Guild Wars 2

I like how he came back and jumped on the corpse. So not only is this player super-skilled, he is super-classy. I know that’s somebody I’d like to have in my guild.

There’s kittens, and then there are kittens. What can ya do? Tough it out until it gets removed, I guess. Sorry to see ya on the wrong end of that exploit — yes, I’ll call it an exploit — but at least there are videos popping up documenting how stupid the gears are.

SyntheticIrony.1823:

Honestly, to me this is a lot of crying for nothing. There was a time when SF was loosing terribly. I mean HORRIBLY to the point we didn’t want to log on. What did we do? We started communicating with other guilds in our area’s inside and outside of PvP to find others who had interest in making SF a GREAT server. We all had options to transfer out when it was low for us, and we decided we wouldn’t take the cheap way out and do that, we’d work for what we wanted.

I’ve seen MANY red zergs, numbers that outrank some of our zergs in the recent weeks. The problem I see isn’t lack of people on the defenders sides, it’s lack of communication, it’s lack of proper gear, and it’s lack of honestly in my opinion the will to succeed.

If you want to zerg then stick together. I see all these ET’s and FC’s in their zergs where numbers match ours a lot of the time, half of them charge the other half scatter. How are you going to accomplish anything if you don’t stick together?

Stop crying about free siege in the jumping puzzle. There are OTHER ways to get siege. If you don’t know how, use the wiki to figure it out. We aren’t going to “hand” over free siege. That is like giving a spoiled bratty child who isn’t getting their own way a cookie that they are crying over in the first place.

We don’t want to run in and take all your keeps and towers without a fight. That isn’t fun for us either. However I also hate to say that if we re-arranged the tiers that ET and FC are probably still going to get it handed to them any way.

I don’t know what WvWvW you’re fighting in, but I don’t recall ever seeing a time in the last four or so weeks where a FC zerg had more numbers than a SF zerg. Now, I’m not talking about random 5 vs 10 fights or maybe even 15 vs 10 fights. Sure, those happen, and we may outnumber you in those random encounters. But the zerg-ball? The rolling SF tide of hate that has been ruling tier 8 for the past month? If you’re trying to convince us that Ferguson and Eradon are capable of fielding the same, well, sir. I’m not going to call you a liar, but I am going to request you share whatever hallucinogen that you’re eating ’cause it sounds amazing.

Whatever the case may be, it’s easy to cast assumptions on ’what’s wrong’ from the lofty perch of domination. Zergs breaking apart is a problem anywhere, it’s not just a FC/ET thing. I’ve seen half a SF zerg go one way and the other half another several times. Every server is guilty of that. We communicate just fine when in those increasingly more disperse times when we decide to hit back. Perhaps the only point you’re mostly correct on is the will to succeed, but that’s been stamped out by you and yours. So congratulations on that. Still, I don’t blame people for not investing time into a losing proposition. I still do, because I’m a glutton for punishment. But I understand those who are tapping out. Even I’m starting to heavily curb my gold spending on upgrades because it’s just not worth it in most cases. Touch the stove enough times and you eventually learn that it’s hot.

Despite all that, I don’t wish SF any ill will. I don’t emote silly things after a stomp, because in another time or another place, we could all be pals. Why not? I won’t be sad when you leave tier 8 in 10 years or so, but we’ll always share this special bond when you guys crushed the will of not just one but two servers. That’s something to cherish.

Scleameth.6809:

FilthyRat.4652:

Scleameth.6809:

For me this whole “agreement” between FC and ET is not working at all well. I think too few people are informed or just don’t care. Last night I just exited out spawn in EB and the whole map is almost all green. A group of 4 ET were roaming around taking camps and I bowed as they ran past. They paused, buffed and continued to beat the snot out of me so from my side the gloves are off again I’m afraid.

Well at least most of you can come to some sort of an arrangement. Sorry didn’t work out to well….But Team Sheen is always looking for recruits if you want to join a team that will help you grow.

As professor Charlie would say “Winning” and not not every one is warlock material

Thanks for the offer, but I’ll stick with FC… until the very end (some of SF might know I’m always the last one in a tower doing one last bit of damage before the lights go out).
btw – I did run across a ET player in SF BL and bowed. He bowed back and we both went our merry ways. Uncomfortable as it was, I managed to not test my strength against a red number.

If somebody held a gun to my head and told me that I had to either transfer to SF or lose my left nut… I’m not going to sit here and say I’d choose the left nut. But what I’m going to say is that I’d definitely think about it for awhile.

I was in EB, oh, I dunno, maybe an hour ago now or so, and some ET guys were backcapping some Ferg points on ‘our’ side of the map whilst SF was working over the keep. We had to stomp you guys. Agreements or treaties or whatever bullkitten aside, I never feel good about stomping ET. It feels like hitting somebody I should be friends with because we both get pushed around by the same bully. Personally, I don’t engage ET unless they’re capping something we own or try to hit me first. Otherwise, it just seems like we’re doing what SF wants us to do.

For those feeling lost or confused about the point of this thread:

The argument isn’t whether Ferg/ET ‘deserve’ to be in tier 8. The idea that it means we’re ‘last’ or ‘the worst’ is far less important than having a good match up. Thus, the problem is that Sorrow’s Furnace does not match up with tier 8 and they currently cannot climb out. Whether that math hole exists because FC sucks or was just the unfortunate whipping boy for Kaining and DR’s rise is secondary to the fact that it simply exists. Noting that, I think the evidence is relatively clear at this point that A. SF needs to escape tier 8 and B. It’s becoming exceedingly tougher for them to do so for reasons very eloquently stated in several places in this thread.

I don’t have much to add to the conversation. Most of my ideas about fixing the system have already been stated more eloquently by others than I could manage. But it’s a thread worth bumping for bumping’s sake.

Though it’s probably worth reiterating a few points.

A. I think most Fergies and ETs aren’t complaining about being in Tier 8. Speaking for myself, I don’t give jack squat about what tier Ferg is in. All I care about is having a playing field that is as fair and level as possible. This isn’t the case in T8 right now. Anybody arguing otherwise is either trolling or foolish.

B. As has been pointed out by those smarter than me, the math in T8 needs to be tweaked or fixed. The sooner the better for all involved.

C. To go into WvW, spend gold on upgrades and repairs, is like flushing time and money down the kittenter right now in Ferguson’s Crossing. It’s not fun anymore. And the problem is only going to get worse as the weeks drag on and no fix is introduced. We don’t need a solution tomorrow. We needed it about 3 weeks ago.

Thanks for all the (mostly) thoughtful and enlightening posts in this thread. I read through the whole thing, actually. Definitely not a waste of time for somebody wondering what the problem is and wondering how it can be fixed.

Elementalist Owner.7802:

Personally I never started corpse dancing/jumping/laughing/whatever until it started popping up as a problem on the forums. It happens to me all the time lol, really nothing to get upset about. As far as JP camping goes, I don’t do it but really why would we let you have free seige? It’s a war. Could you imagine if the French asked Germany for free weapons during World War II? It would be baffling.

And zerging annoys you? Well tough. I don’t care if it’s honorable or not, if it works and it isn’t against GW2 rules I will use it. Believe it or not, zerging is a tactic. Zerging is available to all servers, not just SF. Connecting back to the WWII reference, imagine if the French also asked Germany to stop fighting in mass because it was dishonorable, or it made them seem like “distasteful” people.

I will stress again that this is a war. No matter what tactic we need to use, red = dead. We are enemies, whether you like it or not. If you want a place where people are always polite, I’m sure you’ll love PvE.

But all of this aside, I’m proud to say that the waypoint at ET keep I ordered has been built, woo transportation. Let’s play a game… find the blue or red.

Oh my goodness. I think I just spotted somebody equating a videogame to an actual war that killed millions of people. No, I will not bite on that analogy. So lets try to reign in the rhetoric here a bit.

First, I don’t fault SF for steamrolling. You’re doing what you gotta do. As a Ferg player, it sucks balls, but I get it. Second, I could give two squirts of kitten about any dancing/laughing/pointing. If you do it, wonderful. If not, keep on keeping it classy. Either way, it doesn’t earn badges or points, so who cares. Most of us are teleporting out and not seeing it in any event. But I agree with the posters earlier who noted that complaining about it just gives the griefers validation. Besides, 9/10 I find that the SF horde is too busy stampeding over my body to actually take the time to dance on it. If they’re laughing/dancing, they’re not zerging, and that’s almost a good thing.

Third, these pictures SF folks are posting of EB being green? So… I’m supposed to be impressed? EB has almost been perma green for a solid two weeks or so. It’s far more unusual when there are spots of blue or red in EB. Post pictures of that, because that’s the crazy kitten that’ll blow minds right there. Fourth, it seems that many of us are in agreement that even groups of ET/FC seem to own similar sized groups of SF. Personally, I think it has less to do with the ‘skill’ than simply you guys have largely numbed yourself to small fights by riding the steamroller. By the time you realize that X fight isn’t going to come easy because you don’t have the numbers, it’s often too late. However, let me be the first to say that I’ve seen plenty of talented, hard-nosed SF toons rolling around that know how to smack kittenes up in small fights. This is fact.

Fifth, if pure server numbers are king, coverage is queen. Whilst I’m not advocating simply bending over and taking it, generally speaking, FC just can’t field the numbers to turn back SF when they get going. I don’t care if everyone is in one map or not. I’ve seen it firsthand a mob of Ferg get laid out by a super-mob of SF. We can’t super-mob in Ferg. That’s just the way it is. We could probably get away with protecting our BL fairly well if that’s where every WvW toon in Ferg stayed. Even then, I’m not so sure from a numbers standpoint. But the point is that we’d still lose because we can’t hold our BL and take another one because we simply lack the numbers to sustain and defend. And this is doubly true in regards to SF because their coverage typically dwarfs ours. That’s why they can turn the map green when nobody is around. We’d do the same thing in their situation. So I don’t begrudge that tactic by any stretch. Last, I’m eagerly awaiting SF getting the hell out. Nothing personal, but I’m at the point where I’d just be glad to get steamrolled by somebody different, if nothing else. But I also realize that it may not happen as soon as any of us would like. Thems the breaks. Yeah, I’ll still WvW and kill a few SF. And probably get killed more often than I kill. But I’m not exactly feeling guilty that my interest and time in WvW is going to be severely limited until somebody else slides into that green spot. Maybe then it will get better. Hell, maybe it will be another month of soul-crushing domination by HoD. Or whatever server eventually falls. I can’t say, but what I can say is that, at this point, I’d prefer the devil I don’t know over the one I do.

Waffler.1257:

geekanerd.4123:

I see diversity in WvW all the time. All the thieves and mesmers have different haricuts, armor, faces, and what not. I always take note of how diverse the character creator allows an individual to be whilst being kitten by a thief/mesmer/guardian zerg. I mean, after I’ve been stomped, not much else to do other than take in the toons trampling over my broken, sad little body.

That’s amazing that you can see the haircuts and faces of the thieves. I just hear dagger noises and see puffs of smoke. Occasionally I’ll see some assassin’s creed lookin mutha off in the distance running away.

’’

Look. I’m not here to brag. At all. But it is a skill I’ve acquired after countless thieves have spiked and stomped me over the months. Sometimes, as they’re running away, but before you WP in anger, you can catch just a glimpse of their features. It takes talent. And a willingness to fight level 80 thieves on low-level characters. Well. Much more of the latter than the former, but, hey.

curtis.8976:

why does everyone hate on necros there not as bad as you make them out to be i love mine and i can kill anyone thiefs are a bit tricky though

You’re not the first necro player I’ve seen who seems to have trouble with thieves. I only bring it up ‘cause my necro is the only toon I play where I have zero respect for thieves. I want them to come try me. I’m much more cautious around them in smaller groups on my engi, ranger, or ele.

Note, I’m not trying to imply that I win every one on one with a thief. I don’t. But I certainly feel like I can win every one of them, which is the point. I rarely get stomped by them, in any case, and even if I don’t down them I’m relatively effective in chasing them off to harass somebody who is an easier target. Necro marks can be pretty amazing little tools when utilized correctly.

Yeah, one vs one you can do well with a dagger. Or one vs two if you clearly outclass your opponents. Sometimes I use a mainhand dagger to quickly finish off a weakened opponent even in Zergtown. Otherwise, I put that dagger away and start dropping marks and only use it for it’s AoE skills. At least, in my kittenty opinion, that’s the best way to roll dagger-style.

I see diversity in WvW all the time. All the thieves and mesmers have different haricuts, armor, faces, and what not. I always take note of how diverse the character creator allows an individual to be whilst being kitten by a thief/mesmer/guardian zerg. I mean, after I’ve been stomped, not much else to do other than take in the toons trampling over my broken, sad little body.

Tekyn.5376:

Kiexcolo.2416:

The problem is the commander might actually just be a random person… or worse… but not to say this isn’t a good idea. The thing is they have to first fix how a commander rank can be obtained.

Exactly right. Until they fix how commander tags are obtained all this is for nothing. Being a commander does not inherently make anyone better at wvw, nor does it make what they say in map chat any more important.

This. And let it be further noted that I am a commander, and little of what I say is important, and there are plenty of people better at WvWvW than I am. But I seem to be in the minority that realizes this. Still, I seldom talk. Or command. I just had 100g to spend on a blue hat to prove a point that most commanders are kittenes. You’re welcome, good commanders.

Hey ET dudes. Ferg here. Sometimes we fight and it’s awesome. We make pretty solid opponents. Yet, there is a river of Sorrow’s Furnace stooges so often in the way. I wave at you, at times, from across it. So it goes.

Lots of love,

Blue Map

Dog.1472:

I have three characters now that have fully completed every WvW map and I play on a high populated server. It is definitely not impossible.

I like having people pushed into WvW because it gets people to experience it. I’m sure there are those who wouldn’t have played it otherwise that ended up being hooked simply because their quest to 100% brought them there.

Besides, what reason do people have to 100%? Right now, the only reason is to get an ingredient needed for the legendary weapons. What do legendaries represent? Experience in all areas of the game. Removing WvW participation from that requirement means legendaries will lose part of their meaning. They are intended for people that have seen all there is in GW2, not for people that only play part of it.

I agree somewhat with the spirit of your post, but not the reality of it. One could enjoy WvWvW, get good at it, get their 500 badges, and still not be able to get certain POIs or Vistas on an enemy map. Maybe for weeks. Perhaps for months. That’s not just speculation: I’ve seen it first hand. And anybody who says that PvE people should just round up 20 people and go take towers have obviously not played against servers who control their own maps with an iron fist because of server population issues.

Look, I have my 100% completion. I’m a commander on my server. I have my Gift of Battle. I enjoy W3 lots. So I’m not just some PvE QQer who can’t map complete. But I get frustration of those who can’t. The best idea I’ve seen is to reduce the map clear to your Borderlands and perhaps EB. Those have the highest chances of every POI and Vista becoming available within a reasonable amount of time. But the idea that a person might have to wait weeks and weeks just to get a couple of vistas is pretty silly.

Oh, and one more thing. It’s a very bad example, this whole, ‘What about the WvWers that have to clear PvE maps for complete.’ Really? Don’t make me explain why that’s just poor reasoning. C’mon, y’all are better than that. It’s relatively easy to get every PoI and Vista and Heart solo in PvE. Does it take time? Yes. But there’s no obstruction in the way other than your own pace and skill. At worst, some skill points might need one more person, but it’s not mandatory for a player with a modicum of ability. Even in Orr. The same can’t be said about knocking down keep doors and taking out the Champ in the control pad.

TL;DR: This even isn’t an argument so much about map clears as it is about being reasonable. If a person wants a legendary, they’re going to have to get involved in WvWvW regardless. But don’t force people into unnecessary waiting and/or server transfers just to get some silly PoI on a map that their server can’t get into. That’s punishing a player for something they typically have little control over.

It’s not fun anymore. SF has ruined it, just like DR and Kaining before them. It’s never going to be a fair fight as long as these more populated servers are allowed to beat up on lower populated ones. I speak for a lot of us when I say it’s beyond old having a SF zerg around every corner on every map. What’s worse is that on an even playing field we’ll destroy SF groups 8 times out of 10 (except for those KING mesmers. I really dislike you guys, but I respect hell out of ya). But this is rarely a game of quality when quantity wins the day, and zerg is King. Yes, I realize Sorrow’s is likely to go away. Yes, the replacement server will probably still have more people than Ferg’s and ET combined. Nothing like a healthy status quo as far as that goes. Still, a change of scenery is welcome. It’d be nice to have a week where we at least believe we have a chance.

—Just Another Disillusioned Ferg

Erebus.7568:

Paine.2513:

Salvo

So not having a function to group for dungeons (an endgame function for all intents and purposes) is incredibly shortsighted to lack at 5 months since release.

Exactly. Beta didn’t test end game, and they’ve done jack to fix this since release. I quit the game in October after I hit 80 because end game is so bad. Organizing instances is a chore, and if you play on an odd schedule you miss out on a lot of WvW. I keep checking back on the forums everyone once in a while because I’d be willing to come back if they make changes to LFG.

Their lack of response is shocking, especially since they did respond well to many issues during the beta. The only thing they’ve done for LFG is sticky a post 3 months ago and allow players to comment/suggest/beg for changes with absolutely no dev response. It’s insulting. I wish I could get some money back for this incomplete garbage game. I wouldn’t have bought it if I knew they weren’t going to support it after it went live.

i do agree its incredible they havent done anything to better this.

personally i would like compensation for my time wasted in the game and not just refunds..

i also find it extremely insulting to the community and a kick in the balls saying “we dont care even the tiniest bit about you” when something this importent and SO EASY to implement and program isnt made yet and there is no official plans to make it… its a direct offense and its laugheble that whoever is in charge of this still got a job at any company within the game market.

You don’t speak for the community. And as I don’t feel insulted by ArenaNet and am not looking for compensation, you certainly don’t speak for me. Seems like you’re trying to be some sort of community mouthpiece of the ‘lfg issue’ just because you happen to be in agreement with a handful of other people in a forum. You never got my vote. Also, I don’t think you really have any concept on how easy — or not — something is to code, especially in regards to GW2’s systems. So… yeah. Your rhetoric is pretty silly.

Should they implement a more robust LFG system? Yes. Are people overreacting much to the limitations of the current system? In my view, absolutely. If this is the issue that’s the game breaker for ya, maybe go try Minesweeper. Or solitaire. Because anything more complex is just gonna kitten you off, I reckon.

I think you guys are being a little hard on Savan. I get where he’s coming from. Sometimes things just get nerfed. C’est la vie. Don’t complain about it. Don’t make any noise. Just accept it because that’s just how the status quo rolls. You know, because ArenaNet always makes the right choices and proper balance decisions. It’ll work out.

Or not. But it doesn’t matter, because ArenaNet doesn’t need to know how unhappy people are with this nerf. Nah, lets all just be quiet and hide under our desks and just cross our fingers and pucker our kitten and hope that they make things right. Which if people don’t kitten, they’ll never know what mistakes they make, but that’s not the point! It’s a lesson that applies to other areas of life, as well. For instance, who has the balls to complain about working conditions at Foxconn? Sometimes working conditions are just nerfed. No point in whining about it. I’m sure Foxconn would make the appropriate changes for its workers without a very loud and public outcry. Absolutely. For sure. Probably. Maybe. Or not.

I’m a staunch Necro defender. I love playing it. I’ve never kittened about anything about the class. Not because I thought it was perfect, but A. Others say what I could more better and B. Some of it gets pretty frivolous. But, c’mon. This change is just silly. I actually feel like ArenaNet is trolling us.

“Hey, Bill.”
“’Sup, Ted?”
“You think those necromancer players are kitten now? Wait until they get blasted in the face by this sticky load of nerf I got brewed up.”
Bill looks over the changes, start to laugh maniacally “It’s… beautiful! I wish I could see the look on their stupid necromancer faces. Ted, sir, you are an evil genius.”
Ted just nods and presses the enter key

In my mind, this last change was pretty close to exactly that.

Rukia.4802:

Well OP asks why I feel the way I do but honestly you took all the words out of my mouth and as I’ve stated these issues across the boards for months they all go ignored by ANet. It’s clear they are aiming towards a new demographic not old GW fans so we are being left behind in the dust.

That’s the sad fact and yes it hurts :/ RIP GW franchise, at least we still have a dead game to go back to though right…?

I saw some kid mention rose colored glasses.. all I’ll say to you is go back to the WoW forums please, leave that stuff out of these boards. These are all legitimate complaints.

And that particular member had some quite legitimate answers to many of those complaints. He or she was also quite articulate and thoughtful with the post. Not attacking, or rude. Maybe you should go back to the WoW forums with that kittenty attitude, eh?

Also, why are so many people coming out and speaking for GW1 players as a whole? Surprise: You don’t. Lots of words being thrown around like ‘most’ and ‘we’ and ‘us’. You can speak for yourself, yes, but I certainly didn’t sign off on my voice being lumped in with the all the naysayers. I logged 2000+ hours into the first Guild Wars, and I certainly don’t agree with much of what has been spouted in this thread like it’s some sort of community manifesto all of us have unwittingly signed.

Though I don’t want to take anything from some of the points that have been raised. Yes, I would like more variety in builds. Yes, I’d like my actions to have a more lasting presence in the game world than just a ten minute pause between the bandits coming back for the 10,000th time. Bugs need to be fixed. Balance issues addressed. Not arguing that. But the rhetoric from the grumpy-bums around here is getting nauseating.

But what do I know? I’m just a long-time Guild Wars player that happens to love Guild Wars 2, despite its imperfections. So return to your previously scheduled kittening.

Last I checked on Saturday, the Arah metavent was bugged at the take Jorah to Jorah’s Holdfast portion on Ferguson’s Crossing.

I don’t know if that’s what you’re asking about or not, in the sense that you mean just the Gates themselves are broken or the Arah sequence as a whole. Either way, it’s been bugged on our server for several days, at least as of this past weekend.

My favorite people are the ones that come in to complain that since X people got to run an exploit, they should be able to run an exploit. Good logic. After watching TV coverage of Hurricane Katrina a few years back, I went down to my local Best Buy and and smashed open the windows and stole a bunch of plasma TVs. When the cops arrested me and asked me why I did it, I told them because I saw a bunch of other people doing it on TV so I figured I should be able to do it, too. We all agreed and went and had some ice cream.

Winner-winner, chicken dinner. Okay, maybe farming the first boss on that path in Arah isn’t a textbook ‘exploit’, but at the end of the day just because somebody else took advantage of something, doesn’t mean everybody is obligated to it. Don’t work that way.

Somebody in my guild mentioned this teleporting bot thing a few days ago. Didn’t think much of it until I was recently clearing Harathi Hinterlands. Saw two in the space of just a few minutes, both on mining nodes. They suddenly appear — one appeared to be ‘stuck’ in the node itself — minded it and then teleported right on out.

Couldn’t catch it on a bug report or botting report. I’ll try to be quick next time I run into one. But they’re definitely porting around out there.

drkn.3429:

It’s not about very specific team builds, it’s about proper speccing.
Don’t go condition damage. Don’t have more than 1 necromancer (sorry, they simply are not suited for AC3 in bigger numbers). Don’t rely on crits. Go pure power. Have enough object-damage.

3 people in any combination of ele/war/engi can get it done with ease. Even low level.
Elementalists can spawn ice bows for everyone to use (including those pesky necros), whose 4th skill is absolutely godly against burrows. Other than that – grenades, 100b, ele fire staff + glyph of storms.

Most of my guild teams get all burrows destroyed and all monsters killed at 85~86% mark of the collectors, and we’re dancing around for a while.

You’re wrong. I’ve done AC3 with three necros, a guardian, and a thief. We finished the burrows off at about 90% left, giving us enough time to partake in the requisite dancing afterwards. Necros dropping wells and alternating lich elites kill burrows pretty kitten fast. See, the strange rut people get into about classes is that they forget it’s less to do with what type of character people play and more about the player behind it. I’ll take a team full of necros that ‘get it’ over a team full of eles/engi/wars that don’t.

I’ve never had a problem running my necro in Fractals. Guild or PUG. Speedclear or otherwise. Probably just lucky, I suppose. I’m genuinely sorry to see that this is a problem, though. Sucks.

Whew. It’s hot in here. Yes, the Lost Shores event has been squirreled up in various ways. I get it. The complaints are largely valid, even if, in my opinion, the reactions are borderline crazy internet QQ suicide life-is-so-tough meaninglessness diatribes. So quit. Go back to your WoWs or FTP Star Wars or whatever the squid you drop GW2 for. Chances are, if a broken event is what is making you weep these woe-is-me tears, you’re probably not the type who is actively running dungeons with Guildies or friends. You’re probably not the type who can find a score other things to do outside of Lost Shores. And it’s just too much hand-holding to keep the lot of ya happy. So don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

This isn’t excusing ArenaNet’s dropping the ball somewhat this weekend. It sucks. I’m on board with the sentiment. Only, it’s at a 8 right now, and it needs to be more like a 4. Maybe a 5. And, somehow, life will go on.

Also, I love the Fractals dungeon. It is pure kitten And, no, that’s not me just looking for something to like. I enjoy going in there with my Guild and working through it. A lot. Good work, guys.

Ferguson’s Crossing. LA Overflow. Event triggered and finished about 10 minutes ago.

Ratphink.4751:

Arvid.3829:

From what I’ve read so far, I like it. I don’t see how you could QQ about this, but then I have faith some people will find a way… (Ah, there are still some certainties in life.)

People are QQing because they wanted all the Profession notes to be for the Necromancer.

Also note the amount of people calling out obvious bug fixing as ‘nerfs’ because they were bugs that worked in our favour. A bug is a bug. It’s not a nerf if it wasn’t working as intended in the first place.

Yeah, it makes me laugh a little when people cry about a bug being fixed being a ‘nerf’.

When I read those remarks it sounds, in my head, like Duuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Pochibella.8394:

Badges for Legendaries, map completion, and monthly achievements are not PVE. You can use the legendaries in wvw. Map completion shouldn’t be simple, it should be an achievement from completing all of the maps. Otherwise it would be just some of the maps completion. And the monthly achievements have always had kill 50 players on it right? I hate doing dungeons. Does this mean that Anet should remove that from achievements and monthlies?

There are things in the game that are not enjoyable to everyone. I think we can all agree that being killed by puzzle campers isn’t enjoyable for anyone! Being the campers is a lot more fun than being the camped. So don’t be the one camped. If you get there, and it’s camped. Come back later. You don’t have to do it right this second.

That’s not really a great argument. The three percent of the map achievement that lays in WvWvW is difficult only in the sense that, for some servers, it’s virtually unattainable unless you switch. It’s an answer to the problem, yes, but not really a good one. Otherwise, map clearing in the higher-level PvE zones — Orr, especially — much more arduous a task than following your server’s zergs around. If you happen to be on one that has successful ones, anyway. Therein lies a problem for some. But you ask if ArenaNet should remove dungeons from the achievements? No, but they should separate PvP achievements from PvE. In my opinion. Otherwise, there is always going to be QQ. And, look, I’m not complaining: I don’t mind hopping into WvWvW and getting my 50 slays a month and then getting out. It’s fine, for me. I just get where people are coming from when they say that they rather wouldn’t. It’s a sort of heavy-handed way of arm-twisting people participate in an element of the game that they might not even enjoy. You know, just because there are parts of game that aren’t ‘enjoyable’ doesn’t mean we should just accept it as it is and move on. This can be a better gaming experience for everyone.

GregT.4702:

I don’t WvW much because:
(a) Takes forever to run from the spawn point to the action. Too much downtime before I get to have fun.
(b) Things are rarely balanced at the macro level. Too often we either control the entire map or we control none of the map and are penned up at our spawn point. Either way, not fun.
© Things are rarely balanced at the micro level. Either I’m part of a huge zerg and everything’s already dead before I get to it, or I’m on my own and I get hunted and killed by the first enemy to spot me.
(d) I’ve done it already. Same reason I don’t go back and replay the zones I’ve finished much – I’ve seen the content and moved on.
(e) No recognition of personal effort. I pull out my big AoEs and things die – but everyone else was doing the same thing. Was my AoE helpful? Or did I miss entirely? Am I just sitting here being useless? How would I know?
(f) Costs of being relevant are too high. I don’t want to spend my silver buffing outposts or buying siege plans when we’re just going to lose all the terrain again overnight. I have better things to do with that silver that I’ll see the benefit of personally.
(g) The map’s confusing. The shortest path from a spawn point to the action is rarely a straight line – there are cliffs and bridges and water and falling damage and gates and it’s just a pain trying to actually find the battles and take part in them.
(h) PvP players are the worst. They’re exactly the people I’d least choose to hang out with of my own accord.

This. And many of the addendums people have added over the course of this thread. The walk, though. The walk. I’ve often said it in dungeons with some of the more, ah, distant WPs, but it applies to some extent in WvWvW, too: It’s not the dying that bothers me so much. It’s the long walk back that rubs it in my face. No bueno.

Kindeller.3072:

Not gonna lie and dont take this as braging but more simply events and things that i’ve seen. There are level 30’s and 40’s out there who are better and more use in a dungeon than several 80’s around simply because they know the class and skills they use inside out. Down to the combos and where to be. Level and 100 extra points in a certain attribute mean less to me than knowledge of the class and role of the build.

As a bottom line, if you play like a kitten you don’t deserve to be there… level 80 or not.

Oh, goodness. This and more of this. I noticed a trend in this thread where people were equating level 80 = good player, level < 80 =/ not good player. Wait, what? No, this is unequivocally untrue. I’ll take somebody on a level 35 toon who I know rocks — whether they’ve done the friggin’ dungeon or not — over some level 80 who doesn’t get the concept of teamwork.

Every.
Single.
Time.

And my Guild full-well knows that if I’m trying to get a level or two squeezed out of my level 40 ele, I’m still almost always going to be the better option than some random 80 PUP. Because I get playing in a team, cooperation, support, dungeon layout, where to run, when to fight, etc. etc. etc. That accounts for more than stats. Point is, this idea that just because somebody can get to level 80, that makes them a good player, is just as silly as an idea that just because someone can breed, they’ll be a good parent.

Nope. There are so many more tangibles and intangibles to it than just your ability to accumulate experience points.

WasAGuest.4973:

Azjenco.9425:

Eadgyt.5987:

Personally I like Orr, a lot..
It’s supposed to be annoying (hard), after all, you’re far behind the arch-enemy’s lines..
Why would there be safe-points?

:)

I still don’t see how people are mixing annoying and hard, it’s not the same thing.
For instance, most waypoints are contested so you need to run where you need to go, that’s an annoyance, not a challenge. I can’t walk five steps without being snared, so I stop and take down the five risen on my back, they’re an annoyance, not a challenge.

Like you said, we are behind enemy lines, of the strongest enemy in Tyria, and yet his forces are a rag-tag bunch of annoyances just standing around? It seems a bit too sloppy to be a zone at war.

Someone else made this suggestion, and I think it’s so brilliant, I’ll repost it.

Let us actually make a push and fight for the zones. Let each zone have a camp, and from there you need to take the zone, fight back the undead in a tug of war. They take, and control territory, that you then need to take back the land. Fight all the way to the temples to actually unlock them, and make it all worth your while to actually stand behind the Pact. Orr should feel cohesive, not scattered. And depending on who controls an area, that side will have patrols.

The confusion on “Annoying” and “Hard” baffles me too.

Orr is not hard, it’s annoying.
Fireheart is much more difficult, but it’s fun. – IMO of course.

Another person on page two mentioned this as well; It’s almost like two completely different conversations are going on… and it’s pretty funny.

Player 1: Orr is no fun.
Player 2: l2p, it’s supposed to be hard.
Player 1 (now confused): I didn’t say I was having a hard time, I said it wasn’t fun.
Player 2: l2p or group.
Player 1 (probably laughing by this point): No, it’s not a difficulty thing, it’s a fun thing. It’s annoying.
Player 2: So because you are having a hard time you want it dumbed down like WoW?
Player 1: wth?

Of course, I find the same mentality when bringing up WvW. I don’t find that fun either. I find WvW also annoying and not very fun. I told a guildie yesterday I wasn’t planning on getting 100% on any of my alts. They asked “Why?” and I said “WvW was annoying to have to play in.”
Her reply was “It’s not that bad. I never got ganked and found it easy to get where I needed to go.”
I laughed and said “What does that have to do with the fun factor?”
She continued assuming I just thought it was hard “I can help you.”
I had to reply “I think you are forgetting I already have a 100% and already told everyone I thought it was easy. It’s not FUN. And if I want PvP I load up Planetside 2.” – which I then asked her if she wanted an invite key into that. She said “No. I don’t like FPS.”
I asked “Why?” and she said “I don’t find them fun.”

I was so tempted to say “It’s not that bad, I can help you.”

/facepalm

Exactly. I don’t find Orr especially hard. Just pretty friggin’ annoying. It’s not even… well, look, I don’t mind contested Way Points. I get it. Gotta keep events moving along. I just don’t like that I might spend 20-30 minutes unlocking a WP, and then five minutes later it’s under attack and lost after I leave. To be fair, this isn’t just an Orr problem, it is a game problem. I guess it’s digressing from the topic a bit, but there are a number of events world-wide that a guy or gal can spend a lot of time working to clear, just to have it over taken by mobs a few minutes after ya leave. It sucks. Not just mechanically, but also on my moral. What’s the point of investing a lot of time into an area just to have it all back to contested points and respawned mobs 30 minute later? I dunno. I don’t know what the answer is, either. I understand that people want to run events — they’re not just for me. I understand I’m not the only one out there that wants to do kitten. Still, I find it just kinda depressing in a way.

However, being part of a good group that got the pwn in on the Priest of Balthazar was fun. Even the run up to opening the gates of Arah is fun — when it works. There are things to like in Orr, especially when focused in a group setting. Solo… well. Meh. Less is more, as far as I’m concerned. And putrifiers can suck my Hostess ding-dong. True story, I was running away from a mob in Orr and I decided to call it a night. I ported back to Lion’s Arch. kitten putrifier actually pulled me back out of Lion’s Arch and into Malchor’s Leap where a farmer than knocked me down so the risen mob could then proceed to curb-stomp the living kitten out of my toon. NO WHERE IS SAFE. NO WHERE.

I’m in a medium-sized guild for PvE. I’m also in a small guild for WvW that I like to represent when I’m there. Which isn’t frequently, but I like to toss them the rep. Anyway, we chat, we run dungeons together, many in the PvE dungeon run W3 together. We have a sense of community, we enjoy playing together. Nobody is forcing anybody to be there. There are no requirements to represent — though I’m not philosophically opposed to culling members who never represent, but if they’re off and on, no worries.

Point is, the OP, to me, sounds more miffed that X player didn’t respect his Authoritah, rather than he wasn’t representing his Guild. And that isn’t very copacetic, and it’ll seldom lead to having a tight-knit Guild. To point, I am very aware of who my Guild Leader is. But that has nothing to do with the point that he’s rubbing it my face. If not for the little, silly symbol next to his name, I’d never know the difference between him and any other friend in the Guild. That’s what’s important. Not wielding some sort of stick to keep people in line. I don’t think that’s effective leadership.

To the OP:

I’m in the same boat, dude. 98% completion, with just a handful of VPs and PoIs on just two of the W3 maps. Just a handful, but they might as well be on Mars for all the chance me or my server has at taking them. It’s just not going to happen anytime in the near future.

Only thing to do? It’s been said: Transfer. At least for the 7 days. I love my home server, I love my Guild, and that’s where my buddies are at. So I’d never abandon it unless everyone mass-migrated out. So it’s kind of clunky that ArenaNet is offering few viable solutions as potent as the server switch to get it done. So it goes.

It’s been said before, and I’ll say it again: PvE needs to be removed from PvP. Period. I have little use for W3. I shouldn’t be made to go there to map complete. If they wanted to add a separate PvP map complete? Great. Just don’t tack it on to my PvE exploration. That’s just my kitteny opinion, but I think it’s not too far off base today.

I don’t know if it’s ‘worth’ it or not. Mileage will vary player by player, as it’s been said numerous times. Also, I’ve read a lot of back and forth about the system and whether it does or doesn’t favor botters over legit players, gold buyers over hardcore fans. I dunno. Don’t even really care. I’m not so wrapped up into it that I lose sleep over whether aghaj with his bow and bear running circles up in Fireheart Rise is scamming his way into some skin.

What I do know is that, long term, I’ll eventually cobble enough stuff together to get some sort of legendary. Won’t be today, won’t be tomorrow, probably won’t even be six months from now. And I’m okay with that.

I think that if people are setting up siege weapons in the jumping puzzle areas in WvWvW, it’s debatably a kitteny thing to do, but not necessarily griefing. You go into PvP, you’re potential fodder for whatever your opponent comes up with to kill ya. End of story.

Still, lets call a spade a spade: Some people are doing this because it’s a tactic to prevent people from getting blueprints and badges. Most people are doing this just because it’s fun to kitten with people trying to complete a jumping puzzle. I think if you’re trying to paint some picture to the otherwise, like this is some sort of noble undertaking that a few dedicated souls have committed themselves to for the betterment of team and server, you’re either really naive or dense.

Also, ArenaNet should really take any PvE elements — Badges for Legendaries, map completion, monthly achievements — out of the PvP realm. It would negate many of the issues that seem to crop up. As it is, with carebears being sort of shoehorned into PvP to get their completionist tendencies fulfilled, it’s never going to mix well. Oil on water, man.

I’ve only ever read on the forums of these incidents where people are booted from a dungeon group for being one particular class or another. I’ve never actually seen it happen in-game. Not saying that it doesn’t happen, but I’ve taken dozens of runs into every dungeon on the game — with Guild members as often as pick-ups — and have yet to ever see anybody even mention kicking somebody out of a group simply because they are an ‘unwanted’ class. Seems to me the OP just needs to find some nicer folks to play with.

If he/she keeps playing, anyway. Which I have not even a small iota of care invested into. But trying to paint the game as a bunch of jerkholes who only want Guardians and Warriors in their groups is just not accurate.

Are the starting areas underpopulated compared to what they were a month ago? Absolutely. I guess I don’t care that much, though, as I’ve found the vast, vast majority of PvE content to be perfectly manageable solo. Which I like. Granted, it’s not everybody’s cup o’ tea, but as it stands I’ve found that if I clear a few maps and hit a dynamic event or two between each story quests, I have no problem staying leveled with the personal story content.

I think you folks hoping that there is going to be some sweeping, crazy patch in the near future that is going to cure all the Necro’s ills are just setting yourselves up to be discouraged and disappointed. It may get there, slowly. Or it may not. Who knows? As far as dev blackouts go, we’re in one that is about as dark as a CIA water-boarding cell in Istanbul.

So I can only recommend that y’all get used to playing it as it is, more or less. And if that don’t butter your bread, best you move on to something not so… broken. I mean, we’re losing sight that ArenaNet was still balancing professions years and years after the first Guild Wars was released. Hell, they even nuked an entire profession and nearly started from scratch on it. My advice is to keep expectations lean. For the record, I’m not complaining, just stating the facts. I love playing my necro. But I’ve learned to accept it for what it is.

I’ve ran into this bug last night. Norn storyline, Dredging Up the Past and whatever mission was right before it. Audio seems to skip every other line, more or less. Also had more general audio issues in Dredging Up the Past during the fight itself — ambient audio went in and out, music disappeared. Everything seems fine in general exploration mode, however.

This is still an issue. A group of maybe a dozen of us killed Rhendak who got stuck in the ceiling. Didn’t drop, couldn’t open chest.