so I can understand why people would think I am hacking and report me in WvW.

Then again, I can’t regulate that. People will report whomever they feel like…

http://www.colblindor.com/2008/12/23/15-tools-color-blindness/

I’m not sure if this will help at all, but there are some programs which change saturation hat help make the colors more distinct. I don’t think Arenanet will have too much time to make a filter of their own, but there are plenty of filters that can be found on the web, I am sure of it.

Gaile

What is concerning is the number of players that are making the posts about being wrongfully banned who are getting their accounts back.

There are quite a few.

This either means something went wrong in this ban wave, or all of these people are bots who got their accounts back.

Also, this means that there is something that I have personally done to make it seem as if I am botting to Arenanet if there really isn’t a problem with that ban system and maybe there should be a post about how to act on your character in order to not be wrongfully banned.

This is what concerns me.

Many people think it could be:

-Vicinity, like you mentioned.
-Activity, for the people who farm a lot.
-Number of reports, based on the people banned who only WvW.
-A bad algorithm.
-VPN usage
-Mouse/keyboard program usage that binds 1-1, no macros.
-Multiple login points for the same user.

Can any of these be confirmed or denied so we can know how to not be banned int he future?

This periodic sweep happened back in October too.

They did this sweep so for the referral week, we wouldn’t be pegged as a game with lots of bots.

And yes, a couple dozen and a couple hundred are all too many when what they should be doing is, in fact, thoroughly investigating people before they are banned.

This is what I believe and it is my suggestion that the amount of people who were banned wrongfully is far too high this time. I also believe because of the nature of my ban something much be highly inaccurate int he system since I am such a far cry from even someone who farms.

That 1% having to actually go throught he banning and unbanning process is what I am trying to avoid.

instead of ruining 100 players weekends, getting a bad reputation for unlawfully banning people and having problems like that, you get get those 99% bots by doing a thorough investigation prior.

Yes it will take longer, but most successful companies use quality over quantity.

To show you what I mean about the games reputation, people have already begun writing the BBB. It may not put a significant dent in anything, but it is a complaint. whether they have been unbanned or not, they still lost their account for what they thought would be an indefinite amount of time and had to go through the process of working to get it back rather than not being banned at all and as paying customers, people, including myself, will become angry.

Bot banning in waves gives just as much time if not more as banning individually.

The serious offenders will have a bot back up within a week and will continue to ruin our economy. these serious offenders will build up until the next large wave in 2-3 weeks.

Instead, I am suggesting Arenanet persistently investigate and ban instead of banning first then scrambling to investigate later.

As I said before. Bots are also being unbanned because they can get away with it since things are so piled up.

In a busy time it is much more likely to let a bot slip through than in a time where they have a bit more wiggle room to check out that botter.

And the stop banning and roll back the bans is for this specific wave since it has caused so much ticketing trouble, not waves before.

And scrapping the system would assume I would want them to revamp reporting and ticketing and all that. I am simply saying, investigate before, not after and more people including support would be much more happy about it.

I had to delete your quote Neon, the message was too long apparently.

I know this for a fact because I don’t have patterns.

I have to switch attunements and skills based on who is dying and who I am killing. It is never the same.

Also, Gaile admitted that it is possible for someone to be swept up by vicinity. You have seen the screen shot.

I understand those are not the only methods, but as I am suggesting, they need to thoroughly investigate it before banning. The sheer amount of people being unbanned after the fact shows that there was not thorough prior investigation.

I am not saying scrap the system I am saying don’t use it in wave format. They need to investigate bots as they come and handle it so there isn’t a giant problem for non-bitters and support.

And this is not sometimes. Please go to the account issues section, there have been MANY people getting their accounts back after being “Banned for notting” So either they are innocent like me, which I can believe, or Arenanet just unbanned a bot, which is also bad.

So the system is failing all over the place.

- Innocent players are being banned.
- Guilty bots are being unbanned and are more likely to not be banned or unbanned again.
- Support has a giant influx of tickets, making the entire process more difficult.

These are my three main points and mounting a thorough investigation before determining someone is a bot is the suggestion I am sticking with.

And the system is bad.

If it was just me I wouldn’t even be here making this suggestion.

Look at the account issues threads. Dozens, probably more have already had their, what is deemed to be innocent accounts unbanned.

What do you consider a few too many to call it accurate?

Also, as a person who hasn’t been caught up in it, you would not know whether I am telling the truth or not of not being a bot.

If you had never engaged in botting or even in suspicious farming and somehow got banned while in a PvP zone and knew that for a fact, you would wonder how big the flaw is as well, especially when hearing stories from so many similar people.

Also, as I mentioned before, the botters that about money trade system factor in the loss of account and will spend profits to simply buy a new one. they don’t quit forever, they just do it again. In aion, I used to farm these bots for energy to craft things and some of them had the audacity to come back with similar names to their previous bots and bot in exactly the same place after they were banned. The botters that ruin the economy probably don’t care about putting up too much of a stink on forums, they put int heir ticket and hope arenanet makes a mistake on their ticket and gives them back the account, if not, it is no big, they will just be back at it next week. Banning in waves gives these bots plenty of time to farm before the next wave and make a profit enough for another account and then some.

Do you see what I am saying?

Blocked/Suspended Account

121109-000269

Updated

11/08/2012

It has been more than 72 hours now since I was banned for botting, screen shot of error code and message attached.

I would really like this reviewed since I just lost all of my long weekend to being banned for something I didn’t do.

i do not use macros, I understand the ToS regarding the subject thoroughly I have given hardware information, last four digits of my credit card number and information on things that might have happened to achieve this ban for me, like the logitech mouse program (Binds keys 1 for 1 onto my mouse I have keys up down, left and right bound to my mouse for extra movement and evasions.)

My college has a vpn I occasionally have to use in the public lounge areas.

I am an avid PvPer and you probably will have reports of “This person hacks their health wont go down” due to high regen on my ele, or for my thief “This person is hacking, I can’t see them” due to culling issues.

I was banned in NSP borderlands while waiting for our commander to respawn at a waypoint, 2 other guild elementalists and I were setting off as many of our pretty aoes as possible. None of the others got banned though so I doubt that has anything to do with it.

Is there any other information I should be giving?

kistell.5684:

Toble.2968:

I have all night. If you are trying to restore your pride, stop now. there are over 900 views on this thread and many of them have seen you tell my to get a better college education while using the word “may be” (maybe) my self (myself) and collage (college) in the particular sentence you tried to insult me in.

" many of them have seen you tell my (me) to get a better college "

;)

Ill leave you now with this " Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses. "

If you want to go into detail about errors, a typewritten error or mis-key is much different than blatantly incorrectly spelling the word college.

I’m sorry you made yourself look so bad in these last few days. I hope you cheer up and find something better to do with your time like actually play the game you have been whining about this entire time.

And it is I’ll as in I will, not ill as in sick, if you want to bring it down to mistakes.

I could go all night.

kistell.5684:

Finally you are actually trying to prove some thing but unfortunately you missed some important factors.

Multiple ticket submissions by the same person, tickets submitted by botters who are falsely claiming to be banned (a very high percentage), tickets cleared by staff per day, Automated clearance of tickets, Tickets not related in any way to banning?

With out factoring all this your maths are flawed.

Even if you figures could be proved far from it , how are the number of tickets submitted correlate to the number of innocent players?

Are you claiming if every single report was intrinsically investigated to a 99.9% chance of true verification that their would not be a big influx of tickets claiming to be false on and around the time of mass ban wave.

You see no matter how you put it you cannot claim they have failed or their antibotting system is flawed going on number of people complaining they are banned.

So you can post all the made up figures you like they will never prove any thing apart from the number of support tickets open , which in its self means zip , nada , nothing zero.

So you admit some reports aren’t always investigated thoroughly because of large numbers of tickets.

All those figures were for was to prove there was a large number of tickets being put in this weekend and a ban wave makes it so they can’t always be thoroughly investigated.

You admitted yourself that bots were bragging about being unbanned by this ticketing system.

So, once again, you are saying keep a system that makes more work for people and unbans true botters in the end.

I grow tired of you being such a potato (thanks Broxy).

Gaile Gray.6028:

Toble.2968:

Hey Gaile,

Any news on how the system is going to be fixed?

Not only is there is innocent banning problem, but people with fraudulent Serial codes who bought from the Gw2 site is worrying me?

I do not even know that there is an issue yet. I’m still gathering information on these cases (and I believe them to be few) after which the teams involved in the site will review them to see if there is an issue on our side or perhaps with the other participants involved in the sales flow, such as the bank or CC holder.

I have only seen a few of the fraudulent ones as well, but it is still worrisome that just a far mistake has been made I guess. hope this is all over soon, I’ve been waiting on getting my account back since the 8th. Just passed 72 hours so I will be posting in the 3 day or over thread soon. I understand there is a back up due to the holiday weekend, but I still want to get back to playing.

I understand you are trying to save yourself from humiliation, but I am at work and have nothing better to do than prove to you mathematically that there is a large influx of tickets on a holiday weekend.

I have all night. If you are trying to restore your pride, stop now. there are over 900 views on this thread and many of them have seen you tell my to get a better college education while using the word “may be” (maybe) my self (myself) and collage (college) in the particular sentence you tried to insult me in.

All of them have also seen you repeatedly ask for numbers when I have given you that link over 5 times, broke down how I found my averages to you 3 times and have posted the list of ticket numbers and days I have used and the thread where you can find them accurately posted in.

Please, you should end it now.

1.

“Triagon.1843

#121107-002037”

2037 on the 7th at least.

“Chippalrus-5437
121108-001970”

1970 on the 8th at least.

“karrak.3597
121109-002852. "

2852 at least on the 9th

“Dime Baggins.1058
Ticket # 121110-002927”

2652 at least on the 10th

All these ticket numbers were found in https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/account/Blocked-suspended-terminated-Players-comments/page/21

2037+1970+2927+2852=

Divided by 4 days = 2446.5 tickets per day.

2.

I took into account the 4 days since the ban wave has begun.

3.

There you have it and have had it.

kistell.5684:

Toble.2968:

kistell.5684:

No you still don’t get it you have provided no hard numbers to work with every thing is hypothetical from your brain.
All your calculations are based on numbers your making up.

You based your complain on the fact their system is clearly not working and suggested they roll it back as such.
But yet all your claims to substantiate the fact it is not working are based on spurious numbers your guessing wildly at and making up.

Your numbers are flawed (made up) and thus your maths is seriously flawed , thus the crux of your argument is flawed also.

You cannot claim ANET has it wrong if you don’t have the data to prove such, nothing is ever 100% and claiming that a system is flawed as it is not 100% proficient is pretty naive.

May be you need to go back to hello kitty

You are boring me now.

“Triagon.1843
#121107-002037”

2037 on the 7th at least.

“Chippalrus-5437
121108-001970”

1970 on the 8th at least.

“karrak.3597
121109-002852. "

2852 at least on the 9th

“Dime Baggins.1058
Ticket # 121110-002927”

2652 at least on the 10th

All these ticket numbers were found in https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/account/Blocked-suspended-terminated-Players-comments/page/21

Completely fabricated numbers.

-Yawn- Get new material.

Where is ticket number 3000+ , 4000+, 5000+ , 6000+, 7000+

???

According to you they exist or must exist?

I repeat, there are three ticket sections, I have found an average of 2500 per day in just one of them.

You think that 2500×3 /=/ 7500?

Not to mention this is per day, I was simply meaning in the account login section over the course of a holiday weekend backup. this is my ticket number from 2 days ago.

121109-000269

They have yet to review it which means there is an obvious backlog of tickets, meaning they do not get 2500 tickets done every day. Meaning there are at least 2 days worth of tickets backlogged and more come in every day for just one of the 3 ticketing sections.

What is wrong with you? Yet again, are you a bot?

What is the point of arguing with me?

Hey Gaile,

Any news on how the system is going to be fixed?

Not only is there is innocent banning problem, but people with fraudulent Serial codes who bought from the Gw2 site is worrying me?

kistell.5684:

No you still don’t get it you have provided no hard numbers to work with every thing is hypothetical from your brain.
All your calculations are based on numbers your making up.

You based your complain on the fact their system is clearly not working and suggested they roll it back as such.
But yet all your claims to substantiate the fact it is not working are based on spurious numbers your guessing wildly at and making up.

Your numbers are flawed (made up) and thus your maths is seriously flawed , thus the crux of your argument is flawed also.

You cannot claim ANET has it wrong if you don’t have the data to prove such, nothing is ever 100% and claiming that a system is flawed as it is not 100% proficient is pretty naive.

May be you need to go back to hello kitty

You are boring me now.

“Triagon.1843
#121107-002037”

2037 on the 7th at least.

“Chippalrus-5437
121108-001970”

1970 on the 8th at least.

“karrak.3597
121109-002852. "

2852 at least on the 9th

“Dime Baggins.1058
Ticket # 121110-002927”

2652 at least on the 10th

All these ticket numbers were found in https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/account/Blocked-suspended-terminated-Players-comments/page/21

Completely fabricated numbers.

-Yawn- Get new material.

Dark Revan.7634:

Toble.2968:

Dark Revan.7634:

MaryDeVil.1894:

I read ppl being banned for “botting” while they were fighting in WvW… so be afraid to go everywhere.

I was gathering Ori in cursed shore when it happened and was using TS3, and a friend of mine also told me this, since I WvW a lot. Apparently some people report others in WvW to troll or just because they got owned or whatever (one of the servers we are playing against has a bad name due to certain things but I digress). However after coming on the forums and seeing that a LOT of people are having the same problem as me I doubt it was that. A bot reporting people that come close seems far-fetched but I guess at this point anything is possible….

People report others in WvW they can’t explain. If you have a stealth class (culling) or a high regen class (ele or Engineer), they might nto be able to explain why you are invisible and why your health is not going down, therefore yes they will report you and since there is no section for “Hacking” they will report you under “Botting”.

Put in a support ticket under ask a question and wait. It could be over a week with the current influx of bans that have been made falsely.

Oh I put a ticket in as soon as I was banned…I hope this doesn’t cause us to miss the Lost Shores update…..

With this holiday weekend, who knows.

I already missed a recruiting event I was gonna put on for tomorrow with the refer a friend deal and a good match up in wvw.

Really blows.

Igopewpew.8692:

Asking the GM team for elaboration on how my key was obtained fraudulently while it was purchased perfectly fine and legally from their own site , they simply copy-pasted their message that it was obtained fraudulently. I have never , ever in my life experienced this kind of support.

Wow really?

Something is VERY wrong here.

Cichard.6108:

what they need to do is have this automated system flag bots then have the humans review personally and then ban.

But isnt it odd that they are using bots to ban bots?

That is funny, and that is exactly what I am saying here, thanks for putting it in simple terms.

Automated system to flag and individual review of those flagged repeatedly.

The irony. Bots banning bots. How cruel!

kistell.5684:

So coming to a suggestion board and asking them to pull the plug on banning bots as they got it wrong based on figures your pulling from your kitten is ridiculous.

Also why do you care so much? Why are you yelling and huffing at a mere suggestion that they improve upon a system that is currently unbanning bots?

Are you botting?

kistell.5684:

Toble.2968:

If there are 2600 on one day, 2900 on another say 1900 on another day and then another 2000 on another say, that’s 9400 at least.

If you want to argue how accurate the estimate of 7000 is, The ban waves have been happening since the 6th and my number on the 8th was in the 500s. My ticket has yet to be looked at on the 11th.

Now where are your facts that the estimated number could not possibly be 7000

1st The thread you suggested i look at is over 2 months old.

2nd the only credible way we as customers have of estimating a round about figure is to look at the ticket number of tickets posted on the forums, to gauge a round figure.

Now for all i know the ticket numbers have never been reset so the highest ticket number you provided 2652 is total tickets sent since release.

As for saying “Now where are your facts that the estimated number could not possibly be 7000”

This number is pulled from thin air their is nothing to dispute, you made it up.

While you keep producing figures from thin air and make it all up their is nothing to prove your full of hot air.

So coming to a suggestion board and asking them to pull the plug on banning bots as they got it wrong based on figures your pulling from your kitten is ridiculous.

16 out of 25 pages are relevant to the last 4 days.

The ticket numbers I gave you are relevant, notice the respective dates.

This is not thin air. Thin air is what you must be inhaling if you think it is fabricated. That is just one thread of many made. Just one, not to mention those who haven’t posted on forums and simply sent in a ticket.

I just did the math for you based on ticket numbers relevant to the dates of the ban waves. The age of the thread proves nothing.

And I didn’t come to the suggestion board telling them to pull the plug on banning bots. Did you not even read my first post?

Stop the ban waves, roll them back and investigate thoroughly and ban the actual bots instead of trying to deal with ticketing and accidentally unbanning actual bots.

Why are you even still here?

BTW 15000 is rounding down.

There are 3 categories of tickets to look through. Each category has it’s own set of ticketing numbers. I am just using one, the login issues category with rounded 2500 tickets every day for 7 days, which is 17,500. So I am rounding WAY down, and you still don’t understand what I am saying here. More accurately, if I didn’t try to dumb it down for you,

2500 × 7 = 17500 tickets being made this week.

17500 Divided among 20 people = 875 tickets

A full work week is 40 hours, but mind you this is a holiday weekend no one is working on Sunday or monday.

So between last tuesday and this tuesday: 40/7= rounded 6 hours per day.

Tuesday= 6 hours per person: tuesday wednesday thursday friday saturday = 5: 5×6=30

875 tickets divided by 30 hours per this week per person= rounded 30 tickets per hour.

It clearly does not take 2 minutes to investigate someone who is botting so this is clearly impossible to do accurately without having a giant amount of workload.

Which is why ban waves are in fact bad and inaccurate since bots are being unbanned via ticketing.

Do you have any other opinions you would like to present to me because you are frustrated?

kistell.5684:

Toble.2968:

I said there were well over 7000 tickets, go spend more of your time searching for a quote will ya?

still don’t see 7000+ tickets you claim?

According to you 2652 at least on the 10th , little confused are you.

A quarter of them would be 663 so no not in the 1000`s , sorry your wrong try again.

Also, remember I said 7000 tickets, not 7000 innocent sure to be unbanned tickets.

The fact stands, support has a ton of tickets to go through and has begun making errors and unbanning bots.

For some reason, you have become so angry at me that you have lost sight of the point of all of this, I am simply suggesting a system that goes slower, does not ban in waves and will do it right the first time instead of sending the problem to support in the form of probably about 15,000 tickets every week.

Mind you, that is 15,000 individual accounts to be investigated for whatever reason. Let’s go back to the math.

Even if there were 20 people working on support, they would have to go through 19 reports an hour to get that workload completed on a 40 hour work week and it is a holiday weekend, meaning no one is working sunday and monday.

Seriously. How can you be so blind in the face of something that simply makes sense?

kistell.5684:

Toble.2968:

I said there were well over 7000 tickets, go spend more of your time searching for a quote will ya?

still don’t see 7000+ tickets you claim?

According to you 2652 at least on the 10th , little confused are you.

If there are 2600 on one day, 2900 on another say 1900 on another day and then another 2000 on another say, that’s 9400 at least. Now, Imagine support getting through all those tickets in four days in investigating people’s accounts. If you want to argue how accurate the estimate of 7000 is, The ban waves have been happening since the 6th and my number on the 8th was in the 500s. My ticket has yet to be looked at on the 11th.

Now where are your facts that the estimated number could not possibly be 7000 and why are you even arguing this? What is your reasoning being arguing against me anymore?

kistell.5684:

Ill disregard every thing else you say as its all waffle and rubbish as always.
but lets looks at your facts again.

Toble.2968:

Ticket # 121110-002927

*3000 tickets yesterday alone in just the account issues category.(Thousands)

*And I never said they are unjustly banning over 7000 people. I said there were well over 7000 tickets, go spend more of your time searching for a quote will ya?

so you show me ticket number 2927 then you go on to claim their are over 7000 tickets ??

even if the total number of tickets submitted were 2927 , where is your evidence they relate to wrongful bans and not other game\ account issues?

logic is some thing you don’t grasp very well do you!!!
learn to count or bot you seem good at that.

Also, even if they aren’t pertaining to wrongful bans, what I mentioned was support has over 7000 tickets to deal with, did I not?

Not to mention, even if only a quarter of them were about the banning issues, it would still be in the thousands, as I said before.

Please, educate yourself or stop talking.