So, its balanced when BG wins and unbalanced when SOR wins? Got it!
We dont know what the balance will be in the future, not calling it unbalanced as of yet. Only thing was BG getting called out for not turning away guilds for the sake of balance. As far as we can go here is warning that this COULD unbalance things. Last weeks fight for first was up for grabs until the second to last day.
So one 60 man guild joins the same server as another 60 man guild.. why not fight AGAINST them instead of PvDooring everything? THIS is why WvW is never balanced.
10$ you move in 2 months bc you are bored.
SoR only look for fights anyway, they wont pvd unless theres some resistance
Yes most guilds on SoR do look for fights, only thing I ever see from iron is to golem rush every map during the beginning of euro time. Lets see how this handles balance. Pretty balanced fight all the way up to the end, looks like this will never end. Once it’s balanced, gotta do something to win.
thats what i meant, no reason to turn down a guild that wants to go to BG and no where else. I had remembered hearing some guild leaders talk about telling IRON that there are better fits and politely told them that. It was in response to the quote that BG hasnt recommended any guilds to another server, and it just happened recently with IROn and that changed the landscape of tier 1 by doing that.
No it’s not. SoR has done it anyone can do it as well. We are talking about large guilds and not individual players. The leaders of such guilds are level headed and looking for a challenge so they would listen to what the servers have to say because in the end they want to be welcomed there and to be part of the community. It is amusing to think otherwise.
I don’t see how that refutes my point, and everyone has turned away transfers at this point. BT and IRON did their research, neither SoR or BG had final say on their transfers.
Any guilds looking to transfer to T1 can ascertain on their own the strength of each server. MOS is brilliant that way. It’s JQ’s responsibility to appeal to potential tranfers, if they want any, in the community sense.
I have not heard of any guilds that were turned down by BG and/or recommend them to join a different server. Please do not take this the wrong way but, unfortunately, beyond explanations or excuses it reflects the server image and it is only up to BG to change that or not.
Its called a Black hole for the sole fact that many guilds go there only to have their players A) move guilds B.) quit the game C) convert to pve
Some of this is caused by guilds who started bleeding long before they decided to move to BG. The move just put the nail in the coffin. Had they moved sooner, they may have survived. Had they not moved, they may have survived. The thing is, however, it became a almost ritualistic occurrence on BG, hence the nickname the Black hole.
I could be wrong here, but didnt BG tell IRON they would be better somewhere else? anyone know if thats true?
XF did transfer over, and we are glad to have them. The SEA community is strong on our server and they fit right in with our other strengths in that time zone. What I think ya’ll are experiencing is the return of one of the strongest guilds in HB. The commanders in HB are some of the best across the server and BG probable has the edge in the European time slot now. From observing how IRON affected SOR and now the return of players for BG, you can take an educated guess at the winner by who ever controls that time.
AoN’s strategy is to run, unless they can win. We all know it. We basically ignore them till we know we can trap them and the rule is, if you die to AoN its because you weren’t where you were supposed to be. That’s why the zerg doesn’t bother turning around to save people. In an odd way, AoN strengthens the zerg.
I do think what they do is effective though, and certainly I have seen them kill larger numbers than themselves. When they are on the BL, we are very aware of it.
AoN’s strategy is to kite, not to run. "To lure a mob or player around while attacking or allowing allies to attack. " I don’t know what you mean by strengthen the zerg aside from maybe “what not to do when facing AoN”. They weaken the zerg enough until they are able to wipe everybody else safely (at least in my experience)…
LOL put the vocab words away and look at reality, they don’t kite when 3 are already dead, and as far as weaken a zerg? It must appear then that following 800 yards behind a zerg trying to land an imob is new superior tactics.
We out number you and you decide to run and fight another day. How dare you. Funny cause TC will run when it’s even numbers. The irony is strong here.
So I was hearing something about FA is better than TC? I think I’ve only ever seen TC lose to them once and every other time it’s just a server to chase around for loot bags. Why do I keep hearing from random FA players added me to party that our server is trash?
Those players consider winning as wiping the other server. From judging your post you play for ppt and coverage am I right? Just differences of opinion. See you out there in your zerg ball.
Bg is purposely focusing SoR for kicks, and alittle payback. SoR is going to be sore about it.
Uhm, how about No ?? This coming from an ex-BG member. If BG were only focusing SoR, then they would have never got 1st, something which SoR hasn’t been able to do in 3 months in T1. I can tell you numerous reasons why is it accepted as a fact among most BG people about why SoR goes for BG but this is not the thread for it. Also, it was and still remains one of the most cancerous discussions in the T1 thread and i would keep that away from here.
This is after Bg got first, starting this week. You can read the bg/sor/jq thread where even one of the European guild leader says it. I was part of Bg last month as well, being a starting out commander for GoF. You could even read the shoutbox on the Bg forums where people bring it up.
T2 has been tons of fun, close numbers on all sides. TC still takes first, lets see what the new guilds do to the balance. Welcome and I hope this doesnt turn into blow outs now.
Have you seen that ppt, definitely means we are giving up. the few posters here from TC please just keep fighting and try not to worried about the score. Don’t turn into T1 trolls and think ppt is everything and something is wrong with other servers cause of it. Kepp fighting.
Last thing, good to see that ppt like that with 3 guilds still incoming….
I’d like to take this moment to enjoy the irony of an FA member claiming TC will destabilize other servers.
Thanks
Which server did FA destabilize? Being serious though. IoJ was already down before tier3, and CD destabilized cause the oceanics and NA could never get on the same page. While the same argument goes for TC grabbing the remainder guilds from CD, you can say TC did not destabilize Cd as they were already on there way down. But a 3k difference between FA and TC, this tier doesn’t need more of anything.
Edit: I think what most FAers are upset about was how balanced this tier was and how much fun it made it. We won’t know for sure the impact of the new guilds, but an honest guess would be that it will throw the balance off.
Which guild quit from Kain? Anyways its just 1 person’s opinion that kaineng shouldn’t recruit anymore. While his opinion has some support with how close this tier is. If this guild that quit on kaineng makes a big gap in coverage then kaieng also has support for looking for one to fill the spot. Either way everyone has a valid argument. Lets get the thread back on track.
How come nobody tried to get us transfers when we came in 3rd place those times?
You guys got all the transfers you needed b/f getting into T2, so BG/KN/TC weren’t around to help out then. I’m sure if it becomes a problem here you’ll feel the T2 love too.
BG is the server that needs transfers.
T2 is fine
they do need transfers, but i have a feeling it is going to work the other way on that. BG loves 20vs.20 and 30vs.30 fights, not a big fan of the 80vs.80.
Bawllz Deeep!! Anyways ran with ya a few times when I was with GoF. Ou probably all know the guilds in BG. LW still going strong, haven’t seen Lazy in awhile, I think they too a break. Had to get out of tier 1 though, zerging is all there is. Playing against RISE now with VK.
Trust me i know all about Bg’s strong points, used to command there for the guild and always in Wvw for about 2 months. Only thing I was pointing out is that Kaineng kept a close race and would blow Tc out of the water, even with BG’s main focus was kaineng 100% of the time. Seeing the score now, even with new players in TC, kaineng can and would do better with ppt if they chose to. Back to the original arguement, kaineng’s main focus in Wvw is not ppt or coverage. nor do they focus ppt as much as Tc does. I do believe TC’s main focus is ppt. Now that i think aobut that wouldnt a bunch of roleplaers be more into the battles on the field then sitting with more towers and camps and playing a numbers game?
If kaineng actually played for points they would be in tier1. they play just enough of it to stay on top in tier2.
edit: When kaineng plays for points and you can see it when they played against BG, they would slaughter TC. To say they play just as much as TC is inaccurate. Go back to those scores and you can see what kaineng is/was capable of.
It’s a bit unfair to use the Stackgate matchup for context, here. Kaineng could ‘slaughter’ TC there because of their nighttime presence, which TC had almost none of. When it came to NA, one server was getting rolled by nascent-T1 Blackgate as much as the next.
Before stackgate. Only the last week is when blackgate received transfers, right before moving to tier 1. I believe there were 3 weeks before that when it was only 20-30k point difference. Part of the reason I said to go back and look at the old points.
If kaineng actually played for points they would be in tier1. they play just enough of it to stay on top in tier2.
edit: When kaineng plays for points and you can see it when they played against BG, they would slaughter TC. To say they play just as much as TC is inaccurate. Go back to those scores and you can see what kaineng is/was capable of.
FA did not get to t2 by playing ppt, they did it by having fun. You get to tier 1 by ppt and coverage, other then that there isn’t a server besides t1 servers that know the ppt game and coverage game.
As a player from TC… I would say I bet Kaineng would beg to differ.
As a player from FA I can’t talk for anyone else but me, not sure why you think you can. Being on BG when kaineng made it to tier 2, they are completely different server. more laid back and playing the game for fun. Not being worried about having to cover extra time slots, or what the ppt is a particular tick. I believe Kaineng could make it to tier 1 if they wanted to, but instead are sitting pretty and having a blast just playing.
FA did not get to t2 by playing ppt, they did it by having fun. You get to tier 1 by ppt and coverage, other then that there isn’t a server besides t1 servers that know the ppt game and coverage game.
One day from another reset.. Are we going to see weak 5 of: KN vs TC vs FA.
Can’t wait!
Really looking forward to one server in particular continuing to make up excuse after excuse for why they lose… or throw insults around about another servers tactics. IE) That they don’t fight in the open field, even though I can say from experience that said server not only fights in the open field, but more often than not destroys this complainer of a server even when outnumbered.
Love it when I hear others kitten about losing!
To play for ppt you need coverage, simple as that. That’s why I got out of that game and play just for the battles. Should come fight us on even numbers.
You guys are getting along fine. I just transferred from BG to TC after getting tired of the ridiculous mega-zerging and skill lag that is T1 WvW and i can say that your thread is excellent and really fun to read. If you are prepared for some hardcore cringe, go check out the JQ-BG-SoR thread. Be warned though.
Transferred off BG for the same reason. TC is great compared to BG once I found a great group to stick with. Lots more fun
Good to hear theres more that are doing this. Tranfered off of Bg as well but went to FA. Went with the least zergy server. Definitly quality over quantity. Not sure Tc knows any other way but to zerg something.
60 minutes is all you waited. I used to play on BG for 2 months and remember queues longer then that, plus just wait til all the fairweather players are gone. Reading alittle bit on BG and they have sooo many fairweathers running around capping camps at 10mins til tick not caring about the actually score. I know WvW is for fun, but Tier 1 has a different approach to fun. Anyways transfer servers, get out of tier 1, its a toxic environment to begin with.
Lol i had to drink for the other reason, it was becoming unbearable. Felt like they focused us the whole time not just the beginning. worst part was there was no queue by 9pm st. So we did our best. We were waiting for ya’ll to hit garrison, and time it up with hills but never came. But we all understand why we would get focused. By later in the week SoR will be a non-factor and it will be down to us again. Can’t wait.
GoF should stop running when they’re even numbered!
It was tough on that map, at first really the only presence til Pro joined us. Not going to lie it hurt. you can tell by the waypoint already in bay where SoR was focusing on. JQ just joined em. We will keep smashing cause we know later in the week the rest of BG will be there. Good fights all around though.
edit: if you are on SoR, asking for even number fights is alittle messed up. we got steamed roll by them everytime, and when we did win fights JQ hits from the backside. but if you are Jq i applaud you on the tactics, and whatever ya’ll did to SoR to have them let you have a waypoint in bay.
If anyone on the BG community knew who it was doing the rams in Jq’s keeps there would have been something done about it. The fingers need to be pointed at arena net on this issue. This exploit has been around for awhile now and yet nothing has been done about it.
Same thing happened when Kaineng got to T2 against us. Rams everywhere, We reported the person on multiple occasions and nothing happens. The crappy thing about that instance was we knew who it was and he was an actually guild leader for a guild on kaineng. Hopefully the only good thing that will come out of this is it happened in T1 and it did play some part in JQ losing the match. And with that Arena Net is forced to do something about it.
There are zoom hacks in the game. As far as i know Anet hasn’t done anything about those. If you have a problem contact the guild leader of that guild. Not trying to say that this player is doing that. Wasn’t there for it.
How does one target the inside of a keep while right up against the outer wall with a superior arrow cart ? I saw this particular guild place a superior arrow cart and was able to not only move with a target but selectively target various defensive sieges & follow players with the arrow cart. All while up against the wall.
Now I’ve went into this spot myself and my camera cannot pan above the wall, nor does moving it around at various angles permit me to target anywhere within the keep.
So how do they do it ? I’ve reported the individual & guild to anet anyways and perhaps they’ll answer me.
SoR is picking up? Bg is still ticking for 380 ppt. not saying this wont change but nothing has picked up yet for SoR. Your post was over an hour ago, and nothing has changed….
what happened is SoR burned themselves out. Same thing we did against JQ the first week.
from my experience today it has gotten worse already. I’m starting to get to the point where WvW isn’t fun anymore. And all of this before the culling fix which arena net has said nothing about how it will effect server lag.
Meh WvWvW altogether has just become dull. With the terrible portal bombs, lag, culling, etc, most people would rather spend their time doing something productive. On a side note, BG will end up burning themselves out like they’re doing. No one from SoR or JQ have been on since Sunday in force.
I saw Foo in BGBL on early mornings, EMP here and there, but the PvP since reset has been boring. Not to mention the fact BG got some more transfers from JQ for their Oceanic slots. I hope JQ and SoR will get some people on so we don’t run around and take empty towers and keeps with no fights.
I think it is really funny that two servers have to double team in order to fight Blackgate. Tonight I saw in EB first hand that you guys are communicating and organizing mutual defense/offenses.
The fact that you are double teaming to beat BG is rather pathetic.
please ignore this JQ and SOR. regardless of a double team. Bg is taking it easy this week. double teaming us wont really accomplish much.
Yes. Really the only way that anet can stop this is by a mandatory forced rez after a certain time. 10 minutes is alittle much for me personally. 5 is about how far i would wanna sit there with someone. But there are little tricks that keep them there indefinitely, like swapping armor. I first saw this from a mesmer from TC on PINK. Even said something in the forums and the guild came out and defended it as anet wouldnt allow something in game if it was an exploit. Lets see what happens with the new march path and keep your fingers crossed and submit bug reports.
Reports like these are most likely the reason why Anet never sees the real hacker reports :/. You get 100’s of reports like this a day, it really clouds the much needed reports.
Yes this could be something that bogs down the system. However, this game has been out for over 6 months and arena net has been made clear that hacking still exists, and for some reason its upon the player to report any hacking, and arena net stands by and does nothing? i know arena net really doesnt just stand by, but after this long, it is starting to feel that way. This is something recent and has a very quick fix that if enough people(once again it’s on the players to let arena net know something is wrong with there game) we can have this fixed by next patch. I 100% see where you are coming from, but will disagree that the use of the exploit reports in this situation is not beneficial.
I see 3 different problems all stemming from the same engine/los problem. AC’s/Cata’s against the back of a gate, Dragon’s Tooth on seige behind walls, rezing mesmer’s through a gate.
Anet already stated that cata’s against the back of a gate was unintended, but that it would take major engine reworking to fix it and it isn’t a priority right now. So, cata’s and ac’s used to hit the backside of a gate are indeed an exploit. This means that Dragon’s Tooth and rezing through a gate are also exploits. So let’s all agree not to do any of these things! Yeah that’ll work.
I simply think that anet needs to do something about how long you can just lay their dead. There should be a hard cutoff of 10 minutes before you are forced to rez or afk’d out. I personally don’t mind putting a scout on a dead mesmer’s body if the time period is finite, but when the mez can just sit there indefinately, there is something wrong. I just camp it for the 10 minutes and submit the starting pic and ending pic in with a bug report. If they haven’t afk’d out after 10 minutes they are circumventing the afk mechanism and it is a ban-able offense. Hopefully I’ve gotten some mez’s suspended, but who knows.
Yes. Really the only way that anet can stop this is by a mandatory forced rez after a certain time. 10 minutes is alittle much for me personally. 5 is about how far i would wanna sit there with someone. But there are little tricks that keep them there indefinitely, like swapping armor. I first saw this from a mesmer from TC on PINK. Even said something in the forums and the guild came out and defended it as anet wouldnt allow something in game if it was an exploit. Lets see what happens with the new march path and keep your fingers crossed and submit bug reports.
Don’t turn into T1 trolls and think ppt is everything and something is wrong with other servers cause of it. Kepp fighting.