Guild Wars 2

But those people thought the karma weapons were supposed to be that cheap…. Give me a break. One guy says he gets 17 exotics, and nobody stops to question? I can understand that some people didn’t know, cause thye saw 1 exotic, or none. But the ones who saw more than 1? Give me a break. Where else in the game do you see exotics drop like that? And to say that it was a make up for the BLC is a joke. Why would they allow everybody to get these weapons that they had to make super rare to paying people? If they were gonna give free exotics to the people they screwed with the chests, it would have been in the MKC. Not an event chest.

WvW has had these problems since day -3. We are 2 months in now, and I haven’t seen anything close to a fix for any of those issues. With the added problems of the halloween patch, and seeing the way they resolve them, it seems like it’s the cheaters who are winning. I’ve lost faith that Anet is willing to make the right decison for their honest players who just want the game to be fun. My server is getting it’s butt kicked this week, and I feel bad that i’m not on the field with them. But what’s the point? So Anet can allow the cheaters to prosper…

I’m not being childish. I’m being realistic. I’m not saving up for skin, i dont’ have the desire to grind out an item. From the sounds of it, lots of people got skins. That’s why the market is fluctuating the way it is. You’re getting awfully defensive for a guy who only got greens, but i digress. Let’s let the cheaters keep the items they got. That way all the people who figured it was gonna be worth it to put the time and effort into getting those same items feel cheated. You know, your long term honest customers. Couple that with the unsatisfied customers from the BLC fiasco, and you have a lot of pissed off, angry customers. And those are probably your best customers. To appease the cheats? Starting to smell like Nexon in here…

Anybody who thinks it wasn’t an exploit is lying to themselves. Why would Anet make up for the chest fiasco by giving everybody an awesome skin? Especially skins that people are still saving up to make, and may be saving for very long time to get? That’s ridiculous, and the biggest cop out ever. A roll back would be very appropriate here i would think.

So, it was ok that a boss could be farmed every 20 minutes for exotics, without anybody thinking it was an exploit? But it wasn’t ok for anybody who spent their money on keys to expect a skin after $50? lol. Anet’s got some real damage control to do over this.

there are still 2 more acts to go

Not mad. Not about this. haven’t logged in since shortly after the even started. I could have done it, was home all day. Don’t care, wouldn’t have done it. Name any other place in the game… any single one that has a chest that drops every 20-30 mins with a chance at exotics. Give me a break. You’re made cause you’re gonna lose a couple greens? Me think that maybe you wouldn’t be so upset over it then.

you didn’t once stop to think “Hey, why is Anet giving out this super sweet stuff on such a short cooldown?” after the fiasco that was the BLC? Ignorance is no excuse. It probably raised questions, but it was easy, and you could get super sweet stuff!! Give me a break. It was a exploit, and you knew it. The minute i saw “Mad King Lab Exotic Farming” thread, i knew it was an exploit, i didn’t even have to read the thread.

This is gonna be great PR for ArenaNet. THe paying customers get ripped off in the BLC, the cheaters get the super sweet items that are gonna take other people months if not years to get, and the regular people are stuck looking at the cheaters awesome stuff knowing they almost had a chance at it too.

I’m currently leveling my third character through WvW. 80 engi and ranger, currently a 66 thief. I’ve actually found that you have to do a little bit of it all in order to be successful leveling.

The hardest thing to do is to go out by yourself while leveling in WvW. Being sub 80 can really hamper your abilities to kill things in a timely manner i.e a guard/dolyak before somebody shows up. I suggest staying away from solo work for now. The zerg can have its advantages, provided they are actually accomplishing something. I’ve seen many times where zerg simply fights another zerg in open combat, while the smaller groups are the ones taking and defending. It ultimately depends on the way a battle unfolds, as to which route will provide you with the best exp.

I tried to find guild groups that were forming up inside the spawn, and i would follow them. Try to tag along, but pay attention to what they’re doing. You don’t want to be the guy that puts the giant orange swords up when they’re tying to ninja a tower. Stick around them long enough, and you just might have found the group you’re looking for. Or, maybe they’ll suck at getting stuff done, and you’ll know they’re probably not your type of group

TigerDragon.4037:

No answer on twitter, facebook, or here. Question fell off the front page again, even though it’s a Yes/No type question. Guessing ArenaNet is ignoring it on purpose at this point. Sad.

I’m guessing your thread go merged into this one. It seems to be the thing to do! What question did you need answered?

oh yeah, costumes! Right, i’ll slap that on and join WvW and…. oh… they’re town clothes… awesome

That’s the idea. It’s a risk at times, but i wouldn’t go so far as to say you sabotaged. That’s why this is a supply based game. Starve them of supplies—>starve them of upgrades

Structural Upgrades: These don’t need the supply in the keep at the time of purchase. The worker will take the supply, 10 at a time, to start the upgrade, and will continue back and forth until there is no supply left in the depot. If the upgrade hasn’t finished, it’s because he hasn’t gone through the 400/800/wathever amount of supply required. The only way to speed it up is to either have the supply beforehand, or keep supply flowing into the tower/keep.

Personnel Upgrades: Require 100% of the supplies to be in the depot at the time of purchase. The upgrade is simply a timer, really.

How about he loss of Golems, any progress on the upgrades currently going (1.5g down the tubes for fortifying your keep) or any of the other things that happen? Ultimately frustrating. At least wait 10 minutes after kicking everybody out to turn the servers back on. At least give people a chance to get back in at the same time, like when the matches start over. Otherwise, there’s the potential for one server to get their “zerg” in faster and start wreaking havoc with little opposition for a small time.

I failed stats and probability. Absolutely horrible at it. But i still understand odds to some degree. If a single item has a single use, and it’s odds are .001%, your odds do not get better. You have another chance to see if you are the .001%. It’s still a .001% chance every time. How does that give better odds?

Ultimately, this is about customer satisfaction, and the emphasis that ArenaNet is willing to place upon it regarding this particular scenario. I guarantee you that this is not what Mike O’brien wanted his company to be viewed as by anybody. Not a single person. That’s the image HE wanted for his company. It’s part of the reasons he left Blizzard to found ArenaNet.

ArenaNet would have to be pretty short sighted to not see the popularity being high for cool looking skins in a game that’s all about cool looking skins? I understand that there’s more to the game, but ultimately the only progression on your character is to customize their look. That’s the only change that really happens to your character at endgame. So they knew the skins would be popular.

I’d also like to add, where i live, if i have to complain about the meal at a restaurant, rarely will there be a cheque to ask for. The best customer service i ever got? At a restaurant for a going away party for a co-worker, my food arrived 5 mins behind everybody else’s. No biggie to me. The MANAGER of the restaurant came over to explain that there would be no bill for my meal, as I wasn’t able to begin eating at the EXACT same time as everybody else. I never complained, nor would I. But I know lots of people who’ve gone there on my recommendation, simply because the service was head and shoulders above.

Cevilo.7862:

shaktiboi.5194:

TheRabbit.9478:

shaktiboi.5194:

TheRabbit.9478:

Gem -> Gold conversion.

Now you can buy any skin you want for gems.

You’re welcome.

Hmmm. At an exchange rate of $20 cash = 1600 gems = roughly 12 gold? No thanks.

Besides, again, the point of the OP was feedback to Anet about how they could make more revenue and create good will instead of bad will.

Ohhh ok. So you people are whining that you want things for cheaper. I could have sworn this was a thread about not being able to use RMT to buy in game things. Oh wait, it is.

Sorry, no. Here: I’ll put it in the simplest terms possible for you:

Anet would have gotten $50 out of me if they’d charged a straight, reasonable price of $10 per skin.

Anet will not see a single cent from me. Especially not to buy gems to convert to gold to pay jacked up AH prices. Because ultimately, the price this way is too high.

So: they could have gotten $50 from me easily. Instead they get $0 from me. I am not alone. Do the math. Are there more people like me who will pay nothing at all if they can’t pay a reasonable price? Or are there enough people who will pay a more exorbitant price SUCH THAT they make up for all the people like me?

My bet is is that the people who will buy enough gems to pay 50+ gold on the AH for items, plus the people who will spend lots of cash for keys for the slot machine, do not in sum total outweigh the people like me.

It’s that simple.

ok that’s you, if you have been looking through the threads over the past few days, there are several people who say they have spent well over 50 on keys, maybe they won’t see a cent from you, but there are a lot of other people who will spend what you would have spent, and more on the keys. if they put it out as a item you can buy, all of the people who spent 100+ would have spent maybe 10, because a lot of them only wanted 1 skin. and chances are, any one who got a costume spent the remainder of the extra gems on keys and possibly bought more just to see if that could get that greatchainsaw skin, for vanity or to try and sell on ah for stupid high prices.

tl;dr: people gambling more than make up for what you and some others won’t spend on keys.

So, you’re saying:

Potential Future Revenue lost vs Potential Future Revenue gained is worth it?

So, you’re suggesting that Anet rely upon the hope that the ones who don’t feel cheated this time will ignore the ones who did, and spend another $50 next time? Maybe this time they feel like they did get their money’s worth, but they also know it was through sheer luck. So, not wanting to push their luck (knowing their odds for disappointment now) may or may not buy keys again? Hmm, apparently Anet likes to gamble to.

That’s the reason companies have PR people. That’s why companies often cater to the whims of the vocal. Sure, some people understand that they got lucky with their $50, but they also know people who were unlucky with $100. So while it was worth it this time, next time might not be. And that keeps people away. Bad reputations can bury you in a market with lots of competition. And MMO’s are a dime a dozen.

If you haven’t bought gems, and aren’t planning on buying gems, why do you get to weigh in on the cash shop items? The whole point of the cash shop is to… gasp make cash! They have keys in the shop, and they need to find a way to keep selling those keys. Single Use items are the their money makes, cause you have to keep coming back to buy them! It’s a question of making those items worthy of coming back to get. The chests were not worth getting beforehand, so they added skins to make them more desirable. Did it work? Yes, this time. Will it work again in the future? Probably not. Did they make a killing this time? Yes. Could they have changed things so that they will continue to make a killing without alienating a generous portion of their customers? yes.

He did get what he was promised. He was told the shoes would probably (probably is another word for chance) work outside.

If i was to go buy a hockey stick, and they sold it to me on the premise that it had a statistical probability (chance) of improving the power in my slapshot, yet i felt it didn’t help at all. Does that make me an idiot? Does that give another customer in the store the right to call me an idiot? No, it gives me the right to voice my displeasure at the purchase i made. And that’s how hockey sticks are sold. And yes, I would get a refund provided the stick was intact.

I’m not even gonna argue about the advertising, cause that’s what you’re trying to make it. I’m arguing a customer’s right to complain without being hassled for it. Just like the people who opened those chests, you have a choice. Read the feedback, or don’t. Posting anything about a person’s intelligence is not needed, wanted, or necessary in any fashion. All it does is make you feel better about yourself. And that, my friend, is what bullies do. They go after people they perceive a flaw in to make themselves feel better.

I don’t believe you have the right to call anybody an idiot, anywhere. We all do it from time to time, but that doesn’t make it right.

Fact is, enough people have complained that they feel they didn’t get what they paid for.

It’s not up to us to judge that. Let’s try this:

You’re in a shoes store, looking at shoes. A guy comes in to talk to the manager regarding a problem with his shoes. The guy says “Hey, these shoes i bought really suck outside. The guy who sold them to me told me they’d probably be good for that. And thinking that he was a shoes salesman, i trusted him.”

Would you look at that guy and say “Hey man! He said they’d probably be good for that. PROBABLY, dude! You’re stupid.” I’m gonna say no. Because, like most people willing to throw insults out over the internet, you most likely don’t have the cojones to say it in real life. (my bad, i made an assumption)

Most shoe stores won’t sell you a shoe on the promise of “probably”. But, sometimes, when you go to buy stuff, the person selling it to you isn’t the best person to be selling it. They don’t know how to market it properly, they don’t know the designs behind it, what it’s meant for etc.. And if the guy bought it on good faith that it’s a reputable store, was it his fault for trusting? Yeah. Is that guy gonna go back to that store? No. Is the store manager gonna do his best to ensure that customer walks out happy? Yeah. Is the manager gonna listen to you instead of that customer? Not if he’s good at his job.

It’s not my right to call anybody anything. I still call people names all the time. But it’s not up to me to decide if they got what they paid for. It’s up to the company, and they have to hear back from those customers first. So before you go making a decision for Anet, let them hear the feedback.

Dinks.2478:

buzzkapow.8465:

Basic Business Practices:

People who spent money have the loudest voice in this. They spent the money. Business’ rely on repeat business to generate income. Therefore, people who have bought that product have the loudest say. Period. It’s how business works.

Stop telling those people that complaining isn’t right. That’s how things get fixed. Period. If nobody complained, they would think all was right with the world. Which it quite obviously isn’t.

Nothing is broken… I spent $100 this event. I threw maybe $15 into keys. Because that is what I limited myself on a gamble. I didn’t get anything. I tried my second chances with the mad king chests. I got nothing. Moving on, I bought my costumes and some random other stuff.

I’m not going to cry or feel pity for people that are. Nobody told them to gamble hundreds of dollars. It was described as a “chance” to get limited time skins. They chose to throw hundreds of dollars at a “chance”. Every day people play the lottery. People don’t always win, and when they do its only a tiny percentage of people who do. Would we be defending those people if they came out and formed a giant lynch mob because they didn’t win the lottery even though they’ve thrown hundreds of dollars into it?

You bought gems, you bought keys. Your feedback is exactly what ArenaNet wants. In this case “I thought it was very reasonable” and be done. There’s no reason to take it further than that.

Once again, this isn’t a lottery. It’s a game, with chance items. Big difference. Some folks put money into that chance system (doesn’t matter how much, cause that’s their choice). Those people are entitled to their feelings on the matter, regardless of whether you or I think they’re right. They have the right to give their feedback to ArenaNet. They have the right to show displeasure, regardless of whether you think it’s childish/foolish/stupid or not.

I am defending a consumer’s right to give feedback without feeling Vilified for it. The fact that the forums are the way to send ArenaNet feedback shouldn’t result in anybody complaining about a service being bullied over the internet. I wouldn’t allow it in my store, I wouldn’t allow it in my restaurant, and i wouldn’t allow it in my game.

they can’t put the skins on the TP, and have them in a lotto box that can be opened by anybody. By attaching Real World pricing to an item, it becomes a “contest” you can “win”, which would require them to post odds. Much like McDonalds or Tim Horton’s have to. You buy something from them, with a chance at an additional prize. Not all prizes are money, just something the company already has plenty of (i.e. big macs, large coffees, etc.). That’s the line they can’t cross.

Basic Business Practices:

People who spent money have the loudest voice in this. They spent the money. Business’ rely on repeat business to generate income. Therefore, people who have bought that product have the loudest say. Period. It’s how business works.

Stop telling those people that complaining isn’t right. That’s how things get fixed. Period. If nobody complained, they would think all was right with the world. Which it quite obviously isn’t.

Maxxian.3980:

Khanswrath.1032 – I never played GW1 so thank you for the information.

The only question I have in response is this…

Why does it matter if everyone else has <insert item here> if YOU enjoy it?

I just never understood the mentality of “I have it therefore to feel like a special snowflake you can’t have it.”

Guess it’s just a matter of preference and feeling unique.

P.S. I am not being condescending when I say “special snowflake”. I am just stating what I read whenever I see “If everyone else has then its not special.”

But… they’re “entitled” to feel like special snowflakes and have stuff other people don’t. It’s not fair that Anet would allow people to pay a reasonable price for an item they want, cause then it ruins that item for other people. And those other people are “entitled” to feel that way…

Does that sound familiar? That’s what all of us who spent $$ on gems heard, even though that wasn’t the point we were trying to make.

@Maxxian Post wasn’t directed at you. I thought your post was good. I was just using it to illustrate what the other side of the coin looks like.

I used to play a game, third person shooter on the ps2, that had the feature to dance overtop of a corpse. I personally think it’s funny, and it’s all in good fun. I /laugh or /dance in some situations, others i just walk away looking for the next fight.

The arguments seem to boil down to this. People feel cheated for the amount they spent, because we assumed it would be a better chance, and expected Anet to treat us as more than just an open wallet.

Then, the “white knights” (not sure how to phrase this, but not meant to be insulting) assume we wanted to simply sell them, they assume we all have gambling addiction, and they assume we have no self control. They assume we’re trying to tear their game to pieces. They assume we’re threatening legal action.

See how many assumptions and expectations there were? Ok, so let’s assume what they say happens when you assume is true. We’re all donkeys/mules at this point.

Lessons were learned. Feelings were hurt. People will support the game. People will not support the game. The sun will come up tomorrow. And the day after that. Oh blah dee, oh blah dah! Life goes on!! OH, Life goes on!!

I’m not sure that IoJ even had more than 1 orb all week, and mostly no orbs. We still did pretty good, considering i would think. I’m not entirely convinced the orbs are as gamebreaking as i used to think. But, it would be interesting to see them tweaked and what the results would be.

VOLKON.1290:

buzzkapow.8465:

I love how the minute JQ starts losing, they accuse IoJ of being lapdogs, and that we’re 2v1 against them.

NEWS FLASH!!

It’s a 3 way fight. there will always seem like a 2v1 going on, as has been stated since the beginning of WvW. not this week. the beginning of wvw. It’s also been said that to accuse servers of 2v1 is poor sportsmanship, that shows you are a sore loser. Suck it up, you lost. It was a great week of battles, and if that’s not good enough for you, if you HAVE to win, go play a different game. This one is obviously not for you.

JG to all 3 servers this week! Very proud of IoJ for standing up to the “big dogs” and showing them we belong in t1. JQ and SBI, you guys are fantastic opponents and i look forward to seeing you on the battlefield again, should i ever decide to log in again.

IoJ guy I take it? Wow, they really have you thinking you did well by riding their coattails? You all have missed so many opportunities for points that you could have made a real fight for second. It’s staggering that you’d settle for so little when you could have done so much better. Well, one last day to show that you haven’t been fully de-fanged… get out there and fight! Surely you can do better than hiding in one corner of the map spawn camping if you really belong in T1.

Can’t you?

First, we don’t ride coattails. Never have, never will. We fought all weekend, right up until the halloween event started. If you go back and look, that’s where the larger score discrepancy started.

Second, while we may have “missed an opportunity for points”, but then again, all 3 servers have throughout the week. SBI and JQ attacking Hills at the same time, not once, but 3 times within an hour or two. Same time. SBI could have been.. attacking JQ while their whole zerg was attacking us, but they didn’t. Same could be said for JQ.

Sportsmanship. It’s missing these days. Competition has stopped being about competition, and it’s about winning. kitten talking your opponent when you win, and giving excuses when you lose. Sportsmanship. It’s what makes you a better competitor.

I love how the minute JQ starts losing, they accuse IoJ of being lapdogs, and that we’re 2v1 against them.

NEWS FLASH!!

It’s a 3 way fight. there will always seem like a 2v1 going on, as has been stated since the beginning of WvW. not this week. the beginning of wvw. It’s also been said that to accuse servers of 2v1 is poor sportsmanship, that shows you are a sore loser. Suck it up, you lost. It was a great week of battles, and if that’s not good enough for you, if you HAVE to win, go play a different game. This one is obviously not for you.

JG to all 3 servers this week! Very proud of IoJ for standing up to the “big dogs” and showing them we belong in t1. JQ and SBI, you guys are fantastic opponents and i look forward to seeing you on the battlefield again, should i ever decide to log in again.

On IoJ-

Cake is Also Cake, nomnomnomnom, Aneu, Alejos

BBB’s basic principle of Advertising:

3. An advertisement as a whole may be misleading although every sentence separately considered is literally true. Misrepresentation may result not only from direct statements but by omitting or obscuring a material fact.

But, those tonics are totally worth the key… Or so we’re told

nldixon.8514:

buzzkapow.8465:

Did you just call people dumb for trusting a company to not mislead them? This coming from the guy that can’t tell the difference between their and there?

Ha! I actually laughed out loud at your post. You think companies are honest.

Actually, no. I never once said Companies are honest. But most companies at least try to keep their customers happy. That’s why the saying “the customer is always right” is even around. Even though it’s wrong most of the time. But trusting a company doesn’t mean they are honest. It means that they have acted in good faith in the past, and you expect that trend to continue.

Did you just call people dumb for trusting a company to not mislead them? This coming from the guy that can’t tell the difference between their and there?

Because the Mad King’s Chests were created to appease the demands of those who felt cheated by anet, for buying the keys for the halloween event. The chests opened during the halloween event only drop Mystery Tonics, not named tonics. Hence, why you can’t use named tonics in the recipe. And even if you could, you’d still end up with a bunch of seperately named tonics, thereby running into the same problem.

If you want to make money, make something that people can only use once!

Smart Business philosophy. Ask Mr. Gilette (if he was still alive). The secret to this, is to make it cheap to produce, and sell at a price your consumers think is fair.

ArenaNet took the first part, and did it well. Lots of 1 times use items. These will be the bankable items. The ones they are counting on people buying to keep the income flowing. Unfortunately, i don’t believe any of the single use items within the BLTC really reflect their value. I could be wrong, but i’m guessing that’s the case. Key sales were most likely down, and being one of the more prevalent single use items (they try to get you hooked, with free chest drops and the occasional key), they needed a way to boost those sales.

So they put in the extra super rare skins, made a nice pretty picture with them for the advertisement, and Bam! Good way to sell keys!! And it probably worked. They probably sold a ton of keys. But almost immediately following this, they ran into problems. And those problems are gonna be compounded in the future now.

The trust in Anet has been diminished. That’s plain to see. Maybe not for all players, but for at least a portion of them. And that’s always just bad for business. Not all publicity is good publicity, regardless. And nobody is gonna buy keys now. They know the chances of getting something in those chests is going to remain low, so why buy keys? If nobody is buying keys, why have them in the cash shop? Without them in the cash shop, that’s another bankable income down the tubes.

Is there a chance they can change it for the next event? Sure. But people are still going to be worried about what issues will arise that time. Resulting in less keys purchased. As the single use items stop selling, the price on the other items and/or gems will increase to reflect the lost income. And already, people are talking about not buying single use items, so it’s already started.

It’s unfortunate. The game itself is good. I would say great, but there are other issues that don’t pertain to halloween, so i’ll keep them out of this thread. I really enjoyed the game. I have 3 (almost) level 80’s. I truly was enjoying myself, and more than willing to give them time to fix those other issues. Even went so far as to support them in their endeavours with more of my money.

Of course, i find myself no longer enjoying the game, or even having a desire to log on. My faith in the company has diminished greatly. I no longer have faith that the other problems i have with the game will be fixed. It’s 2 months in, and they haven’t fixed any of them yet. Haven’t even really said they were going to, even though they’ve acknowledged the problem. So, if i can’t trust them to even advertise the halloween skins properly ( a chance does not mean lottery style odds), how can i trust them to fix the rest of the game?!

well, now i know what it’s like to be blame for being a victim. We should have known that Anet was going to put low drop rates, and it’s our fault for trusting them. It’s our fault that Anet suddenly decided to change the way they do business. Fools, all of us!

Lesson Learned! Never Trust Anybody!

Seriously? This is the lesson people want us to learn? Sad state of society, that is. People want to complain about the “gimme, gimme generation”…

Another Interview with Mike O’brien on microtransactions:

http://venturebeat.com/2012/05/21/guild-wars-2-interview-monetization/#s:guildwars2-16

Quotes that i believe are relevant to this discussion:

O’Brien: Creating a microtransaction system that doesn’t upset or alienate your player base is straightforward once you clearly define what’s in-bounds and what’s out-of-bounds. Now that thousands of players have had a chance to play the beta and comment, I think they understand that we’re doing what’s right to create a healthy, well-supported MMO without taking advantage of our customers.

O’Brien: I wrote a blog post to our fans about this very subject because I think it’s important that we’re open and honest about microtransactions with our players.

The reason i chose those 2 highlights the problem with the chests. They did alienate and upset their customers, and they weren’t open and honest. Yes, they said chance. Honest. They didn’t say anything else about rarity. Not open. Without taking advantage of their customer? C’mon. Seriously? Even the people defending Anet have to agree that they took advantage of their customer on this.

Once again, in that article, i didn’t see him mention TF2. And from the sounds of it, TF2 still did a better job of giving incentive to continue buying. There were “consolation prizes”. The chests were poorly implemented. Everybody seems to agree on that.

There’s whole thing is a huge mess, in all honesty. I’ve spent 2 days mulling the whole thing, trying to see it from everybody’s point of view. And that’s the hard part. There are a lot of points of view. In the end, i don’t envy anybody in this situation, cause it’s basically a lose-lose situation.

Everybody is saying “Don’t buy gems with real money. Buy them with gold”. But if everybody did that, there would be no gems to buy. Double Edged sword. The way they’ve intertwined their economy of Real $$ and in game Gold makes the whole thing a giant balancing act.

I’m all for supporting Anet in their endeavours. I bought the game, i get the same content as everybody else. I put money into the game, I get the same as everybody else. Not everybody else put extra money in the game, but they still get the same as everybody else. That’s fine. But.. don’t you think that the people who put the money into the game, to get a skin they wanted, should be able to get that skin they’d like at a reasonable price? Without those players putting in their very real $$$, all the players buying gems with only gold are gonna be real disappointed. No gems to buy, new content coming slower and slower.

It just seems to me that the whole thing wasn’t planned out very well, when measured up against the only standard the company cares about. Itself.

Posted in another thread:

Arena.Net has clearly stated that they are not “those other guys”. Yet, most “white knights” are constantly comparing them to: WoW, TF2, LoN, etc. The very companies that Arena.Net claims to be different from. If the shoes fits….
Reading Mike O’brien’s blog on Arena.Net’s microtransaction philosophy, nowhere does it state any of those games. The only game it mentions is Eve Online’s cash shop, and how they would most liken themselves to it. Yet nobody in their arguments has mentioned that game at all.
Take it for what it’s worth, just some food for thought.
IMO, the image that Arena.Net built up through GW1, and continued to build upon leading up to now has taken a hit due to this. Simply for the reasons stated above. The community is now comparing them to “those other guys”. THe exact opposite of what Arena.Net wants. They have simply become another MMO. A high-quality, AAA MMO, but then… So were “those other guys.”
I’m out
http://www.arena.net/blog/mike-obrien-on-microtransactions-in-guild-wars-2

Arena.Net has clearly stated that they are not “those other guys”. Yet, most “white knights” are constantly comparing them to: WoW, TF2, LoN, etc. The very companies that Arena.Net claims to be different from. If the shoes fits….

Reading Mike O’brien’s blog on Arena.Net’s microtransaction philosophy, nowhere does it state any of those games. The only game it mentions is Eve Online’s cash shop, and how they would most liken themselves to it. Yet nobody in their arguments has mentioned that game at all.

Take it for what it’s worth, just some food for thought.

IMO, the image that Arena.Net built up through GW1, and continued to build upon leading up to now has taken a hit due to this. Simply for the reasons stated above. The community is now comparing them to “those other guys”. THe exact opposite of what Arena.Net wants. They have simply become another MMO. A high-quality, AAA MMO, but then… So were “those other guys.”

I’m out

http://www.arena.net/blog/mike-obrien-on-microtransactions-in-guild-wars-2

Lucas Ashrock.8675:

Bloodthirsty.9604:

the real question is, how can they restore our faith in them?

Faith? What faith?
If you learned something from this event and Anet attitude, next event (Christmas etc) you will use JUST what you dropped (keys, gems bough just with ingame gold) and keep your credit card inside your pocket and the childish desire of stupid things (noone around of you care of your halloween weapon/armor no more than a couple minutes) under control, and get what you can. What you didn’t got, amen. After all, are you truly planning to use halloween armor skin or halloween themed weapons during christmas?
Enjoy your childish pleasure, i’ll go around with a Santa’s sword, using inworld currency farming a DE

You do understand that Anet really, really has to restore our faith in them? We are the paying customers, the ones who will continue to support the game beyond the initial purchase. Without faith in Anet, no one is gonna spend money. Which is a problem for all the players? Why is it so hard to see that?

unfortunately, for some, no amount of candy will rid their mouths of the bad taste left behind.

rwm.1453:

I just got my good laugh of the day reading your post about needing a good laugh.
Evidently you missed 20 pages

And i got my good laugh off your post! Thanks!

Sebbern.3894:

I find this topic really, really sad. The fact that people thought that they were getting items for free is beyond me. The Black Lion Chests doesn’t guarantee you a certan item just because you can get it. It is like a lottery, not a store. It is your fault for using your money on it, not Arenanet’s.

If we’re using Real Money, how are we expecting something for free? Doesn’t “Free” imply no cost? Facts remain that many of us who spent that real money feel that ArenaNet misled us leading up to the event in an attempt to get us to buy keys. Keys that nobody buys because the items you get are useless and not worth a penny, let alone $1.25. And to not even throw in anything halloween related? When you specifically mention black lion chests having halloween items in them? Give me a break. A lottery is something that is sanctioned and regulated heavily. Buying items in an in-game cash shop isn’t, so comparing how they do business isn’t relevant.

I assumed, based on the information given by Anet in their advertisement for the event, that the BLC would contain halloween loot, with a chance at weapon skins. Nowhere did they mention that the only items added to the chests were skins, and that your chances to actually find one were zero to nil. That’s shady business for a company that prides itself from being so different from their competition. At least the competition spit before they gave it to ya.

If you put $20+ into a games cash shop, and walk away with nothing of use to you, there is a problem with the way the game is setup. That is the kind of business that drives customers away. You can try to defend Anet, but the facts remain. They deceived and misled their consumers during the build up to the event so they could profit. They didn’t even go so far as to give halloween themed items in the chests. I saved all my gems for this event, because i don’t want to open chests without added incentive. The items that drop from them are terrible, and most certainly not worth the amount of $$ they command from Anet. Throw in some holiday themed items, and it begins to look like a good deal. Until you realize they threw in holiday items that were so rare, people are comparing finding them to winning the lottery. In a video game! GG Anet! You made the first MMO lottery! Can’t wait to see how that kind of business model works out.

It’s not the we didn’t get the skin. It’s that we don’t feel we were fairly compensated for the amount of money we invested. And we invested it in Anet, figuring we wouldn’t get shafted. Then we got shafted. The people who bought keys for this event are the ones most likely to continuously feed their money to Anet during big events like this. Unfortunately, the chances of that have most likely diminshed greatly, because of the way Anet handled their advertising leading up to the event.

Melfice.9251:

Peter.8047:

Is this the ONLY way to get the skins?

The skins that come out of the black lion chest are unique to black lion chest. They only come from black lion chest. However, they are not bound until used so they can be sold and bought on the TP. Like I suggest in my original post, if you really want the skin, the best way to to exchange gems for gold and buy it off of the TP.

Go look at how many gems you’d have to exchange just to buy 1 skin.

I’ll give you a hint. It’s ridiculous. This whole thing was setup as a giant cash grab, and i unfortunately fell victim to it. Oh well, I learned my lesson. No more money for Anet.

What you interpret as whining, others will see as feedback. That’s what forums are for. If you don’t like what people are saying, move on. Don’t bother posting anything. Just because you don’t like the “tone of their print” doesn’t mean your opinion is needed or wanted, just like “whining” is not wanted or needed by you.

Before all this happened, yes i would have purchased skins straight from the BLTC. After having bought the keys last night…. not so much. Probably never gonna spend another dime. I’ll take my monthly allowance of gem money and put it towards a different game now.