Guild Wars 2

Noah.9654:

ghaleon.2861:

Noah.9654:

ghaleon.2861:

Narkodx.1472:

This thread is not even about that though.. he is simply QQing because he plays zerker mesmer and gets rekt by zerker thieves

This is not about Thieves having a role in conquest that no one can replace them for being mobility and decap – things you pointed out that I agree with

While that would have made a much better thread this guy is simply QQing for 1v1 reasons – none of which are warranted

/thread

I’m not qqing, at all….. the thread was about theif countering zerkers, but you all decided to take it to a different direction. And I don’t get rekt by anyone, even though thief does hard counter my class hard. I’ve learned how to deal with them a long time ago. Idk why you all think this is a qq post, it’s not. If you all want to deny to yourselves that thief does in fact hard counters other zerkers specs go ahead. But don’t come here talking bullkitten like know me and know how I play, cause you don’t. This is why I like to stay away from the forums, only trolls……… that don’t know wth they’re talking about can’t have a discussion about what’s being discussed like man.

We’re saying that this is a QQ thread because that is exactly what it is, whether you intended it to be or not.

Someone has said it best; Thieves are able to fill a unique role that negatively effects zerker builds the most, but the only thing that Thieves hard counter now are newer people who don’t understand how thieves work.

Nobody is denying that Thieves are strong, but we know how to beat them. To say that they ‘hard counter’ all zerker sets is just incorrect and to continue to complain about it does more of a disservice to you than it does to us.

I know how to beat them too thx… lol But they do hard counter the other zerkers specs. Please get off that denial train… And people can’t say w/e they want… IDGAF

I run a zerker spec, and since the Sept 9th I’ve beaten Thieves consistently. I’ve learned how to beat them—ergo I am not hard countered. If you’re able to beat them, you’re not being hard countered.

At this point, you’re kinda just trolling for attention /:

If you’re able to beat them, on a zerker spec other than medi guard… You’re out playing them… And I don’t need attention from a forums full of clueless trolls that are in denial. So, at this point, you’re just being annoying…. /thread

Noah.9654:

ghaleon.2861:

Narkodx.1472:

This thread is not even about that though.. he is simply QQing because he plays zerker mesmer and gets rekt by zerker thieves

This is not about Thieves having a role in conquest that no one can replace them for being mobility and decap – things you pointed out that I agree with

While that would have made a much better thread this guy is simply QQing for 1v1 reasons – none of which are warranted

/thread

I’m not qqing, at all….. the thread was about theif countering zerkers, but you all decided to take it to a different direction. And I don’t get rekt by anyone, even though thief does hard counter my class hard. I’ve learned how to deal with them a long time ago. Idk why you all think this is a qq post, it’s not. If you all want to deny to yourselves that thief does in fact hard counters other zerkers specs go ahead. But don’t come here talking bullkitten like know me and know how I play, cause you don’t. This is why I like to stay away from the forums, only trolls……… that don’t know wth they’re talking about can’t have a discussion about what’s being discussed like man.

We’re saying that this is a QQ thread because that is exactly what it is, whether you intended it to be or not.

Someone has said it best; Thieves are able to fill a unique role that negatively effects zerker builds the most, but the only thing that Thieves hard counter now are newer people who don’t understand how thieves work.

Nobody is denying that Thieves are strong, but we know how to beat them. To say that they ‘hard counter’ all zerker sets is just incorrect and to continue to complain about it does more of a disservice to you than it does to us.

I know how to beat them too thx… lol But they do hard counter the other zerkers specs. Please get off that denial train… And people can’t say w/e they want… IDGAF

Narkodx.1472:

There is really nothing to see here folks – This guys has so many games played I see him all the time in Solo q – Something like 6k+ games (when are you gunagetgud?)

The only thing consistent is his rage after every game – hilarious

I’m not good, I am great

Oniyui.8279:

ghaleon.2861:

Then enjoy the boring bunker celestial cheese comp /thread

Cheese comp… lol. Cheese implies using a minimal effort pattern repeatedly to defeat opponents regularly identified as vulnerable to that pattern, and depending on that pattern. Celestial bunker… is like the opposite of cheese. Zerker rotation-oriented builds… now there’s where to look for cheese.

Lol , nice joke thx for the laugh.

Narkodx.1472:

This thread is not even about that though.. he is simply QQing because he plays zerker mesmer and gets rekt by zerker thieves

This is not about Thieves having a role in conquest that no one can replace them for being mobility and decap – things you pointed out that I agree with

While that would have made a much better thread this guy is simply QQing for 1v1 reasons – none of which are warranted

/thread

I’m not qqing, at all….. the thread was about theif countering zerkers, but you all decided to take it to a different direction. And I don’t get rekt by anyone, even though thief does hard counter my class hard. I’ve learned how to deal with them a long time ago. Idk why you all think this is a qq post, it’s not. If you all want to deny to yourselves that thief does in fact hard counters other zerkers specs go ahead. But don’t come here talking bullkitten like know me and know how I play, cause you don’t. This is why I like to stay away from the forums, only trolls……… that don’t know wth they’re talking about and can’t have a discussion about what’s being discussed like man. /thread

CobOfCorn.6352:

This thread is a joke right? In PvP, all thieves CAN run is zerk, and it’s in the worst place it’s been in a long time. If you are getting rolled by a thief in this meta, it’s because the thief is playing better than you, not because the thief hard counters you.

LOL

Calypso.2578:

shimmerless.4560:

And Ghaleon you need to work out your stress issues, yell into a pillow or something

This does help.

http://www.wikihow.com/Get-Rid-of-Anger

Anger is medicine anger is life !

Narkodx.1472:

There is really nothing to see here folks – This guys has so many games played I see him all the time in Solo q – Something like 6k+ games (when are you gunagetgud?)

The only thing consistent is his rage after every game – hilarious

I am good, but thanks for the hate <3

Cynz.9437:

Zaxares.5419:

Cynz.9437:

sitting in skyhammer right now 3v5
one guy decided to not even bother so it is actually 2v5

When it gets like that, that’s when I feel that Autobalance Wars are justified.

too bad it is not hotjoin but actual ranked~

ghaleon.2861:

Cynz.9437:

sitting in skyhammer right now 3v5
one guy decided to not even bother so it is actually 2v5

is this supposed to be fun and competitive enviroment?

i honestly feel like being trolled by the game at this point: let me put you together with most trolls/afkers in game so you garanteed to lose every match

7 matches!!!!!! someone either trolls, quits or is afk… why is this a thing?

lol

you were there!

yup

Cynz.9437:

sitting in skyhammer right now 3v5
one guy decided to not even bother so it is actually 2v5

is this supposed to be fun and competitive enviroment?

i honestly feel like being trolled by the game at this point: let me put you together with most trolls/afkers in game so you garanteed to lose every match

7 matches!!!!!! someone either trolls, quits or is afk… why is this a thing?

lol

we were on the same game bro we almost won, but yeah 4v5

Cam Ron.4170:

ghaleon.2861:

Cam Ron.4170:

ghaleon.2861:

Cam Ron.4170:

Cynz.9437:

ghaleon.2861:

Kolly.9872:

ghaleon.2861:

But back on topic, The only zerker spec that shuts down a thief is “Medi Guard”.

Then NERF “Meditation Guardian” cos thief has no chance against that build. As you said every zerker spec should have a chance to equally fight vs other zerker specs right?

but ppl don’t use dps guard in tpvp , a serious team doesn’t…

but but but srs teams run only celestial bunker now not thieves

bingo… and we all know how thieves (anybody really) fair against celestial bunkers

Only NA nabs run bunker comps, EU is all about that roamer burst comp.

only nabs cry about thieves, probably the weakest class in all of spvp right now.

lol weakest class nice joke, I kill ppl on thief while eating a sandwich. And we both know who the nab between us is “YOU” before calling other ppl nabs, look at yourself in the mirror first. Lol turret engi player

I only play thief and necromancer. I was thief named Cam Ron on in temple of silent storm trying to teach you how to 1v1 that thief you kept losing to before coming here to post this thread. At first you were crying in map chat “omg can i plz get a 1v1” after the enemy team took advantage of your careless positioning. Then, when the thief 1v1’d you about 3 times in a row, you just talked map chat about how broken thief is., sealing the loss for us. Just annoying when my teammate’s ego gets hurt and they fail to take the rest of the game seriously

Ill get on my zerker necro, get on your Zerk thief and show me how thief shuts down ALL zerker specs besides guardian. Power necro kittens on thief to broski. After I smash you with 80%+ hp remaining, you need to go back and edit every post to say “except guardian AND power necro”

you seriously fell off since your hambow got nerfed lol.

Also, who told you thief shuts down Fresh Air ele? Fresh air ele atm is stronger than any thief spec. Haven’t played much ele and im terrible at it, but it’ll probably rock your thief as well

I’m pretty sure everytime I faced you I smashed you into little pieces and everytime I went down is because I’m fighting somebody and all the sudden somebody else joins the fight. And yes you were playing kittenter turret engi on skyhammer and I schooled you so hard you cried. It’s funny how you make up so much bullkitten when you’re kittening awful. Bring a parachute when you face me on skyhammer. Delusional noob and we can settle this in game any time. Marvin’s server, just tell me when.

josh.7390:

ghaleon.2861:

tanztante.6532:

well, to be honest, i always pictured the thief to be doing exactly that and i still think the thief should be the hard counter to every zerker spec in the game. every other profession can endure a thief long enough and even win. plus, i don’t really want to discuss this, because i am a really really terrible thief and i cannot even know if this is true in general.

Then enjoy the bunker celestial cheese comp /thread

You’re wrong on so many levels it isn’t even funny anymore, I don’t know where to start… First, the main argument that thief counters every zerker spec. Lets go through the classes, btw. I’m always referring to a d/p thief, not s/d.

1. Zerker Warrior is just bad due to being a one-trick-pony (evis / 100b)
2. Zerker Ranger is quite a thread to thieves cuz u have to blow 2 gapclosers to get on him, while one is a stunbreak and the other your daze/boonsteal. If the ranger isn’t caught in a rlly bad spot, he usually has the upper hand. A good Ranger will completely troll you by starting rapid fire when you put down black powder, the channel will kill you while stealthing
3. Zekrer Engis are, like warriors, one-trick-ponies
4. Tbh I haven’t seen a power nec since lich nerf, therefore cant really say something about it…
5. Zerker scepter eles got a solid 50% chance I’d say. Due to tripple block and invuln (if running focus), they can mitigate a lot of your damage while they deal crazy amounts of damage. Phoenix, the hardest hitting skill, can be cast w/o target into sr or black powder.
6. Zerker guardians wreck thieves, period.
7. Thieves usually got the upper hand against mesmers, eventough when the mesmer dodges the steal he has a solid chance. Since steal is instant, doding it is a lot about expierence and predicting.

Something to add to all the steal-haters. We invest 4 traits (8 Points) into this 1 skill. Yea it is powerful, but dont forget if you fail it more than once (sometimes once is already enough), you isntantly lost your 1v1.

As you may see “countering every zerker spec” is just plain wrong. The only zerker spec truly countered is mesmer. And now it gets interesting. In the quote above you say, that we obviously want the celstial chees comp to continue. Therefore I assume that you’re refering to teamq (where you can actually decide which comp you run). And this is the point where I call l2p. Not directly towards you, but to your team. If you’re running a mesmer and your team isn’t peeling for you, you’re doing it wrong. However if my assumption is wrong and you’re referring to soloq, then you just got to get used to it. Every1 gets countered by a certain spec.

One point I agree with you is, that consume plasma is too much. Remove the aegis and it’s pretty balanced.

To the last one, celestial existing due to thief. What a joke. The problem is that thief/mesmer is faster between nodes that most other roamers so you pick these two, plus most celestial bunker builds are more viable than their zerker counterparts. d/d ele is just incredibly strong with the amount of protection and cleanse you get, espically when you add the mightstacking, same goes for staff ele. As I mentioned above, warrior zerker is imo useless. The celestial builds are just the best you can get out of the class, that’s why it is so popular. Compared to zerker amulet you loose quite a lot of power and some crit chance. But then you just go mighstacking like crazy and pick your thief with pack runes, tadaa 2 sustainers with zerker dmg…

Josh you wasted all this time to write bs……. When did I said celestial exist cause of the thief class? I said classes like ele are forced into a tanky dps role because their zerker spec has no sutain and it’s true that thief hard counters them. And I’m not wrong, I know what I’m talking about, but I’m not gonna waste my time like you writing for an hour pretending you know what you’re saying. Thief hard counters every zerker spec in the game. Their steal abilities are too strong and were created to win every single 1v1. If you want to continue this bs pm in game. Anyways I’m done with this thread, I’m not going to keep wasting my time, explaining every noob here over and over again the same thing when they have no clue wtf their saying. PZ

tanztante.6532:

well, to be honest, i always pictured the thief to be doing exactly that and i still think the thief should be the hard counter to every zerker spec in the game. every other profession can endure a thief long enough and even win. plus, i don’t really want to discuss this, because i am a really really terrible thief and i cannot even know if this is true in general.

Then enjoy the boring bunker celestial cheese comp /thread

tanztante.6532:

rest of the thread : don’t care

to OP: isn’t that the sole purpose of the teef?

By sole purpose do you mean to shut down every zerker spec? because all of you think this is a qq thread and it’s not….. If you want to continue the discussion please read what’s being discussed before posting. The thread is about thief hard countering every zerker spec in the game besides “Medi Guard”

Cam Ron.4170:

ghaleon.2861:

Cam Ron.4170:

Cynz.9437:

ghaleon.2861:

Kolly.9872:

ghaleon.2861:

But back on topic, The only zerker spec that shuts down a thief is “Medi Guard”.

Then NERF “Meditation Guardian” cos thief has no chance against that build. As you said every zerker spec should have a chance to equally fight vs other zerker specs right?

but ppl don’t use dps guard in tpvp , a serious team doesn’t…

but but but srs teams run only celestial bunker now not thieves

bingo… and we all know how thieves (anybody really) fair against celestial bunkers

Only NA nabs run bunker comps, EU is all about that roamer burst comp.

only nabs cry about thieves, probably the weakest class in all of spvp right now.

lol weakest class nice joke, I kill ppl on thief while eating a sandwich. And we both know who the nab between us is “YOU” before calling other ppl nabs, look at yourself in the mirror first. Lol turret engi player

manveruppd.7601:

ghaleon.2861:

I know that, but that’s not the point. Ele is forced to play d/d, because s/d or s/f has no sustain and a thief will eat the ele alive if he plays anything else than d/d or staff bunker.

The reason ele scepter has no sustain is because they run it with berserker amulet, to take advantage of fresh air/lightning strike procs for maximum burst. Nothing inherently glassier about scepter as a weapon!

plz stop telling me things i already know………and you don’t get it

Sagat.3285:

When conquest is not the only pvp mode I might start thinking your statement can make sense.

it makes sense now, you just can’t see it………………..

SoLeciTO.3490:

hahahahahaha people complaining about thief in SPVP?

hahahah got to be a joke or trolling?

nobody is complaining about anything….. did you even read the post???

TheThiefMaster.3812:

Basically OP wants the high reward that comes from playing a zerker spec ( blowing people up ) but not the high risk ( getting blown up by other zerker specs not just the thief) . mm l2p , tx.

yes plz l2p

Cam Ron.4170:

Cynz.9437:

ghaleon.2861:

Kolly.9872:

ghaleon.2861:

But back on topic, The only zerker spec that shuts down a thief is “Medi Guard”.

Then NERF “Meditation Guardian” cos thief has no chance against that build. As you said every zerker spec should have a chance to equally fight vs other zerker specs right?

but ppl don’t use dps guard in tpvp , a serious team doesn’t…

but but but srs teams run only celestial bunker now not thieves

bingo… and we all know how thieves (anybody really) fair against celestial bunkers

Only NA nabs run bunker comps, EU is all about that roamer burst comp.

Kolly.9872:

ghaleon.2861:

But back on topic, The only zerker spec that shuts down a thief is “Medi Guard”.

Then NERF “Meditation Guardian” cos thief has no chance against that build. As you said every zerker spec should have a chance to equally fight vs other zerker specs right?

but ppl don’t use dps guard in tpvp , a serious team doesn’t…

Cynz.9437:

conquest promotes bunkering hence why everyone runs bunkers duhh

if this game had different game modes that punished bunkering we would see more zerkers

thief is only class that pretty much exclusively runs zerker because they just can’t run anything else (outside of HJ ofc)

I admit the game mode has to do a lot with it, but so does the thief tearing apart every other zerker spec. The others zerker’s are forced into the tanky dps role because of it too.

Abazigal.3679:

I did run gs/axe+mace warrior for a long time and get similar results( if not better) as thieves concerning damage, whether it was solo or team queue.

I totally agree with your topic, but it’s a bit more complicated in my opinion. Most zerker builds hardly deal with conditions spamming actually, and thieves are able to avoid these thanks to the lot of dodges, but also with stealths which will stop opponents from following you on all map.

I would more likely say that meta builds deal much easier with non-thief zerker builds than with thieves

Finally, somebody that get’s it <3

Cam Ron.4170:

ghaleon.2861:

Cam Ron.4170:

Oh, its onesixty the biggest solo q rager I’ve ever seen. Sorry to tell you, but thieves aren’t very strong right now. You were on my team getting 1v1’d constantly by them yesterday though, so this post is aumsing

Oh hi there hater, stop creating drama, because you’re still kitten about me always destroying you. And I was never getting 1v1 by anyone, I always get 2v1. But thx for the love hater, " Your hate is making greater each and everyday" <3

LOL, “hater” such a juvenile word. and yes I do hate ragers in video games, especially when they don’t perform and they’re on my team.

Back on topic zerk in general should be buffed. Revert crit damage changes. Vs a shatter its whoever gets a jump on the other guy first, d/p thieves have slight advantage because they can stealth from far away. Mesmer can fight any non-zerker class more safely than a thief can

But I always perform, it’s what I do. And I don’t have to play a turret engi like you to perform well. But thx for the love <3, I do appreciate it.

But back on topic, The only zerker spec that shuts down a thief is “Medi Guard”. The thief is King of all Zerkers specs after that. That proves to me right there that you don’t have a single clue of what you’re talking about. The other problem that we have in the current meta is that, Tanky Dps vs Zerker Dps it’s not balanced at all. Which means that as a glass cannon, if I make a mistake I can die. But that’s not the case with tanky dps spec, they’re more forgiven and can make more mistakes and still perform extremely well. With celestial amulet and the might stacks, they’re too strong vs any zerker spec, not only vs thieves.

Cam Ron.4170:

Oh, its onesixty the biggest solo q rager I’ve ever seen. Sorry to tell you, but thieves aren’t very strong right now. You were on my team getting 1v1’d constantly by them yesterday though, so this post is aumsing

Oh hi there hater, stop creating drama, because you’re still kitten about me always destroying you. And I was never getting 1v1 by anyone, I always get 2v1. But thx for the love hater, " Your hate is making greater each and everyday" <3

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Sorry for intruding the again…

It is the gamemode, not Thief…

I cannot believe I’d have to tell you that after all your experience though… If you do not understand this, then I think I got nothing else to add…

Which I do not btw, Thieves are fine, I do not or barely play them even and even I get tired of the whining about them…

You still don’t get the point………………………………………………………….

Nimrud.5642:

Ok so lets say thieves are removed from the game. Will everyone running soldier/cele stop playing those specs? Will everyone run for their zerker/assa amulets? Is the thief the only class that can burst down a squishy target? I think you’ve guessed it: the answer for the above questions is ‘no’. If the thief class had any viable tank spec, you’d see them running cele/soldier as well. Other bunker specs do not only exist because of thief. Thats a flat out lie. Tanky specs exist to counter burst and condispam regardless of source. So saying that its all thieves’ fault is just BS. Consume plasma is OP no question about it, but you’ve gone a little too far because of it. Get some lotion for your aching backside dude!

Consume Plasma definitely needs the nerf. And besides that i don’t want them to nerf the thief class. You’re missing the point…. I just want all the other zerker spec to at least have a chance in the meta. Because it will always be tanky dps and bunker specs. I’m not asking them to nerf the thief, all I’m saying is give the other zerker specs a chance too.

Kolly.9872:

ghaleon.2861:

Kolly.9872:

Every bunker spec (not only celestial) hard counter thief, so?

Did you even read the post? It’s about the thief hard countering every zerker spec in the game…… Except medi guard

so do you want thief to not counter anything but everything to counter thief?
Since every bunker counter thief, Heavy conditions specs counter thief, now let’s add every zerker specs to that list and delete the thief from the game.
So many games played and still clueless about the thief class.

You’re the clueless one, that’s why the game it’s plague by tanky dps specs. And the thief hard counters all zerkers except medi guard. We will never see a S/D zerker ele in high end tpvp. All I’m saying is that every zerker spec should have fighting chance. But the thief shuts down every zerker easily.

Duran.3196:

When I was still active I hard countered most thiefs witzh zerker D/D Ele, did they change anything in the last 2 months?

A thief will make quick work of a zerker d/d ele, nice joke lol.

Phaeton.9582:

token ‘dps guard says hi’ post

We know dps guards hard counters thief bro, but the thief hard counters all the zerkers except medi guard. The ele is forced to play tanky dps[celestial} because a thief will 1 shot the ele if he played S/D. The thief hard counters the Zerker ranger and the mesmer. You get my point, some skills like consume plasma shouldn’t exist. And I’m not asking for a huge nerf to the thief class. All saying is give all the zerker specs a fighting chance. That’s why everybody plays tanky dps.

Kolly.9872:

Every bunker spec (not only celestial) hard counter thief, so?

Did you even read the post? It’s about the thief hard countering every zerker spec in the game…… Except medi guard

Neptune.2570:

As a shatter Mesmer I like the relationship between mes and thief atm. Yes, the thief is still a natural counter to mes, of which I am ok with. The difference since the patch is now if I pick up on a thieves mistake, I can actually punish him for it.

The thief hard counters every zerker spec, it’s the truth. People are force into a tanky dps role because of the thief class. And I’m not ok with the thief hard countering the mesmer so hard. Consume plasma needs a huge nerf.

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

Doubt it, Simon.

it’s true

Cynz.9437:

i am actually surprised you complain about thieves now considering how they got nerfed (again), barely viable and are plagued by massive bugs

thieves run zerker because it is all they can run, they can’t just go hybrid bunker with celestial/might stacking like eles/engis/wars or stack passive (sup nightmare runes necro)…. surely there is p/d but it is worthless and still dies fast

people don’t run zerker because of thieves, they run bunkerish builds because of game mode….
thieves hardcounter other zerker builds as much as other zerker builds hardcounter them, it is literary all about who catches whom off guard

if this game had other game modes that didn’t promote sit on point and stare at enemy for the rest of the game, maybe people would play zerker builds

The only zerker build that hard counters thief is medi guard, that’s it! And a thief can always get the opening due to stealth.

vincecontix.1264:

ghaleon.2861:

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

And nerfing thief wouldn’t change that.

It would actually, why should thief be the best zerker spec that’s viable in high end tpvp? I would like to see S/D zerker ele and other spec being played too.

Thing is though thief has to run zerker to be viable. Other profs can run Celestial, Rabid, Knights, and zerker aswell. In addition thief is closer to the bottom in current meta so think long and hard b4 you make silly posts like this one.

It’s that mentality why this game if full of bunkers specs. You want every class to be viable with only one spec.

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

And nerfing thief wouldn’t change that.

It would actually, why should thief be the best zerker spec that’s viable in high end tpvp? I would like to see S/D zerker ele and other spec being played too.

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

Ele plays DD because it’s the most OP thing in the game…

I’m not denying it, but it doesn’t change the fact that thief hard counters the S/F zerker build hard and every other glass cannon build.

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

Most teams are starting to run a comp along the lines of 2 Elementalists, 1 Engineer, 1 Warrior, and 1 random. The random class is generally a Warrior, Engineer, Necromancer, or Thief. In terms or OPness ATM, I’d say Elementalist and Engineers are both bigger problems than Thieves.

I know that, but that’s not the point. Ele is forced to play d/d, because s/d or s/f has no sustain and a thief will eat the ele alive if he plays anything else than d/d or staff bunker.

style.6173:

Wow! Is the OP a troll, or did he write this message 6 months ago and forget to click send?

Thief is one of the weaker classes right now.

i think you’re the troll

a t s e.9614:

Yes sure nerf thieves more and then this game will officially become Celestial Wars 2.
Its funny how people complain about thieves when the spvp population is 40% engi , 40% ele and 20% who cares.

that’s because you play thief

GoogleBrandon.5073:

I am wrong because I can kill thieves nowadays?

This is certainly a strange one… I should just… dunno…

then don’t’ buddie

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Huh?

In my opinion, as the self-proclaimed worst thief EU, I’d say they’ve been brought in line with most other zerker specs, especially Mesmer…

It is now a case of “who sees who first” and resetting the fight means you won the point! Good job!

You’re wrong, thief still hard counters mesmers hard, they can come in a team fight and down a mesmer in seconds. Consume plasma gives them 5 sec of god mode the mesmer can’t interrupt him and since the thief can stealth more than the Mesmer they can always get the opening. With the sigil of air and fire and mesmer being a light armor class, they can literally one shot the mesmer.

How long are you going to keep the thief class hard countering every other zerker spec in the game. Thief hard counters shatter mesmer, zerker ranger, zerker s/d ele etc. Do think this is fair?? Not only that, they always get the opening cause of their ability to stealth on demand. When they’re losing they can reset the fight and come back and burst you down when all your cd are on recharge. Their steal abilities are seriously op, consume plasma 5 seconds of god mode. How much longer does the balance team needs to realize this? This is why we have so many bunkers in the game.

Sensotix.4106:

I feel so bad for that mesmer he gets like no assist dmg whatsoever
how is he supposed to kill a dd ele alone while he gets chased by 2 guys

edit: mesmer is like necro he can put huge pressure on the enemy team alone if he can freecast to a certain point but he cant really kill 3 people alone so dont just focus on protecting the mesmer rather do this AND focus the targets the mesmer is focusing

and saying that you were 2vs4 on point is not really true since the damage dealers were chasing your mesmer so there wasnt any dmg on point just let one stand on point and rest supports mesmer when they overextend its perfect for you

Most NA players don’t know how to peel for each other, that’s why you don’t see a lot of mesmers in NA.

That explains a lot. LB are BS, at least 10 or more 4v5 daily. And those who play often get punished. While those who play once a day rise up on the LB. I just hope your ladder system it’s not as fail as this.

A war should never lose to a condi necro. Everytime I play my war, necros are the least of my problems. This is an easy match up for a warrior.

style.6173:

ghaleon.2861:

manveruppd.7601:

Not saying the players are at fault for the servers conking out yesterday, but why on earth did you keep playing when you saw there was network instability? I mean, ok, maybe the first disconnect was a fluke, so you queue up again when you log back in, but once you got 2 in a row why push your luck? I think it was pretty thoughtless and I personally wouldn’t like other pvp features to get pushed back to implement a pardon system for people who should’ve had more sense to begin with.

People like to play when they have time…………a person with common sense would at least know that.

No, a person with common sense would do hot join if they still wanted to PvP during network instability. If you got 3 dishonorable, you should think through your decision next time.

I don’t play hot joins ever and I don’t consider hot join PvP at all. And whatever decisions I make, are mine alone, so do us a favor and don’t derail this thread. The issue here, is that people are getting ddos and that needs to be fixed. It ruins all the players their PvP experience.

manveruppd.7601:

Not saying the players are at fault for the servers conking out yesterday, but why on earth did you keep playing when you saw there was network instability? I mean, ok, maybe the first disconnect was a fluke, so you queue up again when you log back in, but once you got 2 in a row why push your luck? I think it was pretty thoughtless and I personally wouldn’t like other pvp features to get pushed back to implement a pardon system for people who should’ve had more sense to begin with.

People like to play when they have time…………a person with common sense would at least know that.

This is just ridiculous, I got dishonorable because of this too on both of my accounts. It’s not the first time this happened. This needs to be fixed asap… Good thing I don’t care about about LB, but I can guarantee, that half my losses are because of all the DDos and 4v5 I get all the time.