Guild Wars 2

SniffyCube.6107:

Robot Chocken.7012:

. I think having some of the same people from SoS going to BG server may yield some of the same problems. Also it requires a lot of organization to do so. If guilds are going to move servers why not take a look at Kaineng instead of all wanting to go to BG and attempt to stack one server..

Isn’t this what made kaineng, kaineng? The idea of “stacking” one server. Oh the hypocrisy!

Obviously not, but thanks for your opinion.

4 hour assault and defense of this garrison. Now how’s that for an epic recruitment poster? Now that’s fun!

Jado Cast.1805:

IF we at BG go to T-1 anytime in the next few weeks, can we take TC and Kaineng with us? This is too much fun. I don’t want TC to go to T-3, its not FAIR! tantrum

I feel the same way! We’ll miss TC next week and likely BG in the next two weeks…unless TC get some new transfers and Kaineng get some sort of EU presence in the next couple weeks!

TC, we will try to cover for you while you are gone and make the match up thread fun! Feel free to stop by for visits to help out!

Ketharius.9018:

BG is like a freight train, it take a while to fully get started, but once it has it’s momentum… watch out. That thing will wreck you if you’re not prepared for it.

So true. You’ll hit your peak speed around Monday/Tuesday.

Score Update;

hmmm…

Dhampyr.2104:

ghtchill.7613:

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

BG you guys are some serious party crashers.
Scenario: Lalala, 1:1ing or 5:5ing along when BAM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr0CRLqx5xs
A googol of BG appear.
Blood. Everywhere.

“googol”? is this new? WTF is a googal? Please clear all future weird words through General El Supremo Walken. Thanks

Well, it’s new if you’re like 100 years old I guess. xD According to the almighty wiki:

A googol : the digit 1 followed by 100 zeroes:
10,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000,­000.

The term was coined in 1938 by 9-year-old Milton Sirotta, nephew of American mathematician Edward Kasner. Kasner popularized the concept in his 1940 book Mathematics and the Imagination.

+1 to Shaka for working “googol” into everyday conversation!

Well, I stand corrected a as does our fair/weird General. Dang sneaky maths….

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

BG you guys are some serious party crashers.
Scenario: Lalala, 1:1ing or 5:5ing along when BAM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr0CRLqx5xs
A googol of BG appear.
Blood. Everywhere.

“googol”? is this new? WTF is a googal? Please clear all future weird words through General El Supremo Walken. Thanks

SniffyCube.6107:

yes, I’ll tell you what I told the two TC people that just msged me “You disgust me for trying to capitalize on our situation… we aren’t a fairweather guild and I have no respect for you trying to poach what remaining wvw players we have from t8. Don’t msg me again”

Also, for future reference, makes you think people here want t2? IF we would have wanted to come join your mega zergs we would have transferred there.

You speak of T2 like you have been there. It’s not always zerg vs zerg, but numbers and coverage play a big role…I won’t lie. But if you think it’s lacking in awesome fun fights you would be wrong. If you, personally, are content to stay in this quagmire, then stay. I’m attempting to appeal to those who are tired of it and actually looking for fun.

Because Sniffy, if you think we don’t have fun there, you’re very wrong…with all due respect Sir.

And now a TC girl comes knockin on General El Supremo Walken’s door looking for her mail. We don’t know how her mail became to be misplaced, but that was yesterday…the real question is will she stay for some champagnya…we shall see…

http://www.spike.com/video-clips/ifl7g8/snl-christopher-walken

Dhampyr.2104:

ghtchill.7613:

This score update brought you by…my corpse :O

Love how you’re dead and still completing events. That’s some serious talent, dude!

Hehe. I didn’t even notice that!

Gotta go that extra mile sometimes…every little bit counts

Monsoon.2589:

I am getting the definite impression that KAi is not able to win anything without exploiting the culling…is it just me or what?

Pretty sure it’s just you. I run right into culling all the time. Note corpse score update above Well that was a portal bomb, with similar effect.

This score update brought you by…my corpse :O

And now for a score update:

We fight everywhere.

Edit:

Sun Tzu said, “Fight the enemy where they aren’t”. That’s a bit of paraphrase, but in GW2 terms, if they are all in EB, go to their BL.

Dhampyr.2104:

Well, since Christopher Walken seems to be our commander this week, I supposed I should share his epicness… epicity… epicosity… er, his greatness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ7z57qrZU8

OMG. Hahahahaha! See that’s why he’s General Walken. Okay, he’s not D-List but…

Come on… “peanuts in a bag…WOW!”

sceptus.9415:

Kaineng you owe us a thank you.

Many thanks!

For Kaineng Commander we MUST have….

MR. Chris Walken!

More Cowbell!

Aurust.8961:

@Kaineng. Great work guys in your first match in tier 2. Blackgate is a VERY strong and able opponent. I hope that your wvw community sees this as a victory and not a loss.

Now you will have to come together as a server and face the tier 2 grinder for many weeks. SOR did and made us much stronger.

Hope to face u guys in battle someday and good luck!

Thank you! This week has taught us new lessons. The match up has exposed some weak areas we were perhaps unable to really see in the previous match ups. I noticed for instance that our numbers decreased quite a bit during the week (at least when I was on) and remember this being common during the previous matches, although I attributed it then to the fact we were dominating those tiers so heavily after reset. Obviously T2 shows that Kaineng needs to get used to playing harder during the week. Having said that, I think we still did a terrific job against you both. Wo worries at all on not winning the tier for a change

We look forward to next week to see how the lessons take.

On another note, it was nice to see more of the Lohan and her entourage at Siegal’s house last night;) Not that we don’t appreciate the lovely Lohans visits to the House of Flav, but it can get a bit much when Siegal is romping around at the same time The Lohan needs to keep Siegal’s mind off that distant Jade Beauty he desires so much…hehehe.

Shrouded.6450:

The yaks… They got to be avenged.

No no. Looks like they are just sleeping

How many TC can fit in one garrison anyway? Every time I thought we were pushing you back there was more of you…many more. Okay, TC/BG kindly take a day/night off from KNBL. We have a lot of cleaning to do after your raucous Lohan inspired debauchery! We can’t bake cookies and fry up the yard bird with all of you hanging around here all night long drinking up all the good booze and eating everything in sight. Lindsay you are a very very very bad girl!

Oh, and I can’t get rid of these splinters

P.S. Lindsay that picture of you ^ is perfect> It waas snapped too soon though, you could have waited for Flav to render first

After fighting for hours in KNBL tonight I have to say…

TY to all of you who fought so hard in our BL tonight. It was seriously one of the best resets I have seen. What fun! We were definitely under the gun there for a while, but we came out ahead in the end. Great job by Prince Jarvin and all the others. We zipped around so fast I lost count of where we were and what we did, culminating in finally retaking Hills and painting the map blue once again. Phew!

As fun as that was, and it was great, it’s also fantastic to come back and read this thread. I have never laughed so much in a match up thread. I want to thank TC and BG for your awesome welcome and your good spirits! Best match thread ever!

Now we need to know should we be Dolyaks or slaughter Dolyaks? I vote for being Dolyaks…or a nekkid guard.

No forum wars please! They get tiresome fast.

You all seem much more fun than Maguuma though! And there will be Dolyaks!

GL to all. See you at reset…eventually…

Hello BG and TC. I’m hoping our match up thread is as fun this next week as this one seems to have been. Some of you sound worried though…speaking of alliances and what not. You may be over estimating the Kaineng. We can’t have that…

You have no need to worry, we’re only here for the Dolyak Parade. We’ve spent weeks to get here just to meet TC and party with their Yaks The culmination of a “long” journey. We can rest now, for there will be Dolyaks!

Cookie?

Elementalist Owner.7802:

ghtchill.7613:

Nice!! The spirit is appreciated. Please remember this next week…
[…]
Bring cookies, and all of the above is meant in fun

Ah, we’re happy to be in T1 with you, Kaineng. Just remember while you’re beating the hell out of us to leave some room for our improvement — it won’t exactly be easy moving up 22 ranks Cheers mate, and of course, best of luck!

Well, looks like it’s not meant to be after all. One day perhaps, until then enjoy and hope you get new opponents soon.

DisplayName.7802:

I asked for some tips on how to beat Kaineng.
Mwahahahahaha
I know all your secret.
:D

builds 50 golems

hahahaha! Only 50?

K U R O I T S U K I.4980:

ghtchill.7613:

6. No QQ about “unfair” match up please. We didn’t make the match up. QQ to Anet.

Mhh I believe anet doesn’t have too much to do with it, it was the free transfers, how can you expect Anet to keep track of those bandwagon guilds, with the free transfers we can be in the tier we really deserve, and have a 33/33/34 map, is not really fun to have everything or have nothing, we have been on both sides and we like when the enemy shows their strength, Eredon will go places, they are organized, and they don’t seem to quit, but also the last place seems to be affecting some guys negatively, no one deserves do be victim of a exploit, if you are gonna exploit to play and win WvW, leave… you don’t deserve to win, you don’t deserve to be in the same server that real players are trying to defend and you are staining their name.
Kaineng, we know we are not T1 material, but we are not really fighting for it, we will see if you guys are, best of luck.

As will we. Leaving things as they were, without the reset, we were due to meet T2, and there we would find out. Now, who knows. We will wait and see. Apologies for interrupting your match up thread, no offense meant. Just thought I’d try and setup fun for next week, with the best intentions.

Worse. Way worse. Does that count as two votes?

Thustlewhumber.7416:

I am happy for SF being in T1. Good for them. Don’t let the mythical WM or zergbots get to you; play – have fun – don’t give up.

Yes, agreed, except for your need to add “bots” into the zerg. We aren’t bots. We wanted to win all the way back in T8. Mostly WvW dedicated servers transferred to us, for their own stated reasons. We embraced this and out of necessesity embraced the predominant play style of higher, winning tiers. We had a hunger to win, and we have feasted. We will meet our match, and be satisfied.

GL to SF next week, let’s try and have fun. And remember…don’t sleep…ever. The WM “boogie zergbot” will get yous.

Maephina.7096:

Darek.1836:

Maephina.7096:

Iskandor.9415:

THINGS TO WATCH FOR:

Will Sorrow’s Furnace continue to hold an iron grip over EB and their own Borderlands?

SCORE AS OF 2/4/13 2:00 AM EST

As of 2/5/2013, I’d say yes. ;D

and this is why we will be laughing our kitten off when Kain destroys you. you didn’t really think you could avoid them forever did you?

We shall see. I think SF is a much different server in WVW than a couple months ago. Should be obvious. I know I and many others look forward to finally facing new opponents. :-)

Nice!! The spirit is appreciated. Please remember this next week…

Someone asked the Maguuma and Dragonbrand guys for tips on how to beat us, of course they aren’t beating us, but do at times. They do win some individual battles, which they pride themselves on, as they should. They are tough, and good. Unfortunately the score far from reflects these accomplishments, neither in the night nor the day.

So here’s some fun tips;

1. Don’t sleep…ever.
2. Don’t expect to run around with a 5 man for very long. Orange swords draw a crowd and no matter how good you are, you’re not good enough. Seriously.
3. Likewise, if you like to solo, you may want to change your play style next week and save on repair bills somewhat. Although the large groups you’ll frequently encounter may occasionally let you live, it’s very rare.
3. Please don’t tell us how you would dominate if you had the same numbers…we hear that all the time.
4. Two hour sieges are nothing. Try six hours…
5. Twenty is not a zerg.
5. We have issues with the Queue, particularly at reset lately. Please wait patiently! We’ll be along eventually.
6. No QQ about “unfair” match up please. We didn’t make the match up. QQ to Anet.
7. There’s these guys called WM. Did I mention, don’t sleep?
8. We’re always sorry for stomping the score. We apologize in advance. Sorry I know you’ll find that insulting….Then again since you won’t be QQing, perhaps we won’t feel the need.
9. Many we have played since T8 seem to genuinely hate us. Try to break the trend, we really aren’t the Borg. You will not be assimilated…unless you volunteer.
10. It wasn’t long ago when we were just coming out of T8. We still remember. Have fun and GL

PS.

Bring cookies, and all of the above is meant in fun

I agree. The culling is terrible. Makes it very hard to fight when you move to an area (not rush into it) where you see a few enemy players and boom you are surrounded and get wiped fast. As a Ranger my own play style tends towards support and picking my targets, as I am not a great (or even good..I admit) 1V1 or 1V3 PVPer and not playing a melee toon. Due to the worsened culling after this patch my own play style is extremely challenged. Not a lot of fun. I’ve been insta wiped more time this week than ever before.

All in all not a great week for GW2 WvW in my opinion. Hope they get these worsening issues worked out soon as I think a lot of people are losing patience.

Personally the theory that Anet has simply lowered the map limit (perhaps significantly) and haven’t admitted it begins to seem more and more likely. We had queues last week, but at least when we got in there were lots of others on the map. It just doesn’t seem that way at all this week. And regarding transfers, I believe Kaineng got most of it’s transfers weeks ago, and we didn’t see this issue weeks ago, or last week either.

Now this latest issue combined with the culling non-fix and the ill considered ratings reset really makes me wonder.

Regarding the stupid notion we should “cough up gems” to go back to our original server…I’m on my original server!

I totally agree with the OP. This ratings reset seems completely unnecessary. Kaineng just got to a competitive tier after steamrolling T7-T4. Not much fun. T3 is much more fun and the steamrolling has stopped. Now, if the Millenium projections hold up and we are playing SF and Ebay next week, it’s right back to steamrolling. Not fun at all for those servers and not fun for us.

The alternative projection, depending on final points, seems to have us potentially in T2 against BG and DH. We’ll probably lose to BG, but not be steamrolled by them, and DH will be squashed by both of us. If I were on DH I think I’d chose to do something else that week.

Once this all settles out in a couple of weeks what will be gained? WE’ll most likely be right back to where we are now. So what’s the point? Seems like a kid shaking up the ant farm to see what happens. The ants get mad and then rebuild the same thing…

Pinko.2076:

PolarApe.9351:

I just want to know how a BL can be queued when it’s not even close to full? This is a new and unwelcome problem I’ve seen this weekend more than once.

Maguuma has had a queue for the last three hours, while we don’t have more than 30-35 players in the map.

Shi’s bugged yo.

Echoing this.

I’m a really skeptical person on the whines from people in this forum, so I didn’t buy into it until Mag BL today. We were struggling on two fronts and didn’t have the bodies to spread west, east, and stop camps. Brushed it off to low participation until I heard there was a queue. I checked every area multiple times, and couldn’t find more than 40ish people. The queue was there for about 5 hours until we lost everything.

I really hope Anet is looking into this. If you did reduce pop caps, then just say so. Then we can plan WvW strategy around the new cap, because it really changes how you need to play. Any response from Anet is welcome on this.

Yeah we (Kaineng) were complaining about this at reset and you guys mocked us for it. Glad you experienced it for yourself eventually. Now we get to say. “Told you!” :P

But then again maybe you weren’t finding people because we were killing them all too fast! (jk)

Optimism.7213:

Appreciate the response and it’s pretty much what I was anticipating as the response.

Servers such as Kaineng, Ferguson, Northern Shiverpeaks, or any medium pop server for that matter need some love. Especially from the oceanic communities. In majority of WvWvW matches, some are won/lost dependant on how big the oceanic community the server has.

These servers have something to offer which is instant queues. If that’s what people want I really recommend heading to any one of those said medium pop servers.

Also I do agree with guilds maintaining the influence gained while transferring. At least it’ll make the decision to leave a whole lot easier.

Not sure if anyone corrected you on this yet but Kaineng has long queues. I play on Kaineng and we have a large WvW community. We’ve seen our fair share of criticism for having a lot of people in WvW since we left T8 as we decimated the servers we met all the way to T3. We’ve had queues for a while now as more guilds transferred to us. So if someone is looking for “instant queues” they won’t find them on Kaineng.

This recent reset was by far the worst however. Last night was better, we were able to enter Maguuma BL in 10-15 mins, but the queue for our own BL was much longer. I waited well over an hour and never did get in by the time I logged out.

There was also the issue, particularly on Friday, where we waited in a long queue only to find the map was not full, or close to full in some cases. Perhaps it’s just the long queue issue itself that caused this…not sure.

This is great! I’d like to see this. I’d have to catch up later though since it’s difficult for me to get on by 6pm Pacific.

Congrats on organizing such a fun event. Well done!

Evalana.5480:

People being nice to each other in a Maguuma thread? This is unheard of!

Though I like it! =)

Maguuma thread!? I thought this was the Kaineng thread… Oh kitten!

stereoblind.4736:

ghtchill.7613:

Surprise!

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

We’ve never played Sorrow’s Furnace…at least I don’t think we have. Aint this the kitten?

this for srs? or prediction type stuff?

So far it’s what the Millenium match up site has on it as a result of the rating reset. Who knows what will really happen. Apparently Anet is changing the formula but hasn’t said in what way. But if it holds up like this we will meet SF in T1. Oh, and along with Ebay too…they will be thrilled I am sure.

Surprise!

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

We’ve never played Sorrow’s Furnace…at least I don’t think we have. Aint this the kitten?

shunobee.6907:

I haven’t met the Queue on ET since I started WvW last October.

Seriously though, I hope you guys do get more WvW people joining you. I think you guys deserve it. You were always tough to beat, especially if you were dug in someplace.

McViolin.8547:

Whats is this “queue” of which you speak of?

You don’t want to meet the Queue. He’s a huge Anet bouncer that only lets 2 people in at a time even when the place is half empty. I’ve also noticed he lets all the cute Mesmers in first. He’s a very very very bad man!

stereoblind.4736:

5 minute EB queues on reset day and instant access on any other day. I love T8

Haha! Shhhh…everybody will move there.

Latest millenium match up has Kaineng in T1 with Ebay and Sorrows Furnace. Maybe not so bad…we get to see Ebay again. I am sure they will be thrilled…

Oh well, it will be interesting to see where this all ends up.

Bones.5762:

poor anvil’s rock being stuck with SoS and SoR.

Oh…my….ouchie!

Waffler.1257:

ghtchill.7613:

Waffler.1257:

Hmm, everyone transfers to the top servers creating a few jam-packed servers and a whole lot of empty ones, and now you guys decide that Anet’s queue system is broken because it takes you forever to get into WvW. It’s not a coincidence, queues will happen when 80% of the WvW population are on 20% of the servers. I’m on CD and have no queues anywhere… ever.

Again. What people are saying here is that there were very long queues when the map was not full, or even close to full. I waited almost 2 hours to get into a BL only to find there weren’t many of us there at all. I tried other BLs and never did get in, while others were reporting that the map in those BLS were not full.

Put it this way. It was like lining up at a popular club watching the bouncer let 2 people in every half hour and then once finally in myself finding the club half empty. That’s what was happening. Definitely seems like a problem to me.

Every person I see complaining about long queues are in tiers 1-3. Where is your evidence that the map is not full? Here is a link from a post (https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Any-Tarnished-Coast-citizens-agree/first#post1334270) Habib made a few days ago when TC complained about the same problem, they see nothing on their end and I tend to trust their queries more than players’ anecdotal evidence.

Yep, read that. I also read the responses to it. I didn’t sweep the map counting people or anything. I’m not a new player, and have hit queues on reset on all 4 maps pretty much since Kaineng left T8. I have waited up to 2 hours in the past, but every time I have, I’ve seen a lot of us on the map. I didn’t see that last night, or close to it. In fact when I eventually made it to a Kaineng force of any size, after getting killed a couple times by fair sized DB or MG groups on the way, I found 3 commanders leading about 20 people. I thought it was weird and then realized that that group was probably most of the people on the map at that time. Apparently a lot of other people noticed the same thing. It was totally kittened.

Also, it’s not only the large WvW populations reporting this either. YB was reporting the same thing, this week.

Waffler.1257:

Hmm, everyone transfers to the top servers creating a few jam-packed servers and a whole lot of empty ones, and now you guys decide that Anet’s queue system is broken because it takes you forever to get into WvW. It’s not a coincidence, queues will happen when 80% of the WvW population are on 20% of the servers. I’m on CD and have no queues anywhere… ever.

Again. What people are saying here is that there were very long queues when the map was not full, or even close to full. I waited almost 2 hours to get into a BL only to find there weren’t many of us there at all. I tried other BLs and never did get in, while others were reporting that the map in those BLS were not full.

Put it this way. It was like lining up at a popular club watching the bouncer let 2 people in every half hour and then once finally in myself finding the club half empty. That’s what was happening. Definitely seems like a problem to me.

Boonprot.6274:

dEjAhVu.4526:

kerona.3465:

fellyn.5083:

Yeah, only Kain is complaing about bugged queues…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Any-Tarnished-Coast-citizens-agree

Not that I think that counts as proof. But it would be nice if Anet let us see our position in the queue to help know if it’s at least moving. That would go a long way towards getting rid of that sort of complaint, I think.

Ask your WM buddies to log some bots off so you can get in next time.

Ugh… Let’s not start this again…. If you really believe they are botting report them. The rest of us don’t want to hear this garbage resurface.

Usually, I hate accusing others of botting or hacking, because it usually is caused by the accuser not being as fluent with game mechanics as the accused. However, there was some incredibly… suspicious (maybe not the best word) activity last night. Every so often we’d run into a WM zerg that stacks incredibly perfectly and moves in absolute coordination. There was no movement delay, no nothing. It was honestly like watching a flock of birds. What’s more, is that if you focused down or CCed the members at the front of the “flock”, the ones that were obviously leading the charge, the entire zerg ball stopped and died to CC/AoE.

There was such a startling dichotomy between these “zerg balls” and the legitimate WM zergs that I can’t help but think that there was something fishy going on.

Not ever having seen this myself, and I have seen WM in action obviously, I can’t really comment beyond saying what you’re describing does sound pretty weird…if that’s what you were actually seeing.

Elysios.9274:

So Kaineng get all their points when everyone sleeps? .. with full maps Kaineng was really weak.. I’m a little dissapointed

LOL

Cactus.2710:

Try this test:

-1. join a party with four other players
-2. find a safe spot on any WvW map and have everyone in your party stand in a circle a few feet from each other.
-3. have three of your party quit or log out of the game without first leaving WvW
-4. compare your mini-map with the main screen
-5. how many blue dots now show on the mini-map?
-6. how many characters now show on the main map?
-7. take a screenshot and send to Anet

The game simply is not releasing players who log out or D/C without first leaving WvW.

Yep, true. I have noticed this. But still, a heck of a lot of people must have logged out while still in the maps to explain what we saw during last night’s reset. And I would wonder why it was not anyway near as severe last week.

Taras.4367:

this isnt Anet’s fault. 90% of servers defended and welcomed the guilds that transferred to their server now yall are complaining about the wait time. this is hilarious. dont like the que? switch to a lower tier server.

Oh good idea. Lets all transfer to a lower tier, presumably low WvW population, server to avoid queues. Hmmm…see any potential problem with that idea?

And of course we didn’t have a problem with the guilds that chose (not recruited) to come to our server. We had a low server population, still only medium actually, and a higher than average amount of people into WvW. So we were happy to increase our WvW population so we could move up. But to say that last night’s severe queue issue is solely due to transfers that happened weeks ago isn’t accurate IMO. Like I say, we had queues last week in all maps, but nothing like last night. When I finally got into a BL I didn’t see all that many of us actually on the map. So the argument that there’s just too many of us doesn’t seem to be accurate IMO. Something was/is bugged.

Bannok.3152:

In a perfect world we would have the same amount of coverage/presence all the time. Then the better players would effect the outcome. I am just shocked at the blatant stupidity of people saying stuff like “QQ I cant get my 80 man guild in at same time for eventz” or those who complain “Ive been on JQ since day one and now I have 4 hour queue”, when all those servers did was either mass recruit guilds of 100+ hardcore WvWvW guilds, or become a victim of said transfers. Its preposterous to act like you didnt see this comming. There are caps in place, and even if there was a problem with the queue, which might be the case, you’re still going to have a huge amount of people trying to get in.

Want to fix WvWvW? Limit the same amount of people on per map, per world. On a side note, if it is bugged, I hope they fix it. I have a feeling it really is just overload due to new match ups, bandwagons and hope that the comming PvP patch helps the PvP community.

I really don’t think Kaineng got that many more people this week over last week. We queued all the maps last week at reset but it was nothing like last night. When I finally got in last night after a long wait I found there really wasn’t that many of us on the map…maybe 50, although I didn’t even see that many while I was on. So, comparing last week to this week, I’d say there is definitely some sort of problem.