Guild Wars 2

Good thing we’re blue!

Will this zone work as a staging area for WvW with crafting stations, vendors, mystic forge etc?

Will players on the same server be able to join different teams on this map to fight eachother?

What incentive will there be to hold objectives?

Atrophied.8725:

“Why can’t I pick something up when I’m dead?” – you realise how silly that sounds, right?

Why can’t I sprint along teleporting loot into my magical bags that hold a ridiculous number of things that weigh nothing?
Oh wait, I can.

In the past, it hasn’t ticked for a little while, but then started going again for quite a while before people could log in again.

I would guess that it’s faster because the matches are predetermined so it’s not waiting to do the rating calculations and determine the new random matches.

As for getting in at reset, you can do it from an overflow, especially since we have predetermined colors now. You can do it either from the portals in LA, or the dropdown menu in the WvW panel. For the dropdown menu, top bl is red, 2nd is blue, 3rd is green.

It’s not just Gold league. The worst schedule I’ve seen is Dragonbrand’s. They get FA 3 times and SBI 3 times. Even if DB were the 3rd strongest server, they would only be able to get 4th or 5th in the league because of this. Since they are now losing to BP, they could easily drop to 6th or even 7th.
Of course, perhaps Anet intended to give servers that can win their tier an edge in league points through the duplicate week 1 and 7 matches.

I have had camp buffs stick on me before a few times, not really sure what causes it. For me, it dropped off after some time, but it could be tied to ownership of the objective. My guess is that it can only happen to whoever claimed it with the supervisor.

Yes, Omegas are very powerful at pushing through defenses when you have a numbers advantage. However, if the defenders have equal numbers they should be able to rally and stop you. It is important to know they have the Omegas coming so you can make sure everyone gets in position and has reflects swapped onto their bar.

1. Bugs
2. Defending
3. Stat creep

I would recommend a set of Knight’s armor. This way you can also get an appropriate Rune set as well and just switch armor between PvE/WvW. You can keep using the Berserker’s trinkets so that you’ll still have pretty high damage even with your decent armor (should be up around 3k)

Omne.4603:

Eliandal.8735:

Solstice.1097:

Devon did state he will be on NSP and will be getting the meta achievement.

However it is suspect whether NSP will capture SMC 5 times in the entire season, let alone a single player present all 5 times.

Oh come on – SM is not THAT hard to take….if YB can take it from SBI (more than) 5 times in one week, then NSP will manage to do so just fine

Please try to keep trolling to a minimum. Thanks.

Just have Bird Song solo it for you a couple times a week. Make sure you have a gate tagged first though.

It’s not a bug, they did it to put a stop to the duping. I’m sure they’ll allow putting siege away once they stop the duping more permanently.

I’ll take the 10 mesmers against the 100 omegas.

clint.5681:

Sabull.5670:

Haha, well I do not think your match up is what is of the best type. Referring to
BP, IoJ, CD and FG, DH, SF match ups. Those were the first 2 posted in this topic.
Firstly I’ll say, I do not play in US, I have though. I do not play in Gold or Bronze league, I play silver league EU.

I am reffering to the first 3 links in the topic:
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/map/1039
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/map/1040
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/map/1035
I just found funny how the bronze ones were linked as how the matches should be. When the objective spread tells about very passive and boring gameplay. Gold league match up objective spread tells about the actual healthy gameplay from objective point of view.

How the objective spread is in these match up is very common for low tier match up. It is exactly same in lowest league of EU aswell, where I have played. As I am watching the maps for these 2 match ups I see noone having objectives on enemies borderland, and noone has anything from the enemy in EB either.

This is very common in the lower tiers where they have people just for 1 border and EB. They stack their own border and make sure they have everything in there, and all 3 servers do the same. Result: everyone ticking 1 full home border and their own side of EB, equal points, rarely venturing to raid the enemy lands. And this happens for majority of the ticks, obviously there are other caps here and there, but this is the equiblirium fluctuated around-
These 2 match-ups just perfect examples of this.

Then as I compare it to the third post, which seems to be the highest match-up,
JQvBGvSoR I see totally different objective spread. Every server has multiple objectives on every map, fluctuating around the standard: every server has their own in every borderland and EB, like briar/refuge/bay.

So there are 2 ways for equal match up from the scores here. The lowest league one:
- all servers stack max players for their home border and cap it to the full with little opposition. Once this is capped they think about moving to another border. The standard situation is: all 3 servers have home border fully capped and own side in EB.
The highest league one:
- All servers have a presence in all maps. Everyone tries to hold their own corner of the borderland while poking forward from there. Resulting in more fighting against opponents instead of just holding homeborder against nothing and having such overwhelming force in homeborder + siege preparation.

I do not think anyone can say the lowest tier equibilirium is the healthy one here.

And NO I am not talking about blobbing, zerging, gvg, necromancers, warriors, permastealth thieves, arrow carts. I am talking about the general PPT metagame that is obviously shown in these 2 very different styles.

You can guess all you want without actually playing in one of these matches your guesses mean nothing. SF/DH/FC has been anything but boring and passive and it has been healthy match up. You just wasted a nice amount of time talking about something you know nothing about. We have constantly traded assets in EB and BL if you we’re watching that during NA time you would see that.

I actually agree with Sabull that the kind of matchup we are having is boring and unhealthy, although he is greatly overestimating how many people our servers have.

The home bls are not “stacked,” it is the complete opposite. Most of the people are in EBG, and most hours of the day there will be 2-8 active players in the home bl. Upgrades are not done and defensive siege is not placed most of the time. As soon as one server gets a commander with a zerg in someone elses bl, they usually take most of it with little resistance. Then people from EBG will come to take it back eventually. There is nothing strategical going on in the bls, and a very low amount of fighting (other than roaming). The winner of this just depends on which bl got karma trained the least. Right now it’s looking like FC since they’ve actually held all their keeps for at least 12 hours.

I will give huge props, however, to the few people that have kept trying to defend and upgrade in this matchup. WvW needs more people like that, and all the patches have just been making it harder for them.

Solstice.1097:

yep the first week of WvW on record FC was rank 21 and faced Darkhaven.

we lost by 502,600 points. that is not a typo.

We have been in T8 ever since. Until now kittens! Grats FC!

Yeah… some of those early matchups were just awful.
http://i.imgur.com/jk9fgkR.jpg

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Narsil.6579:

Avatar of Belle.9623:

Toble.2968:

We never get many transfers and people transfer off and fizzle out or pve and whatnot. Has nothing to do with not wanting to be in silver league. We will be happy anywhere there are fights, win or lose pointwise.

I expect you will become the new bandwagon server for bronze league. If I were a bandwagoner I’d be looking at NSP, HoD, SF…possibly DH (DH is doing very poorly this week so that would strike it off my list). To be honest I like NSP the most out of all of these servers since I like the roaming groups on your server.

Yeah its been confirmed, NSP is the new bandwagon server, it doesn’t take logic, based on their placement and standings, only way they would lose is if, somehow a silver leagues server lost rating fell and NSP took their spot, then NSP would be last place in silver league, in which case which ever server from silver league fell, would still probably have a field trip on us, unless of course it turned out to be another fallen GoM or DR or DH, then in which case, I think SF and HoD would duke it out for the bronze league. crosses fingers

NSP might be the new bandwagon server, but they’ll have WvW superstar recruit Devon Carver himself around to balance things out. The points other teams get for spiking him alone might send NSP down to T8.

Devon’s probably been on NSP the whole the time. It’s not like he’s going to be running around on a character named Devon Carver repping ANET.

highlandria.7941:

Got 100g saying that if I get 2 weeks to set up in gom, gom can and will beat ar once we match up in the silver league, Care to wager?

So you think that the rank 21 server can somehow manage to beat rank 23 with the help of your amazing strategies?
Ok…

Kronyx.2570:

Talk to the workers then they start workin

^ This. It does happen sometimes. The event will also sometimes be bugged and not show up (or show a a previous upgrade from before it flipped), but the upgrade is still active.

Mepheles.2087:

Any guess as to who we’ll all be fighting in about 3 1/2 hours?

Dragonbrand and GoM

Asquared.4091:

Why do we not have verification on this information? As in, why would Anet not spell out how points are earned?

It seems to me like it makes all the sense in the world for players to learn how to score points and develop a strategy around that. After all, this is supposed to be at least a semi-competitive game mode.

You get 3 points for killing an enemy yak while it is walking on it’s supply route.
You get 3 points when one of your yaks completes it’s route.
You get 1 point for taking a sentry.

Hey man, have fun out there!
I’ll miss seeing you around.

Kinda. They only respawn instantly if they have been alive for at least 5 minutes. If they die or complete their route in less than 5 minutes, they will have the 5 minute respawn timer. If they die or complete their route in more than 5 minutes, they will respawn right away.

Also, slapping the yaks does not increase the total yak points, it actually decreases them slightly in most cases because of how the respawn works.

We were against SBI and Ehmry for a little bit there.
It didn’t let me into SBI bl though.

Blix.8021:

Everyone suggesting 3 leagues for NA needs to go back to elementary school.

You can do 3 leagues. They don’t all have to be the same size.
9+9+6=24
Yay!

BlazeQ.1095:

mos.millenium.org will show it on all maps if you have a second monitor.

Yup, just another reason to have it up at all times. It’s currently not showing neutralized ones though.

Tukmolytes.3467:

Joke!!!!

ANET doesn’t care about this problem.

You got me.

Not even sure how I could fall for that one after all this time.

Blix.8021:

insanemaniac.2456:

Blix.8021:

Attacking guards does not make white swords, attacking a cannon or oil will

attacking siege does not cause swords

only gates, walls and the tower lord.

…hitting the gate while you hit oil? not so hard.

Before I posted it I double checked by running up to hills and shooting the oil. Unless someone happened to contest it at the same time, hitting the oil caused white swords after the short delay period.

It does not. Many skills will, however, also hit the gate with aoe/bounce when you are hitting the oil.

DevonCarver.5370:

insanemaniac.2456:

why we wont see a useful outnumbered buff:

scenario — player enters map where his server has outnumbered. server loses outnumbered. other players harass him to leave so server can be stronger.

Correct. The idea behind the buff is to incentivize you to show up even if you are outnumbered by pulling out some of the disincentive for losing a lot, but if we put anything too good on it, it will cause serious problems between players. We don’t want it to be something that people fight over, harass each other over, or generally cause a worse play experience because someone takes away the buff because it is our goal for the maps to be full and for no one to have the buff.

Unfortunately, this same harassment/bad experience can happen to players that die when the other team has the new orb buff .

There must not be enough people getting 20v1’d

Yes, SBI is strong enough to easily move up to Gold in time for the leagues to start.
IoJ would be my pick for winning Silver. They have the strongest night presence (will take 10k+ a night from most servers) and I don’t think Yak’s Bend will be able to make up enough points during the day.

Altie.4571:

@ point 3.

They have already stated that there will be a list of achievements to be done in order to qualify for a reward. So in that respect your server will see MORE people join WvW and participate because they will have to go and grab camps, take towers/keeps and defend stuff in order to receive the reward.

I can’t comment on the other points because everything is speculation at this point, we simply don’t know what will happen.

Unfortunately, this will actually make the blowouts bigger!
The people this will bring in are the achievement hunters, and they will be busy already trying to do their dailies + all the Living World stuff. So they will come in when their server is winning to karma train through their achievements in the most efficient way possible. As soon as it gets tough they will leave to PvE and come try again later.
These people won’t help upgrade/defend, or probably even drop siege, and the hardcore WvW players will once again be left holding the bag.

Dream In A Dream.7213:

Johje Holan.4607:

Shiren.9532:

Johje Holan.4607:

Shiren.9532:

I’m considering moving to a new server. My current server’s rank means it will be guaranteed not to finish in the top three of either NA league. The knowledge that simply by being on the wrong server I will be missing out on rewards and loot is very disheartening to me. I don’t see WvW as balanced or competitive enough to justify giving out rewards for people who stack on servers with better coverage – this is something they should never do in such an imbalanced competition which ideally wants to encourage players spreading across servers not stacking on the same ones.

I’m personally sick of the tier one meta but with the new changes to the Bloodlust mechanic emphasising the need to have coverage on multiple maps and rewards for stacking on one server (lower rank servers will likely see far less relevance with this mechanic due to an inability to competitively compete for multiple points on three different maps) in addition to the fact that all servers in a league will play each other, so uber stacked servers will play against rank 12 servers leading to several weeks of guaranteed blowouts. This whole thing is a disaster and the wrong direction for the format. I was hoping the devs would actively design more content to encourage players to spread across servers but everything they have done and are doing in the last year seems to make higher ranked servers snowball in desirability. They are moving in a direction which further favours server stacking, not one which equalises the experience for all servers.

If you’re in NA and not on SoR or BG now, it’s probably time to consider transferring there. If not, you will likely get stomped over the next few weeks and have close to zero chance of getting good league rewards.

That makes no sense. You realize that you’re going to lose money by transferring right? You also realize that you have you have to complete the meta-events to qualify for the season chest – so you can’t just log in once to WvW and get the chest.

No one should transfer because of this tournament – except of course high tier people who want to even out the population for some fun fights

It’s a one time transfer. The current WvW system is setting up dynastys. The top servers are mostly stable, I doubt we will see SoR or BG drop out of the top three in the next year so and with 7 week seasons, I suspect you will get multiple wins by transferring. We aren’t talking a single season worth of rewards, we are talking several seasons of rewards. It’s true that if you had to transfer every season to stay on top it wouldn’t make sense, but I doubt that’s the case. .

There’s going to be a lot of kittens in this post because Devon won’t answer a simple kittening question that is perhaps the cause of all this god kitten worry and this post indicates it perfectly.

God kittening kitten it Devon, why the kitten don’t you tell us if this is an ongoing thing or if this is a single “tournament”. It sounds to me like it is a single tournament but all the worry and complaints are mostly based around the assumption that it is an ongoing thing.

From the blog post I felt like they are making it a recurring event. So as soon as one ends, next one starts.

Sounds like they plan on more, but hopefully after the first season trainwrecks they will change it or come up with some way to balance the servers.

Hey I guess it’s an excuse to not change anything for 7 weeks, not that they really needed one.

This means we’ll be stuck with v1.0 of Bloodlust for the whole duration though. I would rather that they be willing to change/update things mid-season even if it’s not “fair”

Zikory.6871:

Johje Holan.4607:

I just hope that they make it so there are natural 2v1 possiblities. Attempt to put two weaker servers against one stronger server instead of one weaker against two stronger.

Which brings up the point of 2v1’s. We had all better be prepared to engage in proper 2v1’s. No more whining about, oh, its not fair. Or I refuse to do it.

When you got Yaks and Ebay going up against SoR you kitten well better be doing a full out 2v1 against SoR.

Yes and no, You have to look at what is possible. Chances are SoR is going to stomp that match so it would be in Yaks or Ebays best interest to play for a solid second place. So shooting for SoR 100% of the time forces SoR to focus you, which trust me, isn’t awesome. It would be best to play the maps as they are meant to be played, 2v1 the home BL server and then 2v1 SoR on EBG. This of coarse is if you have the population to do this.

The problem is, even if the matched servers are closer to eachother than in this example, this league system encourages the weaker servers to play for 2nd place right from the start by awarding more “points” for 2nd than 3rd. This will just make the matches even more unbalanced. Hopefully there will be some servers that don’t care about league placement and attack the stronger server, but it won’t really help unless you have 2 in the same match.

scootshoot.6583:

Awolf.9123:

I’d like to see a system where guilds get influence for each tick they hold a location, that ramps up each tick. .

Would just create /afk farmers.

Have one person watch the structures and then find another to come in for relief help every 15-30 minutes…..repeat. All you need is someone calling out in advance so that the main forces get there in time.

Sounds an awful lot like defending. So… success?

The actual problem would be people with no buffs claiming things to get influence.

Zulubeast.8519:

Looks like a way to break up the zerg as well, not enough information from the stream to pass positive/negative judgement but I’m excited for the changes at least!

Not so sure about that, since all 5 of the cap points are in a circle in the middle relatively close to eachother.

It’s just a 15 minute booster to try to get people to buy the full ones in the gem store. May as well just pop it on your alt when you’re taking a keep or something.

Miss Firesss.3704:

skullmount.1758:

Sagabatou.1076:

Only defender in Veloka against the SoS PvDoor’ers. :’(

How the heck are you guys getting red circles that far in?

That’s a zoom lock hack.

No, as stated above, you can build an ac near the gate and target through the gap above the door.

Great fights with both servers in YB bl bay tonight, thanks for the fun time guys!

Also, <3 BANE.

Aeros.2046

Someday, true. Perhaps one day we’ll have coverage 24/7. But in a way, I don’t think I want that because then we’ll end up outside the middle tier. I kinda like where we are, with a wide menu of options to fight. Incidentally, good chance we’ll be fighting this friday

I agree with you there. We’ve been having great matchups in the mid tiers pretty much every week! I’m sure we’ll run into you guys sometime soon too.

Actium.8765:

holy crap. So I was checking out the live map on MOS and noticed that [WE] Win Everyday claimed SW camp in SoS BL… Can it be? Have my long lost friends returned?!

Sorry, it was just me. Needed a supply buff to take some keeps.

Becka Williams.4978:

Have a good time, and I’m really sorry, Yak’s and Darkhaven.

No need for you guys to apologize, it happens sometimes. We’ll just do what we can.

Deamhan.9538:

Dear NSP and SBI,

We were hoping to actually have some competition. You two really needed to form an alliance. It seems to be the only way for us to be challenged.

Sincerely,
Darkhaven

We are only up by 26k and have been losing our keeps 2-4 times a day. Seems pretty close to me.

Hmmm, I bet they’ll patch in an ICD.

In the meantime, anyone know if this will work with fear?

I’m still trying to figure out why they nerfed things like Union wp farm only to put in a new zone that’s essentially designed as a huge loot pinata.

Jesse.4631:

Just PD from Darkhaven and us, come onnnnn n IOJ wheres your representatives in fight night

Had a great time at the windmill, thanks for the fights everyone who came!

mexay.3902:

Is anyone interested in some Bollaball matches?

If you don’t know what it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UcVzFLl77zM#at=307

Guidelines are everyone plays naked and uses level 2 hammers.

Whisper me or send me a mail if you’re interested. I think this could be really fun.

Thanks for posting this, hadn’t heard about bollaball yet.
We tried it out for 2 or 3 hours in an arena last night and had a blast. However, we were using some slightly different rules. We only had enough people for 3v3 or 4v4 so we didn’t have a goalkeeper and just let everyone use ring of warding. It’s pretty fun trying to block banishes with it.

Loren Michael.7891:

TogoChubb.3984:

Loren Michael.7891:

TogoChubb.3984:

Good times just now at NE tower in SBI BL…You guys just kept coming.

Was there for that one. I was one of the two who built the treb in the camp and the AC off the side of the wall to mess with ya. Great fight, the best of my night. Well fought! Tell the thief from Zzzz that he did a good job giving my friend and I a run for our money! Bravo!

Agreed on the best fight of the night. Yes, we kept trying to get our thieves out to get your siege down. That arrow cart from the back side of the tower was definitely the beginning of the end to our siege. We were mostly able to counter all of the trebs in some fashion or another, however, that AC from the back side took out some of our pivotal siege and then the constant trebbing and that last catapult you guys made finished off our siege. We weren’t sure on time but I think that fight lasted almost 45 minutes and was just a constant war zone….Kudos to all of you that were there.

I was taking video of the fight and it was hilarious by the end of the fight that both walls and the gate were down. About the only thing left of that tower was the supply depot and a bunch of dead soldiers. I felt like we did the best we could with the man power we had and on supply management.

I wish more fights could be this much fun. Even though you guys won and we lost I would fight that losing battle every time for the amount of fun we had doing it.

When we want something, we want something! I noticed right afterwards that you had sent someone to lock the Garri WP, that would have changed the battle had it been done earlier. Next time… next time…

I’d love to see the video, even if you dub out the comms. Will you let me know in a PM if you upload it somewhere?

Good luck with the rest of the week. We’re on the edge of our seats waiting to see who’s gonna pull into second. This is a matchup I’ve enjoyed! Maybe we’ll see you again on Friday night!

Togo got the video up before leaving for the weekend.
I’m sure he would appreciate any feedback you guys might have.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c2F2jLJzzU

Also, thanks SBI and Kaineng for the great matchup. We still have a really high chance of getting rematched, so I’m sure we’ll see you both in the coming weeks.

I’ll probably be hanging around the SBI windmill until reset, so feel free to drop by if you want to practice fighting or talk builds or w/e.

Snowreap.5174:

Estimated probabilities for the next matchup (July 26).

-ken

Thanks for doing this every week Snowreap, I know a lot of people really appreciate it.