Morale of the story; allow division/tier drops.
That would only result in many people outright quitting. Good luck with your match queue times then, especially in higher divisions.
Why would they quit?
this should be obvious!
What I got from this story: typical average player goes from Ruby to Legendary by switching to Revenant. Duly noted.
+1 – what I get from this thread is that there are winners and losers – tell me something I don’t know
lol !1 its a no brainer !! ok off to l2p!!
add them to your block list and give them nick names so you can wait for them to enter a game first before you start to queue yours.
The problem is I have so many of them that if I wait til they are all playing I will never get a game
I was thinking the same actually for 3 straight wins in last tier of sapphire to make ruby
am on EU would be open to offers
I thought MMR was different on the two accounts
if I win on a ftp acc does that alter my MMR for the main accountThat’s correct. The point of the f2p account is you can keep playing even when your “tilting” (i.e., losses having a negative effect on your attitude, outlook, and thus gameplay). Playing on an account where you don’t care about the outcome of your matches because you don’t have any achievement goals can act to “recharge your batteries” and allow you to perform better as a player. Then with your improved attitude you can go back on your main and start winning.
It’s a purely psychological approach, but your attitude going into the match is a major contributor to whether you win or lose. This is true for both team sports (e.g., lacrosse) and individual sports (e.g., wrestling).
well I agree but I find even playing matches on my sons’ account where I don’t care too much I still lose streaks so not much help
I thought MMR was different on the two accounts
if I win on a ftp acc does that alter my MMR for the main account
I have alternate classes I play I tend to rotate between ele necro and guardian pending team composition. I am working my way through the seasons achievements as well so don’t really want another account -
I personally think most people who get such long lose streaks get them as a result of a defeated mental state… Why keep queueing if you are clearly mad/distracted off the game being busy with how much the system sucks.
Just take a few days break after a 3 lose streak, might maintain your sanity.
I remember how much I hated LoL when I was assigned to gold after some lucky evaluation games on my first season and losing like crazy till I fell to silver.
Anyway I don’t really believe the situation many here describe, I had experience where I dragged an alt out of the mentioned hell with just personal skill.
So what if your games are harder, accept the challenge and be the best you can, stop playing stupid meta sustained power builds and go full ham if needed, you got nothing to lose. When you are stuck in ruby feeling like you’re as good as any diamond you should have the mental capacity to climb the ladder. Either by tactics, or by communication or by simple steamrolling 1v2 fights on far which I often did to climb despite supposedly bad teams/comps.
oh if only – have regularly taken several days break for losing streaks come back and still the same – but my MMR is tanked so nothing changes – I do agree though I am demoralized as hell and this does play part
You cruised through to diamond, just one easy win by easy win by win. What have you achieved through it? Right, nothing! You had no competition. .
By no means was it easy, but at no point did I feel I was fighting a losing battle. Most games ended with both teams reaching at least 300 to 350 points, even when I was on the losing side, so they were by no means one sided cake walks.
The matchmaking has been pretty fair from my perspective, no solo queue vs premades, no crazy unbalanced teams (yes lots of Necros, but it was never like 5 of one class on one team and 5 of another class on another team).
To say I didn’t learn anything is also wrong, I learned plenty during season one that has made me a better player, season 2 I just applied what I had learned and again from my perspective a lot of other players have too.
In Ruby I found that the majority of players knew how to rotate, they knew when to leave a losing fight and as I said, when to switch classes to better improve the odd’s of winning, lower divisions I found everyone just wanted to stick with whatever they came into the match with.More importantly, I haven’t rushed this season, I played an hour or 2 at a time and took breaks for days to do other things, I haven’t gotten caught in this “I must get to Legendary ASAP” mentality, I’ve had fun with it and not taken it too seriously.
While I guess not everyone will have had the same experience this season as myself it could just mean players need to try something else. Switch class, change up the builds to suit yourself, running meta doesnt work for everyone. If you get on a losing streak, stop playing for a while, let the divisions players balance out a little more and then try again, rushing early on at the start of the season is going to be when the games are most chaotic as everyone is thrown in at the start all together.
I dont know what else I can say, I have enjoyed this season, I feel like I could probably still push my way up a bit through Diamond, I doubt I can make it to Legendary but getting more experience from playing games against others who are at a higher level than me is only ever going to make me a better player.
Well nice for you I wish my season 2 was like that – but exact opposite – 90 % blow outs (which I can predict within a couple of mins of playing) hardly any competitive matches. I have tried my hardest improving myself trying different classes and builds , taking breaks all you have suggested but not worked out endless losing streaks which I expect now – the worst experience of my guild wars time in 10 years of playing gw1 and 2
I suppose there are winners and losers – I know which side of the coin I fall onto!
Came back to game and went from amber to legendary, all soloQ in under a week. No need to pay for a carry, just stop getting ticked off at losses and practice more. Played a fair amount of thief specifically my push out of diamond to legendary.
ah that’s the solution if only I had thought of that!! – nice and straightforward see you in legendary then!!!
I have practiced watched videos and improved done all you have suggested since the season started but unfortunately cant carry whole teams and with MMR tanked I cannot show my improvement – and oh yes – it is a team game no matter how good an individual is!
What are you talking about. It’s a one man team game. The other 9 players are fillers that are incapable of the same thing you are advised to do. Get real and good end of the story. 20% = 100% and don’t you forget it. If you always win it is mainly because of your 20% not because of something about the other 80%.
When a metric apply to a team of 5 or less (or is it 6? or 7…) we apparently appropriate that metric individually. It a state of utter pro-ness where you managed to canibalize your team performance and make it your own. Stop trying to find excuses and get gud.
I have no idea what you are trying to say – I will explain it again in simple English – its a team game 5 players vs 5 other players !
“..A one man team game…” LOL !!!
“get gud” – that’s the answer! right problems all solved ! why did I not think of that
I think you missed the sarcasm.
probably did ! I see now lol well over my head
I have practiced watched videos and improved done all you have suggested since the season started but unfortunately cant carry whole teams and with MMR tanked I cannot show my improvement – and oh yes – it is a team game no matter how good an individual is!
What are you talking about. It’s a one man team game. The other 9 players are fillers that are incapable of the same thing you are advised to do. Get real and good end of the story. 20% = 100% and don’t you forget it. If you always win it is mainly because of your 20% not because of something about the other 80%.
When a metric apply to a team of 5 or less (or is it 6? or 7…) we apparently appropriate that metric individually. It a state of utter pro-ness where you managed to canibalize your team performance and make it your own. Stop trying to find excuses and get gud.
I have no idea what you are trying to say – I will explain it again in simple English – its a team game 5 players vs 5 other players !
“..A one man team game…” LOL !!!
“get gud” – that’s the answer! right problems all solved ! why did I not think of that
Anet will probably nerf Warrior, increase condition damage, etc…
Also, if you lose the 1st match in the season, you are going to lose forever…
this agree +1 – so true !
Honestly it’s not your fault but it’s a design fault.
It’s too easy for people who play badly to reach higher divisions.
That’s all.
At the same time there is no incentive to improve your gameplay because if you continue to grind, you ’ ll arrive to legendary before the end of the season.
And at the same time there are not enough tools to help people to improve their skill or game knowledge. This is pretty evident in Legendary where there is a hug gap between games, from a trash tier to good tier, basically depends on many esl players are in the game.
I’ve been grinding all season – am not near legendary at all !
simple solution to all of this don’t put PVE rewards into ranked pvp only eg legendary back pack, the reason a lot play ranked when they maybe cannot or should not is because they want the back pack – anet has enticed more people to ranked pvp with this – either that or make it so you can get it also from unranked
I’m sure I do season over
I was past caring long time ago season was finished weeks ago only another 10 days or torture left! endless lose streaks no competitive matches. I fear S3 more of the same! I log in get my 15-20 blow out losses rinse and repeat
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I have practiced watched videos and improved done all you have suggested since the season started but unfortunately cant carry whole teams and with MMR tanked I cannot show my improvement – and oh yes – it is a team game no matter how good an individual is!
I have practiced watched videos and improved done all you have suggested since the season started but unfortunately cant carry whole teams and with MMR tanked I cannot show my improvement – and oh yes – it is a team game no matter how good an individual is!
I have practiced watched videos and improved done all you have suggested since the season started but unfortunately cant carry whole teams and with MMR tanked I cannot show my improvement – and oh yes – it is a team game no matter how good an individual is!
I have practiced watched videos and improved done all you have suggested since the season started but unfortunately cant carry whole teams and with MMR tanked I cannot show my improvement – and oh yes – it is a team game no matter how good an individual is!
I have practiced watched videos and improved done all you have suggested since the season started but unfortunately cant carry whole teams and with MMR tanked I cannot show my improvement – and oh yes – it is a team game no matter how good an individual is!
90% of my matches are blow outs ( team not getting above 100 points)
but then my MMR was tanked ages ago and am in MMR Hell – season was over several weeks ago
Why? Don’t waste your gold. Season ends In about 2 weeks. If you can’t get ruby on your own, I hate to break it to you, but you won’t get the backpack. I don’t like to be that person, but there isn’t a nice way to put that
Plain wrong!
You will be able to get it by other means even after this year is over even without ruby this has been confirmed by dev’s
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Stopped-dead-on-Wings/page/2#post6074516
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we are in season 2 now not 3!
If I understand the question accurately; The league crossings reset each time you move up a “season.” So, none of your crossings will count toward the next season. You have to do it all again. This is the way I understand it at least.
no they don’t reset mine did not after season 1 carries on where you left off for next season
You Should just accept the system is like this and try to focus to have fun in the games . Try do your part and get better. Reaching legendary is a bad goal to have if you continue to get stuck. The goal og gw2 have bin sinde release to have fun. They anounced the game like this. I gave up on focususing to be a certain place. It will come or not. Focusing in doing my Best with what i have and are getting and getting better. This is agin fun to play. I agree getting bad comps and team can be frustrating. Not cause i loose pip( cause its. Second objective after having fun, getting Good matches, and me getting better.
So focus—->having fun, getting Good matches, and getting better.If only!! ah well I can dream !! on back of my latest blow outs!! cant remember fun!
1 flawed , yes
2 focus good matches
3 yes i hate getting blow out matches to
4 if all one is getting at this point in game is blowout matches i would indeed suck
I don’t mind the blow outs now got used to them
If you can’t deal with that, or aren’t good enough, stay out of ranked. That’s how the community treated ranked before leagues, but now every casual/PvE’er feels entitled to progress through the leagues. Good players don’t play ranked to farm noobs and couldn’t care less that noobs are threatening to leave.
Since the advice to those having problems this season has been to group up I find it ironic that “better” players who presumably play more and so know more people in the “community” don’t want to have to take the same medicine.
The advice offered to players losing a lot, “to group up” is in direct response to huge loss streaks followed by blaming teammates (of similar MMR) in ranked matches. “Better” players don’t feel the need to group up because they aren’t blaming their teammates for 30+ loss streaks.
I don’t want to have to “take the same medicine” in ranked, where I’m already generally content with the skill of my teammates, because win or lose, the MMR system is matching me with similarly skilled players. Unranked is a whole other story, where if you have high MMR and don’t team up, you’re actively asking to get noobs placed on your team. This is the worst system (e.g., S1). Playing with (and against) people who are outside of your skill-range simply isn’t fun. I’d be happy never setting foot in that matchmaking system again.
That’s the one really great thing about S2 matchmaking: that you’re put on teams of similar MMR. I’m not saying S2 matchmaking is perfect (or even close), but that aspect of it is truly great. I hope that however ANet decides to change matchmaking for S3, we will maintain being placed on teams of self-similar MMR.
well I sincerely hope not for the benefit of pvp but then I am past caring I will carry on anyway but blow outs for me now are the norm
You Should just accept the system is like this and try to focus to have fun in the games . Try do your part and get better. Reaching legendary is a bad goal to have if you continue to get stuck. The goal og gw2 have bin sinde release to have fun. They anounced the game like this. I gave up on focususing to be a certain place. It will come or not. Focusing in doing my Best with what i have and are getting and getting better. This is agin fun to play. I agree getting bad comps and team can be frustrating. Not cause i loose pip( cause its. Second objective after having fun, getting Good matches, and me getting better.
So focus—->having fun, getting Good matches, and getting better.
If only!! ah well I can dream !! on back of my latest blow outs!! cant remember fun!
All of those people in MMR hell should just form a group and get themselves out. It should be simple enough, they’re all in the wrong division anyways.
We have already done that! It’s a guild called End The Streak, and Master Foo, a pro player formed it, and he helps out players who are truly stuck, and the players help themselves by forming teams and helping to remove the quacky matchmaking that seems to contribute heavily to the downward spiral.
So hang in there – and join up on teams! It helps!
Is this still purely NA I joined a few weeks ago but am EU so could not team up if there are other EU players I would consider rejoining
That same alt has gained 20 ap so far this session, from wins.
Good morning Chaith.
Season 1 was rekt by players smurfing. This season is being trashed by alts. It’s basically the same thing, high level players using a loophole to farm easy wins and loot.
You realize most of these players are completely not caring about rewards ?
You think Chaithh and people like that care about golds, mats and such ? most of them can barely manage to find how to craft the legendary pacbkpiece by themselves because they’re just here to play.The main reason for pro players doing that is because of queues times.
ah that’s the reason I would never have guessed – thats’ alright then!
Didn’t someone on these forums make a guild ETS (End the Streak) for that very purpose? Seems worth a shot.
Its a NA guild so not good for EU unless they have changed and have enough EU players
I tried before but ofc could not play with them
Extreme Disappointment in PvP
Completely unwinnable matches 9 loss in a row 1 win in 17, huge bad luck streak .
the usual 1-3 forward 2-3 back stopped , I’m in total rut.I hate this MMR like million other people
REQUEST:
Can I get ONE good match ?
Can you filter out players that play pvp for the dailies, seriously wtf?
Can you add resign button?
Can you add at least a MVP spot on losing team that when u lose u dont lose a pip?
Can you add soloQ back?Any1 else feeling the pain?
what division are you in ?
what profession build are you running ?
go necro reaper that’s the answer!
Hey everyone,
I wanted to just chime in here and make some things clear as they may not be clear.
The “Year of The Ascension” achievement do not reset/clear between seasons. Whatever progress you have carries over to the next season.
If you can’t/don’t get the legendary if a specific year then there will be another way to obtain that specific backpack. I can’t go into any details on that, but you WILL be able to get previous years backpacks in some way.
We also understand the frustration of players and matchmaking this season and will do our best to make some changes for Season 3.
Great..just great, I bet it will be a reward track like the glory armor, god forbid pvpers get something exclusive…but ofc we can’t compete with the economic value of pvers gems buyers..so anything to make them happy ofc
I think the exclusivity comes in the form of your badge and title
and as most true pvper’s have kept saying in the past – they don’t play pvp for rewards!
what are “less versions”?
misses the point – if u start late and want to work towards the legendary – then not much help is it!
Even if you miss season 1-3 you can still make it to ascended backpack if you get legendary division in the 4th one
that’s not the legendary one
it still penalizes new players to gw2 who come on late in the pvp seasons through no fault of their own. They should have the chance of obtaining and working towards that legendary back pack next year especially if they like the skinbeing late might not always be your fault but in the same way it is unfair to the people who put in the effort at the right time.
disagree with this entirely
I cannot see how when some one decides to purchase the game is being unfair to anyone else – thank goodness anet don’t think like you!
what are “less versions”?
misses the point – if u start late and want to work towards the legendary – then not much help is it!
Even if you miss season 1-3 you can still make it to ascended backpack if you get legendary division in the 4th one
that’s not the legendary one
it still penalizes new players to gw2 who come on late in the pvp seasons through no fault of their own. They should have the chance of obtaining and working towards that legendary back pack next year especially if they like the skinthere will be a legendary next year
a new player wont spend 800g on a legendary back
a new player won’t be able to get the legendary anyway until he/she put a reasonable amount of time into pvp.giving out the legendary after the “year of ascension” is mocking all the players who worked hard to get the item during that year. why work now if you can get it later?
are u able to read !! I would suggest you look more closely at what the dev said !!
It wont be just “given to them later” in fact I suspect it may even end up harder to get it after the year is over!
yes they will still need to work for it just the same but they should be able to earn it through hard work just like everyone else just that it will be next year – all other legendaries are available to be worked on permanently during your gw2 time
and its not mocking other players effort as they are still going to have work just as hard
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Hey guys, did you really actually look into OP’s report before blaming everything on MMR hell?
Please note the few things on OP’s report:
1. Matchup systems from both season 1 and season2 have problems. But season 2 matchup is better in terms of reflecting true player skills(even with MMR hell existing)2. MMR hell is mostly due to login randomness. I interpret this as at certain times the system can’t find good meaningful games with limited amount of player in a certain pip region.
3. Uneven matches are bad but they shouldn’t affect MMR by that much. When you are in a losing streak against vast superior teams. It really shouldn’t punish your MMR ratings that badly.
so is there a safeguard in place for MMR in matchups against superior opponents then that means that the MMR does not drop
what are “less versions”?
misses the point – if u start late and want to work towards the legendary – then not much help is it!
Even if you miss season 1-3 you can still make it to ascended backpack if you get legendary division in the 4th one
that’s not the legendary one
it still penalizes new players to gw2 who come on late in the pvp seasons through no fault of their own. They should have the chance of obtaining and working towards that legendary back pack next year especially if they like the skin
what are “less versions”?
misses the point – if u start late and want to work towards the legendary – then not much help is it!
It’s very clear that I will never win the wings.
The wings aren’t for everyone. Nor should they be.
Yeah they are, anet actually said so so long as players are prepared to work for them, skill is irrelevant.
agree with this – you have to earn it
If you can’t/don’t get the legendary if a specific year then there will be another way to obtain that specific backpack. I can’t go into any details on that, but you WILL be able to get previous years backpacks in some way.
disappointing, so there’s no value to them at all.
indeed, it is easy enough to get the legendary already
ascended backpack should require diamond division in all seasons of year of ascension
legendary backpack should require legendary division in all seasons of year of ascensionstarting season 3 it will have no prestige anymore and I will probably reskin it because everyone will have it
I disagree here. There’s nothing wrong with how to obtain the Legendary back item as it is now. However, I feel that it should be retired after season 4 (The end of Year of the Ascension) ready for the next Whatever that we can earn in season 5-8.
Calling it “Year of The Ascension”. So you should earn it in this year.
Can you imagine how cluttered that achievement panel is going to get? Its not fantastic as it is.
so you work really hard put all the effort you can in then miss out maybe because you might have missed season 1 – maybe u arrived later onto the pvp scene or even the gw2 scene and therefore are screwed- very nice !!
If you can’t/don’t get the legendary if a specific year then there will be another way to obtain that specific backpack. I can’t go into any details on that, but you WILL be able to get previous years backpacks in some way.
disappointing, so there’s no value to them at all.
indeed, it is easy enough to get the legendary already
ascended backpack should require diamond division in all seasons of year of ascension
legendary backpack should require legendary division in all seasons of year of ascension
let me guess your diamond or legendary
Judging by your past posts I would not expect anything less
not failing to disappoint your division
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Hey everyone,
I wanted to just chime in here and make some things clear as they may not be clear.
The “Year of The Ascension” achievement do not reset/clear between seasons. Whatever progress you have carries over to the next season.
If you can’t/don’t get the legendary if a specific year then there will be another way to obtain that specific backpack. I can’t go into any details on that, but you WILL be able to get previous years backpacks in some way.
We also understand the frustration of players and matchmaking this season and will do our best to make some changes for Season 3.
Can the Raid only items get this treatment too? Another way to earn them.
I don’t understand why add something that should take effort to get, only to assure people they will get it anyway as long as they want it.
I’m sure it will still take a lot effort and will not be a “gimme”
If you can’t/don’t get the legendary if a specific year then there will be another way to obtain that specific backpack. I can’t go into any details on that, but you WILL be able to get previous years backpacks in some way.
disappointing, so there’s no value to them at all.
not long for the elitist response !
depends what u mean by value
If I get it – I am sure I will have earned it and not have had it given to me
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Sorry, most people blame MMR but I say its actually your poor playing styles. Unless you post videos of how you play no one will believe you. Everyone who cries MRRhell think they deserve to be in legendary when they simply don’t.
I dont think, deserve or want to be in legendary and I don’t totally blame MMRHell but it exists and is a big factor for me mainly historical MMR which I can never change – also its a team game and not just about my personal skill level. I don’t have the skill to carry whole teams
Or they can do what successful games do,match all 10 players with same mmr,not 5 with 2000mmr vs 5 with 1500mmr like Anet are doing now….
agree with this too so much
I had a few ideas for how matchmaking could go down in season 3 that I would like to share.
A few problems I have with the current system:
-MMR hell
-Poor players don’t have good opportunities to learn from better players
-High level players trolling lower divisions (ruby in particular)What if we added options for the types of players you want to be matched against upon queue?
1) Players with a lower MMR than you
2) Players with same MMR as you
3) Players with a higher MMR than you-Queuing with option 1 would need to have an alternative reward to pip gain/loss or reward pips at a much slower rate.
-Option 2 is more or less the current system
-Option 3 would give players the opportunity to learn from how higher level players play and should give an accelerated volume of rewardMy hopes here is that instead of high level players trolling lower divisions, making alt accounts, etc. They would choose the option to queue against lower level players when they get tired of playing in legend. Players who queue against others with a higher MMR than themselves would have an opportunity for their own MMR to adjust more accurately upon victory. Players who choose to play against opponents with a higher MMR than them would be directly paired against the opposite group of players choosing to play against an opponent with a lower MMR than them.
I think these kinds of changes would give Glicko different opportunities to calculate more meaningful games and generate a more accurate MMR for players. This also doesn’t force any individual player into any of the 3 situations.
Thoughts?
I would so welcome this
MMR does not always place you with players of your CURRENT skill level – for me most of my bad MMR is historical and not a reflection of my current skill level so yes this would be most welcome
yea I’m still tier 4 sapphire a week now for same reasons