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I think Arenanet has gone against their manifesto. No, they have not stuck to it.
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We are unable to run the new dungeon when in overflow. I find this hilarious since during peak hours with this new patch for a while, you will be in overflow for quite some time. Was this poor planning on arenanets part? I logged in to check out the dungeon, and I cant.
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Could someone explain why this is bad? I see a screenshot with a bunch of characters… not sure why this equates to being bad?
(not trolling, I just dont understand this)
Guild Wars was always about playing a few hours/days till you have the maximum level and itemes and than you could explore all the content and be everywhere welcome.
In Guild Wars 2 you will now have to grind mindless for hunders of hours to improve your gear and than you have to do it all over again to improve your gear again, because else your items will be lower than everybody else and no one wants to play with you.
No no, I know what the whole debacle is with increasing the stats on ascended gear. But looking at the pic the OP posted, where does it show that the stat increase is going to be more than a few ? Everyone in this thread was able to determine from looking at it that its going to be a larger than expected jump(I guess expected was 8, people are saying its more like 14% or something?
Just curious where youre seeing this.
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-Lying to customers
-Empty zones because everyone is farming Fractals until they die(I dont think zones are empty yet…just saying…)
-Lying to customers
-Not responding adequately to customer concerns when ther ewas a 9000 post thread about one particular issue
-Lying to customers
-gear grind
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None. I kind of lost trust in Arenanet to give them any sort of help. I used to be the biggest defender of this game. I still enjoy it, I still think overall this game trumps games like WoW and Rift. But I have been mislead for the last time over this game, and have spent my last penny on gems. I will not buy anymore. Sadly, my wife bought me two gem cards for christmas(what a good wife…and she hates games). If it weren’t for a feeling of obligation/guilt, I probably wouldnt be playing for the next few months just to stick it to Arenanet.
I did, however, resub to WoW and split my time between the two games. Surprisingly that expansion is not too bad. The one dungeon I did was pretty fun. And I at least expect a gear treadmill there, from the premier game that does it well instead of this nonsense.
We’ll see how this weekend and the next week or two shake out. This will determine if I devote any further substantial time to this game.
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Excuse the gibberish, it’s quite difficult to get item codes for new stuff that isn’t a mess like this.
It’s probably a very low end infusion since we know they can be increased to go with the infinitely scaling dungeon.
Here’s the code in full, in case anybody feels like arguing about it being fake : [&AgEJkQAwDZWd0+4GAADzMS7fZRcAAA==]
Could someone explain why this is bad? I see a screenshot with a bunch of characters… not sure why this equates to being bad?
(not trolling, I just dont understand this)
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Im taking a break from GW2 starting tonight. The past two days have been frustrating and I have not found the desire to log in and farm anything because I know at some point in the future I will overwrite it with new gear. That in addition to feeling lied to with a bait and switch…and brushed off with the lack of attention/response our reaction has received. The only immediate attention we have received are deleted threads/posts, moved threads/posts, and unwarranted infractions.
I am frustrated with you Arenanet.
Im just taking a break for now. Against my better judgement I purchased MoP and resubbed to wow last night. I’ll play that for the next two weeks or so…I want to wait and see how this ascended nonsense shakes out. I want to see if people look for Ascended requirements for a group.
Maybe I’ll be back in a few weeks when things settle down. Maybe all of the endgame stuff that WoW now has will keep me playing and I wont feel cheated because I am expecting a treadmill there.
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good thoughts on this topic:
This.
QFT.
Sums up everything we are arguing about.
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143 pages…
All I can say is, people have been clamoring for meaningful end level progression since release. And now here it is. If you dislike it, then be careful what you wish for, I guess…
I havent been. I liked grinding for cosmetics, rather than statistics. This is what I was told Id be doing, not for gear upgrades after I had what I thought was a max stat set.
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ANet, this misstep has already damaged you.
For instance we are here talking about one single aspect of the patch, while there are many others that are ignored just because our concern about the new and wrong direction towards which you are steering the game has taken the stage.
Please act swiftly before more damage is done to your reputation and the hard work your teams have put into developing this patch, which has far more than just ascended gear in it.
If you will listen to our feedback like you did in the past, this time you need to do it quickly.
I agree. I see nothing on the forums or in map chat about anything else being injected into the game this weekend. I think that is self exlpanitory that this decision was too volatile and should be removed. I dont even know whats going on with the rest of the patch because I frankly dont care at this point. Im pissed.
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http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/b/324689481
Let it buffer, skip to 12:35.
Eric Flannum specifically says “Legendary weapons, ofcourse, are not any more powerful than the top level exotic weapons.”
“Each legendary weapon is based off of an exotic weapon, power wise”
Why are they making legendaries more powerful now? When Eric Flannum says otherwise here?
This cannot be refuted by anyone.
“You wont get a gameplay advantage”
You are preaching to the choir sister. They are backtracking now and making core changes to this game that are against their original design. I just don’t get it.
I just want as many of us to point out to their specific content leads, and producers, and game designers that have publically said one thing, and now going against it. I want to call them out as liars because that is what they are. I am pointing out that they promised and didnt deliver, buckling under the carrot on a stick pressure.
You don’t get a gameplay advantage from a Legendary. Legendary will always have the same stats as the highest non-Legendary item you can acquire in other, generally much easier and faster ways.
The only “advantage” of a Legendary is that it will increase in stats by itself if there is a new tier of armor appearing which is exactly how it should be given the amount of time and resources needed to obtain one.
So, when Eric Flannum says in the video “Legendaries wont be more powerful than the already existing top level Exotics”… That means that its OK for them to throw in better gear than exotics, and bump legendaries to that?
I call that a classic word play right there.
Yeah, that’s perfectly fine and what’s expected to be done if there is any stat increase.
They only mentioned exotics as comparison because they were the highest stats at the time. Legendaries have always been meant to be best in slot along with special skins. It’s just that you’ll always be able to have the same stats with a less interesting skin (which is subjective to begin with), but much easier to obtain item .
Right there you said it… They mentioned exotics because they were the highest stats at the time… until they created a new tier of gear called ascended. That sounds like a gear treadmill to me.
No where in that video, in any manifesto, in any interview or anything did they mention adding in additional gear that is higher than the current level of gear. Never. Not once. But they have said on multiple ocassions that there wont be a treadmill, no grinding, etc etc.
I don’t consider a 1-2% stat increase on items to be any advantage (remember we have 916 base stats), nor the appearance of any treadmill. That just means they want something between Exotics which are super easy to obtain and Legendaries which take months to a normal player.
You are just complaining over nothing, you’ll see.
Why didnt they announce this earlier? Before the game release? Why not in betas? Why not in interviews? Doing it after the games release gives people the wrong idea.
If this was planned, it should have been vocalized beforehand. If they had planned to add a new tier, Im sure we would be OK with it. Farm exotics until they release that ascended gear…We just feel blindsided.
and +5 power/precision/whatever on each item(compounded against eventually an entire set IS substantial). Apparently you dont do much wvw where sometimes you are left with a sliver of HP and the other guy is dead.
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http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/b/324689481
Let it buffer, skip to 12:35.
Eric Flannum specifically says “Legendary weapons, ofcourse, are not any more powerful than the top level exotic weapons.”
“Each legendary weapon is based off of an exotic weapon, power wise”
Why are they making legendaries more powerful now? When Eric Flannum says otherwise here?
This cannot be refuted by anyone.
“You wont get a gameplay advantage”
You are preaching to the choir sister. They are backtracking now and making core changes to this game that are against their original design. I just don’t get it.
I just want as many of us to point out to their specific content leads, and producers, and game designers that have publically said one thing, and now going against it. I want to call them out as liars because that is what they are. I am pointing out that they promised and didnt deliver, buckling under the carrot on a stick pressure.
You don’t get a gameplay advantage from a Legendary. Legendary will always have the same stats as the highest non-Legendary item you can acquire in other, generally much easier and faster ways.
The only “advantage” of a Legendary is that it will increase in stats by itself if there is a new tier of armor appearing which is exactly how it should be given the amount of time and resources needed to obtain one.
So, when Eric Flannum says in the video “Legendaries wont be more powerful than the already existing top level Exotics”… That means that its OK for them to throw in better gear than exotics, and bump legendaries to that?
I call that a classic word play right there.
Yeah, that’s perfectly fine and what’s expected to be done if there is any stat increase.
They only mentioned exotics as comparison because they were the highest stats at the time. Legendaries have always been meant to be best in slot along with special skins unless they decide to make something even harder to obtain and call them Godly or whatever. It’s just that you’ll always be able to have the same stats with a less interesting skin (which is subjective to begin with), but much easier to obtain item .
And either way you look at it, fact of the matter is that 100 to 1, more people are upset about this than are happy about it. People are just upset. Period. Nothing you say can change their minds. They/I feel somewhat lied to. End of story. Even if they are appeasing certain people, the majority does not approve. They’ve created a PR nightmare. This just wasnt very smart and the lack of responses from them and acknowledgement just compounds that.
They need to do a better job of cleaning up this mess, fast. Its Wednesday, the event starts Friday.
Im sure they can quickly code the ascended gear to be on the same level of stats as exotics, and remove any mention of ascended. They have two full days to do this. They better get moving if they wish to save their reputation.
If they did remove ascended, I will re-label them as a developer that listens to the vocal majority. Only one other developer has that honor, in my opinion. Trion.
Karma is as abundant as air, and as useless as the Kardashians.
http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/b/324689481
Let it buffer, skip to 12:35.
Eric Flannum specifically says “Legendary weapons, ofcourse, are not any more powerful than the top level exotic weapons.”
“Each legendary weapon is based off of an exotic weapon, power wise”
Why are they making legendaries more powerful now? When Eric Flannum says otherwise here?
This cannot be refuted by anyone.
“You wont get a gameplay advantage”
You are preaching to the choir sister. They are backtracking now and making core changes to this game that are against their original design. I just don’t get it.
I just want as many of us to point out to their specific content leads, and producers, and game designers that have publically said one thing, and now going against it. I want to call them out as liars because that is what they are. I am pointing out that they promised and didnt deliver, buckling under the carrot on a stick pressure.
You don’t get a gameplay advantage from a Legendary. Legendary will always have the same stats as the highest non-Legendary item you can acquire in other, generally much easier and faster ways.
The only “advantage” of a Legendary is that it will increase in stats by itself if there is a new tier of armor appearing which is exactly how it should be given the amount of time and resources needed to obtain one.
So, when Eric Flannum says in the video “Legendaries wont be more powerful than the already existing top level Exotics”… That means that its OK for them to throw in better gear than exotics, and bump legendaries to that?
I call that a classic word play right there.
Yeah, that’s perfectly fine and what’s expected to be done if there is any stat increase.
They only mentioned exotics as comparison because they were the highest stats at the time. Legendaries have always been meant to be best in slot along with special skins. It’s just that you’ll always be able to have the same stats with a less interesting skin (which is subjective to begin with), but much easier to obtain item .
Right there you said it… They mentioned exotics because they were the highest stats at the time… until they created a new tier of gear called ascended. That sounds like a gear treadmill to me.
No where in that video, in any manifesto, in any interview or anything did they mention adding in additional gear that is higher than the current level of gear. Never. Not once. But they have said on multiple ocassions that there wont be a treadmill, no grinding, etc etc.
Karma is as abundant as air, and as useless as the Kardashians.
http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/b/324689481
Let it buffer, skip to 12:35.
Eric Flannum specifically says “Legendary weapons, ofcourse, are not any more powerful than the top level exotic weapons.”
“Each legendary weapon is based off of an exotic weapon, power wise”
Why are they making legendaries more powerful now? When Eric Flannum says otherwise here?
This cannot be refuted by anyone.
“You wont get a gameplay advantage”
You are preaching to the choir sister. They are backtracking now and making core changes to this game that are against their original design. I just don’t get it.
I just want as many of us to point out to their specific content leads, and producers, and game designers that have publically said one thing, and now going against it. I want to call them out as liars because that is what they are. I am pointing out that they promised and didnt deliver, buckling under the carrot on a stick pressure.
You don’t get a gameplay advantage from a Legendary. Legendary will always have the same stats as the highest non-Legendary item you can acquire in other, generally much easier and faster ways.
The only “advantage” of a Legendary is that it will increase in stats by itself if there is a new tier of armor appearing which is exactly how it should be given the amount of time and resources needed to obtain one.
So, when Eric Flannum says in the video “Legendaries wont be more powerful than the already existing top level Exotics”… That means that its OK for them to throw in better gear than exotics, and bump legendaries to that?
I call that a classic word play right there.
Karma is as abundant as air, and as useless as the Kardashians.
I cant believe in 139 pages, theres been one true response to this. I dont even consider the blogpost a response, that was probably written before all of this. Theres been only one response from arenanet, as if they are listening but do not feel this is serious enough to warrent a response.
Arenanet: Do we not deserve more attention and response from you? We bought your game, bought into your company lines, purchased gems. Do we not deserve more than the “tip toe around the issue” response you gave us?
What an insult.
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Until I hear a better response to specific concerns, arenanet will not get another dime from me.
I want to hear them say “This is the first and only stat boost we have planned”
I want to hear them say “In expansions, we will not be increasing the leveling cap and thus not increasing stats on gear”
I want to hear them say "Legendaries are on par with the top level of gear again…
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This will go down as one of the biggest 180s in MMO history. To the fanboys, I think this thread is evident enough that enough people are upset about it.
Whether or not people eventually get over it, in a year or two people will look at the early life of GW2 and remember two things: Account security issues, and re-writing what they said in terms of progression.
Much like SWTOR is known for being a copy-cat WoW, GW2 will be known for going back on their word.
I have seen communities up in arms about changes and issues with a game before, but never like this. The diablo 3 fiasco doesnt even compare.
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http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/b/324689481
Let it buffer, skip to 12:35.
Eric Flannum specifically says “Legendary weapons, ofcourse, are not any more powerful than the top level exotic weapons.”
“Each legendary weapon is based off of an exotic weapon, power wise”
Why are they making legendaries more powerful now? When Eric Flannum says otherwise here?
This cannot be refuted by anyone.
“You wont get a gameplay advantage”
You are preaching to the choir sister. They are backtracking now and making core changes to this game that are against their original design. I just don’t get it.
I just want as many of us to point out to their specific content leads, and producers, and game designers that have publically said one thing, and now going against it. I want to call them out as liars because that is what they are. I am pointing out that they promised and didnt deliver, buckling under the carrot on a stick pressure.
Karma is as abundant as air, and as useless as the Kardashians.
http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/b/324689481
Let it buffer, skip to 12:35.
Eric Flannum specifically says “Legendary weapons, ofcourse, are not any more powerful than the top level exotic weapons.”
“Each legendary weapon is based off of an exotic weapon, power wise”
Why are they making legendaries more powerful now? When Eric Flannum says otherwise here?
This cannot be refuted by anyone.
“You wont get a gameplay advantage”
Karma is as abundant as air, and as useless as the Kardashians.
Anet need to release some details that are concrete and this thread can be put to sleep. Currently there are thousands of players commenting on something that they think will happen.
And that’s fair enough, as the details are far from refined. It’s very easy to read the blogs and then see what you want to see. It’s too ambiguous and frankly Anet need to sort it out. The forums are not a nice place to be at the moment.
I think they explained it pretty well.
FACT: Exotic gear won’t have infusion slots.
FACT: infusions are needed to counter agony and other conditions that will be introduced later.
FACT: in order to apply infusions to your gear, you need it to have infusion slots.
FACT: In many interviews ANet has stated that a player couldn’t acquire gear that was more powerful than exotics, at most better looking gear which had the same stats (legendaries).So what exactly should ANet explain better?
What we need is not more explanation, but rather a statement from them saying: “we have listened to our community feedback and are removing ascended gear from the game. All existing lvl 80 exotic gear will receive an infusion slot.”
Simple as that!
This. 100x this. Give this man a medal. All you need to do is add an infusion slot to existing Exotic gear, make the planned Ascended gear into new dungeon exotic gear, and youre done!
From what I understand legendaries are on par with exotics. Theres no need to change that! We are OK with a unique skin, thats the whole idea of the game! Why distance legendary from Exotic when you say theres no reward for obtaining a super rare item, other than cosmetic!
Please for the love of god make this simple change…infusion slots to exotics and remove ascended.
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Can the mods really stop closing out posts? I had posted something that was related to Ascended gear, but was not appropriate to this particular thread.
I wanted to know if the hardcore players expect more tiers. I think its relevant to talk about and should be in its own thread. I dont think it should be in this one.
Please look at your moderators behavior. I am becoming agitated and feel the need to give customer service a call.
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I had thought, or at least arenanet walked that grey fine line, that legendary was just a unique skin, and no stat upgrade. Making it better than exotics goes against this. I’ll feel obligated to obtain legendaries, and in turn obtain legendary armor WHEN it is released.
If they release legendary armor, that is better than acsended and exotic, I am out without even a post on the forums crying why.
After ascended gear I expect not to regear again, and I will NOT regear again.
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No powerful gear will not make me play more. So far the mere thought of it made me play less.
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Just curious if you are going to whine about more vertical progression once all of the ascended gear has been released…
The more I think about it, and from the most recent post from Arenanet, I am making peace with this change. I still disagree, but making peace with it. I do not trust arenanet anymore to keep their word, but making peace with it. So I might be able to stomach all of this, only if it is indeed a one time tier addition.
Im really curious if those of you that are very in favor of this, and of a gear treadmill/vertical progression, are going to want yet another tier.
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Hi,
Like many of you I was severely ticked off with the announcement of Ascended gear. I jumped to many conclusions, many of which I still hold. After reading Chris Whiteside’s announcement, I feel at least a little better.
-The Ascended gear is a one time tier bump. We have him quoted that they are not looking to create a gear treadmill and this is a one time deal. They will add other ascended gear into the game into the future, obtained through new dungeons and old dungeons as well as possibly other ways. A one time addition of a tier of gear that is higher than exotic. I think his reasoning is flawed when he says there needed to be a smoother transition from exotic to legendary. I think it was just fine.
-I do not think even with a full ascended set that content will become obsolete. If arenanet feels this is the case, they can simply ramp up the damage done in these older dungeons. They should take significant steps to make sure this doesnt happen.
-I feel for the PVP players here, still. I am a PVE player and I was/still am against this addition, but PVP players who dont want to run any dungeons are getting slighted at the moment. I understand.
-Chris Whiteside also mentioned that he wants to keep this gear out of WvW, but then mentioned something about having the gear in WvW. This is becoming typical of arenanet being completely grey on topics so that they can move either way the wind blows.
-This isnt the first time that I’ve caught arenanet walking the thin line between what the community THOUGHT they meant and what they really want to do with the game. There are a few instances of bait and switch that I can refer to. They have lured us in with the promise of no gear treadmill, (as well as other possibly smaller yet impactful promises), and then have gone in the opposite direction we thought they would.
I will still play the game. For now. If I begin to see “LFG <new dungeon>, must have full ascended” in map chat most of the time, I will probably leave. If they dare add one more tier to this game, I am not only going to stop playing, I will delete the game. Period. My advice to Anet: Tread carefully, you are upsetting much of your playerbase.
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(edited by cesmode.4257)
If this were a one time added step between exotic and legendary, I can stomach it…maybe. But they havent specified that. They are increasing the stats of current legendaries to be on par with ascended items. Whose to say they wont decide to throw in another tier and do this again, just increase the stats of the legendaries again.
Its a slippery slope.
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To put some humor into this thread:
“Aye Captain, what to do if the worst happens?”
Jack Sparrow: “… Stick to the code…”
Later in the movie…
Elizabeth: "We have to go back for them!!
“Theres the code to consider…”
Elizabeth: “They are more like guidelines anyways….”
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I find it absolutely hilarious that people are crying over this new tier of items when it adds +2 to stats over Exotics. Yes people that is +2 in stats!
That is far from making Exotics inferior to the new armor tier… +2 in stats x6 armor pieces for a total of +12 is still a far cry from making Exotics no longer viable…
Incorrect. The built in componant adds an additional 3, for a total of 5. 5 more power, precision, etc . Compound that against 2 or 3 items, and its a decent difference. Not to mention in the future when additional items are added.
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Unavoidable damage/debuff <> mechanic
Unavoidable damage/debuff <> engaging combat and encounter
Unavoidable damage/debuff <> creativity
Unavoidable damage/debuff <> innovation
Unavoidable damage/debuff <> fun instance
Unavoidable damage/debuff = Lazy developer’s way out.
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My question is, even if they listen to our voices of reason and remove this gear, how do they then combat the effects of Agony? Id imagine that this mechanic is what the dungeon is centered around.
BTW, I wouldnt even consider it a mechanic. Its not like I can dodge it or avoid it, react to it, etc. Some unremovable debuff that you can only mitigate by acquiring special gear. I dont mind something like that, similar to elemental resistances in other games, but I just dont like the stat increases and the future requirements players will place on forming groups for this dungeon, because this resistance set will be required.
I say scrap the ascended armor, and allow infusion/resistance via the forge or from crafting.
Simple.. you retain your “mechanic” and theres no gear treadmill, while boosting crafting professions(these items will be in demand).
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I don’t quite understand why people are getting upset over the mention of Ascended gear. It’s a fraction better than exotics, and it gives you a decent upgrade in end-game dungeons. You work for them to progress your character so that he/she can do the content even more easily.
This isn’t a grind. It’s called progression. Cosmetic rewards are wonderful and all, but it’s not bad to have something to work towards that affects you otherwise.
Also, remember that this content update in November is only introducing accessories/back equipment for Ascended. No armor, no weapons.
Dude, in their own video on their own website they say no gear treadmill. But giving us upgrades to what is already max stat gear, creates the gear treadmill. They specifically say “No gear treadmill”, hell they even aluded to it in the blogpost about no gear treadmill, but that is exactly what this is. Yes, its for rings and back, but there will be more gear. Id say in 6 months time we will have at least a half set of ascended. You spent your kharma and gold on exotics for nothing other than a skin.
People bought this game partially because once they retrieve a max stat set, it would not be replaced.
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Just to put my own flavor on this:
When I first heard about guildwars 2, there was a video, i think, of colin johansen saying you can be downleveled and upleveled. This was removed before the first beta, and there was an article about it somewhere. This WAS supposed to be in the game, but was removed. This was something that I actually liked…any and all content is available to me from the get go, since this entire game is supposed to break the mold from every MMO and do its own thing, re-writing the rule book.
Then DEs were supposed to change the world around me. While I enjoy them, the world stays the same. Centaurs destroyed those water pipes in queensdale. Is divinities reach effected? Is the orchard having problems now? Are centaur’s still spreading because of this? Are they now stronger in queensdale because they have this new footing? No. The world around you stays the same, aside from the few tiles of world that make up that water pipe area.
No grind… Videos of arenanet saying No gear grind, leave that to other MMOs. There is nothing BUT a gear grind. I dont mind running a dungeon, and getting lucky with drops from a boss. But I grind out a dungeon X amount of times for badges to turn in. Thats the grind I dont like.
And now theres this… Gear treadmill. It was said there would be no treadmill, but adding +5 to any stat category effectively makes this a new tear, even if it can be considered to be just a half a tier up. If I want to keep a competitive edge in wvw, I need to farm this new gear. And since we know this is just the tip of a larger iceberg, I’ll be regearing myself and getting rid of my hard earned and GRINDED exotics.
Too many “grey” areas where they have sort of baited me with this game, and for the most part I looked the otherway because the game was still fun. This might be crossing the line.
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Stop whining for God’s sake, they just gave us some hints not the full system and people are QQing like hell. Just, wait, if it doesn’t work out I’m sure ANet will do something about it, can you just give it a shot before nerd-raging?
Thanks.
They heard us nerd raging before they posted the new blog post. The blog doesnt even acknowledge that we are upset about it.
The stat differential between ascended and exotic is pretty substantial, compounded with more than one item.
Theres no point to obtain exotic gear anymore, the prices of that will go way down.
Theres no point to farm old dungeons because the best stats are waiting for you in the new dungeon.
This is just the tip of the iceberg.
2800 posts says that this is a bad idea.
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Well, I am going to bed. I sincerely hope there is a response to this entire debacle in the morning. Otherwise I am going to be looking at which toon I want to level to 90 in WoW, and then resubbing.
To arenanet, you have not made any friends with this. When the dust settles, you’ll see a fraction of your population left.
All of the videos with Colin propping up the game with grey promises (there are a few other gripes I have that baited me in initially but didnt pan out the way you stated)…
I had such high hopes for this game…
Karma is as abundant as air, and as useless as the Kardashians.
This is NOT breaking their promise. If people actually use logic, its just another tier. Just like Blues, Just like Greens, Just like yellows, and just like oranges. It is NOT a gear treadmill since you dont get better gear after this. It is just like legendaries being the best. Now its ascended thats the best. It is just more variety, not a broken promise.
Making this gear have the best in slot stats, a term they used in this blog, is breaking their promise. Not to mention, this is the tip of the iceberg, as mentioned in their blog. Not to mention, why release this 2 months after release? We have all poured hours, hundreds of gold, hundreds of thousands of kharma into exotic gear only to be crapped on by ascended.
You sir are completely incorrect.
Karma is as abundant as air, and as useless as the Kardashians.
I MIGHT be ok with this if this ascended gear dropped from any other Explorable mode dungeon..give us a reason to still run those.
Karma is as abundant as air, and as useless as the Kardashians.
I love how everyone defending this is saying “Theres the door”. Hey, there are enough of us disgruntled players that if we were to leave, who would you run this new dungeon with? The small handful of people that support this?
Right..
Karma is as abundant as air, and as useless as the Kardashians.
Zanthrax: Compounded on two or three items. And then the next content patch..maybe another different set of items
Its not only the fact that theres increased stats, but its the tip of the iceberg.
Karma is as abundant as air, and as useless as the Kardashians.
Are they sitting in their studio right now reading this? Get off your butts and give us a decent response to this. Why did you bait us in with no treadmill but then folded and catered to the hardcore player base, which studies show is a small percentage of an MMOs players.
Seriously what is arenanet doing right now that warrants absolutely no response to this.
Sitting back, cup of coffee? Thinking they have done their good deed for the day?
“Mmmhmm, mhmm, yeah Bill this is good stuff. They are loving this idea. See? Great job content team, way to go. See, they love it..Hold on I’ll find a post…hold, scrolling through a few pages of negative posts, Ah heres one…”
Karma is as abundant as air, and as useless as the Kardashians.
And folks, this isnt a +2 stat increase. Do your math.
Initially +2 from ring to ring, but then look at the “built in component” where the jewel would be…
Add the 50 + 18 and you get 68 which is higher than the combined stats on the exotic ring by about 5. This is by very definition a new tier of gear. This is a a treadmill. Even if I didnt care to run this dungeon anymore after I received these items, I still would want to have them to be on par with everyone else.
Its a treadmill.
Karma is as abundant as air, and as useless as the Kardashians.
Id love to see what Arenanet has to say now that they have had a chance to observe our reactions.
I just hope they tell me what I want to hear before I resub to WoW or Rift in the morning.
Karma is as abundant as air, and as useless as the Kardashians.
I wonder if Arenanet weighed the pros and cons of this…
Making some of the more hardcore gamers happy with some sort of item progression
vs
Upsetting everyone else(casuals, pvp, etc).
You will lose players, there is no question of that. Was it worth it?
Karma is as abundant as air, and as useless as the Kardashians.
I highly doubt this would be a one time thing. Once everyone has all ascended gear and this new dungeon is a pushover, people will be clamoring for the next one.
“Well, lets make the next one harder boys, and give them more ascended to cope with it”.
Karma is as abundant as air, and as useless as the Kardashians.
Instead of stupid ascended gear and infusions, couldn’t there be new insignia’s for armorsmiths, leatherworkers and tailors to craft that provide resistance? Come on… easy solution and props up the crafting people.
Karma is as abundant as air, and as useless as the Kardashians.
NOTE: They used the same mechanic in the original game. It allows players to have additional customization with the mechanics that they’ll throw at us in endgame. The whole world is still yours to play and the stats of the new armor type are not going to give you the edge that will allow you to sweep the maps any faster…
Granted, I wish they would have had this system out at launch, but it’s where they need to take the game. The game cannot just sit in one place and expect to grow.
And how are they betraying you? Did they close off the rest of the content they built and say that this new dungeon is all you can do? If you were happy with what you were doing before, this new addition isn’t going to change anything for you. Just keep trucking…
In the previous game, were players stacking infusion only gear? Or did they equip only a few pieces of infusion gear, mixed with their regular exotics? I.E. Will people be running this dungeon in full infusion gear if they are able to obtain it, vs a mix of infusion and exotic?
Karma is as abundant as air, and as useless as the Kardashians.
And, in all likelihood, so am I. It’s just an additional tier past Exotics.
Look at bit more closely, the ascended stuff doesnt have an upgrade slot. The stats are the same as exotic gear when you add the upgrade and it looks like the infusion is just for protection against agony. In other words, this gear will not have higher stats than exotic gear. Can I be the first to say, sincerely, nice work Anet.
This may be true, and infact might be the saving grace for me(verdict is still out, I have Worldofwarcraft.com open right now to resub… )
However, my question is: How will this effect the current dungeons and “requirements” that the silly playerbase will instill?
LFG, must have X amount of defensive infusion, pst.
So if people want to see this dungeon, farm it until they drop = other dungeons empty?
Karma is as abundant as air, and as useless as the Kardashians.
so if they add 10 more lvls in next expansion you all leave too?
becouse lvl 80 exotics will be crap
idk if you followed this game prelaunch with statements like this.
i mean seriously.
They’ve said, since way before launch, that 80 may not be the level cap and that they may raise it in future expansions.
I suppose, when that happens, people will claim that ANet never said that.
Just for kicks, can you provide a source to this information? Ive seen someone in these forums say the same thing, that Colin Johansen said the level cap might be raised. But no one is able to provide a source.
I’ve followed GW2 dev for a while before release and no where ever did I read that they would increase the cap.
Until I read something that says otherwise, I operate under the assumption that 80 is cap, even when expansions come out. I will be very disappointed otherwise.
Karma is as abundant as air, and as useless as the Kardashians.
Most of us are in support of the upcoming update, just a small minority complaining.
Exactly.
Re-read through this entire thread that consists of close to 900 posts. I think you’ll find that the people in favor are the minority.
Blind assumptions…
Na, I’m just more vocal in that I agree with update and feel compelled to contrast the whiners or entitled naggers that must voice their “concerns” of the game.
Most people just read the update and move on.
22 pages of people disagree with you. There are a handful like yourself that have no problem, but by and large 22 pages of people disagree with you.
Karma is as abundant as air, and as useless as the Kardashians.
Most of us are in support of the upcoming update, just a small minority complaining.
Exactly.
Re-read through this entire thread that consists of close to 900 posts. I think you’ll find that the people in favor are the minority.
Blind assumptions…
Karma is as abundant as air, and as useless as the Kardashians.