Guild Wars 2

Bamboostew.2094:

for once a server that has them that doesnt like them there lol

here at Dragonbrand we used to be WvW powerhouse till the sad misfortune of all Oceanic players playing everywhere else.
This past week on night 1 of the reset we got behind 100,000 points in ONE night, as a result of us losing so often and because of the past free transfers most large groups have left for “winning” servers that are packed with oceanic players.

Its fine they have a place to play but it kind of ruins WvW becuase now we cant maintain a dominance with our limited timezone playtime

That’s what I mean about them needing to add oceanic servers. This problem wouldn’t exist if they would have done this right in the first place and designated a couple of servers as oceanic servers.

Now we’re all having to pay for their oversight and it’s ruining the competitiveness of WvW.

Whoever decided not to have Oceanic designated servers made a VERY poor decision.

mcl.9240:

You do realize that asking for a High NA-population, low Oceanic population server to transfer to is contradictory to your stated dislike of losing, don’t you?

It’s not really about winning as if that is what I was wanting I would just transfer to the most consistently well ranked server. I want to be on a server that is actually populated at times that I can play that doesn’t suck at WvW.

Admit it or not WvW is primarily based on numbers.. if you’re greatly outnumbered you will not win. Being on DH and playing during peak NA times means getting your kitten beat all the time and spending at ton on repairs.

Not to mention PVE is better as well when there are people on to do a lot of the dynamic events etc.

There is currently a huge issue right now because some servers are getting huge amounts of oceanic characters while others have none. I selected the server I’m on Darkhaven because I liked the name and because since it was listed as a NA server I assumed that it would be populated at the times I could be on.

Well was I ever wrong. It turns out for some unknown reason DH has attracted a ton of Oceanics and has fewer NA players so at the times I can be in WvW it’s dead and at the times I’m sleeping (overnight) it’s crazy busy and we can actually win.

This was a major oversight to not have Oceanic designated servers like most other MMO’s. This needs to be fixed…

Hmm.. Can you tell me more about Gate of Madness? You sure it’s a higher concentration of NA players?
I don’t want to get into another situation like DH where it’s barren during Americas daylight and primetime and crazy busy when we’re all sawing logs.

I rolled on Darkhaven at launch because I thought it was a NA server but it turns out that there are very few NA people left on DH anymore.

That means at times that I want to WvW like when I’m not sleeping like most other NA people there is hardly anyone on in WvW which means losing constantly, being outnumbered and insane repair costs.

I’m looking for a heavy NA pop server that is decent at PVP but also has a lot of PVE interest to bring my guild. Let me be clear though I want a HEAVY NA pop and LOW oceanic pop server. Anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks

I doubt that we ever will honestly.

SpyderBite.6274:

Yah. I have to ask the same question as Stonehead. Which Mac are you having issues with?

I’m on a 2012 13" MBP that doesn’t even have a dedicated video card and I am able to enjoy PvP and WvWW play just fine. So, perhaps its the age of your Mac, the OS X version, or something else that is causing your system to perform poorly.

My guess is that you are seeing acceptable to you performance because you are running at a much lower resolution of 1440×900.

There’s no way possible though you are seeing the same or better performance as you see in Windows. That is virtually impossible because of the way Cider works. Cider consumes system resources just to be able to run Guild Wars 2.

I’m running Guild Wars 2 on a iMac with 10.8.2 at 250×1440 so that is much more graphically intensive than what you are running at.

Arius.7031:

Ralathar.7236:

Just got repulsed on Ogres by Darkhaven after repelling a keep siege in EB against far superior numbers. On ogres we got the gate down and were fighting 1:1 inside and winning. But right before we wiped em Darkhaven swooped in behind to make it 3:1 odds.

I gotta say Dark, you’re going to need to get better if you are going up a tier. You have numbers at night but that’s it. If Ehrmy Bay can break a far superior force (with shiverpeaks harassing both till we drove em off) and then only fails a keep siege against even numbers thanks to a hardcore zerg? Well, others will tear you apart.

I can’t give yall a good overall grade. You’re day crew is smart fighters and win the big picture with the help of Shiverpeaks being not so wise. You’re night crew appears to be the base zerg level skill from what I’ve face of them to date. I admit being a bit disappointed.

I’m going to have to agree after all this time that your win is primarily based on the peak time differential and night capping. But at least you’re better than Northern Shiverpeaks. Shame I eventually ended up at this conclusion but seriously yall best prepare for tiers that actually field night crews or you’re going to get hit hard by the skill differential.

Look at it from this standpoint, SoR is completely dominating the tier above us, virtually non-stop. We dominated them (complete and total domination) at night time. We have improved vastly since then. You likely ran into an unorganized zerg or something. Run into the HNN’s zerg, trust me, completely different story.

Also, our two sides meet at peak times (we both peak at prime time). We still win by quite a large amount. This tactic of tearing others down does nothing. We’ve lead at prime time consistently (which I can prove using screenshots if need be). We’re winning because our macro organization is superior, and because we have a significant night time advantage in numbers thanks to dedicated NA players.

What Ralathar is saying is partially correct. We have serious cohesion issues with coordination on Darkhaven. It can be extremely frustrating at times. We would do MUCH better if we had better cohesion and organization.

All it’s going to take is for us to face a sizable force that has good strategy and we will be screwed.

Catamaran Nights.5179:

I appreciate having at least the option of a Cider client. I don’t think it’s feasible to expect a native Mac client unless it’s done in lockstep with the first expansion. I don’t know how they could build a Mac client from the ground up and keep it synced with the PC version after the fact. I’m not aware of an MMO that’s done that successfully without going with a wrapper. Blizzard has been producing games on both Mac and PC at launch for awhile now.

I don’t see what difference that makes. They create the client as they would if they were creating it along side the Windows version. They patch it when it releases just like they do with any other client whether that be Windows or Mac.

If Turbine can do it (which they are for LOTRO) then ArenaNet should most definitely be able to do it.

I have a lot of friends in guilds that I played WoW, Diablo 3 and Starcraft with that use Macs and because of the very bad framerate issues of the Cider client while in WvWvW I can’t even suggest to them to get GW2.

Please please please ArenaNet give us a native Mac client. WvWvW is a huge part of this game but is currently unplayable in the Cider client. The pvp in this will be a huge draw for many Mac players but many of them wont run or install bootcamp simply to play your game.

We really need a native client (said with sad puppy dog eyes).

Warning to you RageBeast if you’re a heavy WvW’er you might wan to reconsider playing this on a Mac. This Cider client is almost unplayable in WvW due to very low frame rates.

If you do a lot of WvW you’d be better off keeping your Windows machine at least for playing GW2 on.

Gohlar.3671:

diabluz.2860:

Gohlar.3671:

33 and very disappointed. I still check the forums. My friends of similar age were all GW1 fans and were also very let down with GW2 and were gone within 2 weeks.

In terms of complexity and challenge there is no denying GW2 is a giant step backwards.

I’m kind of curious why you still check the forums if you have no interest in the game. Not trying to be rude but I don’t really understand why so many that say they dislike the game still come here. I for one wouldn’t waste my time discussing something I don’t like or enjoy.

Hope that stuff gets added or changed I guess. GW1 has my favorite game to date.

I have noticed GW2 fans are incredibly insecure though, criticism is not welcome at all here. It’s probably a big reason the game turned out the way it did, too must listening to yes men.

Yeah, I’m starting to realize that these forums here are VERY crooked. Their are some people that come and post in these forums just to incite arguments and get threads locked and or deleted that are not painting the most positive picture of the game. That I can say for certain.

The mods on these forums are doing more to destroy the community of this game. People won’t want to stick around in a community where they can’t speak without being hushed. It’s almost enough to completely turn me off to ArenaNet despite my like for the game.

Gohlar.3671:

33 and very disappointed. I still check the forums. My friends of similar age were all GW1 fans and were also very let down with GW2 and were gone within 2 weeks.

In terms of complexity and challenge there is no denying GW2 is a giant step backwards.

I’m kind of curious why you still check the forums if you have no interest in the game. Not trying to be rude but I don’t really understand why so many that say they dislike the game still come here. I for one wouldn’t waste my time discussing something I don’t like or enjoy.

Arius.7031:

diabluz,

Our server does have a healthy Aussie population, but a lot of our night time strength comes from night time playing North Americans. We’re lacking in population during the morning through the afternoon, this is due to people being at work, and people staying up late to participate in the night time game.

You’ll notice though, against NSP, when prime time kicks in we immediately start gaining ground and by the end of prime time we usually own 3/4 if not more of the map. The problem is basically:

1. A healthy percentage of our population is overseas (they play at night but sleep through our morning/noon).
2. A healthy percentage of our population is NA people who stay up late to participate in the night game (which is a blast).
3. A lot of our fellows are at work and the like during the day.

Any of these 3 factors alone wouldn’t do too much to our server during the morning/noon periods, but throw them together and you’ve got a very unhealthy population during the morning period. If we can fix that one issue, our server will become a very, very hard server to beat (I’d imagine).

I’m trying to figure out the why a large portion of our population is overseas if that is the case. I was under the impression this was a North American server and that is why I selected it. I really don’t want to play on a heavy overseas pop server. I’m not sure why anyone in NA would want to.

Most of us I would think would prefer to be on a server that is populated at those times we’re on. How did we end up with so many overseas people if it’s an NA server?

tolunart.2095:

Real evidence to back up these claims does not exist. Most MMOs do not release moment-to-moment subscriber data nor do they publish activity records that show how often their subscribers log on or how long they spend in the game.

The company itself has these records, however, and they know when activity surges or drops. They have a much better idea of how things are going with the game than any player.

Because you don’t need a subscription to play the game, except for banned accounts everyone who has purchased the game has an account whether they log in every week, every month, or uninstalled the game and forgot about it. This makes “subscriber” or member information useless, there are over 2 million GW2 accounts and unless there are some extreme mass bannings the number will only increase over time.

The day-to-day in-game population, however, varies greatly and will surge when new content is released, such as the Halloween update, or when an expansion is released. Players taking a break from the game is expected and accounted for by Arenanet, as are surges of activity when things are added or changed.

Who are you arguing with? Yourself?

To you and the others that claim there is no evidence I say, do you feel then that poll data on any subject whether they be elections or any other matter aren’t valid because it’s just a sampling?

You guys do realize right that polls and metrics etc are a sampling of a community used to extrapolate a conclusion/trend.

I have told you of at least two online sources of metrics to gauge interest in GW2, Twitch, and Xsplit. There are also others that people here have mentioned such as Reddit, Twitter etc. These sources are good enough for many businesses to use as a basis for their bottom lines and steer the direction of their future products/services.

Why are they not good enough for you?

Because they don’t support the answer you want?

Raidan.5983:

Again look at Blizzard. They realized that Mac user group is growing and will keep growing. Can play WoW, Diablo, Starcraft all thesee in native clients. I’m repeting myself again but Cider is not the way to go and never will be. Love GW2 and would leave WoW directly if or when GW2 will have native client for Mac. its still in beta and I honestly hope that Cide will be only in beta. Performance with Cider is just way to poor to enjoy the game.

WvW is virtually unplayable in this lame Cider client even on a super high powered Mac. It’s just really unacceptable.

I’d rather them not even offer a “Mac client” than to offer this. It’s really not fair that Mac users will suffer with the really poor framerates of this Cider client because they won’t be able to be competitive in much of the game (WvW and SPVP). It’s not worth it and isn’t going to sway anyone that uses a Mac to get the game (and be happy with it anyway).

Valdoron.7821:

Yeah, so back to the topic, the only reason I care about the Mac client is so I don’t have to restart into Windows, so I’m certainly not on the same level of desperation as some people in this forum are, but diabluz, have you looked into installing Bootcamp? You can do so from your Bootcamp utility app and all you need is your own Windows installation disk. You can install Windows 7 or XP or whatever. Here’s a how to on it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2JbvkdcfVY Personally, I’d rather spend the money on a copy of Windows than wait for a native Mac client. For those of you on a Mac Book, you can still do this if you don’t have a secondary HD by simply partitioning off part of your HD for Windows.

Yeah, I have Windows 7 on bootcamp but the thing is who wants to buy a Mac to use Windows on it? My entire digital life is done within the Apple ecosystem. It’s a big pain in the kitten to use Windows for anything not to mention unpleasant.

I appreciate the suggestion but really it’s a lame workaround for us. We shouldn’t have to resort to leaving the Apple ecosystem just to play a game. With iOS being heavily integrated in OSX now with notifications and iMessage etc it’s very disjointed to be in Windows.

I’m on Darkhaven and have been since launch. I’m confused about our server though. I was under the impression that it is a North American (west coast) server. Which is why I selected it to begin with (along with the name).

My issue is that the day WvW is very weak and underpopulated while our overnight crew is well populated. I’ve heard some people mention the reason for this is we have a heavy Aussie population on the server but then others have debunked that theory. So what gives? What is up with Darkhaven?

I’m primarily able to play during the day as I am on the west coast and it’s not fun to play in WvW when you’re extremely outnumbered.

Anyone know what truly is up with our servers pop imbalance?

Korrigan.4837:

Thanks

Well, I have a 80 fully decked in exotic armor, and with 100% world exploration, yet I still don’t see the end of this game. No matter what mindset I have when I log in, I always have something to do.

Well, that bodes well for my future enjoyment of the game.

Korrigan.4837:

44 (birthday October 12th), not seeing the end of it.

Happy belated birthday! I’m in my late 30’s and enjoy this game quite a bit still. I haven’t reached cap yet though as I’ve been taking my time and don’t play every single day. Maybe it has more to do with how often/much someone plays the game rather than their age. I would assume the under 30 crowd generally has more time on their hands and have blown through a lot of the content already.

Just a thought.

TheFatness.5072:

I agree twice here. I have been a hardcore raider within my MMO home of WoW since before the game went public. I’ve devoted all my time to grinding rep, grinding gear, grinding tokens, currency etc. I’ve tried kitten near every MMO to ever come out since WoW. The only thing on my mind throughout the entire process of me playing is, level cap is where the game matters, must go as fast as possible no matter what. It’s been engrained in my mind that nothing is important unless I am max level.

I think that’s ultimately where I am losing out in terms of all MMO’s, especially this one. I just wanna be max level, because that must be where the game starts. A perfect example of this is the new WoW expansion. Theres some new 1-10 content, but the entirety of the expansion is based around getting to level 90, then doing dailies and heroics till your eyes bleed, then do raids till your eyes bleed. Aside from the pet battles, and pvp, I don’t see anything else to do. Which is why I am so burnt out away from WoW right now. I have been doing it for so long, I just don’t feel like doing it anymore. I hate doing the same thing over and over and over, especially when the reward is so minimal.

I want to get away from WoW. I know I am a great player, and I know so much about the game, but the game is going in a direction that I feel is destined to ruin it’s fan base. The grind, that those casual players they have been catering to for so long now, is eventually going to make them burnt out and tired of doing the same quests every day. The first content patch is supposed to hit for MOP in a month or two, and guess what it’s bringing? More grindy dailies. I loved the grind back when WoW first game out, because I was in high school, and could spend all day running the same crap. I just don’t want to feel like I HAVE to logon to do my dailies everyday or I will be left out in the long run.

Ideally, I think if I can make some friends in the game I will enjoy it more. I literally have no friends IRL or in game. So it’s hard for me to make friends anywhere. I try to make them in game, but the WoW community has put me off trying to be nice to people because everyone is such a selfish prick in WoW.

I don’t know. I belong on an MMO, I just don’t know where anymore. I have no friends left in MMO’s, and if I know anyone on WoW, they are just biding time until something else comes out. Most people only seem to play WoW because they have nothing better to do, which is mostly why I play it. I kind of feel like for once, I have something better to do, and that is play Guild Wars. I just need to find some friends to enjoy it with.

I hope you all can understand, I don’t think OP is trying to flame the game or say the game is destined for failure. Statistically this game has been the best, or 2nd or close 3rd most successfully launched in recent memory. SWTOR is doomed, and no other MMO’s are worth mentioning. RIFT, has that niche fan base just like the original Guild Wars did, and that’s why it has so many hardcore fans. I foresee this game having that same niche, I just think some players had expectations for this as they did SWTOR and those expectations cannot be met.

I’m sure that there are some people here in this thread that have guilds that would be more than happy to have you. I have found that the community in this game (not on the forums) does seem to be fairly nice and a little more mature than some other games.

I started playing Wow in vanilla as well and I never at the time had this rush to get to cap. The games leveling was slower and more tedious back then for sure and often times frustrating but the game at that time was more about the entire game rather than just the last 2 percent. I agree that this rush to cap to park and raid mentality ruins MMO’s and in my opinion what destroyed the experience of WoW for me.

I tired of WoW long ago and couldn’t even bear to log into the game anymore. It got so bad that as soon as I would see that loading screen and hear the music I would start cringing. The game just became so laborious and not fun. Everything had been seen and it was all way too familiar. The only thing that kept me as long as I was there was nostalgia quite frankly and after Cata trashed all the old zones that was gone. WoW is old and tired and nothing could ever make me enjoy that game again.

tolunart.2095:

Calling a 10-foot high mound of dirt a mountain doesn’t make it a mountain.

There is always a crowd of people saying Game X is dying/dead. I looked up the websites of some of those dead games last month, there were updates about new patches and new content. Obviously there are people still playing the games and people still spending money on them, or the servers would have shut down.

A handful of games have shut down, for various reasons not always because of lack of players. What’s the latest game to shut down, City of Heroes or somesuch? It seems to still have a lot of people interested in it, the game wasn’t shut down because everyone left.

Rift was pronounced DOA but it made $100 million in 10 months and they put that money back into the game to expand it faster than any other game and develop the first expansion that is about to be released. There are still people playing it and it’s still making a profit.

WoW has lost millions of players over the last year, probably more because companies often hire people who find ways to manipulate the numbers when the news is that bad. But they’ve dropped maybe 25% or more of their subscriber base. MOP isn’t selling as well as they thought, and people have already rushed through the content and started complaining they have run out of “stuff” to do. WoW is dying, obviously, and isn’t worth talking about because no one plays it any more.

Except for the 8 or 9 million who do.

People interpret things the way they want to see them. GW2 is a niche game, GW was a niche game, neither was created to appeal to the WoW-loving crowd and for the most part they don’t. But there are enough people who do not want to play WoW that these games can be successful.

The lack of a monthly fee makes the current population less important than the number of boxes sold. Anyone who has bought the game can put it down or pick it up at any time without affecting the game itself. Six months from now if people who left because of bugs or bots want to check in to see how things have improved, they can do so without paying another cent. This makes it more likely that people will return from time to time than if it was a subscription-based MMO that cost another $15 to return to for a month.

I agree with much of what you say but I will add that even though this game is buy to play with no monthly sub ArenaNet is still counting on people sticking with the game month after month to generate revenue with the gem shop. If people aren’t engaged with the game and addicted and playing often they wont be spending money in the gem shop which means ArenaNets revenue is decreased significantly. I assure you that box sales alone will not fiscally support this game.

WoW has seen so many expansions and updates because of its continued success. I guarantee you if WoW were a niche game from the beginning it would not still be around today at least not in the capacity it is today. ArenaNet needs to figure out how they’re going to make the game more appealing to the majority of MMO gamers if they have big aspirations for this game.

If we want this game to be around in 7 years time with 4 or more expansions under its belt and still be thriving it’s going to take a lot more mass appeal than it has now.

TheFatness.5072:

I unfortunately think I am in somewhat of a similar boat with OP.

Right now, I currently play GW2 and WoW. Whenever I am on WoW, I want to be playing GW2, whenever I am on GW2 I want to be on WoW. I feel like I should be on the other game because I am wasting time that I could be leveling.

However, I feel inclined to be on WoW because I know that game like the back of my hand, and I know everything about it. With Guild Wars, I unfortunately see tons of forum posts about how bad it is, no end game, etc.

I enjoy the game, it feels different, and I enjoy the gameplay, to an extent. It does feel grindy already and I am only level 15. I also feel as though I am sort of playing a single player game, because sure I always see people, but no one ever talks, etc. Maybe it’s because I am on a lower pop server, or it’s because my guild is super inactive.

I just fear for the games future like the OP does. Everyone was so hyped about SWTOR, and RIFT. SWTOR sold just as many copies if not more than GW2 at launch and that game is heading down a dark path right now. The heads of Bioware left the company because of how badly everything is going.

On the other hand, I fear not being good enough to strive in GW2 like I do in WoW. I am a beast tank on all the tank classes in WoW. I don’t PvP because I am filthy awful at it. That’s one of the biggest fears I have with GW2. What if I suck at this game in PvP like I do in WoW? I will never be accepted into most communities, because GW2 is all about PvP. It’s been that way since GW1.

I want Guild Wars to be a success, but I dont feel like it’s going to be. Maybe I just need a better guild or server. All I know is, I’ve never had such a hard time choosing which MMO to play. I bounce back and forth between the two all day. Go on WoW, level and alt easily or do redundant dailies. Or go on GW2, feel like Im in a single player game, enjoy the change of combat etc, but still feel like I am grinding my way through the same stuff just to hit 80. I enjoy both games, and I can honestly for the first time say that I don’t enjoy WoW more than anything else. I enjoy them both about equally. I just don’t know what to do. WoW is a dying game, albeit a long ways away from dying, they just keep making too many mistakes and honestly they’ve been giving us rehashed content for 4 years.

Flame on friends, I come here to vent and to hopefully gain insight on the decision I will ultimately need to make. I enjoy both games, and don’t consider myself bias or partial one way or the other.

That’s the sad thing about these communities in MMO’s. They will attack you if you say anything negative about the game they like. I’ve stated repeatedly in this thread that I love this game BUT I am part of a minority that does.

I’m not playing any other MMO currently besides GW2 and don’t have any interest in any others. I have played them all at one point or another and aside from WoW back when I first played it in vanilla GW2 has been the most enjoyable.

People in this thread say they want numbers and proof and then when you show them metrics that can measure how interest in the game has declined dramatically they say it’s not the right kind of numbers they were looking for.

I’ve seen this SO many times before in other games. There are always some that will prefer to bury their head in the sand. I guess in hopes that they can prevent the inevitable realization by rest of the community? I’m not really sure, I don’t get the thought process.

But adding to your observations on the game I will say that a huge issue for some seems to be the lack of the trinity system. Every other MMO I can think of has had roles for players and most MMO players are accustomed to picking a class that fits that role that they enjoy playing in a dungeon/raid/pvp etc. That doesn’t exist here and I think that is turning a huge portion of the MMO crowd off.

Believe it or not people like having a specific role to play in a group setting and enjoy the reward of being responsible for healing a group or tanking a boss etc.

I have no problem saying I love this game so those of you calling me a troll for starting this thread are just flaming and trying to deflect from the real issue here which is that this game isn’t having the mass appeal it needs to have longevity in the MMO scene.

Stevoli.8795:

diabluz.2860:

Every time a ostrich comes up I’m going to respond with this.

Wake up call!!!

Again, look at the top games… those are all eSport games. OF COURSE they are going to have higher number of viewers. Using that as your argument is like saying people aren’t interested in football because they aren’t watching live streams of a guy in his back yard throwing a football around.

Diablo 3 is NOT an esports game, neither is WoW. Even Diablo 3 has more interest and that is largely regarded to be a failure but has more interest than GW2 does and GW2 has only been out for a little over a month.

Stevoli.8795:

diabluz.2860:

That is where you are so totally wrong. Most people don’t like this game. Most people actually find this game boring and have left. Hence the title of the thread, Welcome to the Minority.

If by “most” you mean your little group of friends, then sure. Otherwise, you’re just doing a bad job at trolling.

Every time a ostrich comes up I’m going to respond with this.

Wake up call!!!

Genius.

Finding some of the hidden areas/passages in this game reminds me of playing Metroid as a kid and finding a new hidden path/upgrade etc. One of my favorite aspects of this game if not my most favorite.

It will be a game changer in the future for the MMO genre.

Tirien.1326:

See what you are doing OP it’s fairly obvious.

If gw1 worked, gw2 will work aswell. No worries, i usually don’t care what other people say, i’m afterall strong not weak Cough.

It’s very rare that a game dies, look around you so many games that have been “dead” since release and yet are still here. Why bother to speculate, you have no idea what will happen next week let alone a few years from now. But gw1 has been with us for 7 years, and gw2 with its hype and amazing gameplay/PvP it will be with us for atleast 10 years, why not you know.. just go with it.

Speculate all you want, but if gw1 managed gw2 will manage… Since most people like this game i see nothing to be worried about.

That is where you are so totally wrong. Most people don’t like this game. Most people actually find this game boring and have left. Hence the title of the thread, Welcome to the Minority.

Flabber Babble.8720:

In all seriousness, it’s sad to think that your enjoyment of something could be influenced so heavily by someone else’s opinion. Calm down, put away your “end is nigh” picket sign, and find some people to play with.

Even if your friends did leave the game, they still have their accounts and will be welcomed back if/whenever they decide to give it another go. Coming back to GW2 doesn’t require any sort of commitment, and. Being away WON’T put you at a disadvantage in terms of gear/progression. Most players know and realize that ANet is not holding them captive.

Basically, don’t panic if a few people you know move on to other things.

I addressed this line of thinking earlier but I will repeat it for you. I don’t need anyones approval to like or dislike something. I have been marching to the beat of my own drummer since a kid. What I did say though was that this is an MMO and community is crucial, people logging in daily and participating in events/WvW and buying things from the gem shop is crucial to long term success.

If you like this game, want it to be successful and continue to see updates/additions then you better hope that this game starts to garner more fans and interest.

Xericor.9103:

Invoking the mighty ‘twitchtv’ again…
Didnt we nail this in a post a few days ago? Viewers are down for a multitude of reasons, none of which spell doom for the game…

Twitch is just one of many metrics you can use to gauge current interest in GW2. Xsplit is one of the other many ways you can see that interest/people playing it has declined immensely since launch.

I’m done trying to argue the obvious. Like others have said, denying that there is an issue isn’t going to make it go away. You can deny all you want, it will not change the facts.

I’m going to use a very simple and easy to understand visual for those head in sand people. If you go to this page on Twitch you’ll see the games with the most viewers which is a very good gauge of current interest in that game in the gaming community. As you can see Guild Wars 2 is way down on that list. The game started out at a much higher spot when it came out but has been in a constant decline since.

This is what we refer to in the Marketing community as an example of metrics. Interest in Guild Wars 2 is low and that is a huge issue since the game has only been out for a little over a month.

Yes, this game reviewed exceptionally well but reviewers do not make the game successful. What makes the game a success is money, people buying the game and then staying in the game and buying things in the gem shop. The reviewers don’t line ArenaNets pockets we the gamers do and if the majority of us aren’t interested then the game will fail regardless of how great reviewers think it is.

ostracize.8316:

There’s no such thing as a general MMO community, because MMO isn’t a true genre by itself. If you’re going to boards like GameFAQs to ask about Guild Wars that’s why you think the gaming community doesn’t like the game. GameFAQs players hate everything.

No one is referring to boards/forums etc. Most of us play in guilds either in other games or this game and see when people lose interest in the game when they stop logging in or they go back to other games they played previously. This isn’t rocket science people.

Stop denying the problem. Ignoring it or denying the issue doesn’t make it go away.

TransparentlyOpaque.1824:

So you go to another games website, and try to tell them this game is better? Im sure that went over well…… Going to another video games website and saying a different game is better is like insulting someones baby- they are not going to like what you have to say, and probably be offended. If you expected anything other than defensive remarks, then you must be very young or new to the internet.

This game has a lot of support. Period. Majority positive review and reception. Also, the game has respectful developers who actually participate with the community and acknowledge issues.

The game has not even posted its first major update yet. That will be telling about how the game will be supported further down the line. Only a week to go and then we will see what is in store for the future.

Who said anything about another games website? I have a huge pool of friends that play MMO’s both from real life and ones that I have met over the years playing other MMO’s and I’m telling you right now this game is not doing well in the MMO community. Yes, it has reviewed well but it is not appealing to the majority of the MMO gamers out there.

Like I said I’ve seen this so many times before in games like Aion, Warhammer, Rift, Tera etc. and it’s always the same thing. The very small segment of the MMO community that likes the game sticks their head in the sand and denies denies denies. The only difference is this time I actually like the game in question and want to see it succeed but I know that it will fail if something doesn’t change real quickly and it might already be too late. Not many people are likely to return to a game they’ve already decided they don’t like.

capnflummox.3082:

Mars.6319:

Don’t worry about what “other” people think. Play the game when it’s fun. Stop when it’s not. Do your own thing.

An MMO’s lifeblood is what “other” people think. You can’t just stick your head in the sand on this one. I know that we’d all like to think that trick will work. But bottom line is if the community isn’t there, then there won’t be anyone to play with. Which is the entire point of an MMO.

You’re totally right. I’ve seen this happen with many MMO’s since WoW. The community in the game that likes it denies that the lack of players is an issue. Like you say they’d rather just stick their head in the sand.

Mars.6319:

Don’t worry about what “other” people think. Play the game when it’s fun. Stop when it’s not. Do your own thing.

I don’t need anyone elses approval to like this game. That’s not what I’m saying. What I’m getting at is the more people that like this game and play it the more content we will see and the longer it will be supported.

ArenaNet isn’t going to sink a lot of time and money into supporting something that only appeals to a very small niche crowd. We need more people to like and enjoy this game if we want to see it grow for years to come.

Unfortunately it seems as if this game isn’t doing very well with the average MMO gamer. There is a TON of negativity in the MMO community towards this game.

If you bring up Guild Wars 2 in a MMO community you’re swamped with “GW2 blows”, “GW2 sucks” etc. They usually seem to dislike the leveling and say it’s boring, grindy and monotonous. I’ve heard complaints that it’s “not fun” and there’s “no end game”.

Question is how long can this game be supported if the majority of the MMO community sees it as a failure already just a month past release?

I love the game still BUT I know that an MMO is dependent on having a large loyal community if it wants to stay fun and receive constant updates/improvements etc.

It seems that those of us that like this game are vastly outnumbered and the WvW and dynamic events in this game need people to work properly.

Thoughts?

They are making a native Mac client for LOTRO now after the fact. If they can do for a free to play game then ArenaNet should most definitely be able to do it for this game.

Marko.4065:

I like the idea in general. Imo WvW should be the way servers decide who is “the best” and PvE could feature in some small way. It would definitely give a better sense of “realm pride” as well as a sense of purpose, something PvE is severely lacking at the moment.

HOWEVER, extra special care should be taken that there is no forced PvE-ing which sometimes did happen in WAR, with leaders sending players away to do PvE in order to help out the RvR effort. A WvW player should always be more useful towards winning in WvW than a PvE one. That being said, a server-wide cry “Let’s kill/conquer so-and-so to help our boys and for the glory of the Realm” wouldn’t be a bad thing at all…

I agree with you. To me it only makes sense that since WvW benefits PVE on the server that the PVE should in turn benefit WvW. That way as you say everyone on the server feels like they are contributing to their servers standing and everyone can feel prideful about their server/contribution.

This way everyone gets what they want. WvW’ers get to fight their kitten off while earning benefits for their PVE loving brethren and feel like they stand a chance no matter what server they call home and PVE’ers get to slaughter mobs in dyanamic events and dungeons and contribute to their fellow WvW’ers fun without having to PVP.

Everyone on the server benefits from the contributions from both sides.
It would be up to ArenaNet to work out the details of what those benefits would be for WvW but I’m sure they could figure that out.

What I am suggesting has nothing to do with forcing PVE’ers to have anything more to do with PVP. It is a way for PVP centric players to be able to stay on a PVE heavy server and still feel like they can be competitive.

With the system ArenaNet has in place currently WvW is a total failure if you’re not on a server that has a lot of WvW focused people.

PVE on every server would be the same as it is now except now that PVE content completion would have stat bonuses for WvW.

Vayra.3290:

I feel this is a bad idea as it would provide too much benefit to servers with a high population. The only thing that gives smaller servers a fighting chance now is that there is a max number of players in WvW at any given point, if the high pop servers get more boni from their PvE players as well that will utterly destroy any low pop server.

It would have to be adjusted for server pop levels. For example maybe it could go by population and percentage of participation in events. Not the number of events or PVE items done daily but the percentage based upon daily logins.

This would be a way to try and balance WvW a little bit better across all severs.

As it stands now a lot of WvW players have migrated to pvp centric servers because ArenaNet refuses to stop free server transfers so if there were a bonus system that benefitted WvW based upon daily server wide dynamic event and pve completion this could help level the playing field between pve and pvp centric servers in WvW.

The bonuses could be to stats while in WvW like toughness, power, precision bumps etc or they could be to toughness of supply yaks or keeps etc. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

This would be a way to try and balance WvW a little bit better across all severs.

As it stands now a lot of WvW players have migrated to pvp centric servers because ArenaNet refuses to stop free server transfers so if there were a bonus system that benefitted WvW based upon daily server wide dynamic event and pve completion this could help level the playing field between pve and pvp centric servers in WvW.

The bonuses could be to stats while in WvW like toughness, power, precision bumps etc or they could be to toughness of supply yaks or keeps etc. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

I’m going to post this here as well as in the WvW section. Server transfers are totally destorying WvW. Why are you still allowing them ArenaNet? It makes no sense. It’s obvious that most people are lazy and rather than try to improve WvW on their server they will just flee to one that is better thus ruining WvW on many of the servers.

This should have been stopped long ago and is way overdue. Make it happen or face losing the PVP crowd you do have left

Todd.8162:

No one has the “right” to use the Mac Beta Client Tech Support forum to ask whatever question they want to Arena Net. The forum has a purpose. That purpose is not for nagging to get gossip on what new products may or may not be in development.

It makes a difference to me to clear the forum of useless noise and concentrate on legitimate bugs and problems to be solved to improve the current Mac client.

There really is no need for arguing here. You’re just trying to incite something to get the thread closed because you for whatever reason don’t approve of it. Quit being an kitten and trying to be the forum Nazi.

This is a very legitimate question and not at all too much to expect that we should be able to get an answer to this very simple question.

I might also add that this Cider client is NOT up to par. Performance is really kitteny and it’s nearly impossible to play in WvW using this Mac client due to horribly low frame rates/performance. This Cider client is unacceptable and being forced to dual boot to play in virus laden Windows is not acceptable. If they wont make a native Mac client many of us will just leave and play something that does have a native Mac client. There are devs out there that understand and profit from understanding the importance of having a native Mac client.

This is the last time I will address your attacks/unfair criticisms of this topic as I’m not going to engage in a bickering match and I don’t want this thread sidetracked and subsequently closed.

I apologize to Fun if he was just trying to help and felt I was rude with my reply. The way I took it though was like, hey this topic has already been discussed in this thread so why are you creating a new one?

If that wasn’t your intention then it was my misunderstanding and I apologize if my reply seemed critical of you, Fun.

The reason why I created this thread as is though and with the title I did is so it’s clear that I’m looking for an answer from ArenaNet as I’m sure we all are. This is really something that needs to be answered by ArenaNet. We can discuss it and theorize but they are the only ones with the answer that we’re all wanting and they should be providing that answer.

None of us need speculation from the community. I’m looking for an answer straight from ArenaNet. Any answer that comes from any other source besides ArenaNet is a guess and that helps no one.

It’s not a difficult question to answer. I don’t see what should be so difficult about them answering whether they are or aren’t going to release a native Mac client.

Could you please tell us if this will be the only Mac client you will be releasing (Cider port) or if you are working on a native Mac client?

Thanks

DaedalusDragon.3754:

TransparentlyOpaque.1824:

diabluz.2860:

TransparentlyOpaque.1824:

Hughs.6549:

The main problem in gw2 is that playing the game is not rewarding, at all. They’ve designed an amazing world here, wonderful cities except the charr one xD (Divinity’s reach feels so pleasant) but this is not enough to make people wanna keep playing.

Dungeons are not working so well … too easy, no strategy, bosses are boring as hell, and you have to grind in that poor PVE environment for what ? a few skins ?

Players need to feel rewarded for their efforts, they want to be proud when they complete a dungeon and say “YEAAAAHHHHHHH guys well played that was EPIC !” when they complete the very end game. They want their reward (weapon/armor ..) to be pretty rare which makes it more valuable and shiny. (not that stupid huge legendary grind)

GuildWars 2’s end game .. Zhaitan ? big joke, last boss of TA afk mode? cmon … well i don’t know, there’s just no end game. No carrot.

Atm, everything is just .. easy, tasteless. There’s no epic challenge, no epic reward, just .. shallow.

So once you’ve completed the exploration (100% world), explo dungeons, got your easy to get skin, experienced the “oh, a 20 ppl zerg just popped next to me in WvWvW.. i’m dead.”

You’re done.

You’re done? Except you’re here……

There is not much negativity with the game. The people who come up with negativity are clearly teenagers with too much time on their hands and excessive emo angst.

There are some good constructive criticism threads, but this is just one that will end up closed. There is nothing to discuss here except anecdotal stories about “friends” and rumors. Which is great, if you are in high school.

I find your comments, assumptions and attacks on the validity of my post extremely insulting. You know nothing about me or my age. I assure you I am MUCH older than a teenager and I can tell you that the 4 people I personally know that have already left the game are all different ages ranging from 15 to 28.

There is a valid concern here and it would be nice if we could get a response from an ArenaNet person on if they have plans to address a lot of these issues or if they are satisfied with many hardcore MMO players leaving the game.

It’s people like you that get threads closed. This thread was started with good intentions to encourage discussion and opinion and instead you come in here and start throwing around insults. Now, who did you say was being “high school”?

If you don’t have anything to add really and your only goal is to insult then perhaps you should just post elsewhere.

I do not intend to be insulting, im just questioning what the goal of this thread is ultimately.

The thread title is "So much negativtly lately is GW2 DOOMED? That is not a great start to a productive thread.

Then you go on to say they need to rework the game. And touch on “lack of endgame” for “hardcore” players. These are broad, sweeping, negative and vague commentary, what are you asking for an ANET dev to respond to exactly?

I think you will get a response from an ANET employee, saying this thread is closed.

Again, please leave the topic if you really have nothing to say. I find it personally insulting that you insist that you weren’t trying to be insulting with the statements that you made… I hate it when people don’t like things because they are “negative”. Oh I’m sorry, did I make you sad? This game deserves a lot of both positive and negative comments.

I would just ignore any further comments/insults from him. They mostly close threads when they turn into insult ridden bickering.

I see no reason for them to close this thread as long as we are having constructive discussion, as we are.

Rhyse.8176:

Everyone needs to get past this “endgame” idea. Endgame is nothing more then a name for bad game design. GW2 just wasn’t made that way; and the complaints were addressed several weeks ago.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/the-endgame-reimagined/

Arena Net

We didn’t want the endgame to be something you could only experience after a hundred hours of gameplay or after you reached some arbitrary number. We wanted it to be something that players got to experience every step along the way, spread out across the entire world of Tyria, so we’ve introduced game elements that you’d normally associate with “endgame” at every level and every possible opportunity.

I think what people are complaining about in all actuality when they say there’s no “end game” is the lack of a carrot on a stick for them. They want to raid over and over and over to try to achieve that super hard to get item or whatever. I think the lack of raiding is what is turning the no “end game” crowd off to this game.

TransparentlyOpaque.1824:

Hughs.6549:

The main problem in gw2 is that playing the game is not rewarding, at all. They’ve designed an amazing world here, wonderful cities except the charr one xD (Divinity’s reach feels so pleasant) but this is not enough to make people wanna keep playing.

Dungeons are not working so well … too easy, no strategy, bosses are boring as hell, and you have to grind in that poor PVE environment for what ? a few skins ?

Players need to feel rewarded for their efforts, they want to be proud when they complete a dungeon and say “YEAAAAHHHHHHH guys well played that was EPIC !” when they complete the very end game. They want their reward (weapon/armor ..) to be pretty rare which makes it more valuable and shiny. (not that stupid huge legendary grind)

GuildWars 2’s end game .. Zhaitan ? big joke, last boss of TA afk mode? cmon … well i don’t know, there’s just no end game. No carrot.

Atm, everything is just .. easy, tasteless. There’s no epic challenge, no epic reward, just .. shallow.

So once you’ve completed the exploration (100% world), explo dungeons, got your easy to get skin, experienced the “oh, a 20 ppl zerg just popped next to me in WvWvW.. i’m dead.”

You’re done.

You’re done? Except you’re here……

There is not much negativity with the game. The people who come up with negativity are clearly teenagers with too much time on their hands and excessive emo angst.

There are some good constructive criticism threads, but this is just one that will end up closed. There is nothing to discuss here except anecdotal stories about “friends” and rumors. Which is great, if you are in high school.

I find your comments, assumptions and attacks on the validity of my post extremely insulting. You know nothing about me or my age. I assure you I am MUCH older than a teenager and I can tell you that the 4 people I personally know that have already left the game are all different ages ranging from 15 to 28.

There is a valid concern here and it would be nice if we could get a response from an ArenaNet person on if they have plans to address a lot of these issues or if they are satisfied with many hardcore MMO players leaving the game.

It’s people like you that get threads closed. This thread was started with good intentions to encourage discussion and opinion and instead you come in here and start throwing around insults. Now, who did you say was being “high school”?

If you don’t have anything to add really and your only goal is to insult then perhaps you should just post elsewhere.

I’ve been seeing and hearing so much negativity towards the game lately from IRL friends that bought the game at launch and here in the forums.

I’m still enjoying the game a lot but granted my highest level toon is only 46. Out of a group of 6 of us that bought the game at launch only 2 of us are still playing. The other 4 said they already got bored either because they feel the heart/quest system is boring and too monotonous or the lack of “end game” made them quit playing.

Can this game be successful in the long term without those types of people or does ArenaNet have some kind of plan to overhaul some aspects of the game to appeal to a wider audience?