Guild Wars 2

Virtute.8251:

geekanerd.4123:

Reverence.6915:

zen.6091:

Reverence.6915:

I play late Oceanic to early SEA (3-7am server time) and it’s quiet as hell compared to NA populations and filled with pvdoor already so I can’t imagine how quiet it gets in lower tiers…

Also, TC is the only server currently experiencing 4 map queues outside of reset night…

People take to PvD and give up defending at all when one server can field a massive blob that no one wants to even try to defend against for hours on end, if they even have upgraded structures and supplies to bunker with.

A full queue doesn’t mean there’s quality activity on the map either. Usually it’s either huge guild blobs causing the server to stop working, or ton’s of afks and tower huggers doing nothing.

If you take a hard look at it, yes there are some potentially more exciting aspects of play on higher tiers with more numbers and guilds, but some of the issues with coverage and number disparities at any given moment are also amplified rather than evened out.

This is just a gross misunderstanding on how the highest ranked servers work. PVD isn’t cause one side is fielding a massive zerg, it’s because there’s not that many to fight against, allowing groups to hop maps to ninja anything that isn’t upgraded.

That’s not necessarily true, either. On more than one occasion, I’ve seen the enemy zerg actively do anything in its power to avoid fighting. A lot of people are there just to hit doors, hit champs, collect a exotic bag, and move on to the next tower. They’ve zero interest in engaging against the enemy unless it’s by a overwhelming margin.

Also known as “havok squads” and “ninjas”. It’s a fair play. The PvF surrounding it is all bluster.

Yeah, I know what a “havok squad” is. 50 to 60 man blobs isn’t a havok squad. Nor when they man-mode a door down in 2 minutes is it a “ninja”. At least not by any definition I’ve ever heard in the game.

Reverence.6915:

zen.6091:

Reverence.6915:

I play late Oceanic to early SEA (3-7am server time) and it’s quiet as hell compared to NA populations and filled with pvdoor already so I can’t imagine how quiet it gets in lower tiers…

Also, TC is the only server currently experiencing 4 map queues outside of reset night…

People take to PvD and give up defending at all when one server can field a massive blob that no one wants to even try to defend against for hours on end, if they even have upgraded structures and supplies to bunker with.

A full queue doesn’t mean there’s quality activity on the map either. Usually it’s either huge guild blobs causing the server to stop working, or ton’s of afks and tower huggers doing nothing.

If you take a hard look at it, yes there are some potentially more exciting aspects of play on higher tiers with more numbers and guilds, but some of the issues with coverage and number disparities at any given moment are also amplified rather than evened out.

This is just a gross misunderstanding on how the highest ranked servers work. PVD isn’t cause one side is fielding a massive zerg, it’s because there’s not that many to fight against, allowing groups to hop maps to ninja anything that isn’t upgraded.

That’s not necessarily true, either. On more than one occasion, I’ve seen the enemy zerg actively do anything in its power to avoid fighting. A lot of people are there just to hit doors, hit champs, collect a exotic bag, and move on to the next tower. They’ve zero interest in engaging against the enemy unless it’s by a overwhelming margin.

TheJewpacabro.2907:

Hello, I am ALS’s raid leader and WvW officer and I am happy to announce our return to our original home Anvil Rock.
With us we hope to bring four things we have learned in our time on dragonbrand. We will be returning with 150 active players, most of whom are experienced zerg busters with experience against guilds such as Ark, EP, AGG, FEAR, as well as the maguuman backplane blobs. We will be bringing four major game changers to Anvil Rock.

I knew it was bullkitten the moment I saw FEAR lumped in with AGG and EP. Maybe next time.

SoR is going to be a miserable place for WvW for the next few months. Even more so than it is now. We won’t fall fast enough to get into a bronze (which is where SoR, in my opinion, has a shot at being competitive) and we won’t be able to get reduced or free transfers. Basically, anybody who might be interested in a rebuild would have to pay 2400 gems to be curbstomped until May. I don’t know if there are any masochists with holes in their hearts deep enough for that kind of abuse.

morrolan.9608:

grave of hearts.7830:

I got more class bugs to be sore about than SoR absorbing and canibalising on arrival all the trolls and ego coms sos ever had.

I think you’ve built this up in your head far more than the reality. SOR got 4 guilds from SOS; tsym, afs, sox and ocx. Only tsym were a large guild, afs and ocx mutated into GC and sox were a minor guild then.

We weren’t enticed to SOR we were going to leave anyway it was just a question of where. We stayed far longer than we should have as well after most of the SOS guilds went to BG. And in fact even before we announced any decision to leave we were ostracised by the rest of SOS and were even banned from the SOS TS while were were still fighting for it.

And in terms of SOR imploding none of those guilds had anything to do with it. Tsym were gone from the game for months when tensions were rising, sox and GC were busy trying to stem the bleeding in oceanic leading the rallians in that timezone.

I remembered that SOX and OCX came from SoS. I forgot about Tsym and afs. Either way, I agree. SoR was already in a spiral well before SoX left.

grave of hearts.7830:

Well there was that one hint that sor was bound to implode considering a large portion of it was bandwagoneers.
Sure the political attitude was a major factor but when you see things from my point of view where half the sor tags were ex sos guilds that transfered because they wanted to win then it comes to no surprise to see discord tearing things apart.
I do have a large popcorn bag for when it happens to bg,that one will be far more interesting to analyze considering the server is stuck on full status.

I’m trying to figure out which bandwagon guilds came from SoS. I mean, within the last… six months? Because I’ve been on SoR about that long and it’s been a relatively stable environment, barring recent events. Hell, I know of more guilds that transferred to SoS in the last month or two than SoR. Point is, for guilds looking for easy wins and lots of coverage, SoR was never going to be that place. So throw out some guild names so this sounds less like horsekitten, neighbor.

Eiland.1405:

“…and i was playing in a dark room.”
tell us more please

Now that was funny. Neckbeards are fun to poke at.

Qaelyn.7612:

Bharel.4328:

We slapped a few dolyaks, picked off reinforcements, and took a supply camp. The commander was attacking garrison, we asked in map if they wanted us to join up with them. This time one of the members of the group that was on TS asked there as well. Still no answer. We go ahead and take a 2nd supply camp after they capture garrison and this exchange takes place.
Map: Hey are you guys that took Stargrove a guild group?
Us: No
Map: Are you in TS?
Us: 2 of us are
Map: Could you guys leave this bl so [blank] can get in?
Us: Why?
Map: You’re not following the commander’s orders and we’re trying to win here.

Man, if I saw an exchange like that on TC I would raise a royal stink. I wouldn’t blame anyone from being completely turned off after such treatment.

I admire your loyalty to your server, especially given experiences like that one.

Not that it excuses kittenery, but kittenhole commanders exist on every server. It’s hardly exclusive to SoR. I’ve seen it in FA, FC, EBay, and SF.

Balefire.7592:

geekanerd.4123:

Reslinal.2359:

I understand that bg’s superior coverage in season 1 put stress on sor, however I think it is the way sor’s leadership responded to this challenge that led to the ultimate demise of the server. Sor was not the only server that faced superior coverage problem. Jq was beaten by bg too, look at where it is now. When sor first entered t1, you were underdog too with worse coverage than season 1, yet you preserved and ended on top.

From what I hear from your players (like last meeting), the dominance of “fights only” group and asociated elitisim discourages casual players from playing, and the constant lose by big margin due to no support for ppt style of play destroyed sever morale and leave guilds like choo (said by choo representative) with fewer and fewer to recruit.

That’s essentially what I said above. There are a lot of factors in this; Blackgate’s stacking for the first season was the catalyst, but hardly the sole reason SoR as we know it is gone.

That said, is choo trying to come off as a martyr in all of this? I mean, I like the guys in choo, but c’mon. There were plenty of times choo abandoned hard points for fights in the field. And I say that as someone who understands and respects the undeniable fact that choo commanders put in more than their fair share of time running pugs and defending keeps. Yet, they ran tagless a lot, too. Just like TW, FEAR, HIRE and the rest. I personally had a couple experiences where we were getting throttled at a keep and we knew choo was tagless on the map and they never came to help. I’m not blaming or saying this is good or bad or anything. But lets not throw rocks in glass houses.

Choo was not in favor of tanking T2 (we lost more than one member in the process), and we kept on trucking as long as we could. But Choo couldn’t carry the server in PPT alone, nor would we ever want to.
We are well aware of the fact that our departure has harmed the server, but we had reached a tipping point. The server tanking had led to many PvX’ers abandoning WvW, and Choo was experiencing high burnout, with a steadily diminishing pool to recruit from. We were faced with server versus guild health, and unfortunately, the results are as you see. We love SoR dearly, as can be seen by by what our guild leader said in the last server meeting. The decision to move was long, arduous, and in my opinion, quite divisive, but it is what it is.

I’m not griping about Choo leaving. I get it. I think it’s safe to say at this point that nearly all of SoR ‘gets it’. It just sorta read that initial post like Choo was trying to imply that they never ran tagless or was just looking for fights. That’s what I was replying to, but, obviously, that’s not the case. No hate for my friends in Choo. We had a lot of fun together. Maybe will have more in the future. Who knows? For now, have fun over in TC.

One more thing I’d like to add is that I hear a lot about how pugs and PvXers were yelled at. I personally never witnessed this except from out of FEAR. Not saying it never happened from other sources, just that I never heard it. Either way, SoR might have had its kittens, but it also had a bunch of pretty awesome people who were a joy to run with. It wasn’t this kittenty server people are only now happily painting it to be now that it’s sinking under the waves.

Reslinal.2359:

I understand that bg’s superior coverage in season 1 put stress on sor, however I think it is the way sor’s leadership responded to this challenge that led to the ultimate demise of the server. Sor was not the only server that faced superior coverage problem. Jq was beaten by bg too, look at where it is now. When sor first entered t1, you were underdog too with worse coverage than season 1, yet you preserved and ended on top.

From what I hear from your players (like last meeting), the dominance of “fights only” group and asociated elitisim discourages casual players from playing, and the constant lose by big margin due to no support for ppt style of play destroyed sever morale and leave guilds like choo (said by choo representative) with fewer and fewer to recruit.

That’s essentially what I said above. There are a lot of factors in this; Blackgate’s stacking for the first season was the catalyst, but hardly the sole reason SoR as we know it is gone.

That said, is choo trying to come off as a martyr in all of this? I mean, I like the guys in choo, but c’mon. There were plenty of times choo abandoned hard points for fights in the field. And I say that as someone who understands and respects the undeniable fact that choo commanders put in more than their fair share of time running pugs and defending keeps. Yet, they ran tagless a lot, too. Just like TW, FEAR, HIRE and the rest. I personally had a couple experiences where we were getting throttled at a keep and we knew choo was tagless on the map and they never came to help. I’m not blaming or saying this is good or bad or anything. But lets not throw rocks in glass houses.

Yeah, there was a moment in this slide where SoR could have been a solid T2 or dominant T3 server. But when it rains it pours. People ghosted for JQ and TC. For many guilds (to paraphrase Pink Floyd) it’s better to have a walk on part in the war than a lead role in the play, I guess. Now I’d really have to be convinced that T3 is the bottom. It’s probably going to be T4 or T5.

Qaelyn.7612:

Basically, they gave up.

A couple of weeks ago a bunch of SoR people were in here proudly declaring that they “only care about fights” because “PPT doesn’t matter” and that they were essentially tanking on purpose to move from tier 1 to tier 2. And so they got slaughtered for a couple of straight weeks.

They seemed quite pleased about this, with some even expressing glee that they were (in their view) messing things up for BG and JQ.

Apparently quite a number of people on SoR still do realize that PPT and server pride do matter, and so they went to servers where others also care about winning regular WvW. Most of the others are probably still in EotM.

SoR had the ability to remove itself from tier 1, but not to decide where they would end up. It’s a great lesson in how hard it can be to stop a slide (in any context) once it starts.

Oh, and also a great example of how EotM is destroying WvW.

Yeah, they transferred to servers that have the populations and coverage that allow people to actually take objectives and hold them. SoR has not had that luxury for awhile. SoR’s fall has many different facets to it, but part of the responsibility is Blackgate’s. The server stack before the first season was the catalyst, in my opinion. Going into that initial season, there was a lot of enthusiasm on SoR. I don’t know how many of us actually thought we would take 1st, but there was an idea that we’d definitely be in the running for 2nd.

And then Blackgate CRUSHED the PPT war. Sure, prime-NA could take and defend keeps, but SoR simply couldn’t field enough people to defend through EU/OCX/SEA. So those keeps that we’d upgrade and waypoint would be paper by the time NA would get back on. So NA started putting in overtime. This led to burn out and resentment. Several guilds that wanted to log on and play couldn’t get into maps because guilds in earlier time-slots were putting in more hours. And to top it all off, all the extra playtime and attempts at coverage still didn’t matter. Blackgate rolled and JQ was right behind them.

So something happens when you don’t have coverage. The people who want to hold hard-points get upset with the people who realize that all the upgrading doesn’t matter when it’s all gone overnight. Rifts happen. The people that want to play for PPT leave to places where you can actually play for PPT. Then the server gets steamrolled even more and the guilds that supposedly want to ‘play for fights’ don’t like being crushed. So many of them go to stacked servers (which I blatantly don’t understand, but I guess I’m not required to). One thing leads to another and eventually a server ends up in the boat SoR is in. It isn’t the first; Kaining, IoJ, Dragonbrand, Devona’s Rest, among others, have seen the same implosions. Still, it always seems to be the rich that thumb their nose at the poor: When PPT is simply a matter of which server can field the most people, all that is left is the fights. To suggest otherwise is, at best, mild naivete or, at worst, blatant, dumb, ignorance of how this game actually works. Mostly, though, I’d politely recommend not to confuse inability to win the so-called ‘PPT war’ with lack of pride.

Buffy.9246:

BLANE.8346:

Updated.

Le Rooster.8715:

Something like this btw never heard of SHDW

Envy/Fang/EK/EPiC/ZoD/REND/EP/GH/CNB/DiE/Rx/TS/BEAR/ETA/CB/Dx/CCTV
Early NA/EU————————Central NA——————Oceanic———-SEA

Good idea, in order to make room for this it will require rsome guilds from the list. Maybe the least active ones.

Buffy.9246:

Put (none) for ehmry bay. SoS bought all their wvw guilds.

thats horrible, what happened? o.o

It was like 10 ish weeks, more or less, of dragonbrand vs borlis pass vs ehmry bay.
With db being super sea heavy and Bp/eBay having no night crew. ZoD/GH/DIE just gave up and let themselves be bought.

DIE always intended to leave Ehmry Bay after a few weeks. Hell, we actually stayed longer than we had initially intended. But as someone who was in DIE while we were in Ehmry Bay, I think most of us enjoyed the community and had fun while we were there. There just came a time to finally move on, but we never hid that fact from the get-go.

Mechanics are silly, even before they get abused.

No offense, but that sounds like something you were told by somebody that heard it from somebody that heard it from somebody else that heard it from the lady that was married to one of the developer’s second-cousin’s dog’s groomer. And even if it is true, I reject the whole notion. So we should all just hang out around the boss NPCs on Nifhel because fighting on the points is boring? Okay.

We should just have a PvP mode that is fighting NPCs if the actual PvP part is a snoozefest. Oh, right, that already exists: It’s called PvE. I only want to fight in PvP. The extraneous stuff has it’s moments, but I know there are a lot of us that wouldn’t miss it if it were all taken out. And no strategy or coordination outside of target focusing? That’s ridiculous. There’s rotations, playing for two or three nodes, team comps, and plenty of other nuances to a good fight above and beyond simply pressing the T key.

Why does every PvP map have to have some sort of gimmick? Why can’t there be at least one map in the rotation that is just people hitting other people with digital weapons until they die? No trebs, no orbs, no gigantic lasers, or NPC bosses. Think about it.

It is interesting that it seems the majority of people who ‘Feel sorry for SoR’ are people who aren’t on SoR. And I certainly don’t recall SoR looking for pity. So we might see a scenario down to road where a few servers take turns being rolled by JQ/BG every week. That sure beats being rolled by them every week, right? I don’t get what all the complaining is about.

Reslinal.2359:

geekanerd.4123:

Reslinal.2359:

geekanerd.4123:

Reslinal.2359:

Hammerguard.9834:

I feel horrible about the players that are left on SoR just wondering what the hell happened. Wish BG would stop buying so many guilds and even lose some to SoR. Maybe we could have some fun, even matchups again ’cause this sh*ts getting old.

No offense, but you really need to learn to gather facts before you make statements. If you are on SoR, you need to go talk to your guilds on your server/join TS to learn about what’s happening to your server. Apparently all your “for fights” guilds decide they get more fun stomping pugs in EoTM than fighting wvw for their server. So they are essentially stop playing WvW for now. This has nothing to do with BG or JQ (BG hasn’t got any guilds since season 1 and JQ got couple guilds from SoR), but rather your server’s unhealthy “fights only, laugh at others who care about objectives” culture.

Is it unhealthy because you and a handful of other forum warriors from BG say it’s unhealthy? I’m curious about the research that has gone into this perspective.

I think it is unhealthy because what you are doing is hurting your community in the long run. It maybe o.k. for those of your guilds that only care about fights, but by deriding others that want to play differently, you’re are completely neglecting your server mates that may want to experience proper WvW/or simply just new to WvW.

What a lot of you are doing is all about you rather than community pride, which is really against the spirit of the RvR game mode. Heck you even begin to see posts like this popping up from your own server mates that are left in the dark.

I think any derision towards people on SoR who want to play for PPT has been largely exaggerated. In any case, I know that many of us on SoR just avoid the the PPT game against JQ and BG because, well, it’s pointless (pun intended). And at the end of the day, the people who want to fight for PPT can find homes to do that. The people who want fights? Well, there’s places for them, too. The idea that one way to play the game is ‘unhealthy’ as compared to another is naive. BG and JQ can do their thing. We’ll do ours.

I don’t think “play for fights” as a way of play is unhealthy, there are many guilds on various servers do that (and yes even on BG and JQ, you know one of the best “for fights” guild, APeX, is on BG), and all good for them if that’s how they get their enjoyment.

What is unhealthy is you force your way of play as the “superior way” on your server mates, either through deriding/arguing or by creating an environment where others that want to try to play proper WvW are not feel welcomed. The derision towards people on SoR who want to play for PPT may be exaggerated a bit, yet SoR is the only server that we know where server drama caused by the “for fights only” debate has made to the public forum.

I don’t know much about that, since I usually do a better job than I am tonight of staying away from the forums, but I don’t doubt that it happened. Still, as an active member of the SoR WvW community, I can’t remember the last time I saw someone derided for wanting to hold points. The lack of desire shouldn’t be confused with the lack of sustaining against JQ and BG mobs.

Adula.3698:

Vespirisa.1497:

Xenesis.6389:

What guild moved to SoS? I only know a few moved to FA and JQ.

As for what happened to SoR? For the Fights! is what happened, if they’re not even playing in wvw most are likely in eotm, talk about server pride, the ones left are just waiting for the server to drop tiers.

DIE I believe is in SoS.

DIE Moved to FA, but about half of them decided to break apart and come back as [EVO]

DIE moved to Ehmry Bay a few months back. Around half of DIE went back to SoR as EVO. The other half went to SoS as DIE.

Reslinal.2359:

geekanerd.4123:

Reslinal.2359:

Hammerguard.9834:

I feel horrible about the players that are left on SoR just wondering what the hell happened. Wish BG would stop buying so many guilds and even lose some to SoR. Maybe we could have some fun, even matchups again ’cause this sh*ts getting old.

No offense, but you really need to learn to gather facts before you make statements. If you are on SoR, you need to go talk to your guilds on your server/join TS to learn about what’s happening to your server. Apparently all your “for fights” guilds decide they get more fun stomping pugs in EoTM than fighting wvw for their server. So they are essentially stop playing WvW for now. This has nothing to do with BG or JQ (BG hasn’t got any guilds since season 1 and JQ got couple guilds from SoR), but rather your server’s unhealthy “fights only, laugh at others who care about objectives” culture.

Is it unhealthy because you and a handful of other forum warriors from BG say it’s unhealthy? I’m curious about the research that has gone into this perspective.

I think it is unhealthy because what you are doing is hurting your community in the long run. It maybe o.k. for those of your guilds that only care about fights, but by deriding others that want to play differently, you’re are completely neglecting your server mates that may want to experience proper WvW/or simply just new to WvW.

What a lot of you are doing is all about you rather than community pride, which is really against the spirit of the RvR game mode. Heck you even begin to see posts like this popping up from your own server mates that are left in the dark.

I think any derision towards people on SoR who want to play for PPT has been largely exaggerated. In any case, I know that many of us on SoR just avoid the the PPT game against JQ and BG because, well, it’s pointless (pun intended). And at the end of the day, the people who want to fight for PPT can find homes to do that. The people who want fights? Well, there’s places for them, too. The idea that one way to play the game is ‘unhealthy’ as compared to another is naive. BG and JQ can do their thing. We’ll do ours.

Reslinal.2359:

Hammerguard.9834:

I feel horrible about the players that are left on SoR just wondering what the hell happened. Wish BG would stop buying so many guilds and even lose some to SoR. Maybe we could have some fun, even matchups again ’cause this sh*ts getting old.

No offense, but you really need to learn to gather facts before you make statements. If you are on SoR, you need to go talk to your guilds on your server/join TS to learn about what’s happening to your server. Apparently all your “for fights” guilds decide they get more fun stomping pugs in EoTM than fighting wvw for their server. So they are essentially stop playing WvW for now. This has nothing to do with BG or JQ (BG hasn’t got any guilds since season 1 and JQ got couple guilds from SoR), but rather your server’s unhealthy “fights only, laugh at others who care about objectives” culture.

Is it unhealthy because you and a handful of other forum warriors from BG say it’s unhealthy? I’m curious about the research that has gone into this perspective.

Deli.1302:

Grotesque.6480:

Why the hell would you go pure EoTM? Might aswell go PvE straight away then lmfao.

SoR is a karma train server. Why would they want to attack something with defenders?

Why are you guys kittening about it? JQ and BG will finally get the 1v1 WvW experience they seem to crave, and we can go have fun elsewhere. There seems to be an awful lot of sand in the kittens of the two servers who really have nothing to complain about.

dwahvel.7356:

nirvana.8245:

In BGs defence I do feel that they were the underdogs going into Season 1. Especially considering they had not just been beaten, but wrecked leading up to the season by both JQ and SOR. Now, however, things have changed. The server itself is just extremely stacked. I am glad I am no longer there. In the long run it will be a burden on the server itself.

This week I have built around 80 paper trebs in obscure positions and been trebbing their keeps/towers. Most of those times BG has been able to pull an entire zerg off what they are doing, often from another side of the map, to deal with my single effort. They never react by sending one person. In the few times where it hasn’t been a full zerg its 5+ players. The server is so stacked now and the attitude and conduct of many of the players is not what it used to be. There is a large following of players who are just there for the easy win.

I see a really bad scenario coming for T1 in NA in the near future. SORs collapse means a two horse race and because BG is so stacked JQ will slowly lose its morale. Alot of BG players and guilds are already complaining about a lack of fights. And quite frankly its because its getting old that other players have to constantly fight them in outnumbered scenarios. The wise thing to do would be for BG to self destack. But I honestly think for both positive (friends on the server) and negative (easy wins/fights) reasons it won’t happen and BGs guilds will have no choice but to destack unless they want to login and have nothing to do in WvW. But hey, at least we got EoTM now!

T1 is already a 2 server matchup. JQ has been attempting to poach sor players/guilds for a couple weeks now. They have been pretty successful from what I hear. I can see t1 being a 2 server match for MONTHS to come. Doesn’t look like any t2-t3 server wants to join.

I really can’t believe anyone from SoR would wanna join another t1 server. You couldn’t pay me enough to do that.

Anyways if EoTM turns out to be a solid map expect SoR’s ppt to plummet. Not that we’ve ever really cared about ppt for the past year, but the borderlands should be ghost towns.

The jumping from SoR to JQ confuses me, as well. And I’m not some server zealot that’s against moving, period. It’s nice to get a change of scenery now and again. But why further unbalance an already unbalanced tier? I don’t get it. Oh well. I guess it doesn’t matter too much. JQ and BG can hammer at one another for the PPT. Much of SoR has already ghosted the main maps for EotM today. Better fights.

Yo, Anet. I’m going to gracefully skim past the fact that it’s annoying to have to type in the exact name of the finisher in order to delete it. I’ve learned to accept this and move on. However, now I have a hot pair of Limited-Use Megalaser Finishers that I can’t delete out of my inventory. I’ve tried the exact spelling, I’ve tried all lower-case, I’ve tried alternating cases, I’ve tried dropping ‘Vigil’ ‘Megalaser’ and ‘Limited-Use’ and that lil’ ol’ Yes button just refuses to light up so I can click it. The other finishers delete normally. So… yeah. Help a guy out, would ya? Thanks.

PS

I’d include a screen shot just to prove that I’m not a total idiot and can spell correctly, but the game doesn’t allow screenies while confirming the delete. Go figure. <3

Wintel.4873:

Shockwave.1230:

I don’t see the problem with the map. A skilled player is aware of that possibility and minimizes that happening. It’s no different than a skilled player messing up timing or a rotation and losing.

It sounds to me like people who think they should be 1337, are mad that they have to think about edge positioning, and are losing because they are doing it poorly.

Skilled player? Edge positioning? HAHAHAHA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYI4KovfmaU

Anyone who defends Skyhammer is either:
1) Trolling
2) Plays a class/build that has tons of knockback, pull, fear and/or stability
3) Eats crayons for breakfast

I eat crayons for breakfast and I still can’t defend this map. So I find that comment just a little bit racist. Against Crayon Eaters.

Yeah, it’s pretty bad out there right now. I’ve done about… oh, a dozen matches since reset. I’ve had four 4v5, one where the guy akitten for half the match and then left, two or three matches with level 1-10s, and then a win or two and maybe one match that was a loss but it was a solid game.

Whatever. It is what it is. I’m trying not to let it get under my skin, but, Sweet Jesus, it’s hard. I’m starting to see why people snap in team chat with every passing round.

Improve sPvP? Well, I’m just going to reiterate the two things that have already been mentioned but I feel are the most important at this juncture:

A. Nobody in tQue or sQue below a certain level. Some have suggested 20. I’d be willing to say that somewhere between 10-15 most people have a general grasp of how the sPvP is played. Or do a baby tournament mode for people between levels 1-10. But I’m pretty tired of some level 1 to 5 coming into the solo que and kitten ing an otherwise good team. And, no, I’m not down on beginners. We all have to start somewhere. But right into the fire where it can kitten up other people’s experience isn’t the place.

B. 4v5. Games should never, ever start until everybody clicks the ready button. Period. End of story. If one person doesn’t click it by the time the timer counts down, they are booted and somebody else has to be queued in. I realize this doesn’t solve for people who drop mid-match or afkers, but it would be a kitten good start.

How is this even debatable? Of course it needs to go away.

junglizm.5843:

Nice Screen caps. Did you happen to get any of us chasing you back into the spawn from South Camp before that all happened? And Bags? Seriously? Your wet noodle hammers and PVT train couldn’t down the Moa NPC outside of spawn.

20+ Guild group and you couldn’t even break a gate camp? 3 Exits? Maybe try a flank? Pretty sure I sat with 25 stacks and full Guard buffs that entire episode diving in and out of your pathetic hammer train then logging out in utter disdain for your willingness to actually come out and fight.

BURN had scouts on both exits just begging for you guys to do something intelligent and not get farmed at your own spawn but apparently you love giving bags to the zerg….

Next time, try a side door, we will be waiting. No need to rally up your whole guild for the 8 of us ruining your camp capture. The rest of that was just epic troll opportunity.

Our guys have video of FA blobbing an 8-man DIE havoc team. So, if that’s what you mean by ‘chasing you back to spawn from south camp’, yeah, we got that. Very impressive. Everyone who was involved in that should be patting themselves on the back.

Also, for the record, my hammer isn’t a ‘wet noodle.’ It’s more of a soggy washcloth. It absorbed so many FA tears tonight, it just sorta happened. So it goes.

Super excited to see how soon this thread gets shut down. Vegas odds says next 30 minutes.

To those who are about to DIE, DIE, um, salutes you. Yeah, I’m not proud of that one. See y’all out in the field.

Kiff.8157:

geekanerd.4123:

To be fair, the queues on SoR have cleared up considerably as of late. But there was a point there — and I’m sure all the T1 servers experienced this — where even on a Monday or Tuesday night you’d be in queue 3 hours before you could get on a map.

You did? If you meant any map. Sorry I did not experience that. It was only EB that queued for hours.

We did. We ran late-NA and for that first two weeks of league, we could only get a handful of our guild into any given BL. Routinely. It only went away when BG started laying down the hammer and the fairweathers finally flitted off back to whatever is that they do do.

Gilgamesh.7364:

geekanerd.4123:

JaredKincade.9761:

geekanerd.4123:

Most of DIE is in Ehmry Bay for a few weeks. I know BG would like to think they made us leave. By all means, please do, if it makes y’all feel better. However, the reality is we’re going to spend a little time running as a full guild without fighting queues to get into BLs. And it’s only temporary. We’ll annoy SoR again soon enough, I’m afraid.

I thought SOR didn’t have queues?

And do you mean running as a full guild to be without anyone who isn’t in your guild? Without pugs?

To be fair, the queues on SoR have cleared up considerably as of late. But there was a point there — and I’m sure all the T1 servers experienced this — where even on a Monday or Tuesday night you’d be in queue 3 hours before you could get on a map. Lot of us got a little jaded on the whole thing. It’s tough to have fun as a guild when you can’t run as one.

Anyhow, the decision was made a few weeks ago to get a little fresh air in silver league. Try to get away from the blobs, the politics, the trolling, long-kitten queues, the general silliness that permeates the top league. Once the queues cleared up it got a lot better, but we still felt it wouldn’t be a bad thing to take a little vacation. We still love SoR and have a lot of friends there. There was no fighting, no drama, no anger, at least as much as I’m aware of. The SoR community is kittening kittens. They’re the best. And we plan to come back.

PS

DIE has always been a pug-friendly guild. It wasn’t that at all. And we’ll continue to run with pugs in Ehmry. Well, the ones that can tolerate our somewhat-chaotic TS chatter and stupid map chat.

Did you challenge all of Blackgate before or after you decided to leave?

Well, I don’t like to brag, but in order to maintain my self-proclaimed status as #1MesmerNA, I went into every map and personally busted every BG blob solo. So I guess the answer is yes. That said, personally, I don’t give two squirts of kitten about the chest thumping and posturing. Whether it’s from BG or us. It’s not my thing. So I guess if you’re trying to get a snarky response, my friend, you’re barking up the wrong tree. Best of luck to all of T1 as they continue through this first season.

JaredKincade.9761:

geekanerd.4123:

Most of DIE is in Ehmry Bay for a few weeks. I know BG would like to think they made us leave. By all means, please do, if it makes y’all feel better. However, the reality is we’re going to spend a little time running as a full guild without fighting queues to get into BLs. And it’s only temporary. We’ll annoy SoR again soon enough, I’m afraid.

I thought SOR didn’t have queues?

And do you mean running as a full guild to be without anyone who isn’t in your guild? Without pugs?

To be fair, the queues on SoR have cleared up considerably as of late. But there was a point there — and I’m sure all the T1 servers experienced this — where even on a Monday or Tuesday night you’d be in queue 3 hours before you could get on a map. Lot of us got a little jaded on the whole thing. It’s tough to have fun as a guild when you can’t run as one.

Anyhow, the decision was made a few weeks ago to get a little fresh air in silver league. Try to get away from the blobs, the politics, the trolling, long-kitten queues, the general silliness that permeates the top league. Once the queues cleared up it got a lot better, but we still felt it wouldn’t be a bad thing to take a little vacation. We still love SoR and have a lot of friends there. There was no fighting, no drama, no anger, at least as much as I’m aware of. The SoR community is kittening kittens. They’re the best. And we plan to come back.

PS

DIE has always been a pug-friendly guild. It wasn’t that at all. And we’ll continue to run with pugs in Ehmry. Well, the ones that can tolerate our somewhat-chaotic TS chatter and stupid map chat.

Most of DIE is in Ehmry Bay for a few weeks. I know BG would like to think they made us leave. By all means, please do, if it makes y’all feel better. However, the reality is we’re going to spend a little time running as a full guild without fighting queues to get into BLs. And it’s only temporary. We’ll annoy SoR again soon enough, I’m afraid.

Vash.9183:

geekanerd.4123:

Nyx Xox.3540:

LOL who what guild? Tell us please. Quit your kittening. You guys came to many guilds on SOS last week asking if we wanted to team up with you against BG. Get over yourself. As I’ve said the MAIN sos guilds have no deals and intend not to make one.

I have a few screen shots. I’ll PM them to you. But I don’t really feel that this is a conversation that needs to go much further. SoS is confused whether they’re double-teaming or not, SoR are a bunch of whipped dogs, and BG are conquering kittens. I think we’ve established the current modus operandi.

I see. I think this is a 3-way match and SoS can hit whoever they want to.

Really? SoS can hit whoever they want? Seriously? You don’t say. I guess this wand that I bought from an SBI toon that was supposed to make SoS do whatever I say doesn’t work. Shucks.

If that was a little too dry, lets try this: No kitten, dude.

Nyx Xox.3540:

LOL who what guild? Tell us please. Quit your kittening. You guys came to many guilds on SOS last week asking if we wanted to team up with you against BG. Get over yourself. As I’ve said the MAIN sos guilds have no deals and intend not to make one.

I have a few screen shots. I’ll PM them to you. But I don’t really feel that this is a conversation that needs to go much further. SoS is confused whether they’re double-teaming or not, SoR are a bunch of whipped dogs, and BG are conquering kittens. I think we’ve established the current modus operandi.

Nyx Xox.3540:

albotelho.2931:

What a nice team work BG and SoS are doing right now! You look like a true couple, SoS from north and BG from south at our EB keep… are you guys on the same TS? Because it is so organized now… like twin souls.

This coming from the server whose guilds contacted many of us last week asking to team up with them against BG. I’ll tell you this right now the main SOS guilds are not teaming up with anyone. That 2v1 crap is garbage. Get over it.

Yeah, because SoS isn’t body-blocking for BG at the EB keep as we speak. Nope. Not at all.

Oh wait.

SleepingDragon.1596:

Reverence.6915:

Donating gold for transfers to help get guilds across doesn’t equate to buying them.

According to your own accusations of SOR and JQ, it is. Whenever a guild goes to SOR or JQ, it’s considered buying. Whenever a guild that gets gold from the “BG war chest” it is a donation to help get them across? LOL. Good one.

I doubt SoR has any more internal drama than any other server. As it is, you’re pointing the finger the wrong way. If anything, BG broke this match-up by stacking guilds. That would be a handful enough, but toss in SoS riding your coattails, and it’s rough out there. Not that I blame SoS, really: They have a tasty carrot of second place danging in front of them. Yummy. So what if it costs a little integrity, right?

Don’t be concerned for SoR. You’ll still find us out there, looking for fights, when the various guilds hit their prime-times. But I think many of us have way, way better things to do than try to compete in some inane PPT game against BG blobs. At least I know I do. Anyway, enjoy the victory you’ve bought or earned or whatever y’all want to call it. You’re all loot bags to me in the end. Yeehaw.

infantrydiv.1620:

Although the leaderboard is pretty bad, I’d suggest reexamining your gameplay rather than blaming the fact that you have a bad rating entirely on the leaderboard system.

My initial post is a wall of text. I apologize for that, I’ve reread it and it’s tough to get through. But in there I stated that I don’t really pay too much stock in the leaderboards. I’m way, way, way more interested in quality matches. I feel the discussion has somehow implied that I think the leaderboards are my impetus for playing PvP. Not at all. Whether the boards existed or not, 4v5s and unfairly stacked teams resulting in losses sucks.

On that note, I believe my gameplay is generally fine. I’m sure there are people who would agree and disagree on that, but I hold my own in a good match-up and, more often than not, even in a bad one. Anyhow, thanks for the replies. It’s interesting to see what the vibe is out there.

I’m sure similar threads have been started and discussions brought up on this topic, but I went four or five pages back and didn’t see anything specifically addressing what I want to talk about, so I’m just starting fresh. No doubt, it’ll be lost in the mire of dated threads soon enough, but hopefully not before I glean a little feedback from the community.

I play a lot of solo queue. A lot. I generally bring in my engineer, Earbert Einstein. No doubt, I’ve played with and against many of you who might read this post. I consider myself a decent team player. I don’t fight off-point. I cap, I rotate, I bunk home, blah blah blah. I believe that the win trumps personal glory gain and stomps. If I’m sitting on home and am at the bottom of the score list but the team gets the W, I couldn’t be happier. I did my job.

I think — hope — that I’m a better player than the leader boards would describe. Twenty-Eighth percentile with 215 wins and 255 losses. I try not to pay much attention to that because the massive amount of variables that go into a match in the SoloQ are largely out of my hands. Not to say that there aren’t a good handful of losses — and to my credit, wins — in there that hinged directly on my play. I’ve kittened up a lot, especially early in the learning curve.

More to the point of this thing, and quickly now before anybody who has made it this far falls asleep, I’m curious to know what other people’s experience in the SoloQ arena are like. I guess I’m looking for responses somewhat beyond the 4v5 that we all know are a problem and AFKers. Those are issues that have already a lot of traction all over this forum. More specifically, what do people encounter in a 5v5? I’ll share my thoughts, and maybe some of you will share yours.

I find that matches that go the distance between two well-balanced teams are few and far between. Blowouts aren’t common, either, but I find the typical match has one team or the other ticking at about the 200-250 range by the time the other team crosses 500. I find that I can go on a long string of losses way more frequently than I can catch a string of wins. In that respect, I think the most wins I’ve chained together have been in the 5-6 range, while I’ve easily been on a losing streak that must have been near 20 straight Ls. And on long nights where I do a lot of SoloQ, it’s not uncommon to roll 5 or 6 losses between every win. At times, I start to wonder if it’s the player and not the team, but then I look at the map and see two people on my team capping and the rest chasing one enemy off point and I realize, nah, I think I’m not the problem here.

A lot of games are quiet. I assume people know what they’re supposed to do, and I’m not one inclined to dictate jobs, though I generally mention if I’m going to bunk home or mid. And I’m always happy to join a good plan if somebody speaks up. I notice that a lot of people in team chat that say their team is kittenty are actually the part of the team that is kittenty. Even on a team that’s terrible I don’t trash them. There’s no point and I’d like to think that I’m older than 12. If the other team talks kitten, I just block them. Life’s way too short to be griefed by kittens in SoloQ. I have a very impressive block list, actually.

It can be very frustrating game mode, but when you land one of those games where you come from behind to steal a win or just barely eek out a 500 to 498 victory, those are what I chase. I wish there was more of them. I wish the balance system worked better. Too often I’ve seen teams of 40s and 50s vs a team with a few 10s, a 20, and maybe a 30. Very peculiar. Anyway, as the old saying goes, wish in one hand and kitten in the other and see what fills up first.

Anyhow, I realize this was way too long, but if anybody just wants to toss up their general experience in solo matchups, I’d like to read them. Thanks and good luck out there.

PS

If any teams are looking for a solid engineer or necro player, pm me! <—- Shameless self promotion.

I gotta agree with this. When I saw the JP achievements lumped into the WvW Seasons panel, I was a little confused. Nobody I know in my guild, or in any of the many guilds I associate with in WvW, actually does the BL or EB jumping puzzles. I mean, even if they were fun, it would still be time away from what is actually important: Collecting loot bags or becoming one.

Wick.1280:

SoR needs arrow cart hacks…whatever else…and in a fight they run…odd thing

I like your ellipses. They add a certain level of gravitas to a statement that is otherwise inane and dimwitted. Respect knuckles.

Good job on pulling out the win, FC. Very impressive.

@ptitminou.6489

You responded to my last post a few pages back, and I gotta say, I have no idea what in the Sam hell you’re talking about. I’m sure it’s very thoughtful, but somewhere between installing anti-FC tactics and pulling ahead because of JQ and BG I got completely lost. No, no, it’s okay. I don’t really want to know.

ptitminou.6489:

geekanerd.4123:

It’s getting heated in here. I like it.

beyonder.9735:

lol FC is a joke stop putting gas in their heads.. using SOR tactics and still i dnt see what the big fuss is about.. on a lighter note it was fun wiping like 30-40 [WZ] while they hid behind balistas and we had half their #’s.
#[StaR]

Just out of curiosity, what do you perceive as ‘SoR tactics’? I’d be interested in understanding what, exactly, filters through the tiers. Thanks.

SoR tactics = 80 man blob running around

Huh. A cute answer, if not completely accurate. The pure truth of the matter is that the big three all blob. And as good as any particular guild might think they are, 15-20 people are not going to beat a, for example, NS/PLX sea of red. At least out in the open field. With some good siege placement you might — /might/ — get them in a choke or tower with far less numbers, but these aren’t blobs full of puggers. They coordinate, they buff, they desiege, and if you don’t get help, you’re probably going to lose.

Anyhow, I don’t want to pull this match-up thread into a discussion of what happens in T1, but sufficed to say it’s more often than not just a bunch of faces hitting doors. I see that SF has pulled ahead some, but this is still a great match. Good luck to all three servers (even if I’m still hoping Ferguson’s Crossing can pull a ninja win out).

It’s getting heated in here. I like it.

beyonder.9735:

lol FC is a joke stop putting gas in their heads.. using SOR tactics and still i dnt see what the big fuss is about.. on a lighter note it was fun wiping like 30-40 [WZ] while they hid behind balistas and we had half their #’s.
#[StaR]

Just out of curiosity, what do you perceive as ‘SoR tactics’? I’d be interested in understanding what, exactly, filters through the tiers. Thanks.

Meanwhile, aside for the silly quibbling: Holee kitten farts. This is one helluva match-up. There’s about a cunny-hair’s worth of separation between the lot of ya. I’m going to continue watching this one. Good stuff in tier 6 and 5 right now. I’m waiting to see if somebody can finally break it open or if it’s going to be a goatstroke all the way up until Friday afternoon.

Go Ferg!

Holy kitten, Ferg. Somebody start playing The Jeffersons theme song, because you all are moving on up. Good to see it. I’m not a big believer in the relative futility that is PPT, but kitten , if you take this match-up that’s cool sauce. Rooting for y’all.

I got this Legendary relatively recently and I find it completely and utterly underwhelming. The notes are kinda neat, but they need to be implemented into a footfall and visible even when the weapon is holstered. I know ANet recently buffed the size of the notes, but they are still so easily lost when running with a group of people in WvW. Incinerator, the greatswords, juggernaut, are all far more visible and cool. I dunno. It’s a good start, but they definitely need to tweak this skin a lot before I think people should spend too much time dumping materials into it. Just my opinion.

I don’t care what the matchmaking is based off of. 4v5 should not happen. It should either be fixed or the players given the option to freely leave the match and it not ding their rep.

I don’t mind getting my kitten kicked by a better team. But the 4v5 thing is just insulting. The fact that it is allowed to continue is pretty boggling.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Lol, it has been irritating on our end. When we were winning our first days on reset here, we were told that you were both going after us because we had the most points, when we dropped down to second, it was because DH recaps stuff faster, when we dropped down to last it’s because there is less resistance.

It’s okay, you can admit you hate us, we’re used to it from t8/t7 by now. You’ve successfully demoralized our fairweathers, so we only really have core WvW’ers around anymore (which has given a lot of us an interesting perspective, especially on countering zergs).

It also makes defeating IoJ and DH in battles that much sweeter.

Normally I’d avoid commenting in a thread that has really nothing to do with the server I play on, but I felt obligated to make a quick point:

As a former T8 player in FC — one who fought against SF from the reset they dropped down to T8 to the reset they went back up to T7 — I just want to say that many of us didn’t hate SF. It was frustrating, yes, and at times the relationship strained, but I think a good portion of Ferg well-realized that it wasn’t SFs fault they were stuck in that tier for so long. We had lemons so we made lemonade. Just go back and peruse through some of the match-up threads if you don’t remember. They’re by and large friendly and filled with a mutual disgust at the rating system, not any particular server.