Win loss win loss win loss for a week. Then i started a win streak of 20+ and get out of ruby hell. But i can tell that, differently from what the dev said, it wasnt my skill “improving” that decided that was the time i got out of the ruby hell. I played exactly how i played the matches before. Maybe good players managed to get out of ruby this week, so it made my games easier to climb. But still, wasnt me improving XD. Also i cant stop thinking that was the matchmaking deciding me to go up, especialy when a week ago i always got 3-4 necros against, then they diminuished to 1-2 this week, allowing my revenant to be able to play and outrotate them. Also, necros i got in these last 20 games didnt watch my scepter autoattack spam video, so it was easier to deal with them. I cant say they were less skilled (cuz i dont feel there is ANY skill in necro gameplay to start of), but maybe good players are finaly climbing up and this will allow players to climb up to diamond more easily?
I doubt it
To be perfectly honest… ruby is atm worse than amber/smaragd regarding quality of players.
And thats purely because players got either carried their by a winstreak, luck and above average starting mmr… or they grinded their way into it.
Thats why matches in ruby are just terrible… this already extends way into diamond too.
So the system is grindable enough.
To improve this, division locks have to be removed, there’s no way around it… only amber and smaragd should be grindable. Sapphire should get smaller tiers without tierlock… and ruby should remove division lock.
This way people can still make their way into ruby (achievement grindable), but they wont stay there if they arent good enough for it.
-> no bottleneck anymore
This should improve overall the distribution of players along the ladder and with that the quality of matches.
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Also… there shouldnt be any comeback pips… you should never be rewarded for loosing… I get the “incentive” thought behind it… but it actually doesnt really help but make ladder more of a grind.
So, instead… Id re-introduce the mechanic of season1, where you didnt loose a pip if it was a close loss to a higher mmr team. This rewards fighting until the end. Which should be enough incentive to get better.I completely agree but they should remove the division drop in Sapphire aswel.
Otherwise there’s only 1 div drop stopping them from proceeding into ruby, destroy some matches for other ruby div players there and return. Rinse and repeat..I feel your pain too am burnt out in sapphire as well
my season is over – even though I am working my hardest to improve and feel I have improved since the start I cant now get out of MMRHell – not good enough to carry and stuck in low MMR – season over for me too – should end it now or put is some MMR resets in the season to help those players who do improveAmber= no div/tier loss but pip loss
Emerald= no div loss but tier and pip loss
Sapphire= div/tier/pip loss
Etc…If that happens, the wings become for the few, not everyone. ANet said Anyone can get it. This season my win rate has gone from 50/50 to around 30%. It’s taken me close to 2 weeks to get out of T5 sapphire. to say I’m burnt out would be an understatement. as far as ranked go for me, it is not 3 daily games, that’s it. for me the season is over. I’ve lost all will to try and get higher.
I know the feeling – am burnt out in sapphire – working very hard to improve myself from the start of season and lot has helped from watching videos playing unranked and listening to people on the forum – I have improved but my mmr is now stuck in hell and I have no way of progressing even if I could. I wont give up because that’s not me but season 2 is over for me – maybe some kind of mmr resets at weekly intervals might be an option to help those progress who do show improvement or make the seasons shorter
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From what I understand, you need to finish part IV this year to be able to get the legendary because next year we get a new item to work towards.
My understanding was that the achievements will stay in our hero panel and you would just carry on working on them in the future – nothing has been said that they will be removed from your panel
I would agree take the legendary back pack out and put in a reward track not as it is now – I dint think there should be rewards for ranked pvp maybe a title but the badge says it all – its the competition the players should want and not any reward – that’s not the right incentive to play ranked pvp – pve rewards should not be any incentive
it does not really matter – all u will do is reduce the player base even more so that there wont be any point – queue times will be through the roof and this will discourage even more people to quit as if there isn’t already happening
If I dont get legendary on my own by end of next week I will just pay some high MMR pvpers to carry me to legendary, better than missing the 1 AP.
I am an AP hunter but would never get some one else to get me 1 AP!! its not my achievement then – that says something !
this is what is wrong with pvp ! AP should not be there nor should pve rewards
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you can only carry so far
Should average players stay in the middle divisions because that’s where they belong at their skill level? This retains prestige and only improving skill will allow climbing,
Except it doesn’t. There are —five-- other players on one’s team that determine the outcome of the match. Improved skill of a single player will not translate into climbing out of a division. In addition, overpowered classes/builds do even more to ruin this prospect.
Is there an incentive that could be added to league games for players who have reached their appropriate division and can no longer climb?
Of course there is! But isn’t that what the developers are paid to come up with!!?? A start would be to implement a way for people to see that the system either is or isn’t screwing them over. Show total games played, total games players for currently selected class, current division, current pips. As long the system is a non-transparent one, you’re going to have people calling “bullkitten” forever.
this agree entirely +1
OK, flawed logic aside, 18 loss streaks are the opposite of what this matchmaking system is supposed to create.
whether it was the intention or not they exist all over pvp
It’s just not true due to how MMR+MM work.
Of course it’s true. If we look at it from the opposing point of view then what? Some accounts are eternally doomed to never be able to climb just because they have lost some games in the past? Individual skill has no meaning anymore because this account is forever going to get matched with bad teammates vs unbeatable opponents? If you’re good enough, given enough time you carry your way out of whatever division you’re in. If you’re not good enough you stay there and rightfully so, this is the nature of competitive gaming.
What utter nonsense – if you are paired with 4 awful players no matter how skilled you are against any half decent team you will lose virtually all the time 1 player cannot carry a whole team all of the time and good players are stuck in lower divisions – fact! progression is impossible no matter how good or how much you improve
I just lost my win streak cuz other side had team PZ again on alt accounts. Really frustrating and puts me off of PvP seeing all these legendary players trolling lower leagues to stroke their kitten.
- at least you had a win streak count your blessings!! hard to have any sympathy
the good players ending up one side is how it works if your are on the other side you are a bad player lol because the game is putting you with people your skill level verus whoever is near you in the league. The other things are legitiamate concerns. Regardless though things like uneven matches are not necessarily a sign of naything things tend to snowball and season one had tons of uneven matches.
not ok if you are trying your hardest to improve yourself but keep getting matched with the losers – that’s MMR hell
fine if you are lucky or good enough but doe snot cater for those who might not start god enough and so get rubbish MMR and then even if they improve still are stuck and this is driving the pvp player base – so those at the top can enjoy the ever diminishing base, they system does not cater for those looking for improvement
it will probably carry on into seasons 5 6 etc so will just take longer maybe next year for me I’m looking at season 6 or 7
it does not get reset after each season mine did not reset after season 1 I suspect its ongoing even after the year is over the backpack is a permanent item just will take much longer for some to get it
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believe me it does exist – long losing streaks from the start its real!
After reaching 11 pips in diamond after hard work I got caught in a downward spiral and the following screen shows what happens to me more often than it should.
It happens, I was in t6 at one part of the day and t3 later after getting stuck with 3+ necros and other disappointing circumstances. Win streaks make it easy enough to recover progress though.
that would be fine if you can get on a win streak bad if u cant – so not helpful!
well I’m trying but cant
I highly recommend watching pro player’s streams/vids of those that play your class and watch how they rotate, what skills they combo, the people they tend to fight, etc.
The only way to get better is by emulating those that already are.
I have watched lots of the pro videos online already in preparation
cant do any more than keep trying and hoping one day….A LOT of this game is watching rotations and being mindful of where your team is at, where the other team is at, and what’s going on with the map like, buffs/lord/beasts/etc. Also being mindful of how many enemies are alive and where they’re at. How many are rezzing, and when they rez, they’re probably going to try and take home/far, so someone should be back capping/watching. That kind of stuff can help you to carry matches in the division you’re in.
Also, playing a class that can carry well is good too. Mesmers and Revs are the best at it right now. Mez because of ports and Moa. Rev because they’re just so self sufficient, but die to condi really easily. I’ve been playing Rev and enjoy it, but I also really like playing Mez as the ports/clones are just so much fun. Mez is much harder to play than Rev, though.
I have tried multi classes such as revnant and Mesmer believe me I am trying my hardest and know map awareness and everything you mention.. I dont have the skill as yet to carry 4 others .. and probably never will. There is nothing more to do than pray and keep trying…
well I’m trying but cant
I highly recommend watching pro player’s streams/vids of those that play your class and watch how they rotate, what skills they combo, the people they tend to fight, etc.
The only way to get better is by emulating those that already are.
I have watched lots of the pro videos online already in preparation
cant do any more than keep trying and hoping one day….
I can’t agree with OP.
Also, if you stuck in amber/emerald/sapphire it doesn’t mean that you belong there.
If you win/lose/win/lose/win/lose etc… then something is a bit wrong though sometimes we might think that this is where we belong.I had my fair share of matches up until second tier of ruby. Before I had quite even matches, won and lost but made it with premades and solo que which was hard (you can’t call “grind” on everything that is about progress). Now I can’t move past tier two no matter what. I did solo in the morning, afternoon and evening. Done premades with my guild that is really good at pvp but well… MMR wished for us to fail with giving us stronger teams but hey! This is how pvp works… you lose to those who are stronger, nothing bad with that if you learn from those experiences and try to improve and exceed at some point.
well am doing lot of learning and definitely trying to improve myself but cant help the team members I have around me
well I’m trying but cant get out of emerald so I don’t think I can “grind” my way out
also am an average player who knows a little of what he is doing – still stuck despite trying to solo and team up
agree that ruby is where the players who know what they are doing are and more skilled – but I will never see that despite trying and wanting to improve as hard as I can – am stuck
okay all you S2 matchmaking > S1 , how do you explain the situation in which you get if you lose 3 games in a row ?
I stop for the day, or if I were really into just SPvPing all day, take 5 to get some water and requeue for a different set of teammates and enemies.
You suddenly get mates that have absolutely no clue at all.
The games end 500:~200 many times.Communication helps. Or plan a rotation given your team can’t win a fight greater than 3 on either side. Try everything you can, split their comp up, etc.
Do you really feel like this is better than it was in s1 ??
Season 1 was the most abysmal PvP ever. I didn’t say MMO, I mean Season 1 was probably the worst state of PvP in a game since Atari. Whoever decided to allow such a broken, skill-less and boring meta exist in the first place needed to receive a very firm kidney shot. The sheer fact that even in professional tourneys streamed that the game ended when someone got a two-cap speaks for just how low the bar was there.
Season 2 is in every single category save maybe matchmaking, better than Season 1 by an immeasurable amount.
Aside of the kittening mmr-tanking is S1 ( i play purely solo-q ) the games there seemed much more balanced.
In both ways.No, Non, ‘Insert another language of NO here’. With how skill-less the viable bunker builds were, you couldn’t honestly separate the difference between an Emerald and a Diamond, it was too simple to pull off the combos, to stay on point and just live. It is why players got to Legend so easily, it is why many players are ‘feeling’ so wronged about this season.
The honest truth? Some people rocking the Primordial Legend should not have gotten it, talk about imbalance and boring grind. If the first season were like this season in any regard, there would be far less titles around than right now. And that’s a good thing.
But now, the moment you reach your MMR and you get into a losing streak its over.
You cannot ever get out there again.Like I said before, the matchmaking now is trying to affix a group around your MMR to you, if you find that you are getting some…rather ‘skill-less’ competition which could very likely just be a team that simply cannot play too well together, then stop queuing for a bit!
Losing sucks, we all get it. It’s a good thing that there are ways to stop yourself from tilting, it’s a pretty great thing too when you manage to get away from teammates who at a certain point due to their own losing streaks, start to rage and afk and the like.
But don’t even pretend like Season 1 was anything remotely good for SPvP. It was the worst period of SPvP balance ever, even given the participation which was largely baited by the opportunity at a nice legendary back-piece.
have done all of that taken breaks continually – does not help still get the same teams even after returning – am stuck in hell now!
1. I’m not a pro but at least an experienced pvp player. I was late for the season and now stuck in ruby due to the lose streak.
2. PVP and WvW don’t attract as many players as in PVE contents and there is nothing wrong in this pvp season system. Many people who are doing in ranked because of the achievements for the wing and badge on their name tag. If so, please punish them and let them stay in their division. Let them learn it through the harsh way. It’s pvp league!
3. Those who are expect to get “lucky” in team match making, forget about it. If you do not know the mechanism in pvp in this season and just want to get a win but don’t want to learn. Don’t do ranked yet, the more you lose, the worse team you will get and then you will continue the lose streak and finally QQ in the forum on the lose streak and the system.
4. What i found on the lower MMR players is that, they are using meta build but they don’t understand it, they just simply keep spamming their skills and greed on kills or triple caps. They don’t hold their caps.5. You are using meta build? Awesome! But do you know how does it works? Skills spamming? Does it apply to opponent’s comp? How is your team’s mobility? Do you watch your teammates Hp and map? Do you know how to kite and stay alive? Do you know which teammate need help? If you are getting zerg, what are you going to do and etc etc etc etc…
6. Seriously, ask yourself why are you doing ranked? If you just want the achievement for the wing, here a suggestion for you. There are 4 seasons, you have all the time for it but if you are looking for the “wow, a diamond/legendary badge”, you better learn to pvp in this season instead of getting lucky.
I don’t expect to get lucky or get carried just want to learn and improve have done unranked hotjoin to help myself practising and putting the effort in and doing all I can to improve but is hopeless if no one else on team does and am stuck whatever I do – and know my build but still stuck in mmr hell losing streak
your thread is just what puts me and the majority off pvp—
if you have nothing helpful to say then refrain from posting thanks
do not tell me where I can play thank you
They need to sort out matchmaking, and maybe keep track of individual performance as well as team performance so if do get stuck losing you could maybe still advance pips based on your performance.
Agree with this +1
that would be something at least
join the club yet more blow outs tonight total mismatches
I’m tier 4 emerald at the moment
done all those things still no joy am learning and feel I am improving but stuck in MMR hell
yep the same ranging from few hours to a whole day
have tried taking breaks after 3 losses still no joy would take forever
does not work for me
what a stupid post people will play what the play in ranked
I for one will play what I like
thanks anyway
still emerald over a week – have lost will to live don’t care now when I enter the match so much apathy might as well toss a coin – wont give up but with MMR in the toilet not much hope
I only started with PVP in season 1 because of the backpiece, I’m a diehard pve player and atm I only play casual in the weekends. I mostly play my ele and I’m still learning about maps, roles etc.
But… I’m winning 90% or more of my matches.
Not sure if you got bad luck and I’m lucky as kitten or if there are other things going on. But I feel bad for players who get the bad effects of this season MMR.
that makes me feel so much better
lucky you!!
definitely agree I am absolutely demoralized MMR tanked nothing I can do have tried breaks teaming up everything cant do anymore!
I don’t see low population, except during school, and work hours. As for MMR balance again I don’t see it. On two occassion I gotten to Ruby, one account doesn’t even have HOT installed to it. So no MMR balance doesn’t seem like a issue to me.
well bully for you – you must be one of the lucky ones!
trust me MMR is an issue to lots !
agree – I have been stuck now for 2 weeks in same spot completely demoralised by the endless losing streaks tried all the suggestions taking long break joining teams trying to improve my pvp playing ability and I feel now the lowest I have ever felt in either my gw2 or gw1 time 10 years now. I wont give up because that’s just me but have reached the point of apathy and lack of caring – I fully understand why loads are quitting pvp with these losing streaks I know my MMR is screwed now and nothing can change it – an air of utter helplessness what ever I try now !!
I wonder if you are still recruiting, I have sent a mail ingame – am not new to pvp but not very experienced in it and looking to improve myself and be more part of a team with pvp rather than solo. I am enthusiastic and willing to listen learn and be flexible and accept constructive feedback to improve myself.
The solution to this is pretty simple. Take the various ingredients necessary to complete the “The Ascension” recipe, and make them so that they can be earned in a method that does not require participation in ranked league matches.
Boom.
One move, and suddenly half to 3/4 of the players in the league ranks, most of them in the lower-end of the players, will be gone from the matchmaking system, allowing the true PvPers to compete among themselves, and may the best player win.
This agree entirely take the AP’s out as well would I think really solve a lot of the issues
As nice an idea as this guild was, it doesn’t seem to be the solution we were hoping for. I got in fairly early (I’m even in that short clip of the first as Agent of Shield), and while I’ve met some really great people, this PVP season has still sapped the life out of me and killed all interest I have in the game.
I don’t know what my exact losing streak is right now, but somewhere around 20 games in a row seems about right. Quite a few of those involved teaming up with people in this guild, and while I’m aware there’s no barrier for entry, it only takes a few poor sports to ruin the atmosphere, and it still hasn’t solved the problem of afkers and dcs.
Ultimately I think this whole season is a bust. While I was hoping to progress in the achievements, and maybe improve as a guardian while I’m at it, I don’t see how I can possibly get out of sapphire aside from getting a few lucky win streaks. There isn’t enough time to improve to the level I’d need to, and it’s hard to learn how to improve while getting stomped repeatedly. This last week of pvp has been my worst experience in the game over the last three years.
I agree after being a veteran of both gw1 and 2 I have never been so close to quitting over this so demoralized – on a bad losing streak , thought the idea of this guild was fantastic only problem I am on eu server so cant get any teams and stuck in the death spiral now am trying hard listening and wanting to improve my pvp game willing to learn and listen must be over 20 game losing streak though – but wont happen I think. I have lost the will! stuck in emerald for an eternity definitely my worst ever in game experience!
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No I dont want to be a guy with 1,000 hours of pvp having teammates with 20 hours. I dont understand how anything can be fairer then being grouped with people your own mmr level. This is supposed to be competitive.
+1
If you want balanced matches, you either need to put in the time to get to your appropriate ranked position, or skip the league and stay in unranked.
Don’t worry, my friends. As it’s going now, you won’t have to carry anybody because there’s not going to be people left to carry. People think the pvp population is bad now? Wait until the exodus (that’s already started, mind you) hits full-stride. Then it’ll just be the top-250 beating on one another in ruby, no bubbles, no troubles. People throw around ‘ded game’ way too casually, but it might honestly describe pvp once the casuals and average players you hate carrying leave.
But if that’s what the powers that be want pvp to be? Then okay, good game, plan is working really well.
this +1 agree
If you had been paying attention it’s not just the worst tho. Decent players aren’t able to play in this system. So quiting the game is a moot point and that is going to affect everyone, even the ignorantly smug.
agree entirely could not have said it better +1
Apparently the matchmaker rewards what it determines are “good” players with easier matches.
apparently, that’s not true, all people on my friend list are good players who made legendary in season 1 and they all gotten bad players in amber and emerald tier, and now they are ruby almost diamond…good player will progress no matter what..
just plain wrong!!
matter of opinion matchmaking is definitely not working
to be expected with the shambles of matchmaking now most are quitting I would assume
The differences between teams are huge because its the start of the season. It will even out eventually and the differences between teams and players within certain divisions should be small within a few weeks.
I know it isnt fun at this moment if your mmr is low. The new bonus pips during win streaks will get players like me (26-2 so far this season, solo + started yesterday) out of the way in no time tho.
This sort of person is exactly the reason pvp is the way it is elitist and smug – save your pity please !! typical elitist should not have expected anymore
I am not sure if you still have any space, but I am a very enthusiastic guild wars 2 player looking for a new home – active guild community and people to enjoy the game with. If there is space I wonder if you might be able to send me an invite, if not am happy to wait until there is a space
another attempt and again no credit on the health regen crystals something should be done about them once break bar gone they go down too quick despite me hitting them to get any credit just explode very demoralizing!
Another minor suggestion, increase the health of the regen crystals, and/or make it so that the break bar doesn’t give them 100% damage resist, maybe something more like 80%. As it stands they currents explode almost instantly when the break bar is depleted resulting in people not getting kill credit on them.
This
agree totally I am really struggling getting any credit for destroying the crystals because of this. Also is anyone else having problems getting credit for killing the branded – I tag and hit a lot of them but only get 2-3 kills per event
definitely agree about these achievements don’t help at all – for the turret I don’t think you can use them until event starts so does not matter when you turn up someone was kind enough to let me take control after the fight started used it but no credit
I am not enjoying this at all at the moment – so many issues have tried several times using mortar turrent and pad all in same fight and still cant get that achievement unable to loot end chest no credit for crystal node killing imprisoned crystals shatter soo fast, and then have to wait 3 hours for next attempt!
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I wonder if I could ask for invite
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