I see where you’re coming from. I really do. Crab Toss is a godawful minigame. Just terrible in so many ways. But, asking ANet to remove it from the dailies seems pretty needy. Just don’t do it. Pretend it’s in the PvP section.
I’m sure “plenty” of people do like the AC changes. But I’d be willing to bet a significant majority of the WvW population does not. And that’s an assumption based purely off the comments in this thread, never mind what I’ve heard in map and guild chat on my server.
We were holding Mendon’s the other day. The enemy had a significant numbers advantage. We had the choke advantage. Not too long ago, it would have been a test of whether a smaller force with a narrow fighting space could win against numbers. Now, the enemy team simply flash-builds arrow carts with insane range and power at the breach and creeps forward. Instead of players fighting players, it became a matter of who could build the most arrow carts and hide behind them.
It’s not just boring, it’s not fun. At all. I didn’t sign up for WvW just to watch people hunker behind arrow carts. What’s the point of theory crafting? What’s the point of even coordinating a group build at all when nobody wants to fight? No, thank you, but no. It’s broken. I really don’t mind the idea that ACs exist as an anti-personnel weapon. But they’ve morphed from a support item to a crutch. When the game has turned into who can build the most arrow carts the fastest, how can that not be seen as a broken element? I know I’m now curtailing my time in the mists until they fix it. I go into the game to fight other players, not crouch behind siege and turtle. I don’t think I’m in the minority in that opinion.
If it was just spawn camping, I wouldn’t be visiting this thread. That is certainly not the entirety of it. Also, I can rightly say it was ‘more than a few’. I know. I saw it.
Anyway. This conversation is bordering on the redundant, so I’m going to call it gg. <3 Take it to HoD and ET this week, FC.
You caught me. I am a major kitten. Alas. I will work on becoming less of a kitten. Lots of defensive GoM out there today. I’d think with the moving on up and getting away from the T8 plebes, one would be above this muck rolling. Maybe it’s a ploy. The more of you on here responding, the less in the game farming now-meaningless PPT for GoM.
Perhaps if GoM was populated by more people like bokkieskitten, then I’d have no need to be disgusted, eh? Either way, I stand by my words. And I know a lot of other people in Ferguson’s Crossing feel the same way. If that’s not copacetic with the sudden deluge of starry-eyed and rainbow good wishes suddenly coming in, there’s probably a reason for that.
Yet, I’ll be the first to admit that Moobs has made a valid point: To the respectable guilds and players on GoM, I salute you. Give ’em hell.
For all the supposed good will GoM is spouting right now, they’ve been punk kittenes for the past 24 hours. I don’t know what will happen to you guys when you go back up to t7, but I hope you get stomped. And please don’t speak of class anymore or fake ‘good lucks’. Ugh. Tasteless at this point. At least be honest and tell Ferg to go kitten themselves, since that’s basically been the gist of the day.
If you want to leave this tier with any good will, go play Super Adventure Box while FC and ET duke it out for rights to blue.
The score is what it is because GoM has a rocking night crew. Some nights it’s nearly impossible to hold onto what we have, let alone gain ground. Our BS guys are talented but they can’t field the numbers we’d like. WTB more Ferg’s for night capping.
Every time I read about this supposed FC/GoM tag-teaming, I QQ inside. Because GoM and ET have never, ever both run up FCBL at the same time, have they?
Oh. Wait.
There’s no tag-teaming. There’s no alliance. There’s no conspiracy. ET just has blood in the water and we’re all circling it at the moment. And, yeah, we lost our upgraded Bay and Garrison to GoM. But I’m okay with that when I get to wipe a whole, whole, whole bunch of ET.
see that’s the thing I don’t understand, you leave the door wide open for GoM to take Garrison and Bay but stop ET from taking 1 hill (seems like they left the door wide open for their garrison for you to take as well) im not saying their is an alliance going on but it sure does seem like it, I very rarely see GoM and FC hit each others BL but if they do its just 1 tower or camps.
I guess we’re looking at the same maps, but we’re interpreting it differently. Yeah, we were defending ET off of Hills while GoM was taking our other keeps. They also took all of our kitten in EB. However, better to consolidate forces in one places and, you know, actually win a fight then split everyone up and lose everywhere.
Besides, take it as a compliment. ET is still a better scrum than GoM.
Every time I read about this supposed FC/GoM tag-teaming, I QQ inside. Because GoM and ET have never, ever both run up FCBL at the same time, have they?
Oh. Wait.
There’s no tag-teaming. There’s no alliance. There’s no conspiracy. ET just has blood in the water and we’re all circling it at the moment. And, yeah, we lost our upgraded Bay and Garrison to GoM. But I’m okay with that when I get to wipe a whole, whole, whole bunch of ET.
So good news I guess, based on the fact that T8 scoring still doesn’t seem right, we’re still losing more points solidifying our place within T8……
Honestly, though I know that we’re not winning by the huge margins that SF was, we’re solidly winning again this week, and losing more points, again. So short of SF completely kicking the poo out of HoD before they go up a bracket, we’re not going anywhere
You say that like it’s a bad thing. Our relationship here in T8 is only just beginning, and you’re thinking about moving out? For shame. We’ve barely even gotten past 1st base.
Mhm, we may of not taken Garrison but your commander seems to of missed the part where you lost a full upgraded bay as well as you losing SM while you defended garrison. Nice to see you post one side of the story :p
Credit to [BOSS] for gathering and commanding that GoM force.
I consider being massively outnumbered at Garrison — with GoM on the inner wall — and not losing it a win. Bay or no Bay. And I don’t give two squirts of kitten about SM. More of a pain in the kitten to hold than anything. But, hey, if you think it’s a win, congrats. Way to throw bodies against doors until they fall.
Credit to [CR] in showing that tactics and coordination will almost always prevail over sheer numbers.
I’m saying it was a perfect assault, i wasn’t there for the whole thing but after losing SM to a golem rush your team obviously wanted to take SM. To think that we ‘lost’ by failing to take Garrison isn’t right, otherwise we’d still be holding them but we obviously did enough as we’re now in first place xD
I think you’ve miss understood.. I don’t think he’s saying you lost because you didn’t get garrison.. He’s saying you lost because you died, and those of you who didn’t die, ran with your tails tucked between your legs.:)
Exactly. He naively thinks we’re overtly concerned about PPT. The amazing thing about being constantly outnumbered by opponents in our tier is that PPT starts to lose meaning. Enjoy first place. You got the coverage for it. I just want to kill you en masse. It makes my soul warm.
Mhm, we may of not taken Garrison but your commander seems to of missed the part where you lost a full upgraded bay as well as you losing SM while you defended garrison. Nice to see you post one side of the story :p
Credit to [BOSS] for gathering and commanding that GoM force.
I consider being massively outnumbered at Garrison — with GoM on the inner wall — and not losing it a win. Bay or no Bay. And I don’t give two squirts of kitten about SM. More of a pain in the kitten to hold than anything. But, hey, if you think it’s a win, congrats. Way to throw bodies against doors until they fall.
Credit to [CR] in showing that tactics and coordination will almost always prevail over sheer numbers.
No offense to GoM but when equal number and usually doouble teams are going on against them (aka during weekend) they probably won’t do well
When we (GoM) have equal numbers, we generally crush our opponents. This has been the case against many of our previous foes. We run a lot of guerrilla tactic squads which handle themselves quite well against considerably larger forces all the time.
I have yet to see that. All I see is either A. GoM running or wiping when numbers are equal or B. GoM crushing with overwhelming numbers against smaller forces.
Not a troll post. Just what I see. If I come across something deviating from the norm, I’ll be the first to report it.
Really? Because I (solo) backdoor’d 8 fergies taking a tower this morning and after killing all of them took the tower myself. So I’m shocked to hear about GOM running with equal numbers… considering you guys can lose 8v1 fights.
Congratulations. You’re very good. But I wasn’t there, so I’ll just have to take your word for it. And you’ll have to take mine. If you choose not to, oh well. Won’t lose much sleep over it.
No offense to GoM but when equal number and usually doouble teams are going on against them (aka during weekend) they probably won’t do well
When we (GoM) have equal numbers, we generally crush our opponents. This has been the case against many of our previous foes. We run a lot of guerrilla tactic squads which handle themselves quite well against considerably larger forces all the time.
I have yet to see that. All I see is either A. GoM running or wiping when numbers are equal or B. GoM crushing with overwhelming numbers against smaller forces.
Not a troll post. Just what I see. If I come across something deviating from the norm, I’ll be the first to report it.
Your zergs are uncoordinated and full of zerkers. I watched 10 of your zerg earlier today chase one Ferg, allowing us to wipe the rest outside of Anz. Whilst I appreciate the loot bags, I know you can do better than this.
I just started the living story content and I saw the Braham model. I immediately came to the forum to see if anyone else echoed my thoughts.
I didn’t have to search long. My God. He looks ridiculous. I couldn’t help but laugh. He doesn’t look like a Norn. He looks like a reject from a Bananarama concert circa 1985. All he needs is leg warmers and a pink headband. Nobody in the character design department pulled somebody aside and said lets think about this for awhile? I mean, Trahearne might have been a massive dork, but at least he looked fine. Braham… yeah. Somebody was sipping on the Everclear at ol’ ArenaNet when that got pushed through QA, me thinks.
For the record, not a complaint against ET zerging. Doesn’t bother me a whit. But the person above who seems to be in a state of denial, well, maybe visit EB or FC primetime. Enlightening, I’m sure.
My ET brothers, I thought we got out of the whole ‘numbers denial’ thing when SF left. Yeah, FC is rolling in some 50ish zerg balls, from time to time. But it’s the friggin’ castle. People get excited. They want the skill points/XP/karma or whatever. What do you expect? Three guys to rush it? Okay. We’ll think about that next time. Oh, wait, the committee just got back to me: Forget it.
This conversation bores me now. Deny whatever you like, doesn’t make it less true. At least we’re honest over here when we talk about our zerg balls.
You’re upset because we got people to rush a choke point manned with siege? I guess I don’t get it.
Also: ET is no stranger to zerg balls. Glass houses and everything.
No, dissapointed to see you zerging in such a large group for one target instead of splitting off 20 of the 50 that were there to take a tower while you were taking SM. I’m still a non believer to this idea that ET is relying on zerging to win, I’m just not seeing it happen on any BL and I’m on ET so I should be the one to know about it, ya know?
Next time I run into a FOE/Agg zergball, I’ll make sure to screencap it and show ya. Because, you’re right, you should know about it.
Great fights tonight in general. I had so much fun. Feels like things are finally starting to click, and I got to make some new buddies too. And ran around as moose!
Still can’t buy my server. But good job as a moose.
We welcome everyone with open arms over in Ferg’s. We only hate on people we’ve known for a long time. We’re dysfunctional like that. But, hey, that’s what makes us scrappy.
They problem is geekanerd is that no one down here in T8 have seen these type of zerg super balls that AGG and VK brought. Bad for us VK was here for a couple of days and AGG is here to stay. Until we learn how to stop that or like you said just run the other way they will just farm bags.
Its kinda like T8 is one of those rural towns and AGG came in from LA or NY with a whole different approach. They only know zerg fighting where down on the lower tier as ours fight usually smaller. Upper tiers do this sort of stuff all the time its the only way they live where we were more use to the small way of life.
My thought is you have to stop them from running through. Throw down some of those walls that make them fall on the ground you must stop them from running through or its loots bags for them. We will either overcome or hide under a rock when we see them. I would rather overcome……
Thats not how you stop those types of zergs FYI, they WILL have stability, might and probably retaliation as well, only way to win is to be the bigger, badder ball of death…..Good luck with that by the way personally I don’t like the tactic but it’s certainly effective. Let’s not forget the giant swarm of FC that rolls in every morning and takes what they want because there’s hardly anyone on to defend, that’s why you guys had the lead earlier.
Pfft. Lets not forget that giant swarm of Agg that comes in every night and takes whatever they want whether anybody is defending or not. That’s why you guys have the lead now. Lets not fool ourselves here. In any event, I’m just going to avoid Agg zergs from now on. Not gonna be their loot bag fodder. We’ll revisit this topic agafin when running in a group that will wipe only 9 out of every 10 times we run into them.
Yeah, I hear ya, scooby. It’s just very frustrating dealing with a group that is designed to destroy everything in front of it. That’s how they’ve built themselves, I know. I respect it as much as I dislike it.
We’re very slowly trying to pull together a group comp that will be composed of people built to support one another in particular roles. But it’s going to be a hard play against Agg. They wiped VK several times in GvG combat, and we don’t have VK anymore.
Anyway, I’m not going to kitten about it anymore. I’m as tired of myself as I’m sure anybody reading the forum is. And I don’t want to take anything away from ET, because I like those guys. I know there’s a lot of dudes over there holding their own, and props to that. But even you guys gotta realize that many of us in FC and probably even in GoM are definitely going to be jaded a bit that you have Agg on your side. But so it goes.
I don’t buy into the rhetoric. You guys are like a cat that just plays with a mouse until you decide to destroy it. I don’t consider a ‘good fight’ being constantly wiped by Agg balls.
I know that seems a little bitter, but I’m not actually mad. Just… tired. I don’t know what you guys get out of this beyond mounds of loot bags. I wonder if the lack of competition down here is going to keep you stimulated. I dunno. What I do know is that you guys might end up digging your own ditch in the sense that nobody is going to want to engage you, period. We’ll end up just avoiding your zerg as best as possible until you go away. Maybe then y’all get bored. Until then, enjoy the farming.
ET is riding Agg through WvW tonight. I’d say ‘good job’ but, as it stands, it’d feel too much like congratulating a bully for punching you in the face.
Somebody wake me up when Agg gets bored and logs off, eh?
fc seems to only “zerg” and have no sense on tactics…they are only ahead because of shear numbers…10 [tcmm] pushed 20 of them into the hole they crawled out of…they are squishy little things when they arent running in a mob of 60 against 20
Yes. Running in tightly coordinated balls with flanking maneuvers and group support builds is the #1 sign of no tactics. We don’t know what we’re doing. We’re just a mindless, headless mob.
Or, we’re just not the farming server you’d thought we’d be if and when a T7 came down here. We’re not going to be pushed around by GoM. You can call it a zerg, we call it ‘Welcome to T8’ party ball. See ya out there.
SF really got to you didnt they? Dont be angry at us because you couldnt compete with them, nothing but pure hate coming from you kitten ants, hate aimed entirely at the wrong people.
Go look at ET and FC posts concerning this situation and then GoM, you guys are the only ones trash talking.
I’m not mad. Don’t have any reason to be. With SF gone things are actually pretty fantastic. And that wasn’t trash talking, it was simply a rebuttal to a claim that we’re not using tactics. But, please, go ahead and keep reading into it however you like. I’ll continue to farm GoM.
fc seems to only “zerg” and have no sense on tactics…they are only ahead because of shear numbers…10 [tcmm] pushed 20 of them into the hole they crawled out of…they are squishy little things when they arent running in a mob of 60 against 20
Yes. Running in tightly coordinated balls with flanking maneuvers and group support builds is the #1 sign of no tactics. We don’t know what we’re doing. We’re just a mindless, headless mob.
Or, we’re just not the farming server you’d thought we’d be if and when a T7 came down here. We’re not going to be pushed around by GoM. You can call it a zerg, we call it ‘Welcome to T8’ party ball. See ya out there.
You’ll get a good fight, GoM. You’re coming down to ET and FC populations that are pretty energized and ready for some fresh competition. It’ll be fun. And at the end of the day, we’ll get to see if the speculation that we can roll with a T7 server actually has any merit or not.
Come on down here with we plebeians, GoM. It’s not so bad. We’re full of kitten and vinegar down here. So you might stay for 6 months. Hell, it could be worse… actually, no, it couldn’t be. We’re like those people on the Titanic in the lower-decks. Once you accept that there’s no getting off the boat, you can just go under the water with a calm, happy feeling. You’ll see. It’s all about perspective!
There’s only so much we can do against SF’s still superior daytime coverage and numbers. You guys are still capable of retaking stuff in multiple borderlands faster than we can grab it. And, yes we still have plenty of moments that we wipe on SF and ET attacks. But I think anybody who would deny that now we are wiping far less than we did a week ago and WvW is suddenly more competitive is… well. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I want to smoke what you’re smoking. It must be some serious icky kitten.
And, hey, look, I’m not hating on SF or ET. As a matter of kittening fact, I’m pretty much dreading the moment SF gets their kitten together as a whole. It’s not going to be pretty for any of us stuck down here with you. And I don’t want anything to do with an Agg zergball, either. Been on the wrong end of that a few too many times to have nothing but respect. Still. Today is Wednesday and look at the point spread. Tell me things aren’t better competitively. Please, do, because I like to laugh.
And ran around as moose!
personally I don’t like the tactic but it’s certainly effective. Let’s not forget the giant swarm of FC that rolls in every morning and takes what they want because there’s hardly anyone on to defend, that’s why you guys had the lead earlier.