. I dun supposed even with brain we can beat Adnul who somehow is able to spam his dumb critique move every 2-3 turns, and when he heals, he heals about 35-40% of his health and when we heal, only 15%. When he drinks omno, he reduces by around 8% HP while we reduces by 20%. Simple mathematics tells you it’s almost impossible to win him. Almost. So I you got lucky, thank your lucky star and keep away, IMHO.
Perfectly balanced? I win the Asura. In the first rd I played, same as for the Sylvari. Charr took around 2-3 rds. Massive took around 5rds. Adnul? I can’t even remember how many rds I’d tried.
how i like this theorycrafter that throw around some numbers and tell me its impossible.
1. Choose this big drink signature (heals around 5k).
2. Only drink omnom is nothing else possible.
3. Count his drinks (he has to wait 3 rounds after he can belch again.)
4. Belch after his belch if possible. Many many times he heals up directly after that.)
Would you prefer confusion if, instead of causing damage, it interrupted your opponent’s next action? Naturally it would need to last longer, not work on anything that clears conditions and have a lower stack maximum. Still, imagine what you could do with a condition that guarantees an interrupt. That would even be useful in pve against bosses and it would really make Halting Strike shine.
Adnul is a big intentional joke. Why intentional? It takes 5 min to fix him (even if it’s a completely new code that u never saw in your life and still had to fix).
Be sure i will never even think of touching this minigame when and if i ever achiev to finish the “vs NPC” part. The way they did this “tutorial phase for a future permanent minigame” has made me hate this will all my heart.
Just a repulsive game…and on top of all this even pay 100g for it (permanent thing) ? Go have fun with that anet. Learn to make your game appealing not irritating. Sry but u did a lousy job. Most of us will hate this so much u will see just a handful of ppl play your minigame past the event.
I don’t know why people complain. you want to beat Adnul? All you have to do is watch his behaviour and play, its not really a problem. Took me about 10 times to figure out how hes playing. I take the greater healing signature move (its almost an fullheal).
its perfectly balanced imho. not to easy, not to hard, and you have to use your brain.
Perhaps is this the reason behind….
Getting myself pwned because of posting my pve build, thats your summary?
I didn’t come up with numbers from another build like you to boost my ego. i didn’t say: your build sucks, i never played it but it sucks. that does simply nothing to the community.
blackwater is the condi example, you’ve found it, congrats. Next step: move on to the direct damage variant!
and for you again:
read carefully. read it again carefully. try it. test it. then come here again and tell me your experience instead of bothering other people with your never tested enlightment about a build you have never used.
its funny how you can’t accept that this works without testing it. do you know now what i mean if i say: you are close minded? guess not
your last 3 posts doing nothing beside attacking my build and playstyle. i tried to explain, why it works and how it works, but you decide to attack further. so who is the troll?
like i said, if you read carefully i mentioned traited torch. I linked my pve variant, so you win (like i said, i’m tired of people like you who can’t accept there are other build that work outside of their mind.)
ps. my build has a discussion here in the forums, there are many more people using this spec. but i guess, they are all trolls because they don’t share your enlightenment.
I do not attack, personally I do not care about you. The build you presented here to everyone does not work and would not work. We cannot know what is inside your head, thank god we cannot. If you get criticized over what you present us because what you present us here is false and misleading then it is only fair. I do not think anyone uses the build you actually linked since it would be a misery.
Furthermore, traited torch and arcane thievery will not save you against a proper condi mesmer, you probably cannot even target me correctly to use arcane thievery effectively to begin with. So, I do not see condi mesmers crying about it anywhere. What server are you on?
so in your eyes is a build only successful, if people are crying? look up for 20/20/30/0/0 builds. there are more than one treads about it: direct damage variants, condi variants and (yes, you get it) hybrid variants. read carefully. read it again carefully. try it. test it. then come here again and tell me your experience instead of bothering other people with your never tested enlightment about a build you have never used.
I’m on elona reach and mostly solo or duo roaming there since release on my mesmer.
your last 3 posts doing nothing beside attacking my build and playstyle. i tried to explain, why it works and how it works, but you decide to attack further. so who is the troll?
like i said, if you read carefully i mentioned traited torch. I linked my pve variant, so you win (like i said, i’m tired of people like you who can’t accept there are other build that work outside of their mind.)
ps. my build has a discussion here in the forums, there are many more people using this spec. but i guess, they are all trolls because they don’t share your enlightenment.
nothing in my build is useless for me, get over it. If you can’t see it, ive to repeat it one more time, just for you: you are simply close minded. oh wait, just to make sure, one more time: you are simply close minded.
you’re right, linked the false traits and accessoires ( i use cavaliers not berserks). in WvW I used traited torch (like mentioned above) and i switch my utilities quite often (recently i fell in love with arcane thievery).
But yeah i add you and we will see how many ticks your 2k conditions dmg bleeds are doing.
ps. really funny how you defend yourself with attacking my build. its a little bit o kitten d e r g a r t e n mixed up with young girls giggeling about a boygroup. Next is arguing against my grammar?
The conditions add up quite nicely with around 10-15 stacks might. the prestige is a 2k aoe hit on top of burning. you don’t need to go phantasm or condi, thats simply close minded. its a fantastic hybrid build and i enjoy it (never had so much fun on my mesmer). Your double dmg from torch gets removed before it even does the dmg my prestige did with the directAOE. Don’t judge if you never played this way.
The signet of domination is another source of interrupt and fits perfectly my playstyle.
i laugh at condition mesmers if they try to kill me. either they die or they run.
No, 2k aoe damage is actually nothing when you could have gone shatter with 7-8k aoe damage every 10 seconds. It was not close minded, it is only reasonable and makes sense.
Direct damage from your torch is a laughable 643 damage.
I got 377 direct damage from the same thing. You must be talking about 273 direct damage difference with crits occasionally kicking in. Still does not justify as I can assume you do not crit at all since you actually think everyone runs with tons of cond removals all the time when thinking about my build.
Furthermore I got signet of domination in my build as well, told you it was funny if you were using it as cond damage source, it is good as stun but I get its juice with more efficiency since cond damage fits good to a cond build instead of crit chance dmg build.
It is not a hybrid build. You obviously gone wrong on the way to building it or were impatient no idea. Did you actually play cond mesmer after the patch? Did you play a shatter/phantasm build or a phantasm build?
Those condition mesmers probably have 800-900 cond damage, calling themselves condis like you call yourself hybrid lol, it actually makes me laugh that you call this build hybrid.
ok, wtf are you talking about, what is your ‘set in stone’ definition for hybrid? for me, its hybrid. and i give a f* what you think.
so show me the 8k shatter with your 20/0/30/0/20 build every 10 secs. Or wait, i’m getting tired of discussions with very close minded mesmers like you, play your spec and pwn some GC-noobs without condi-removal and feel like a god.
Ive played many hours with staff but ended up using the greatsword. the traited torch and PU simply is enough defense.
Technically speaking 66% of the time I land 1600+ damage with 1 staff hit only. Chaos storm interrupts and in a condition build you cannot pass staff.
It has almost no similarity at all btw.
My toughness and condition damage are what a condi build requires while your main attributes are crit chance and damage.
This build seems like it is stuck in between condi build and phantasm build in a really terrible way. Either go with full spec phantasm or condi. Why on earth would you even use torch with a low cond damage like 611 with food buffs? And why would you even choose condition build food type in a build that has crit chance and damage as primary. On scepter+torch skill set I got 2 times the damage on conditions than in your build. That signet of domination is also wasted slot if it is not there for stun only and you put it there for cond damage. Seriously man, I cannot even comprehend why you are doing this to yourself. Go full condi or go phantasm, phantasm/shatter hybrid, whatever else but not this. Cannot believe you found this similar to my build.
The conditions add up quite nicely with around 10-15 stacks might. the prestige is a 2k aoe hit on top of burning. you don’t need to go phantasm or condi, thats simply close minded. its a fantastic hybrid build and i enjoy it (never had so much fun on my mesmer). Your double dmg from torch gets removed before it even does the dmg my prestige did with the directAOE. Don’t judge if you never played this way.
The signet of domination is another source of interrupt and fits perfectly my playstyle.
i laugh at condition mesmers if they try to kill me. either they die or they run.
A GS mesmer is going to easily be taken out by a thief or ele who tunnels for you.
i call that BS. My GS often saves the kill, because i can’t spike enough with my staff. so thief escapes and reengages. Sure, he didn’t kill me, but i can’t kill him with staff too.
It depends from your second weaponset. for me, its easy: one weaponset has to be defensive (for me, its torch & Sc or Sw) and the other offensive (for me GS). At least in wvw.
I was generalizing. If you’re trying to get damage from your staff AA’s instead of your shatters you’re doing it wrong.
yeah I have to admit, with (traited) shattering there is enough spike. But not every build uses shatters ( currently I rarely do, playing with shatters since release has made me bored of it)
i call that BS. My GS often saves the kill, because i can’t spike enough with my staff. so thief escapes and reengages. Sure, he didn’t kill me, but i can’t kill him with staff too.
It depends from your second weaponset. for me, its easy: one weaponset has to be defensive (for me, its torch & Sc or Sw) and the other offensive (for me GS). At least in wvw.
Staff does not have enough spike because you don’t have the juice to back it.
And both of your sets can be both offensive and highly defensive.
looks quite similar to mine, but i prefer the direct damage variant 20/20/30 with interrupts.
Ive played many hours with staff but ended up using the greatsword. the traited torch and PU simply is enough defense. And besides shattering (and even that) there is not much pressure i can do with my staff.
A GS mesmer is going to easily be taken out by a thief or ele who tunnels for you.
i call that BS. My GS often saves the kill, because i can’t spike enough with my staff. so thief escapes and reengages. Sure, he didn’t kill me, but i can’t kill him with staff too.
It depends from your second weaponset. for me, its easy: one weaponset has to be defensive (for me, its torch & Sc or Sw) and the other offensive (for me GS). At least in wvw.
once you get used to it in wvw, it can be very powerful. there are many predictable moves for every profession (can’t count how often i interrupt a thief using shadowrefuge to heal with my GS#5).
with my build, interrupts are really nice. thanks ANet for buffing it up!
thank you its good to hear, and i was experimenting with arcane thievery and this is the slot that always gets changed in WvW portal, feedback, mantra of resolve, mimic, null field, arcane thievery i just cant decide they are all so good, what would you say is the best skill out of them for say a 1v5 situation?
they are all good skills, but depends on your enemys professions and builds.
Personally I don’t use mantras exept i run a full mantra build. Clearly universally usable is portal.
So let me get this straight. Two thieves join together to alternately stealth each other, gang up to “focus” kill you while your 18 other buddies don’t do anything to help you, and you think thieves need to be nerfed as a result? I don’t know whether to laugh or cry at that.
18 players should have been able to chain stun the hell out of those two thieves who had to be right on top of you to kill you. Stealth or not, if you were dying, EVERYBODY had to know pretty much exactly where they were.
These kinds of lame kitten posts are getting pretty old …
so you must be a bad player, are you? in the current state of the game, its really easy with two thiefs to focusburst one down and escape to reengage the next squishy one.
You have to be kidding me. Really? 15 badges + 525karma + 10sup just to be on the same level with one class? Hey, I want some uber abilities for my engi then, that will require people to spend 25 badges just to have a shot at killing me. Like, 2k/sec regen maybe?
On the same level? Really? So when you hit a thief with stealth trap, does he gain your ridiculous access to conditions? Does he gain your access to protection and stability? Does he gain your higher health pool or 1500 range attacks? On the same level, Yeah right, do you even play this game?
Sadly, this is about the same level of usefulness as using focus or air/centaur runes as it limits the number of buildoptions you have.
As mesmers are extremely weak vs conditions and those got heavily buffed in the last patch, non-condi- mesmers more or less have to take -condition-duration-food and condi-mesmers most likely want to take +condition-duration-food since our condi-duration is ridiculously low compared to other classes.
Mesmers weak against conditions?
condi-duration ridiculously low compared to other classes?
wth are you talking about? we get the same 30% condi duration through traits like every other class too.
Its exactly my necros build, exept that i would take 10 Death Magic for greater marks, if you want to use your staff.
I use other utilitys (spektral walk and 2 wells) so I slot focused rituals in curses.
My second weapon set is d/wh.
The dmg is really good, especially if you position yourself for piercing lifeblasts. And yes, its possible to refill your DS during the downtime, at least with daggers.
using PU, Sc/T and Sw/Sw in a powerbuild, and i really enjoy it.
to answer your questions:
3.9 sec of burning will be uprounded (afaik)
Don’t know if its working, but i would never slot this sigil in a powerbuild (and i come up with around 600 CD)
your numbers for the iMage are nearly correct. It hits for 2k crit if the setup is complete (25 vulnerability, pretty easy to archive with my build). my swordsman crits for around 6k.
The iMage Attack bounces and procs retaliation and confusion and can be dodged (like every other phantasmattack)
the damage of the prestige is way higher. the highest seen crit was around 1,9k (AoE)
cleansing conditions remove one condition per torchskill (prestige, iMage)
the blast finisher is sometimes hard to archive, because you have to be in the same field for the entire prestige-duration (4sek.)
I don’t think they made any new ele builds viable in SPVP. Guardians also did not gain a viable build, overall, this patch added a bunch of new PVE builds but almost no PVP ones for most classes(probably almost all?).
What pve builds did they add? Everything outside lightning hammer ele is bad for PvE, so please take your spvp martyr complex somewhere else.
Lightning Hammer ele is only really all that big of a deal for solo pve content, for group pve content including events, staff fields and d/d auramancer support builds are both viable and valuable. Staff got a lot of small boosts to cast times and aftercast that really add up for dps.
What a load of crap. Lightning Hammer’s DPS is unmatched in dungeons.
If you mean to treat DE’s as some sort of serious PvE, knock yourself out with staff. But in dungeons, nothing touches LH. Not even close.
Nobody needs an auramancer in dungeons — you need damage and reflection — that is all. Guardians cover reflection and might, while warriors cover might and banners and they bring an ele for just his LH DPS.
Your utility is redundant and unnecessary in organized PvE.
Min-Maxing DPS for current PVE Content is redundant and unnecessary.
To me, the real issue is a lack of communication with players. Anet says they’re listening but they rarely interact on their own forums except for general bug fixes and personal story help. I’m not suggesting that they respond to every post or even every thread as that would take way too much time away from game development. However, would it hurt to start one thread in every the profession forum and ask, “what’s the one thing everyone wants”?
What I want, particularly for the mesmer forums, is one thread every month where a dev actually talks to us consistently. Let us know where you want the profession to go and let us tell you where we want it to go. Then see if we can meet somewhere in the middle. I know it’s going to take a lot of effort. Any thread of this like will get thousands of replies and hundreds of pages. It will also attract people that would, “show their butt,” simply for the sake of disruptively drawing attention to themselves. However, it will also give us a heads up on upcoming changes.
For example, the drastic nerf to confusion should have been discussed in great length at least 4 to 6 weeks ahead of time. Worst case scenario would have been a dev telling us that it has to happen because the numbers show it’s potentially scaring new players from wvw. Then give us some options on how to fix it, allow us to give alternative suggestions, vote on which solution is best and implement it. Even if the result doesn’t please everyone, we will have had our chance to be heard and be forewarned that a huge nerf is coming. Instead of being suddenly, “punched in the chest,” on patch day like we usually are, we will have the chance to prepare. We won’t waist our time, money, energy and effort on gear for a build that’s neutered the very next day.
That’s what I want. Communication. Don’t just tell us you’re listening, Anet. Show us!
to me, the real issue is the unreadiness of the community to adapt the new changes, to play with the new changes, to try new things out and grow up with the visions of the devs (and I played many MMOs before, so I can say ANet does a good job).
Are all the changes welcome? clearly not. But its by far not the apocalyptic scenario some people want to believe us.
It took me about 10 minutes to theorycraft a couple of builds with traits i never used before. and guess what: its fun. at least for me. I call it variation.
Nope. I have no other lvl 80 job and even if I did all my ascended gear is on my Mesmer. Even if Arale doesn’t agree the changes they made particularly, the iC movement and the Vengful Retaliation nerf have broken the three builds I ran for PvE,PvP and WvW. They seriously took everything from me. I am just going to quit probably.
vengful retaliation broke your three builds? pls do us a favor and quit.
Sorry? It broke two of my builds and they both relied heavily on my Phantasms having constant retal. You don’t think you are being harsh? Also, I will be quitting one FFXIV comes out.
so pls enlighten me, what two (oh really, one post earlier there were three) builds relie heavily on phantasm ret. Do you actually kill your foes with your praised ret.
sry man, this is ridiculous. Go play FF, but i can promise you, you have to adapt there to. Or move on to your next game. Good luck!
Nope. I have no other lvl 80 job and even if I did all my ascended gear is on my Mesmer. Even if Arale doesn’t agree the changes they made particularly, the iC movement and the Vengful Retaliation nerf have broken the three builds I ran for PvE,PvP and WvW. They seriously took everything from me. I am just going to quit probably.
vengful retaliation broke your three builds? pls do us a favor and quit.
also they should change back vengeful images. making a limit of 5(s) on it completely destroyed my favorite build…. Retaliation was my greatest damage dealer and now I cant kill anything – I recently spent ALL of my gold to spec for this build THIS WEEK!! And now its all useless…. Uuuugh so frustrating. Can we like, take a poll or something?? To see who wants things changed back? Or we could go on strike!
the golden question: why on earth did you spend all your gold for one build if you know a big balance patch is coming. let me guess: new to mmos? if not, then…
I may move the 10 points out of “illusionary elasticity” since it’s not utilized by scepter/torch. I haven’t decided. I was using scepter/pistol but the torch prestige is too much fun.
it was working as intended 3 months ago, still working as intended.
it goes by time. If you complete any 3 dungeon paths in under an hour, your rewards is reduced to like 1/3 normal.
false, not working like intended. Sometimes i log on another char and i get the 60 tokens, sometimes not.
I think it has to do with the groupstarter (i remember joining in a farming group and get my tokens reduced.)
@ethics: Its one of the advantages of this build, that you can adapt your preferred weaponset. The build works with nearly everything.
Staff works fine, but very defensive…
@entropy: yesterday evening I give Sc/Sw a try and its great too. the phantasm hits like a truck and has more advantage of the zerker-stats + the 20% CD Reduction trait works fine for the OH. The 2 blocks are really devastating if timed right on top of 2 iSwordsman hitting a 25 Stack vulnerability target (that stacks in a matter of seconds) .
its good to hear, and i was experimenting with arcane thievery and this is the slot that always gets changed in WvW portal, feedback, mantra of resolve, mimic, null field, arcane thievery i just cant decide they are all so good, what would you say is the best skill out of them for say a 1v5 situation?
