Guild Wars 2

Black Box.9312:

Zenith.6403:

coglin.1867:

Seems a bit of a double standard to create a thread for your thoughts on the matter, then to demand someone else has n rights to express theirs. Clearly you do not want a discussion on the matter. It appears all your wanting are those who agree with you.

- I’ve received nothing but personal attacks along the lines of “do you even play Guardians?” and dismissive texts that have nothing to do with the thread. Yours is quite fitting continuation for that.

It’s not a personal attack to assume that you don’t play the class. It’s an observation based on your clear ignorance of the subject matter.

+1(Everyone who sees this thread should just 1 up this)

Solori.6025:

Tyreal.5230:

I’d love to have a greatsword for Elementalist.

Halberds would be pretty cool. :x

You already have a greatsword for your ele :P

That piece of kitten isn’t anything.

yolo swaggins.2570:

Tyreal.5230:

lol OP thinks everything should have an animation+ 1/2 or longer cast time but thinks thief evades should be instant.

He never said “thief evades”. Actually he never said either of those words in his post.

While I like the idea of telegraphing skills, I think 3/4s is a bit much.

I’m talking about a seperate post looking at his post history bro.

Xae Isareth.1364:

No No No No NO.

Combos are an advanced technique, it should end up with powerful effects to encourage people to try to use it.

It’s not fire fields that are too strong, it’s more like everything other than fire and water are too weak. Buff the other fields, not nerf fire.

I wouldn’t mind this at all. Better than nerfing and taking away kitten making the game even duller.

lol OP thinks everything should have an animation+ 1/2 or longer cast time but thinks thief evades should be instant.

quaniesan.8497:

Tyreal.5230:

Sword #1 – Take away the 3 different hits and projectile status and make it a single hit melee that applies a boon, maybe vulnerability or might like greatsword?

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I will have to disagree with that. Being 3 hits is one of the main attraction. It counts 3 times toward the 5th hit for the burning Virtue. It creates at least 3 chances for crit for sigil purpose.

The flaw of the sword AA3 lies in that a) count as range attack when you generally in melee when that occurs and b) the narrow cone shape that often missses anything that any that flies too high, stay too low or too much to the left/right.

You have a good point, can’t argue with that. And yea, the narrow angle of attack for it is ridiculous. Always feel like it misses at point blank range. lol

Yea, but… it’s a knock down.

If there is going to be a nerf in the first it’s the most reasonable imo (altho I don’t support the entire “nerf celestial might stacking” trend of late). Would be pretty dumb to nerf the sigils and runes that EVERYONE uses simply because another class uses it and your’s does not and is pretty pathetic. Yet at the same time has everyone taken the time to learn how those builds work and when/how the best way to try and kill it is? My ele USED to be my main b4 switching to guard (medi) so even though people tell me D/D Eles counter me… I find that to be quite false in sPvP OR WvW. I can’t speak about Warrior or Engi seeing as how I’ve never taken the time to get to learn them. Perhaps I’ll find the time when they start face kitten me.

Sword #1 – Take away the 3 different hits and projectile status and make it a single hit melee that applies a boon, maybe vulnerability or might like greatsword?

Sword #2 – Don’t really know tbh. Maybe more damage? lol

Sword#3 – I don’t use sword simple because of this skill, it’s way to unreliable. I feel the need to waste a skill just to get it half of it off. Guard’s lack of mobility doesn’t help either. ^^ Could make it weaker but allow full movement while casting. Minus the damage nerf I don’t see this becoming useful any other way without using a knockdown,immo,pull, etc.)

kitten that’s a lot of stuff for one skill, traited or not. 20s cd too. lol

I’d rather have the ability to choose each individual armor piece and trinket that exists in WvW/PvE versus any change of the current amulet system in sPvP.

Shield’s #4 looks like it should knockb… what if it knocked back multiple foes. :V

You can’t charge in and spam your your skills hoping to kill an ele. Save your dps for right after they leave water attunement. :V

Also trying to face kitten one that is in air/fire is a horrible idea as well. They are melee after all.

Coldtart.4785:

Wouldn’t it be great if, instead of thinking while playing, you could just let the game tell you what to do?!?!?!

Prediction = skill.
Reaction = not skill.

Nicely said.

I’d love to have a greatsword for Elementalist.

Halberds would be pretty cool. :x

Zefrost.3425:

I don’t think I explained my point well enough.

These skills should not last past the channelling bar, at all. These skills should only be doing damage while the player is in the animation. The way they currently act is totally different from the rest of the game.

If a ranger is no longer in the animation where he’s shooting arrows, then arrows should no longer fall. Same with meteor from elementalist.

When an elementalist starts channeling meteor shower it takes a few seconds for a meteor to actually touch the ground. They’re summoning a meteor shower from the sky. The meteors take time to fall out the sky. Hence the long delay of the first actual impact.

Ranger is physically shooting arrows, if your not shooting arrows how could they possibly fall?

TL;DR Elementalist is a ‘magician’. Pretty sure magic isn’t tide to such simple logic.

hmmm, when you mention it, i’ve never seen a thief actually dodge roll…

EW video 14!

This was not the original EW build in this video. Was testing something new out and I really only had the basic things for the idea of the build. I’m still working out everything and trying to optimize it s much as possible but this was the “rough draft” so to speak. *

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fVAQNAR8dlsApaodDxcI8DNR8AVVAweK/PKX/jjkDA-T1iBABA8AA04iAkz+DZpMjQdAMqEsT1V4SpxdaGi4IAcpKFkCIihRA-w

Empowering Wrath 13

Cynz.9437:

I understand concept of hardcounters and all but either this game needs to live it to 100% (which is not the case with engis, warriors and co.) or change the way classes interact that so we don’t have some classes that have no hardcounters and then classes that stand 0 chance vs other.

Seeing as Anet won’t introduce any hardcounters to engis (please don’t bring up necro, engis can still beat them), warriors and co., i think it is time that thieves also have chance even if slight vs guardians. At the moment there only 2 ways thief stands any chance vs guardian:
- guardian is afk and doesn’t fight at all
- thief has help from 2 other players

You would say but hey pvp is not about 1v1, surely it is not and it would be fine if matches wouldn’t consist of 3-5 guardians (rest engis _)….. As thief at that point you might as well just sit afk at spawn or hope that enemy afk. I find it highly discouraging.

I suggest following changes (not necessary together):
Note: all this suggestions are only for pvp, weither or not they should be applied for the rest of the game is different topic.
thief changes:
- bountiful theft should prioritize stability and aegis, right now it completely ignores aegis
- every 3rd attack on thief AA chain should go through the block/invul

guard changes:
- contemplation of purity should convert 3 conditions only, not unlimited
- purging flames CD increased by 5 sec
- fiery wrath should be moved to master tier at least
- focused mind should be moved to more damage oriented trait lane
- smite conditions needs it’s CD increased by 5-10 sec
- very arguable: virtrues should only grant teammates buffs if guardian traited for (similar to venom share)

general changes:
- burning dmg/scaling needs to be nerfed in pvp: yes it will affect other classes but i honestly think that burning IS too strong of condition atm in pvp and too easily applied… no matter what class i play atm, pretty much all my deathes come from 20+k burning, 15k+ bleeding and torment in that order… guradians and engis are especially at fault since they apply burning on pretty much any attack
- max amount of might obtainable in pvp should be reduced to 10 (for any class), the duration reduced by 20-30% in pvp
- intelligence sigil should have crit chance reduced to 50% (arguable) instead of 100%
- retal duration needs to be reduced by 50% in pvp
- celestial amulet needs a nerf across all stats in pvp, atm it is too build and meta defining and overshadows other amulets in effectivness (there is enough threads about it)

Actually, I have an easy solution to your problem. Why don’t you go record some footage of you fighting guardians and link it for us so we can tell you exactly what you should and shouldn’t be doing.

listen to urself bro. if a guard has to be a noob to lose to a thief then that means the ones that aren’t losing are good… in other words u keep getting beaten by good players. secondly, guard has a higher skill cap than u might think making the average guardian quite competent. perhaps u practice dueling guards or actually watch some guard videos and learn how they play instead of writing this nonsense on the threads.

also, you should learn to accept the fact that ur just getting outplayed bro.

Cynz.9437:

Klonko.8341:

Cynz.9437:

vincecontix.1264:

Op all things have counters and different roles to play, also I see you complaining a lot lately.

what else are you suppose to do on forums lol?

besides, since devs apprently decided to listen to every single QQ about thieves i will be QQing about other classes so they get “thief” threatment

i am tired of “adapting” while every other class get brainless builds

Klonko.8341:

Cynz.9437:

Klonko.8341:

If you talk about medi guard… Boon strip stability with steal and then try to chain daze him. (Use mace + CnD into tactical strike). Works wonder… I am not even a main thief and i usually beat them…

i wanna see you beat kaypud on his guard
also boon strip on steal can’t keep up with all boons guards have

gl landing any dazes with blinds aegis and blocks

Wow… I told i’m not even a main thief and I win most of the medi guard but I never said anything about beating a random Main guard (With a lots of time in the profession) as a thief… Even tough, Blind easily avoided if you pay attention a bit. Aegis and stability are removed 1st on the boon stripping traits for steal.

After that, outlast the guard as at some point he will not have that much skill out of cd
which won’t heal him, therefore letting you an open window to burst/daze chain him without real fear.

That’s my 2 cents of a non-main thief.

PS: Shortbow awsome to kite and S/P still evade and dps even when the stun doesnt connect.

so basically guards have to be noobs to lose to thief, ty for proving my point

also, think about pvp, there is usually not just 1 guard….

At somewhat equal level a thief can win. Even with troll build…

caed can’t beat kaypud, your point?

caed is more known for tPvP isn’t he? GROUP play?

it’s topics/threads like this one that is ‘killing’ the game.

Empowering Wrath 12!!

Some condi duels, 1v1’s and solo roaming!

Relentliss.2170:

How to deal with the heavy CC engineers? The ones that toss you around like a bean bag.

I’ll have to try and find some to fight! lol

Tricare.2946:

Ran your build for the most part, had some fun with it. Here’s a short video of some of the fights I got. I’ve never really played meditation guardian before, this was a fun build. Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4l32iERHd4

I watched your video when you first posted it and it was pretty awesome! Good fights yo! Was going to reply on it when I uploaded this new video but it got corrupted twice!

omg, u again? stop kittening and l2p.

We apologize if you can not react fast enough and dodge lightning.

nicknamenick.2437:

We will see what happens, atleast i made my point about medi guards.

The only point you made is that you need to l2p. The update hasn’t even come yet and you’re already making qq threads? You should take more time thinking about what you did wrong when fighting a medi guard than complaining about losing to them. Trying to face tank builds that are made for pure dps isn’t very smart. The fault isn’t with Guard’s trait lines, it’s with you.

Empowering Wrath 11! Only Solo Queue fights in this video!

urieldhynne.2743:

Tyreal, what do you thing about runes of the pack? it gives 10s fury, might, swiftness – power and a good amount of precision.

I can’t say I’ve tried it before but it definitely sounds like something I’ll look into! If the #4 procs often it could work really well!

It’s obvious I worded my first comment wrong. The reason I’m frustrated is that I know that link was an original from either my videos or my thread not the fact that he’s using the whole might stacking, empowering might build. Which I can break it down pretty well. I don’t want my name or my channel/thread/videos linked in his thread/video description. That’s not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is I work hard to bring videos almost every week or two, building/rebuilding my channel so people can find things easier. Creating the thread and guide. I worked hard to do all of that to, yes; help the guard community. Don’t get me wrong. I enjoy making videos and playing GW2 and helping out other players. However, if you’re going to go onto my videos, thread and copy+paste the original link make 2-3 changes and distribute it the least you can do is like the video you got it from. Even if you don’t sub or leave a comment the least you can do is click the like button if you’re copy+pasting the original build link.

Sylpheed.8163:

Tyreal.5230:

This build…
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Empowering-Wrath-Ascended-Stella-Alamarr/first

Erm, no need to post your own link in someone else’s roaming thread. I was using 10/0/30/30/0 on release as soon as I hit 80, does that mean you copied me? Yeah, don’t be a kitten bro.

Has nothing to do with running 2/0/6/6/0. Has to do with the weapons, traits taken in each trait line, sigils used, food used and all gear being exactly the same except 3 to compensate for what he already has (valk back piece) and what he doesn’t have (azurite rings) so he went with soldier rings. It is widely known that most people prefer traveler’s instead of runes of strength with my build for anyone who does run it.

Jaskier.2714:

Yes, but it is slightly diffrent. I am running with Traveler runes insted, plus some diffrent accessories like Berserker plus Valkyrie back and some mighty wvw infiusions.

Bro, the link u posted…
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fVAQNAR5dlsApaodDxcI8DNR8AVVAweKb5/X/jgkDA-TFTDABM8EA6RZ2MqHk3+DwoCSUKNeRFjKuIAgoZAOdADqEEAzMBAQAoNvZ2sUAjqMC-w

exotic version of my build:
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fVAQNAR5dlsApaodDxcI8DNR8AVVAweKb5/X/jgkDA-TVTDwAMeCA9UmNT9AW7PATFkXqYU5iAcWpBINDw1BAwMjClgkNNRKgRVGB-w

Running soldier rings instead of azurite exotic rings and a valk backpiece doesn’t make it a new build. There are no sentinel ascended what else would u run in place of the sentinel exotic? In essence you have one trinket(backpiece) that is different.

That’s pretty kittenty bro.

This build…
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Empowering-Wrath-Ascended-Stella-Alamarr/first

imo, people just need to learn to play. Nobody was complaining about ele before this. Why now? Because they kill you? My main used to be ele but now it is Guard. I stopped playing ele because of kittened threads like this to nerf eles because people don’t want to learn how to play against them better. I haven’t had any issues fighting against eles so this must be a l2p issue bro.

ugh, not this topic again.

“…The bosses in the dungeon require a very high amount of individual skill and coordination. They have detailed mechanics…”

HAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHAAAAAHAHAHAAAAAA

CMF.5461:

oxtred.7658:

Active defense is part of the guard mechanic and you’ll use it in all game modes. That said, you can’t rely only on active defenses in pvp because you can’t avoid all incoming damages. Best guards does rely heavily on blinds, blocks, etc, but they still need to trait either for meditation heal as a dps spec or ah as a bunker spec.

As far as your build goes, you’re really squishy for any sort of pvp, It can work as a roaming spec in www, but that’s about all. I would swap two handed mastery for empowering wrath if you’re using strenght runes. The minor in valor isn’t incredibly useful either, my call would be either 0/5/0/4/4 or 0/3/0/4/6 if you really want to play like that.

I was actually surprised how long I was able to survive with overlapping ae blinds and timed aegis triggers while having no real regenerative ability. Paper for sure, but was going for a proof of concept so tried to run without monk’s focus or altruistic healing.

It is missing something, which is why I opened up the idea to the community for theory crafting. It survived about as long as a medi guard would, but didn’t recover for chain fights quickly enough, thus lack of sustain for long fights (limit of many/most dps builds).

In the end I keep building back to meditations, which is why I was so quick to shut down the earlier link. I already know about meditations and standardized meta builds, trying to see what we can do outside of the box.

Maybe creative use of sigil/runes or something, not competitive for sure, but just experimenting for fun.

Thanks for input all and I hope people stay encouraged to push the boundaries instead of limiting themselves to what is already known.

How was that the meta? That’s nothing close to meta.

This is exactly what u asked for in ur post.

Cut my hand pretty bad at work Wednesday and had to get stitches on my index finger so it may be a few weeks until I can play again and give you guys more videos.

But at least the ascended version is there for you guys to strive for!

Ascended version is here!

The ascended version boasts 200 more power, 16% more crit chance, more crit damage and an incredible 600 more armor above the exotic version! It gains even more offensive power and incredible defense! With the more damge than the old build and the armor of a bunker build combined with the vast amount of blocks, blinds and invulnerability this build may soar above any other DPS Meditation build ever created!

There are four different versions to choose from based on what rune set you like. The rune sets covered are:

Rune of the Eagle
Rune of the Traveler
Rune of Speed
Rune of Strength

If you wish to have another rune set covered you can reply to this post or on the ascended video build/guide on Youtube. Just click the link below!

Doing the finishing touches for the ascended video! ;D

Empowering Wrath 9!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc1gGlESuQU

The 10th Empowering Wrath video will be the ascended release so check back periodically on the forums or my Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQp9h6mRgHc1mOk_BhqgV_w!

Relentliss.2170:

I love this build but admittedly it can not keep up with ALL the conditions in the game. A decent necro and any dps player can kill you pretty fast. So this talk of 2v1ing depends a lot on the classes you face.

Conditions will plague just about any class especially guardians. Good players will give you a little trouble period. True, the comp of the enemies your fighting will always come into play depending on your build. A necro + “insert class” usually always promotes some sort of challenge. 1v1 they are pretty easy but if more than just one, necro is usually the first you want to kill. lol

Rabidd.9458:

Sooo… Any word on the ascended version of this build? :P

The ascended version will be the 10th video! The 9th is nearing completion as we speak. :p

Yams.6082:

I would love to see some more wvw videos, particularly against condition classes. I have tried playing mace with a guardian in wvw but I get kited easily by condition engineers, PU mesmers (sometimes you gotta fight them, like holding a camp), and p/d thieves. Those fights always end up the same way – I’m loaded with conditions while they run around taking pot shots.

I’ll see what I can do! Usually the problem with wvw solo roaming is finding a fight to begin with. lol

Rasalhague.8270:

The most funny thing about those vídeos is that they are cherry picked moments of much higher number of deaths.
Not to mention the vídeo itself shows how easily other professions can get away from the Guardian and resume the fight after they have healed back to full.

On the contrary they are moments between the lull in the fighting. why would i show me standing around waiting for some one to come back to home for 2 minutes? You may get wrecked on your guardian all the time but don’t lump every other guardian with yourself. lol What exactly do you think a montage is? Oh well, i guess i gotta satisfy a hater then… if thats even possible. lol

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

Tyreal.5230:

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

Tyreal.5230:

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

Really guardian is great for organized team play if you know what your doing.

Solo play is less so. With how easy it is to kite a guardian you run into problems.

Really though all the guardian needs is for someone at Anet to do 3 things
1: Work on mace/shield/torch to make them more of a viable option
2: Work on a few of the traits (some are just laughable, some are meh and some you never want to use at all)
3: Consider giving the more offensive weapons (Sword/greatsword/scepter) some form of cripple (so that kiting is not as bad)

Mace is amazing…

Actually vs other weapons it’s very meh.

This is especially true in PVE & WvW where standing still can cause you to die very fast.
This causes most people to not want to use it because it requires you and your allies to stand in a symbol for a long period to gain the most benefit from it.

Simply cutting the duration of symbol of faith in half but doubling the effect per pulse would get rid of this problem without causing major problems in terms of balance.

The torch & shield also have their fair share of problems.

Dude, thats your problem. All you think about is bunker/support. Who said anything about using it for healing? Just because it has healing abilites doesnt tie its role to simple support. Mace is amazing as a dps meditation weapon. All 3 of its skills excel at doing above average dps. I posted a link to a thread for a build i created. Since posting it i have had nothing but positive feed back from it. In-game with whispers or letters, on youtube even through email. I make my builds through actual combat usage not crunching numbers. The build is great as it is now but the ascended version which I havent released is a vastly superior in terms of stats. Just because :you dont know what you are doing doesnt make it inferior because its not in any way.

Actually I do know what I’m doing and have tried your build.

While it is quite nice it falls behind some other builds that use the greatsword or sword in terms of raw DPS.

If anything my suggestion would make your build better. The overall DPS would not be changed but the burst potential would go up.

I don’t think you do. Because you took my build probably switched mace for sword. In turn you changed writ or exaltation/persistence for something else because mace is only good for healing support that you have to stand in for a few seconds to get. Then you switched rune or strength for travelers/speed because guardians mobility is so non-existent. Did you change two of the sigils to energy as well? lol What about the 2 points in Zeal? Take one out and put it into honor because you felt it needed protection and might because you couldn’t get enough stacks with sword/focus?

Your full blown zerker going down precision, crit damage and power traitlines may do a bit more dps by base stats than mine, but when mine uses 20+ stacks which it was created to do. I’m not sure about that. Guardian has the potential to have the best dps build in the game. The idea that guardian has to sacrifice any survivability it has to do decent damage is completely false and I intend to prove that with the ascended version which has already been created. I have not shown it yet because I want to create a video showcasing it and for that I need the gear.

Bursting is simply high damage in a small amount of time which this build is VERY good at doing. Provided you are using GS, Mace/Focus. Thank You for the pro advice, will definitely improve the build.