Guild Wars 2

There’s a lot of people not even in FC commenting on the situation over here. So let me set the record straight.

Over the past week, I’ve ran a lot with VK. Sometimes just a few of them with one of their commanders leading a PUG zerg. Sometimes with the whole 20 man VK ball. I listened to what they had to say, how they approached situations, and how they viewed their time here.

First, I’m not speaking for VK, as, obviously, I’m not in that guild. This is just my opinion gathered from hanging with them. I think a lot of them are dismissive of tier 8 as a whole. Ferg, SF, ET. I get it, too, because they were truly… baffled, I guess is the word, when SF would continue to throw bodies out into the open field to farm. Maybe something some of you SFers don’t know is that when you eventually wiped VK groups, it’s largely because they just lost all interest in the fight and started doing silly kitten just for laughs. Same with ET. Farm, farm, farm, laugh, get bored, wipe.

But I suffer no illusions that if they had gone to, say, ET, we’d be the same fools they’d be farming and shaking their heads at. They could care less about PPT. They just wanted to pick fights and farm. Which is certainly their prerogative and I don’t hold that against them. Because, simply, they gave us a nice gift in exchange for some server space. They showed us how to really get into this thing and play. Undoubtedly, some of you have noticed it. Earlier today, outside of Durios, FC was wiping SF and ET zergs tying to sandwich us in between them. That’s not luck, or happenstance, it’s built on coordination and skill. We’re fielding players now that want to play above what is expected out of the tier 8 ghetto. And it shows. That ball that not only survived but thrived at Durios only had one VK guy in it, and he wasn’t commanding. That was 99% FC.

So whatever you want to say about VK taking up 30ish player spots; maybe that’s valid. I dunno. But they taught us some kitten that easily, easily — I can’t stress this enough, EASILY — replaces 30 random PUGs that we may or may not have gotten. Also, I think you’re seriously deluding yourselves if you think that those VK chaps don’t rock, let me tell you, they do. I saw them wipe swaths of you guys way, way too much to say anything otherwise.

Not that it’s all roses. I’m glad to see them go, actually. I’d rather do this on our own than ride on the back of players who are disinterested in the server as a whole. Also, I think some of them lose sight of the fact that, really, the only thing that separates a T8 player and a T2 player is around $50 and a week of observation. It’s not like ArenaNet came down with the hand of almighty Jesus and specifically plucked the ‘good’ players to go to T3 and above. So that attitude was kind of a turn-off, but, again, it wasn’t the whole guild, either, so I’m not trying to say their all elitist nobs. Lots of cool dudes in VK. Lastly, there was just a slight bit of recruitment that I was aware of. But they squashed it, for the most part. I think we’re still losing a few to T2, but, hey. We might have lost them anyway. No hard feelings.

Anyhow, I think the experience was largely positive and I’m glad they ‘vacationed’ here. I believe much of Ferguson’s thinks the same thing. Not everyone, of course, but there’s no debating the attitude and score change over the past week or so. So thanks guys. Have fun back in T2.

Holy balls, ET. Did all of T1 transfer to you dudes? Lots of ET out there tonight. Good fights, guys.

SpitFire, I don’t know if you’ve chosen a new server or not. But if you haven’t, I’m gong to self-promote here for a moment. Take a nice, long, look at FC. Not to drop a really bad analogy — but I’m going to — think of us as a lump of coal. For months and months we’ve been underneath intense pressure from Devona’s Rest, Kaining, and now Sorrow’s Furnace. I mean, if you weren’t hard core into the community and into the server, you’ve already left. But with enough pressure, you get a diamond. We’re just on the cusp. We’re learning. We’re adapting. Even in the last few days our zergs have evolved into something better than they ever were at any other time in our history. Our players are starting to get it.

Look, no doubt we’ve benefited from some transfers. But our tactics are advancing at a rapid rate. If you want to be a part of a server that is just on the brink of breaking it completely out, I think we’re the spot. We’ve gone through our lowest-low, and this upswing is going to be special. Think about it.

Sadistis.4257:

Outmanned on every map man T8 is broken ET and FC both have severe numbers advantages and massive zergs rolling around. /end Sarcasm as ET will tell you SF has no night crew but it gives me something to clean up when i get up in the morning and means there was GFs last night

I’m just as confused as anybody. But we’ll take the points why we can get them.

I know this is going to aggressively and horribly change sooner than I’d like, but SF is at the bottom of the points list. Bizzaro Tier 8.

Oh Snap. FC is doing whaaaaaat?

Hey Loken. Glad to have you on Ferg. I roll in [KoH], but I gotta say, I have a ton of fun and respect with the guys in Yarr and BS. I do a lot of night shifts and always love having those guys in our group.

South Park moment.

I think I learned something today. Instead of kittening and moaning and being kitten heads, we should just give one another cookies. The world is a much friendlier place when that happens.

Gisei.5749:

Don’t forget that ET and FC aren’t the only servers to get a large boost from the WvW patch. SF was fielding more than three times our usual numbers tonight.

Trust me. We noticed.

Looks like you guys stepped into an ET hornets nest.

I pulled out of WvW to do some Guild bounties a few hours ago. Ferg was rolling maybe the biggest zerg-ball I’d seen in… I don’t know. Maybe ever? At least for a long time.

But it was still half the size of what SF hit back with. Crazy. It’s both exhilarating seeing all the green dots, and depressing noting that our match-up isn’t better, it’s just the same thing with more people. Bleh.

Moving one community to another is going to be a really, really tough sell. For both ET and FC. Especially given, at this point, those who are around are the ones who are very dedicated to their servers.

Pizz.3698:

ET giving SF their free fully upgraded garrison and Dawn’s when they have 20-30 people in FCBL. Way to prioritize. +1

Edit: Screenshot

This isn’t unusual. It’s the strategy ET has been deploying for awhile, now. And last time I checked, they were beating Ferg for second (which in this tier is kind of like fighting over the participation award while SF hauls off with the first, second, third place medals, and that trip to Disney World, but I digress). So I guess it’s working? Hey, seems silly to a lot of us over in Ferguson, too, but results are results.

I’m almost going to miss you guys [SF] if and when you move on. Part of me has even a little trepidation about a swap. It’s like my dad would say, ‘Sometimes the kitten you know is better than the one you don’t.’ Maybe it’s a little Stockholm Syndrome, you know? Or maybe that’s not quite it.

You’re like the schoolyard bully who goes around and beats the crap out of all the kids smaller than you are. ET is the crumb-cruncher that hates getting hit, so they run away and find another small kid that they can hit and feel better about themselves. And Ferguson. Good ol’ Ferg. We’re the most emotionally damaged out of the lot. Oh, we’ll kick and scream and bite when mean Sorrow’s finds us near the jungle gym. We might even score a black eye or two. However, when SF leaves, we feel empty inside, hollow, because the only way we feel we’re loved is through that sweet, delicious abuse. Oh, we grumble and gripe and kitten and moan as much about one another as Sorrow’s, but, really, we feel the most vindicated when we’re rushing into your mob and we think we’re going to win. Good times.

But, no, seriously. Don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya on the way out. <3 Ferg.

Ungood.3054:

Shanks.8793:

And please Manfred I am sick of your drama in ET don’t bring it here in the forums.

If you need. The Eredon Terrace Forums will be glad to provide you a place to post your drama and rage.

Thanks for stepping in with that, Ungood. It’s getting a little uncomfortable here with this dirty laundry being aired out. I realize people have grievances against others on their servers — including myself — but this really isn’t the place for that. It’s just going to get removed and the posters infracted and possibly even the thread shut down.

Moving on, I would say over the weekend it’s not uncommon to roll in a Ferg zerg 20ish strong or so. Maybe 30 in a perfect storm of convergent coverage zones and interest on the same map. But I can’t say I’ve been in a 30er in awhile. Still, let me just say that if you’re on Sorrow’s and you think you don’t have a massive population advantage over Eradon and Ferguson, I want to smoke what you’re smoking. I’ve seen your tide wash over our tide at peak hours just way too many times to buy into denials.

PS
That’s not an attack on player skill or talent or whatever you want to call it. I get friggin’ stomped by Sorrow’s toons all the time outside of the zerg balls, and I’m a pretty decent player. Frankly, I don’t give two squirts of hot kitten who’s better than who. However, ignoring the disparity in population advantage is just silly, as well is chalking SF’s current tier 8 shellacking as pure talent. C’mon guys. Don’t be silly. It’s unbecoming.

GambitsEnd.6028:

What’s funny is that a good 85% of the fights I’m a part of in WvW (SF player) generally involves the following:

— Enemies totaling x2-x5 the size of my force
— Both ET and FC attacking just SF locations at all times (because apparently they need two servers to take back 20% of a map for an hour before we take it all back)
— The ET or FC zerg wiping (90% chance)

I mean kitten guys, when 4 SF can kill an entire ET zerg (35+) after the wall goes down (with no siege to help), that’s sad. Very sad. And this is not an isolated event, myself and a few others do similar battles (and win) on a daily basis.

And seriously guys, failing 70% of all SM raids when there is an entire server knocking at the northern AND another server at the South-eastern gates … wow.

I’m not saying SF is good (we’re in bottom Tier, so obviously not), we’re just not as bad. Please train your people. Thank you.

EDIT: Forgot to add that I’m impressed with the current change in power in ET, you guys are providing at least some resistance lately. Which cannot be said for FC, sadly.

Alchemist.3692:

Soon.5240:

Alchemist.3692:

If server transfers didnt cost money, I’d switch over just to see why the other two servers are whining. Last night half of our…..

Lol, you won by 300,000 because of skill.

Because of commitment, and skill. There’s more than one factor in winning. You guys seem to think numbers is the only thing that counts which is sad

My goodness. Between Alchemist and GambitsEnd, I’m surprised we can move out of spawn at all. Obviously, there is so much raw talent with those two on SF, the idea that they outman their competition is, indeed, naive on our part. A farce. It seems so clear, now. The other toons in Sorrow’s suckle on the teets of Alchemist and GambitsEnd, like mewling puppies at the belly of their mother, their milk endowing them with Skill and Hyper-Intelligence. Thus the armies are born, fierce, strong, proud, elite, the cogs in the finely tuned engine that Alchemist and Gambit fuel, the machine known as Sorrow’s Roflstompmonster.

Now we know. Not a coverage issue. Not a WvW pop. issue. It’s because ET and Ferg just don’t know their kitten from a hole in the ground. I submit myself, humbly, before the mighty titans of Sorrow’s Furnace. Please, endow me with the skill and strength to play. Grant me a taste of the pure Talent milk. I’m so embarrassed that all this time I’ve been Doing It Wrong. My God, it’s all… it’s all been for nothing. My existence in Guild Wars 2 is revealed to be nothing but a hollow shell, a man going through the motions, but not capable of true enlightenment.

No. Nooooo! Nooooooooooooo!!!

Round and round it goes. Where does it stop? Nobody knows.

Shademehr.1397:

Here’s something to consider, and I wonder if anyone in Fergland has been able to nail this down: When we repel SF at various locations in the ET BL (garrison, Dawns, Woodhaven, etc), we typically see a follow up group with greater numbers, then when it fails, another attack with even more numbers. Do you find that the longer we hold out, the more time you guys get to reinforce, lay siege, etc in your own keeps/towers/etc?

I think for people — such as myself — who watch the map a lot, I’ve gotten a certain sense of how much time Ferg has before the SF storm hits our BL coming out of yours. More to the point of your question, I think it’s highly situational. If we get a perfect mixture of A. We already control most/all of our BL B. SF only has a token force in our BL while they’re capping ET and C. ET isn’t in Ferg while SF is taking over your BL. Yeah, then if we’re seeing the rate of how fast ET keeps are flipping, we might have time to throw down siege in one of the southern towers and hunker in (Though you’re right about SF. I’ve often compared them to sand people: They scare easily but they’ll be back, and with greater numbers).

However, the above stipulations are rarely in our favor. More often than not we’re in the middle of trying to recap our Borderland while SF is in yours. By the time we get that done, they’re back, no supply, no time to upgrade or lay down defenses or… whatever. And then the whole recapping process can be compounded if ET decides to jump over and/or SF sends more than ten or fifteen bodies to harass our recapping process.

That is the general feeling of the game when I’m around. I can’t account for the early morning ET pushes since I’m not there and whatever happens throughout the rest of the morning and through mid-afternoon. I can only assume it’s generally the same vibe. However, as someone already mentioned, it does seem like a glorified round-robin chase. We’re just chasing after SF and hoping they decide not to turn around. But, hey, at least there’s a metric-kittenton of karma/gold/exp to be had by this constant capping of keeps and towers. That’s about the only silver lining I can get out of it.

I don’t think that ET and SF have an agreement. I’ve seen their BL painted green too often for that to be any sort of reality. Could be wrong, but I highly doubt it. Still, ET does do this peculiar thing — I’ve seen it first-hand several times — where they’ll send their zerg into Ferg while their BL is getting overrun by Sorrow’s. And, of course, Sorrow’s has enough coverage during certain times of the day that they’re also hitting us at the same time they’re rolling over ET.

So what happens is that over in Ferg we end up dealing enough Sorrow’s toons to be a real hassle, whilst at the same time 25+ ET start knocking on Hills. Usually we don’t have enough bodies to split and fight both influxes of invaders. Sometimes ET gets tossed out, sometimes SF gets tossed out, and sometimes nobody does because we underestimate one side or the other and get wiped. So it goes.

I used to think it was extremely silly when ET would send the bulk of their forces over to Ferg while SF was having their way with your borderland. Now I think I get it. Why waste time and effort trying to stop a zerg that outnumbers you 3 or 4 to 1? Let them do their thing, and then when they get done, they’ll go into Ferg. So what happens is that, at least for several ticks, you’ll have a few blue keeps in Ferg adding some points whilst you start taking back your own BL after SF goes away. And it seems to be working. To be fair, it’s not the complete story between the score discrepancy between Ferg and ET, but it’s certainly a good part of it.

The mistake you’re making is that you believe these issues are mutually exclusive of one another. I’ve seen no evidence to the contrary that people can fix general game bugs and also work on this issue in Tier 8. ArenaNet has more than two people as employees. More than three, even.

Ah, who am I kidding? We haven’t even gotten a response out of them in three months of kittening. Maybe they can’t work on different things at the same time. Maybe during WvWvW Wednesdays everybody at ANet calls in sick. Everybody shows up for ‘Pushing Products on the BLTC’ Thursdays, apparently. So maybe you’re right and I’m wrong. Still, I have a glimmer of hope that, indeed, they are capable of working on different things simultaneously.

Though, you’re little HoD Steamrolling comment is both ignorant of the issue and oddly right on all at the same time. We’d love to get steamrolled by HoD. It means something is working as it is should. Though I’m with Detharos in believing that HoD dropping into T8 isn’t an automatic win for HoD. But I guess we’ll never know at this juncture, eh? Oh, see? That’s the problem.

EnRohbi.2187:

-I explained that Anet is not going to prioritize tier 8 because there is simply not enough of their wvw playerbase in tier 8 to warrant them addressing it before the countless other issues with WvW and GW2 in general.

Then I had you calling me a troll in every.single.subsequent.post (Including the most recent that I am responding to now).
Just because you’ve never dealt with someone who’s a little blunt doesn’t mean they’re a troll.

Mostly just because I’m curious, do you have some sort of insight into what exactly ArenaNet prioritizes? Some sort of source in the company? Because I’m sure the rest of us would love to be enlightened as to exactly how ANet makes decisions. You should share some of that knowledge.

No? Then it’s just speculation, and speculation isn’t a substitute for facts. You don’t know what Anet is going to do anymore than any of us other schlubs. And being blunt doesn’t make you right, in any case.

It’s not even worth engaging the nincompoops from the higher tiers who come into these threads and crap all over them. They’re like teenagers who think they have all the answers and life figured out, when the actuality is they know next to nothing. All we can do is roll our eyes and take anything they have to say with a grain of salt and move on.

Detharos might be quite verbose, but if the trolls actually took the time to read what the guy has to say he makes a lot of sense. The system is broken down here. Sticking your head in the sand about it doesn’t make it any less true.

Raccoons hide when I walk by. They whisper my name in hushed breaths to their children. Raccoon genocide is not just a past time, it is an obligation.

That is all.

Not interested.

This isn’t a QQ thread. There are no tears left to cry in tier 8. I think it’s more of a ‘Please, for the love of God, put us out of our misery’ thread. Merge servers or throw us a lifeboat to get out of this wasteland, kay, ANet?

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

FilthyRat.4652:

Man so depressing to wake up and see ET in second place again just hope FC comes out in force tonight and changes that.

Do you need a hug, bro?

Do not worry, remember with 5 or 6 players ET and FC can face down any number of SF players. It apparently happens all the time. Still trying to be on one of these SF zergs that gets faced down by 10% of their numbers. Maybe I am just so good that all the zergs I happen to run with never lose an outmanned fight?

Don’t worry, dude. Once GambitsEnd.6028 gets on, he’ll take down combined FC/ET zergs single-handed. Well, him and his trusty Dolyak, Sorrow’s Furryak. I’ve been in an FC zerg that he and ol’ Furryak have destroyed. Crazy kitten. I wasn’t even mad. I was just impressed.

The trend I’m noticing that’s developed in the past week or so is that ET makes a very hard push around about, oh… lets call it 7 or 8am EST. It was either yesterday morning or the day before where you had most of EB and your BL all blue, and were making hard incursions into Ferg’s BL.

If that trend continues, it’s going to be a hard scrabble trying to claw back into second place. You guys make some serious scratch in points in those few hours before SF starts pushing back. We’re usually scrambling to put enough green dots together at that point to make sure we hold onto the BL. Which doesn’t always happen, as last week would tell. But I’m also seeing new faces in Ferg. And [BS] is doing a great job at keeping the BL red as best they can in the wee morning hours. Thanks to those guys over in [BS] for that. Appreciate it. Anyway, it’s going to be interesting to see how this week shapes out.

ET’s coverage has definitely improved over the past several days. Yes, I don’t doubt some folks are burning the midnight oil. I don’t think that’s the full story anymore, though.

Just a hunch. And little birds have been tweeting interesting things.

Anyway, at least it’s a different look. Well played, Eradon.

It’s ‘a lot’. Not ‘alot’. Normally I don’t do the grammar thing, but that one is just killer. Second, I’m pretty sure that ArenaNet is very aware of how nerfing KR affects 100nades. I, however, am with you that it pretty much sucks.

GambitsEnd.6028:

S’all right. Just means I’ll have to get my lazy kitten motivated enough to start recording game footage again. Then I’ll upload videos that shows ET and/or FC getting their egos kicked by a force 1/5 their size. It’ll probably even be a daily upload.

You do that, champ.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, I had some bad kitten fights with SF earlier today. Thanks for the fun, guys.

D W.5179:

Ungood.3054:

So there I was. I was all alone, and it was just me and 40+ Sorrows Furnace people, they hit me with everything, from Golems to Catapults, to battering Rams. yes, I ran up to their battering rams and let them hit because I am just that super tough.

I even took a sammich break, washed my hair, and played with the dog, and they still could not get past the super awesome bodaciousness that is Eredon Terrace banner flying high above me. enticing and inspiring me on to greater acts of valor and courage, even while AFK.

40 of them came, in seven ways, throwing everything from alchemist to rhinos at me, and we held the line, that’s right. me, myself, and I, took down the entirety of SF in one go!

Ooook then. Can we stop the ridiculous smack talk, please, or I’ll be forced to make up even more silly stuff in the future, I might even have to retort to quoting Po.

I was there, and fell victim to the awesome… nothing short of impressive :P
Seriously though, this story, making fun of the story above it, made my day (I was thinking pretty much the same thing while reading that post)

Ungood is being modest. I was there, watching, when he killed all those SF toons. I was also there after he logged off and Ferg attacked. Just his essence, the strata of bits and bytes and lines of code, were warped into something indescribable. Even not there, he was still /there/, somehow, and the echo of his character destroyed our 20+ zerg. And Jormag. Plus several of those really annoying silver mobs that set bombs in CM.

I think that’s exactly what has been missing for awhile. Fun. The score becomes less relevant, at least to me, as long as it’s fun to log in and play. This week has largely been just that.

Ruprect.7260:

Kumu Honua.2751:

So which server would you like to face instead of the one you are facing now?

^^This^^

You guys would get an even worse beating from any other server. I doubt you guys would even be able to leave spawn with any other server.

This really sux what you guys are having to deal with but I don’t think there is really an easy solution to this. Maybe getting better servers and making it a 4 way battle??

And this supposition is based on…? There’s a lot of speculation in here, and a lot of it just nonsense. Nobody can truly know how well ET and Ferg would do against one of the T7 servers. Could be good, could be bad, but the idea that it would be a complete wash in a T7 server’s direction is simply unfounded. If you want a good read on T7 vs T8 history, look at Detharos’ posts in the SF v FC vs ET threads. He breaks it down far better than I could ever hope to do, and, no, it’s not nearly as one-sided as many of you think it would be.

Tier 8 is super sexy right now. You got one big server smothering two smaller ones, but the two small ones hate each other. So, they trade punches with one another while the big server finds it all just amusing. It’s high-drama excitement down here. Also, ninja style on keeps. Yeah, it’s pretty awesome on the south side of the tracks.

It’s not worth the time or effort to try to reason with somebody like Darxio. Full-forward, blinders on. But if that’s the general attitude of ET, hey, it is what it is. It’s just funny that almost every time ET comes into Ferg full-force, SF always seems to start gobbling up your BL. And if that’s the exchange most of you are okay with, then hell, I’m not going to tell you it’s wrong. See ya out there.

Oh, those crosses that you ET guys carry around must get heavy. Please. Most of you posting here aren’t idiots and full-well know it’s not as one sided as you may think. That goes for both servers. But as long as we’re all still kittening about it, lets talk about the ‘alliance’ a moment:

A. An alliance was only going to work if more level heads prevailed when rogues went into borderlands and started changing colors. Why? Because there was no way that every member of each respective server was going to adhere to any sort of ‘alliance’. Official or otherwise. Some folks don’t give a kitten. Others might not know. And some, well, some just get caught up in the moment. That meant both sides would have to take a large gulp out of the cup of ignoring sporadic transgressions. Clearly, that’s not in our respective wheelhouses.

B. I’ve no horse in the so-called alliance that was offered. Not my idea. Nor was I invited to any discussions about it. Nor should have I been, frankly, because I would have laughed at it then as I do now. The moment you start bandying about words like ‘alliance’ in a medium that doesn’t allow for punishment of people who break it… what’s the point? Of course people are going to ignore it. It was a bad idea from the very beginning simply because when you put labels and promises to things people’s feelings are liable to get hurt.

C. Truly, both ET and Ferg would be doing one another a huge favor by leaving each other alone and dealing with SF. I’m just talking about the logic of the situation. Yes, we’ve been more competitive this week thus far, but we’re still like two little mongrel mutts fighting for the scraps left by the big dog. And maybe that’s all we are. Okay, but I prefer to think we’re capable of something a little more lofty. It would involve things called ‘temperance’. ‘Patience’. ‘Self-control’. It would take tossing that stupid group of FC in your borderlands and then not immediately going to Ferg for a reprisal. It would necessitate taking it to Sorrow’s Furnace and really getting this tier exciting instead of hitting one another like petulant children over kitten that really doesn’t matter.

D. Clearly, the things that we, as players, are capable of to make this tier less of a drag are not possible. Thus, it’s all a moot point. So lets just get back to throwing punches at one another while the guys over in SF run up the score. That’s what we’re good at, after all.

For the record, I’m not some patron saint of video gaming. I’ve gone over to ET and stormed the ramparts while they weren’t looking. And it was always after they had done the same to us. Which I’m sure they were mostly doing because Ferg had done it the night before. And so on and so forth. In the last few weeks, though, I just let it go. People in my guild have called to go over to ET and start flipping towers. I shoot it down. I know who I want to dedicate my time and energy into whipping, and it sure ain’t the guys in blue.

In any event, even if people read this and find it to be 99% bullkitten, that’s fine. But, for the love of everything holy, to those claiming that it’s mostly Ferg or ET to blame for the less-than-cordial relations, knock it off. It’s ignorant of what actually happened, and that’s the nice way to describe it.

Those Yarr cats are some bad kitten motherkitteners. <3

This is what I imagine Sorrow’s Furnace is doing whenever Ferg and ET start beating on one another.

Detharos.3157:

Runamok.9638:

Always a pleasure rolling with you Ungood.

ET seems to have recently acquired a serious Golem fetish. We must have all the rich kids on the block partying on ET these days.

I wish ET could energize its Friday reset player base for an entire week. This would be a far more interesting match-up.

Keep it classy CoSA.

I am noticing a pattern in the battles the last few weeks. If at first you don’t succeed, bring more bodies. And when you hit troubled waters again, bring even more bodies with the same exact tactics. Rinse, repeat. Eventually realize you cannot accomplish objective and hide to build golems. And then when you pull through, act like you accomplished a great feat.

Ferg I like you guys. Just wish you could do your own thing once in a while, opportunists. Thanks for tanking last week to provide some variety to the match-up. The change in scenery was much needed.

Please leave the afro-mentalist alone. I’m just trying to bring happiness, sunshine, and magical unicorns to your drab party to liven it up a little bit.

I like how the guy calls Fergs opportunists when ET has been on our rear 24/7 since last week and times 90% of its major keep attacks to come in just after SF is already mass zerging one of our other keeps in the same map for an easy flip. Hypocrite much?

Not to complain though, fighting ET is always a pleasure and a fun break from the constant grind against SF.

Been enjoying some great battles from [TAC], [Mend], and others.

Hope to see [KWBH] back in force soon too.

At any rate, I just noticed there are two [CoSA] guilds? A scarlet alliance and a sapphire one? Pretty nifty.

That was my initial thought when I read that post, too. In the hours that I’m on, we’ve generally been leaving ET well alone, as far as their BL is concerned. Almost without fail, though, they’ll start running up one side of Ferg after SF starts their zerg on the other. Even at the expense of their own BL, like this evening.

Maybe Ferg is attacking ET’s BL when I’m asleep. I dunno. I’m just saying I haven’t seen Ferg flipping ET towers when SF is in there for awhile. No point to it, in my opinion. Still, like Detharos, I’m not complaining. I like fighting ET. I even, in a way, kind of admire your persistence in trying to take the Ferg keep tonight. We tossed you guys out of there a few times before you finally got the perfect opportunity to take it while the bulk of Ferg was over at Bay. And it was still very, very close. Our forces were just starting to pour into the keep when you flipped it. Good times.

The people from other tiers would be better suited keeping their opinions to themselves. They’ve no insight to comment on the situation in T8, anymore so than I have cause to comment on their tiers. Unless you’re logging into a T8 W3 match day after day, you have very little concept of the problem. Oh, I’m sure many of you think that you do, but you don’t.

That said, Ferg people creating new threads to kitten about the situation that’s already been hashed in other places in better ways is silly. Search through the threads a bit, guys. Otherwise, you’re just going to server as fodder for trolls and the clueless.

gecemg.6235:

geekanerd.4123:

Brief disclaimer:

I post this not because I’m mad. Actually, I was fairly amused by the sheer amount of effort my SF amigo went through to really take the dance to the next level on our poor FC corpses. Bunny hat, roses, everything. If I didn’t know any better, he wasn’t trying to be a jerk, he was asking me out on a date.

I accept the invitation. Lets have a nice dinner and a movie. And, who knows? Maybe somebody will get lucky. Keep it classy out there, Mr. KING plant dude.

Yep, that was me.

Is that a confirmation for the date? Or just a general announcement?

Not to take the wind out of anybody’s sails, but isn’t steamrolling through Ferg BL pretty routine by this point?

Ah, nicely done ET. Nice to see SM another color for a change, even if it’s not blue.

Ungood.3054:

geekanerd.4123:

I think Ferg is largely tapping out until this horsekitten is either A. Solved or B. SF goes up a tier.

Not to spread any doom here, but, I am not sure what SF going up a Tier would solve for FC or ET at this point. I mean, make no mistake, it would good for SF, but, as far as T8 goes, SF would most likely be replaced by Gate of Madness or Henge of Denravi.

Now, I could be missing something, but as I see it, neither of them seem to be any better a match for T8 then SF is.

Yeah, I wouldn’t argue that. Could be worse, even. But I have zero doubt in my mind that an opponent change would at least ignite the /hope/ that we can win. And that’s important. It’d bring people back out of the woodwork. Maybe even make a match of it. Who knows? Maybe we’ll eventually find out. Or perhaps we’ll be stuck in this hell-hole ad nauseum. I know which one I’m hedging my bets on right now.

Darxio:

I never understood why guys from Ferg would backdoor ET. It boggled me. And I’m not even talking about alliance crap. It just never made sense logically. For what it’s worth, I never participated in it. Never made sense to me to punch the other kid who was getting pushed around by the same bully. I’ve noted my largely pacifist stance on ET in other places in the forum already, though, so it’s old potatoes.

Though, I also have to note that you guys are pretty much returning the favor right now. Reap what we sow, I suppose. So perhaps it’s too late for the ol’ ‘Let bygones be bygones’ routine. But you’ll have to understand if I don’t exactly turn my head the other way when running into ET these days.

Sniffy:
Who knows what the future will bring? I know there is a certain sense that if something isn’t done, our guild might pull up roots. I’ll keep your offer in mind for our guild if that time comes. Could be sooner rather than later at this point.

I can definitely tell that the mood has swung drastically in Ferg. Certainly in the last few days. I mean, it has been dour for the past few weeks, but now people are just exhausted. It’s tough working ten times harder to hold onto ten times less than the other guy. I dunno. There’s been no proclamation or multi-guild announcement or anything of the sort, but I think Ferg is largely tapping out until this horsekitten is either A. Solved or B. SF goes up a tier.

Yeah, there will still be the occasional zerg taking back spots in the BL and some cross-map supply camps flipped. I’m sure bored toons — such as myself — will be night-capping a keep here and there. Die-hards are die-hards. But, in my opinion, the soul has been sucked out of this fight.

wyther.8372:

FC: I really don’t like to say this, but did a lot of your commanders leave or take a break? There doesn’t appear to be much cohesion at all, except for once in a great while.

I would say that’s pretty close to the reality of the situation over in FC. Ferg is, in my opinion, pretty much scraping the bottom of the barrel for moral. Peak time last night there was barely anybody running around in our BL, let alone commanders. I think it bottomed out when we had ET running up one side of our BL and SF on the other and we didn’t have enough bodies to really put a stake in either zerg. Lot of ‘kitten it, I quit’, in that few hours.

I’m posting in this thread mostly just to keep it bumped. Seems about as good a spot as any. My FC guild is mumbling about transferring whole-sale. We’re not the biggest guild in FC by a long stretch, but we certainly have a presence. And we have a lot of avid WvWvWers. It’s getting tougher and tougher to keep them motivated to run the meat-grinder that is tier 8. It’s hard to convince people to do a thing when you’re not so convinced that it’s worth doing yourself.

I don’t want to leave Ferguson’s Crossing. But I will if my guild does. Therein lies the rub: If some sort of solution isn’t offered, or some sort of fix isn’t made, it’s going to become a ghost town — even more so than it already is — in FC. Not today, not tomorrow, but soon. Banging our heads against this futility is taking it’s toll.

I don’t have the answers. Plenty of folks have already offered various solutions, situations. Whether any of these are feasible or not, I’ve no idea. Something needs to be done, though. Or else FC is going to lose yet another guild, paid transfers or no. And I promise that we won’t be the last. Not an ultimatum, just a sad realization.

Good luck out there.

Takerukun.8924:

Asglarek.8976:

After reading through the entirety of this thread I’ve come to the conclusion that most who offer some semblance of a solution have taking the position of punishing the successful servers which reminds me of the mentality of the OWS (bowel)movement.

I just wonder how any of these servers could feel an ounce of pride knowing they couldnt use the metrics everyone else has used that have been on top whether it was t1 -t8.

Take Kainege for instance they were bottom of the wv3 ranking just 2 months ago now they are on the threshold of moving in to t1 so you guys in t8 do some self reflection and you’ll discover its your crying and quitting mentality that’s your problem not your competition.

So lets change the metrics to me just reeks of poor sportsmanship.

Nice job with the complete post edit. I’m wondering if the way I format my posts prevents quote updates, or if these forums simply don’t allow it. I haven’t seen something to compare it with, so I couldn’t actually tell you.

In counter to your hastily thrown together last-minute-argument, let me just remind you that what you just said literally amounts to the following:

“Why can’t you just get massive free transfers as well? Kain did! You guys just reek of poor sportsmanship!”

Do I really need to go on to shoot this argument down…?

No. I say don’t bother. I had a fleeting moment where I thought about going after that post, as well, but it’s so silly I can’t help but think I’d be equally as silly taking it seriously.

Just my two cents.

Brief disclaimer:

I post this not because I’m mad. Actually, I was fairly amused by the sheer amount of effort my SF amigo went through to really take the dance to the next level on our poor FC corpses. Bunny hat, roses, everything. If I didn’t know any better, he wasn’t trying to be a jerk, he was asking me out on a date.

I accept the invitation. Lets have a nice dinner and a movie. And, who knows? Maybe somebody will get lucky. Keep it classy out there, Mr. KING plant dude.