Nice video of spawn rushing map zergs. It’s become common place for a map to fill up to want to kill us. But posting a video and chest thumping over it? Oh also, nice screenshot to prove my point.
The green dots of your video show the real story of numbers. Again thank you for the fun fights.
I don’t care about the rivalry or whatever going on here, but since we are talking about numbers… I watched it again just to make sure I didn’t miss something. I possibly only missed some stuff in the last fight which had about 15 extra people join the fight, to start with however, there was maybe 30 (too blurry to count).
He says there were even numbers, you guys say JQ had a map zerg. So here…
It isn’t map zerg
edit: oops I forgot to change the last one to “pt4,” owell. Imagine I didn’t kitten that up.
Wouldn’t be surprising as Intotheblue was spreading false information in BG LA (spamming map chat), recruiting for SoR/OCX and saying that MERC was going to TC. SoR seems pretty good at spreading false data.
I wonder why SoR is taking the game so seriously? I thought we were over that after you guys tried to destroy JQ.
we as IRON wanna gvg HB. But HB dont wanna instead they go to forums to say they are outnummberd. kinda weird. (btw smokey you should practice your maths sometimes your 15-18 ppl look kinda big)
Smokee replied to somebody talking about them, he is also the only HB that posts on these forums afaik. Also HB is almost impossible to follow as a pug so them having 15-18 sounds accurate.
I’m curious why people from SoR keep bring up a 2v1 on them…theres a lot of mixed messages. Seems like some of you say you don’t care about PPT and are only here for the fights yet the others seem so upset (for the lack of a better word) over this 2v1 situation. If you don’t care about PPT or winning the match, then why is the 2v1 even a issue? Wouldn’t that be what you want, more fights to be had as you have 2 servers to fight rather than double teaming 1?
Don’t try to push a fast one on this board. The servers aren’t able to hold a billion players. Now the million that BG routinely fields during SEA, that’s more realistic.
Using the official WvW counting system, you definitely have a billion.
The thing that confuses me the most during NA. Other than their own border BG only pushes in JQ BL. I do not recall us taking your garrison and waypointing it. Haven’t really made sense of those tactics. Is BG afraid to push in SoR BL?
That JQ guy yesterday said it best. SoR has T3 and a billion people hiding inside it. You guys don’t.
edit: by that I mean you’ll most likely see BG progress on your map, but even if we have guys on SoR we may not see it unless there’s coordinated (in the loosest sense) pushes from both servers (thanks to most things being T3).
It’s not hard to understand why we are pushing BG. Their stuff is paper everything SoR has is tier 3 and has a bajillion people hiding in it.
Haha, aint that the truth. Yesterday I saw JQ hitting SoR’s spawn tower on BG (NA time), but you guys pulled SoR’s gigantic zerg back down to you. I was rooting for you, but definitely knew how you felt seeing their numbers.
IRON, I understand you want fights, but even you have to recognize nobody is going to fight your 40-50+ man zerg with 15-20 people. I hope you understand.
edit: well, except HB and RK but they aren’t here.
IRON, I understand you want fights, but even you have to recognize nobody is going to fight your 40-50+ man zerg with 15-20 people. I hope you understand.
edit: well, except HB and RK but they aren’t here.
I would love to read/listen to BG’s chat when they realize TW will be on their map.
It sounds like silence because nobody cares, the only guild that you ever hear specifically get mentioned is FEAR. Everyone knows why, don’t think I have to mention it. Otherwise its “SoR.”
A video from last week. TW’s 80 man blobs vs severely outnumbered BG. I usually don’t post video to boost our own ego, but I hope BT realizes how stupid some of their comments have been after this.
Sorry, but where is BT in that video? It’s 20m long and I’m not going to sit here and watch all of that.
GSCH – Nice strategy, Magikarp leading 10 pugs vs your 30, teleport to spawn every time you see us…
??? having to leopard form and static field you each time getting old
Any plans to start training your NA crew Magi?
Why? BG during PST NA prime today was 350 ppt, why do they need training?
I think the better question is why you’d have Karps train anyone. I mean, the veteran npcs could teach how to not die 10 times better than Karps could and they dont rage log after a wipe.
You really don’t know me do you? lol.
To add to this as somebody who isn’t merc or magikarp: I’ve never seen Magikarp rage log. Every time I’ve followed his blue dorito he was vastly out numbered trying to hold the map together. Ex: He used to play late SEA/early EU on SoS. He would command all 10 guys (literally, people complain about EU coverage now…) we had on the map to defend our things.
Ability to 1v1 is not only gear/spec dependent itself, but the class involved can make it vastly more do. For instance, if I catch a staff ele out in the open when I have my roaming gear on….. free points. They can’t run and they cant hurt me… and there is nothing they can do about it no matter how good of a player they are. (well unless they get help or have somewhere real close to run)
I don’t know how it is these days, since I don’t play enough (like 2hrs a week max), but when I played all day every day… staff ele usually meant the tankiest guy on the map. There was a staff ele in my guild (Papaj) who was quite literally unkillable in a 1v1. There was no amount of cooldowns a single person could pop that could kill him. When we were on SoS he got nicknamed “The Immortal” or something cheesy like that. He didn’t kill very many people, but he sure did kite around everyone who thought he was an easy kill, while throwing out heals at the same time for the rest of us.
The only time I ever remember him being instadowned was when the old BG→JQ guild “Hands Off My Octopus” used to run around with like 5 glass cannon warriors and would focus him.
Just for the record, SoR was split in 3 groups. Made a heck of a difference, staying out of the keeps eh?
I hope you guys can make that work, would love to see the meta change back to last year. AoI used to run 3 groups (paired up depending on turnout) OnS, Work, ATac, and then DR/VI havoc. When SoS first came to T1 we saw a lot of success, imo, but then the meta slowly changed to the 80%/20% zerg split. As long as the omnizerg could respond fast enough (which it usually could especially if you’re on your home map), then we got destroyed.
Used to be a lot of fun parking 40% of our forces on each side of the map to defend/attack, and then having the other 20% capping/defending camps and causing havoc. Hearing about that DB group last week got me a little excited, especially since AoI came from DB originally, feels good.
Who’s complaining?
Mostly your side, win or lose from what I can tell. Can’t please some people.
I just want a challenging fight personally. And besides a few rare moments there haven’t been many lately.
Basically, I don’t wanna siege your miserable t3 keep while a whole BL worth of baddies shoots me with arrow carts and lags the fight out. It’s a chore, not a challenge. You wanna turtle with even numbers and rub one out to the scoreboard? Do so, I’ll be out here looking for some good open field.
And I agree about that SoS vs. SoR away back in when. Shame you guys bloated up so much with transfers, eh? Act like it’s our fault this happened, smh
I have no clue how you have missed every backhanded comment about “SoR being stacked,” targeted at BG.
“Challenging fight”: This is such a subjective term that it seems you just want people to please you under your own made up rules.
Also pretty sure you guys lost SEA guilds after that match, don’t blame SoS for your own problems. Besides, SoS recruited, I believe only 2-3 guilds, during NA time before they hit T1 and then they only got, what… 2 more?, till free transfers hit when they got VoTF and ND. SoS was not nearly as stacked as the JQ propaganda made it out to be, there was a lot of overtime being pulled on that server. I know because I was pulling it.
Laylyn, you guys are waaaaay to obsessed with that silly number.
Even on the weeks SoR wins, its just not that big a deal over here.
As far as recruiting…… Are we really trying to pack more people onto these two servers?? I mean, enough already. Skill lag blows, and so does endlessly sieging keeps for that matter. Mostly because of the skill lag :/
So we’re not doing much sieging this week, chill out.
The point is: Don’t complain about coverage unless you’re actually trying. This whole SoR pitty party that keeps getting played out week after week is old and tired. The only time you guys admit to “trying” is when you win. Oh SoR lost this week? We weren’t trying anyway. It’s a slap in the face to anybody who is trying to win/has tried to win in the past. Edit: This includes people on your own server, like that guy who didn’t know about this “training week.”
I liked the old SoR much more. That SoS vs SoR match in T3 was one of my favorite and most stressful matches at the same time and I loved every bit of it. Both sides came back for more every time. Now we’ve got a server who’s either too scared to try and fail or too scared to admit they tried in the first place.
What exception son? Careful with them bigwerds. My argument is one of statistical certainty. That being, the population of BG is surely as dispersed across the continent as that of SoR.
Did you look up population density?
Quite a few cities fit into neither; Dallas, Nashville, Chicago, Phoenix, Milwaukee, Memphis, St. Louis.. Just to name a few!
How the heck did all these people fall through your argument? Better than that, how can you argue with a straight face (maybe you’re not, now that I think of it. lul) that somehow, 80% of the western hemisphere’s population areas decided to not play on Blackgate?
In MY guild, only 1 of 10 commanders live in EST. Yet somehow, we manage to form up and play then.. Even if there’s just 2 of us, we’re out there. Heck, Pryan works second shift and plays solo as often as not. Maybe thats the difference here. Is everybody hiding in PvE till there’s a large group to hide behind? Is Militia a dirty word on Blackgate?
So exceptions are now the norm? Exceptions are the entire base of the original argument, and now you’re trying to use them to your advantage while trying to say they didn’t exist before.
You also assume that BG has no EST/EDT based guilds, when on this same page there is a guild being named.
So continue to show everyone how little you know about timezones and population.
Also talk to TSym, maybe they will open your eyes to the existence of EST based guilds. Do they still identify themselves as such? I don’t know I don’t follow them. They certainly were on SoS, however.
There is no such thing as an EST guild or server, such a claim flies in the face of the law of averages.
7est is the beginning of NA time for us working stiffs. Get out of work at 5, drive home, make/eat dinner, make house somewhat presentable… 7 ‘Oclock.
TW starts formation time later than this, since our pacific guys and midwesterners like me also need to settle in for the evening. But it’s no different from any other guild in the game. If there IS a difference, it’s what people do before and after primetime..
Presuming the challenges inherent in living on a globe isn’t universal is silly.
You keep talking about the law of averages as if it helps your argument. Try looking up population density. If the US was perfectly spread apart in population, maybe the law of averages would mean something here. Also I figured you weren’t from the east coast, because nobody from the east coast would ever make such a statement. Especially when they have friends on the west coast. When I go to bed is when my friends log on, but yeah… sure, there’s no difference.
“If there IS a difference, it’s what people do before and after primetime.. "
…and then you say there is. Funny how that works. A guild that identifies itself as EST/EDT can start much earlier than a guild with a more universal US start time. Who woulda thunk it.
Again, you should really break down your server and figure out why this is even a conversation. Even with just your BRs you gain a huge advantage in EST/EDT, not even counting whichever guilds can start at 6-7pm. Try talking to TSym, I know you didn’t.
SoR have the advantage during Euro and East coast NA
I think West coast is about the same but im not 100% as i do not play during those times
This is a fiction/excuse generated by BGna players
I know not everyone is familiar with American population demographics, but we are not concentrated on the coastlines, nor is there any significant cultural division between. Out of 5 significant timezones (udt-3 to udt-8) the only one with modest representation is mountain time (udt-7) which is largely unpopulated.
The concept of any english language NA guild being largely east or west coast is ludicrous, much less a whole server population. ALL of these guilds are comprised of -5edt, -6cdt, and -8pdt with a few -7mdt players. If there is any advantage for SoR it would be LUN and UL, our 2 Portugese (Brazil is udt-3, one whole hour earlier) language guilds which together represent half a BL. But overall every server will progressively get stronger during NA until the EDT players start to go to bed.
The whole “we’re stronger in PDT” thing is a gloss-over of that overbearing Oceanic presence starting to log on.
TL;DR: BGna needs to stop hiding behind walls, AC’s, excuses and other timezones and come fight us. Ragelogging after a single wipe will only steepen the learning curve.
Check your privilege. Maybe you should ask TSym what it was like on SoS when they were the only EST guild (we also had 1 BR guild). I’m sure they’ll let you know what it was like to not actually have coverage in that timezone.
I specifically remember shouting in LA almost every day to get people in WvW till around 7-7:30pm EST. When kurthos wasn’t doing it. Even then we’d still go an hour or so till we got anybody in the 3rd BL.
So? You do realize that is FEAR’s forum. A GUILD forum. Find me one guild forum that doesn’t have the exact same propaganda/chest thumping. I find it rather hilarious that you find it necessary to spy on a guild in any way you can. You really are a person with no ethics or morality, aren’t you?
So if I get this right, you guys had all your guys log in because one guild said they were going to play Sunday morning?
Didn’t realize FEAR was so feared.
Way to live up to your name.
Even with FEAR, I think SoR had 2.5 BLs worth of people out. And BG had 4 BLs still queued.
I see how you’re spinning it, but I believe the motive is completely wrong. It’s more that people logged in because they were called out and wanted to show, for example FEAR, why that statement is wrong. I don’t know how many people we had, since I went to sleep at 4am this morning (maybe we queued 4 maps, maybe we didn’t), but I’m sure everyone wanted a piece of SoR today.
I despise TW style gloating, but you have to forgive BG this one time. They were specifically called out before your all-call* this morning, as being bad. It’s all in reaction to this and I’m sure some of you understand, given how competitive you are.
*yes, that was an all-call for FEAR. The post in question specifically says it is mandatory if you’re online.
and about RATS its a fake transfered guild it has been formed in JQ to make some kind of misinformation to try to get some transfers ^^. We will keep spying JQ.
kitten ed if I know. I don’t recognize him. Probably a spy… but from what server?
He’s been on JQ awhile, at least, I remember him posting back when SoS was on top. I don’t know if he has any sense though. It’s people like him that destroy servers, not people like Waha. Instead of just leaving a server he’d rather tell everyone why he’s leaving and that they should come with him, and not stand for whatever it is he doesn’t like.
My favorite part of this whole ordeal is people are surprised it happens. Welcome to T1 guys. I wish you could have been on SoS when rawnoodles was around, the amount of toxic propaganda he spread was astounding. Not to mention getting the help of PRX after they left.
but this is purely my thinking ahah.
