Guild Wars 2

Wethospu.6437:

haviz.1340:

STRanger.5120:

Exactly, so any comparison of skills itself is really pointless, because of class mechanics.
Only skills that can be compared to each other somehow are utilities (blink vs Lightning flash f.e.) And even then, the other options of the certain class should be taken in account…
@OP: Sorry, but this discussion is hardly leading anywhere, the game mechanics are too complex for that.

It’s not pointless because ele has no mechanics different from warrior.

Stuff which Warrior lacks:
- pets to summon
- weapons to summon which can actually be used to attack/do stuff
- anti-projectile (AoE)
- teleport
- more weapon skills
- true invulnerability

Just wondering, what do you actually want from the Elementalist?

bangs for the bucks

PlatypusRex.3428:

LOL. Ok. I didn’t know if it was some kind of running gag.

Actually I would gladly spare this sentence. It’s just that I can’t help but showing Kodiak how silly it is to think that way every time I give advice

Yes this particular individual is very high in my esteem

AH yeah somehow I didn’t see that you had put 10 in earth when I quoted you, strange.

Scepter is bad but please play the way you want

Photoshopped

Theory works perfectly fine …. argh why can’t people understand this?

It’s not like there is some kind of paravirtual force in-game that skews the maths !!

Because if I don’t Kodiak will come and kill me in my sleep for imposing advice on others

Both could work

Stone splinters works as intended

Zephyr’s boon, air training, fresh air
Vital striking, cleansing wave, powerful auras
Elemental attunement

It’s a niche build though, with a heavy accent on support, but it is an interesting way to get into D/F

Solo.9027:

Scholar runes are not that expensive anymore, maybe 10-12g for a whole set if you are patient. I’m almost done my 2nd 500 craft to fully get into d/f but i’ll probably use 0/30/10/10/20 for fresh air, the damage boosts, and vigor/boon-on-swap. Not sure on utilities but all signets might be best until I get used to the rotations.

Why not stone splinters instead of vital striking?

Actually Wethospu if you think you have what it takes to complete this demanding challenge then please proceed and then release a creative challenge of yours

Oh you just set food in the wrong neighbourhood …

What is the animation time on eviscerate?

He used the G word … ruuuuuuun !!!

I am one elementalist’s hp pool away from deciding to reroll a warrior.

Both are not incompatible

Just do the maths yourself if you don’t trust my ability to add numbers together.
I mean it’s not like I have published a calculator is it?
Oh yes it’s a spreadsheet, so maths… well it’s not like the game engine is using maths too is it?

Anyway, staff’s damage is in fire. Anything else is not decent. Trust me, I have tried and tried, there’s just nothing to do with this weapon.
Arcana is awful … what is 10% boon duration compared to something like 100 power and 10% damage in fire?

Grevender.9235:

I can already hear the horde outraging when they will release patchnotes….

I’m slowly turning to the dark side. The patchnotes will be my Padme Amidala.

AndrewSX.3794:

Gnat.9405:

What healing skill is recommended for general play?

Either Signet (passive healing from the Ele skill spamming) or Ether Renewal (cleanses a TON of conditions).

Glyph of elemental harmony is also desirable because it is comparatively fast to cast and that saves you some time to put out more damage.

I would tend to agree with Nike

Oh there is a huge part of me that loves doing just that Stop teasing me, oh you!

Before I show any of my magic I need to check a few things about warriors, namely that axe auto chain. There was a recent change on the wiki saying that the last hit deals more damage than I previously thought.

STRanger.5120:

Jacks.5367:

The charges and duration are just to limit the OP of the conjure weapon. Just think about this. If you can run GS on water and earth attunement at all time. DPS + survivability!!!

Nobody talked about the FGS, we started this conjure discussion according to the upcoming patch, and that covers only utility conjures, not Elite….

Also like Zelyhn wrote, which survivability did you mean? 5 secs of protection?

You also get 1 toughness per level in earth! And with the OP effect of lingering elements you extend this OP bonus to other attunements! Oh wait

Jacks.5367:

The charges and duration are just to limit the OP of the conjure weapon. Just think about this. If you can run GS on water and earth attunement at all time. DPS + survivability!!!

Survivability from OP soothing mist?

STRanger.5120:

Zelyhn.8069:

Define decent please

8k dps by estimate with a good group, there’s unfortunately no damage meter for this game… And everybody knows that the spreadsheets don’t reflect the real dps achieved.
And of course, it also depends on the group quality. If you have 3x signet GS warrior in it, you hardly can push out that much….

Nobody knows that

I use LH for blinds, especially when Haviz threatens to kick me, and also shield for pulling/packing. Axe is useless.

Am I being summoned ?

Define decent please

Hey Dolan check my signature

STRanger.5120:

haviz.1340:

Zelyhn.8069:

I am so frustrated today because I learned that attunement swap cooldown is two second long, not one like I though. This reduces our damage on FA D/F enormously. I am bloody tired of trying superhard to perform well with my beloved class and not being able to achieve enough despite my great efforts. If tomorrow’s patch doesn’t bring us one billion buffs they are in for one hell of a rant.

You’ll get better support.

I would rather call that a “normalized” support, if you know what I mean….

And whatever they do to conjures is kinda irrelevant, if those will still have both charges and duration.

Which is good. I picked elementalist, not engineer.

Haviz already has a warrior

Dolan.3071:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/Zelyhn-s-Advanced-PvE-Build-Direct-Damage/page/3#post2930985

But don’t tell him I recommend his builds or I’ll never hear the end of it

OOoooooohiioooooooohioooooooo

I mean FA with D/F

And if I can give you a suggestion: get out of arcana: more than 10 points in this tree is reducing your damage. Yes evasive arcana is very weak in PvE for the price you pay to get it.
Also get scholar runes.

More of one mechanic does not mean different mechanic

0/30/0/30/10 D/F
otherwise please play the way you want

STRanger.5120:

haviz.1340:

STRanger.5120:

Exactly, so any comparison of skills itself is really pointless, because of class mechanics.
Only skills that can be compared to each other somehow are utilities (blink vs Lightning flash f.e.) And even then, the other options of the certain class should be taken in account…
@OP: Sorry, but this discussion is hardly leading anywhere, the game mechanics are too complex for that.

It’s not pointless because ele has no mechanics different from warrior.

I have a bad news for you, if you really believe that, you’re playing your Elementalist wrong. Sorry.

Yeah Haviz is widely known for being bad at playing ele.

I’m sooo fruuustrated today!!

Edit: seriously Haviz, really, l2p!

STRanger.5120:

Zelyhn.8069:

The fact that some classes’ mechanics are superior to other does not matter … I don’t know why it is so hard to understand that comparing skills is relevant in the sense that it is a first step to evaluate class balance.
I’m loosing my nerves a bit today after learning about attunement swap cd being at 2s.

It’s not hard to understand, but it’s not a step to evaluate class balance, because the output of this analysis, the result will be total non-sense. You can’t just take one aspect of the class, analyze it separately and hope to get a valid result.

Yes I can.

I am so frustrated today because I learned that attunement swap cooldown is two second long, not one like I though. This reduces our damage on FA D/F enormously. I am bloody tired of trying superhard to perform well with my beloved class and not being able to achieve enough despite my great efforts. If tomorrow’s patch doesn’t bring us one billion buffs they are in for one hell of a rant.

The fact that some classes’ mechanics are superior to other does not matter … I don’t know why it is so hard to understand that comparing skills is relevant in the sense that it is a first step to evaluate class balance.
I’m loosing my nerves a bit today after learning about attunement swap cd being at 2s.

Hard to tell without proper animation frame counting

Total coefficient from GS chain: 2.3 (=2.53 if modified for relative weapon damage, but one less sigil compensates that)
Total coefficient from the first two attacks of Axe’s chain: 2.1
All you need is the animation time to evaluate, very likely the axe interrupted chain is faster

haviz.1340:

Yea, it’s correct.

This means that warrior’s axe auto is extremely high!

Total coefficient would be 5.26, over 3.6s, that is 1.46 per second … we are getting into figures comparable to 100b here

you mean: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sword_Wave ?

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

haviz.1340:

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

It’s displayed as 470 (x2), so if it follows the same rule that other skills do; it means 2×470 (i.e. each hit does 470)

Please don’t. :p

Am I wrong? Guardian 3rd auto attack is displayed like that and is accurate

Yeah what is inaccurate is the wiki

If I am not mistaken the rule is actually the opposite: damage listed is total, and the multiplier just shows how many hits occur, check 100b for example

STRanger.5120:

haviz.1340:

Mesmer dps from weapons is probably the worst in the game….

I don’t think this is true, mesmer just doesn’t rely on his autoattack to do his dmg, that’s all. Well played mesmer can dish out very respecable amount of damage, trust me

Bloody hell learn how to read!

Isn’t 470 the total damage from those two hits?

A suggestion: fresh air.
Otherwise please play the way you want

I just noticed that attunement swap cooldown is 2s, not 1 like I thought, and can be reduced by points in arcana … woaw … I have to rework all my rotation TC now.
I had a feeling that attunement swap cd was too high, especially when running D/F persisting flames + FA, because it requires fast swapping … obviously the game does not allow that. My disappointment is high as you can guess by the numbers of “…” I am using …

To reply to you, I agree, except that engineer’s toolbelt is actually its utility bar and kits are their attunements. But that’s for engis; they have other issues.

Mesmer’s sword auto chain has a coefficient per second of 0.96, applies two stacks of 5s vulnerability and rips a boon for a commitment of 2.5s and range is 130.

To be honest what I expect to find from this study is that your first 2 or 3 skills in each attunement are equivalent to that of other classes, and that skills 4 and 5 are balanced with longer cooldowns. This would make sense to me: since we have 4 attunements we can have 4 sets of long cooldowns running at the same time versus two for other classes so our skill’s long cooldowns should be about twice as long as that of other classes (actually a bit less to compensate for the constraint of attunement cooldowns).

However, the guardian’s sword auto chain has a coefficient per second of 1.24 and a range varying between 150 and 300 for a commitment time of 2.5s. It seems to me this is slightly worse than LW.

There has been a recent change on the wiki page for the warrior’s axe chain. The coefficient per second of that chain seems to be 1.46 as opposed to the 1.36 previously used.

haviz.1340:

Neither.

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