Guild Wars 2

That PPT guild, oPP, is definitely sending spies over. JQ is next once we gather enough donations from the community to send one over. First place in the league is ours now! MWAHAHAHA

Lordrosicky.5813:

Team wasn’t invited. I would be interested if ANY roaming guilds (never more than 5-6 people) get invited.

If not I give up all hope for this new map. It will just be blobby like the wvw maps if they only invite the blobby guilds who run their stacking 15-20+ zergs and feel pro all running right next to some leader spamming aoe and auto attacks.

I hope some roamers get let into the beta so that they can direct the direction of the map away from guilds like this who just blob and make wvw a skilless and no-fun environment.

RIOT is a roaming guild.

It really is.

http://www.twitch.tv/teamriottv/c/3121183

Botinhas.2018:

Why do people lie? Since day 1 of leagues BG has never been 2v1, quite the contrary, he always 2v1 with the other server, which is making them win this week and get JQ to 2nd place, making them winners of this league.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/

Oct 22nd.

I’m curious why people lie as well.

Like the guy said above, earn the right to talk trash by killing them instead.

Tyaen.5148:

TC has a large enough population to affect the outcome. SoS and Maguuma don’t.

I don’t really see it being that much of a problem. TC has lost a lot of guilds, today I heard they lost a NA guild to SoS, though I don’t know how accurate that is so I’m not naming the guild.

Tyaen.5148:

Burl.9567:

Robot Chocken.7012:

IMO SoR is the strongest server out of the 3 it would be a huge challenge.

I honestly don’t know. I have a feeling JQ and SoR are right there with each other. Wish we had a 1v1 this to find out, sadly ANet didn’t oblige at all during this league.

It would have been interesting had there been a JQ/SoR/(Maguuma or SoS)

What’s wrong with week 6?
https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/112401/NA_1-6.png

Vol.5241:

I understand BG wants to keep SoR from beating them in week 1, but the priority should be keeping JQ in 3rd place. BG helping JQ get to 2nd doesn’t help BG at all.

I would agree with this, but only because this means we (JQ and BG) could tie for 2nd and I think that outcome is interesting. To be honest with you, I don’t believe BG has a chance at winning either way.

Nuzt.7894:

They would be fine for roaming as well, thief because … well its a thief, and Engi has speedy kits so perma swift.

I was mainly just speaking from a warrior’s point of view. I tend to “babysit” the engineers in the group, to make sure they don’t die when they get focused. Not saying they are bad players because they really aren’t, I just feel obligated as the class with way more mobility to do so. I feel like thief may feel the same, but he may be fine with doing so like I am so this could just be irrelevant.

magikfox.9658:

buzzkill

I know right, negative nancy over there, no fun in T1

Engineer is really good for that duo. I fought a [TKG] condi engineer/glass thief duo that was really hard to take out (they probably know who they are). If you down the engineer the thief would SR and rez him back up, if you down the thief the engineer would drop a crate on you and rez him before you could do anything about it.

I don’t know about how it does with roaming itself (because roaming is all mobility), but if you get into a fight… the duo is really strong.

The rewards would be everyone getting the first place chest or whatever you’re supposed to get for winning, assuming that is what happens anyway. Also Mags, TC, and SoS getting something, instead of nothing, if somebody could plan it correctly (aka not me).

I personally don’t care either way what happens. I would find it funny to mess with ANet’s plan though. Also I’m not trying to be the spokesman for something like this. I was just like “hey, if we took 2nd in the 7th week… JQ and BG could tie… I wonder if all 3 of us could tie…”

Vol.5241:

No one in the majority is going to throw the match just to ‘stick it to anet’s face"

Go look at how difficult it was for some guilds to throw matches to get into leagues.

It’s all just a dream.

I know, that’s why I was trying to plan it with minimal thrown matches and volunteered my own server for the 1 throw (we are actually all pretty nice dudes so I could see it maybe working). The deviations in 1st/2nd for the same matches (SoR vs BG) could just be one server not pushing as hard as the last week, which is actually really easy to plan and happens naturally all the time.

Edit: I think on a guild level, this could work, but convincing pugs not to spawncamp Maguuma for example would be really hard. Though I’m sure SoR could keep them more than busy (also why I chose that matchup).

SFShinigami.2015:

I would actually be 100% for that if we could pull it off.

This is what I had from earlier in the page before I got demoralized by the fact that I messed up SoS’s matches and didn’t want to do those again…

JQ    3 1 1 1 2 2 1 = 27
SoR  2 1 2 1 1 1 3 = 27
BG    1 2 1 3 1 1 2 = 27

It requires BG to throw the 4th week match, which is impossible naturally, but could be done because its Maguuma (they will definitely push as hard as they can). We 3 would all get first. I really want SoS and Mags to tie for 3rd as well, but it’s such a pain to plan without too many thrown matches (shooting for none), and I don’t think its possible to get one of them to tie with TC.

Can you change that to JQ or something? BG only cried friday-saturday, the queues have vanished since then (outside NA prime). We are operating as normal again. Now all we have to cry about is the lag every time 2 30 man forces hit each other (which is seriously terrible and worthy of all the tears).

I mean I know you guys are going through this whole I told you so deal with your transfers, but leave BG out! We are doing fine.

SlothBear.9846:

I’m just glad that JQ managed to overcome all of the odds and make it into gold league, despite not having anywhere near the numbers, skill, or coordination of any other server! Way to go, JQ, the little server that could!

No but seriously lets end this in an exact three way tie to screw over Anet’s dumb league system.

That’s what I’m sayin! That would be hilarious

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/

Just looking at the chart, it really seems like you can tell we (all of us) are getting less people into WvW. The PPT is so erratic compared to the previous days.

celeron.3469:

Imagine:
1st: SoR/JQ/BG tie
2nd: TC
3rd: Mags/SoS tie

Ok I think I have a possibility for this…

JQ    3 1 1 1 2 2 1 = 27
SoR  2 1 2 1 1 1 3 = 27
BG    1 2 1 3 1 1 2 = 27
TC    1 3 2 2 2 3 1 = 21
Mag 2 3 3 2 3 2 3 = 13
SoS   3 2 2 3 3 3 2 = 13

BG would have to throw week 4 (real hard, pretty unlikely), I think the rest of the matches could play out like that through natural means or by just not playing as much (for T1/T1/T2 matches)

edit: screwed up SoS’s week 3 match which threw it all off, now I have to think about how to make the matches happen naturally again.

scootshoot.6583:

When a forum commander comes and states he targets <insert random server> 70-90pct of the time, well, expect a little bit of payback.

Besides, the illusion of 2v1 will cycle 24/7 regardless of who posts what when a matchup consists of 1v1v1

True, was just curious why it ended up like that.

Speaking of the season though, if BG wins this match and then gets 2nd on week 7 with JQ 3rd… JQ and BG will tie for 2nd (if the other matches go as expected). I wonder what happens in that situation? My math may be wrong because I’m doing it in my head, but I believe we both can end it with 25 points.

I kind of want that to happen just to see what ANet will do. Even better would be all 3 of us in a tie for first but I don’t know what you would need for that to happen.

Imagine:
1st: SoR/JQ/BG tie
2nd: TC
3rd: Mags/SoS tie

hints.8036:

This was recorded 1 hour ago in EB. JQ helping BG taking SoR’s keep.

http://www.twitch.tv/risenfall/c/3123151

If anyone in NA time (especially SoR/BG) wants to collaborate on streaming let me know or PM me in game. It would be fun to see what happened on the other side.

I’m new to streaming and plan to do it more often. I ran this on my 13" macbook pro so I limited the resolution/quality to save on fps :-(

Way too long for me, or anybody else most likely, to watch that entire thing. Any reason JQ decided to hit SoR instead of BG (who is in first)?

dragon.8071:

i logged in and we were outmanned. all but 1 bl there was no que for sor.

Same here, we were actually outmanned on BGBL for awhile as well (including the other 2). I haven’t been to EB since this started so no idea what goes on there.

Noerknhar.3826:

TL;DR: Don’t only play thief/warrior/mesmer when roaming.

People are going to play thief/warrior/mesmer as long as the other classes have less mobility/escapes. WvW is completely about mobility, the faster you are the less you die, the more slippery you are the less you die. It has nothing to do with damage or builds or flavor of the month or whatever.

If necro had as much mobility and/or escapes as those 3, then you’d be whining about necro right now (arguably the strongest class atm when you remove mobility from the equation). All of a necro’s mobility is either going to put him in combat or take up a utility slot, when the objective is to break combat it’s pretty counter intuitive.

I have a guardian as well, but ANet thought it was a good idea to remove almost every mob in the southern area of the BLs. So all of my mobility (teleports) is negated. EB has the same problem which is why I really do not like playing guardian there. If I engage in a fight with guardian, I either die or I win. If the enemy gets an extra ally while I’m fighting him, I’m going to have no way to respond to this. Especially when downed is taken into consideration, if similar skill level, I should have 0% chance to win that fight.

Hammerguard.9834:

“Oh, lets work together to keep JQ in third place. JQ is so stronk and they have such an easy season. The least we could do it help SoR win league because we’re so weak and puny.”

- SoR accepts the invitation. They begin to gain a 9k point lead over JQ and only a 1k point lead over BG. BG then realizes they got what they needed of SoR and screws them over approximately 10.315 times. SoR still clueless to all the screwings they’ve undergone ignorantly continue to attack JQ. All of the sudden the weak and puny BG gains the lead over SoR.

To Be Continued…

You should probably take a break. All this worrying about whether or not you’re getting double teamed cannot be good for your health.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/115

T1 here, just checked, there is only a queue on EB. Everything else has no queue at the moment.

Rhaegus.8924:

As i am probably the ele you are referring to here i think i can explain why we ‘run away’ from you instead of fight you.
oPP is a guild build to roam and 1v1 , 2v1 people. PvP players pur sang and you’re good, if not great, at what you do.
[HzH] is a map leading guild, almost 95% of the players you’ll encounter with an [HzH] tag are built to support the guild in open field fights, support and siege warfare. We have roamers, but they are few and far between. The ones we have though, tend to kitten people up in 1v1, i hope you’ll encounter them once, i think it’s going to be a good match.

As for why i tend to ‘run away’, instead of fight an oPP player 1v1. Well, first, i’m a friggin ele…last thing i need to do is 1v1-ing mesmers and thieves :p
Secondly, my entire gear, weaponset, traitset, build…is made to support a guild group in group fights. I know my build, i don’t deal a lot of dmg, but i heal the kitten out of people and make sure my commander is alive and at full health even during the largest fights. Do you honestly want me, a staff ele (even switching to daggers won’t do much for me) with 0 points in fire, and fully geared to heal instead of doing dmg, fight you who are fully decked out to 1v1 people. I don’t see the use in that, to me is it’s as usefull as a can of alcoholfree beer in a bachelorsparty. I honnestly think it makes more sense for me to try to kite you and go help my own guild. And this goes for almost all of our members.
So yeah, you’ll probably see us trying to dodge your guild in order to get to our own, not because we suck, but because we’re simply not sporting the build to 1v1 at that time.

That being said. Few HzH will be able to win from an oPP player in a 1v1. On the other hand, oPP is less likely to capture/defend a keep being defended/assaulted by HzH.
Both guilds have their strengths and weaknesses, no use in chest thumping on forums on how you can use your strong point vs another guilds weak point.

Signed
An [HzH] ele that will always run away from a 1v1.

Ps: To everyone else in this thread……You’re not 2v1-ing us…it’s a delusion….it’s us who are 1v2-ing you.

I know, I was just giving that other HzH guy crap for randomly insulting somebody else. My build isn’t exactly meant for 1v1s either. It’s extremly strong in small group play however. So if a condition/phantasm mesmer fights me (scepter 2 all day), I’m probably going to lose. But if that mesmer finds us in a 3v3 he will probably lose. I still fight those 1v1s though, because I’m a roamer, sometimes even 1v2s if I’m confident vs the classes.

Props to Rydia, he’s a cool guy.

Robot Chocken.7012:

Post a screen here when you and your guild actually do something useful.

Why? Do you need a view that isn’t the bottom of our feet?

Robot Chocken.7012:

This was actually started by you calling out our guild. You are nothing but a joke bro

Actually this was started by you calling out Waage. Also it seems you only know 1 insult.

Robot Chocken.7012:

LOL! You do realize that we can not even remember oPP in any significant way at all right? Every time we see your guild. You either run or die. And we have had 2 v 1 in JQ BL for 9 hours straight now. Once again you are being slow.

Keep trying, I’m sure the more you post the more your guildies will stop running.

Robot Chocken.7012:

Notice what is happening in JQ BL. Are you as slow at map awareness as you are on reality? Message me if you need to get rofl ganked heads up. Till then go practice getting good k thanks.

Did I say it was within the last 30mins? Is your reading comprehension as bad as your guild?

Robot Chocken.7012:

If you have not noticed we have been busy fighting off a 2 v 1.You can message me in game if you need to be owned. Let us hope your skill level is higher quality than your name.

They were on JQ BL I’m pretty sure, the only one that wasn’t was the thief, we were getting 2v1’d there. Don’t blame me for your own members.

Mirsa.1628:

celeron.3469:

Korbaal.6402:

Hahahaha. I wouldn’t put that in my sig either

Is IRON the same guild whos necros I 1v2’d and then stomped right in front of their guild?

Seems like you have short term memory loss. Regular exercise and a healthy diet can help you out there.

Seems you have denial.

@HzH guy: I found 1 ranger who didn’t run from me today. I found 1 guard who ported as soon as he saw me go towards him, 1 ele who ran but couldn’t get away, and a thief who upon me running up to him used blinding powder and ran to bay. I was solo in every situation. So maybe try getting your 1 ranger to train your guildies to not run, he’s a cool guy.

Korbaal.6402:

Hahahaha. I wouldn’t put that in my sig either

Is IRON the same guild whos necros I 1v2’d and then stomped right in front of their guild?

Nuked.2360:

I would call BS on that but it’s really not worth the effort. I mean every server claims they don’t have queue’s but the simple sizes of the groups we have been fighting. Don’t discredit our intelligence please. To answer your question it varies our queue’s are buggy I’ve had guildies get in instantly and then some wait hours. It also depends what guild is on what map for us as some guilds such kitten and SG and HzH have larger pug/guild crews that thus lengthen queues.

While he is stretching the truth a bit (EB and BGBL probably long queue — 20-40m), SoR and JQ BL both have very short queues.

Screenshot for example.

Robot Chocken.7012:

Coming from a guy with no signature. You are more than welcome to challenge us Not likely you will win.

Tell your members to stop running and we’ll see, I’m in oPP. Look for the laugh spam, you might find me.

Waage.2047:

Don’t be like that be better. HzH have some fine solo roamers. I have yet to fight them as a guild so i can not say what they are like.

Do not go down to there level.

It’s fine, we troll more in game than I do on the forums. Nothing makes us happier than getting focused by zergers.

Robot Chocken.7012:

No offense but let me make an offensive statement lol

Is HzH supposed to be good? I’ve never fought one, they always hide in towers.

Thank you, anet. Even the fact that you can enter the JP from anywhere makes this unexpected and completely welcome.

1) Population imbalance and ways to mitigate it
2) WvW rewards compared to PvE
3) Condition meta

Good fun in EB today, [VaL] and others. Not a usual dueling spot, but hey, its nice to see such a good turnout from JQ to one of these.

Robot Chocken.7012:

Maybe you should check with your server leaders It is no secret BG is not putting in full effort in BG or JQ. How do you not know?

I said that in my first reply. Do you speak english or are you using google translate?

Swamurabi.7890:

If that’s the case then you would support changing the map cap to 40, which will also only affect a small number of matches.

T1 here: Yes. Though 40 is a bit low, I’d rather 50-60. 1 large guild per map with a few small guilds capable of joining.

To the people still supporting the points on stomp change: are you guys actually roamers?

Tongku.5326:

1) People in upper tiers falsely assume that the lower tiers have roamers to take these points. They dont. When they do take them they are splitting off their ONLY force into being even smaller and even more outmanned often making the difference between taking / not taking the main group’s objective.

2) they can afford to have 2-3 groups of 5 camping these things.

3) And make sure you are on 24/7 while at it and go up against servers that have oceanic / euro coverage while you do not..

Split into numbers so I can respond.
1) If lower tiers do not have roamers, then why does every lower tier server claim T1 has less roamers? This is contradictory and I’m curious why they would claim this and then you say it isn’t.

2) This sounds extremely boring and unlikely. If it was true, hypothetically, then these servers would be more tryhard than T1 is. People dont even like scouting in T1, but you would ask them to sit on a point where if they lose concentration for even a moment they could actually be killed? I wouldn’t even respond to such a request. T1 roamers only bother with the points when they don’t have any or if the other server is really pushing for it. Otherwise we are killing people at south ruins.

3) This happens in T1 as well, like I said. Not every T1 server has perfect 24/7 coverage, not even JQ (the current #1) has 24/7 coverage. I gave an example in my previous post, 10 people maybe on the map (I only saw 3 other people… but I’m assuming there were about 10), we had bloodlust.

As for your request to transfer to a lower tier, does having a character on SoS count? They have really low population during NA time as well as nonexistant EU and marginal SEA.

Butter.3024:

“only”

“only immue to condition for 8s”

They are immune to conditions being applied to them, not immune to them. Same as the engineer trait, anything applied beforehand will still be there after it activates. It probably does need a nerf to its length though, 8s is a bit long, if it stays as is.

T1 and possibly T2:
- Roamers (usually just 3-5 people) cap bloodlust while dodging 25+ man zergs.
- 2/3 servers outmanned on most maps 75% of the day (TCBL an hr ago had 10~ people on it, we had bloodlust with outmanned)
- Likes the stomp points

Not T1:
- Unknown number of people cannot get bloodlust from unknown size zerg
- 2/3 servers outmanned on most maps at least 75% of the day
- Does not like the stomp points

Anyone care to explain this to me? And don’t give me that “because we aren’t T1” nonsense. Not all of us have been T1 forever, we know what lower tier servers are like, this happens to us as well… except it fluctuates between the servers. The ruins are not going to upgrade themselves the longer a server holds it, they are very easy to casually cap. You do not have to actually fight people to take a bloodlust point, so whether or not you’ll get stomped depends on whether or not you are going to let yourself die.

Hoots.9564:

For the players/guilds actually involved in this match, I’m sure the history is quite different. Typically NA would be slightly won by SoR with the slightly more off covered SoS ticking higher during the day. Saying either server was stacked during this match is laughable, both of our servers were on the rise after both received an influx of guilds shortly before this match begun. I’m still of the belief that if SoR had won, we would of filled SoS’s shoes when they climbed to T1, and SoS would be in our position now. This match up was the deciding factor for the state of WvW for many month’s as a large assortment of guilds transferred to the winner of this match-up, thus creating the first properly covered server.

I was there, I was in VI/AoI. SoR was about the only server that could match SoS’s NA crew, thats why I put “pretty much.” Not a certainty, but the SoS NA crew would pull back ppt from the 4-6pm EST pushes (SoS was like BG, except no EU at all) and then end the nights 300+ppt to hand off to oceanic. They also had people like Kurthos and Patone literally playing entire days. Times were way different. lol

OliT.7945:

In all seriousness BG, please please recruit more oceanics. This is 500 tick is boring a hell.

:^D

JQ and TC roamers, where were you today? There wasn’t really anyone from NA till OCX.

gebrechen.5643:

I real like this matchup. 4 weeks ago every match between JQ and BG that didn’t involve SoR was full with people from BG chest thumping about hat 100k lead in a matchup before and “lol you can’t win without SoR helping you”
It seems that backfired.

It’s hilarious how mad an entire server can be over a single person.

Tarkus.4109:

Requires good coordination and a focus on acquiring said buffs

Want to know how oPP caps bloodlust?

We go and stand on one of them
somebody suggest we cap bloodlust
“Yeah… ok we can do that”
“I’ll go SW while you cap”
“I’ll go SE”

Then we stand there till it caps. That’s about as much coordination required. You do however need people not zerging, so I guess its tough for some groups of people.