Guild Wars 2

Raven Paradox.1860:

jojojoon.8607:

1) JQ, you guys have better coverage than us. We only have NA coverage. It’s not fair.
OCX and AFS , two large wvw guilds, transfer to SOR to add to an already strong off peak coverage (Most of SBI oceanic/asian guilds transferred to SOR).

2) JQ, you guys have a better SEA coverage than us. It’s not fair.
-On a Saturday, it was JQ zerg vs SOR zerg towards the end of SEA time zone. SOR zerg got wiped repeatedly.

3) JQ, you guys have FOO. FOO should not participate in the match this week. It’s not fair.
-uhhhh.. what?

There is a common theme I’ve noticed about Blackgate and JQ. Both know absolutely nothing of SoR.

Everytime I’ve ran with Fear/TW/Hire/Choo, I hardly see wipes, and I follow their commanders daily. I’ve wiped JQ a hell of a lot more times than I’ve seen any of SoR get wiped. So, I’d like to see some decent evidence of you wiping SoR zergs.

Secondly, I was on during the SEA timezone all of last night. We had a zerg of 20. We were map hopping to try to save stuff, but we were losing things left and right because JQ simply PvDoors, and queues up every map while SOR would have to quadrople the size of their online forces to fill up just one map. So, the whole “large guilds stacking on our server” is a flawed argument.

Third, as an NA player that works graveyard so I can play whenever I want on weekends, I’ve hardly ran into this FOO guild. Not entirely sure who they are, but I see a lot of people talk about them and I have a feeling they were the ones PvDooring last night.

All I know is JQ is an overly stacked server that “Wins” based on PvDoor and consistently runs even from zergs that are 1/3 the size of their zerg. If you actually had as much skill as you guys had talk, you’d actually go to a server where you need to compete against players rather than doors instead of hiding behind the masses.

Dang, it is true that JQ players are like Laker fans. Full of crap, big egos, know nothing about the game, and don’t know the difference between an actual win and a dishonorable one.

So, let me summarize:

1) SOR doesn’t get wiped while BG and JQ get wiped.
2) 20 SOR zerg map hops but never sees FOO guild on any map during SEA time zone.
3) OCX and AFS aren’t guilds on SOR, or simply accordingly to Raven, don’t do anything to be noticeable.
4) All tier 1 wins from all servers (HOD, SBI, JQ, SOS, BG, etc..) are dishonorable wins.

Fixeon.5076:

Evo Nightcrawler.1902:

Amazing night in SoR bl with TW/TWL/EMP/ACO! Looking forward to more evenings like this.

Yall crashing as much as us? Pretty sure we had mass crashes every 20 minutes. Was making fights interesting when right as we push in half our melee would crash out.

I have crashed before but it’s usually during large fights inside a keep. I haven’t crashed while running solo or in a small group. If you guys are crashing every 20 minutes, then try splitting into smaller groups to see if it helps.

Rogi.8720:

jojojoon.8607:

1) JQ, you guys have better coverage than us. We only have NA coverage. It’s not fair.
OCX and AFS , two large wvw guilds, transfer to SOR to add to an already strong off peak coverage (Most of SBI oceanic/asian guilds transferred to SOR).

2) JQ, you guys have a better SEA coverage than us. It’s not fair.
-On a Saturday, it was JQ zerg vs SOR zerg towards the end of SEA time zone. SOR zerg got wiped repeatedly.

3) JQ, you guys have FOO. FOO should not participate in the match this week. It’s not fair.
-uhhhh.. what?

You obviously don’t play during Oceanic or SEA lol. You outnumber us on SoR 10-1 easily. Don’t make an inaccurate list like this unless you have facts to back it up.

I play during early oceanic time zone a lot. JQ has 2 small/medium size oceanic guilds. If you think that JQ outnumbers SOR 10:1 during oceanic, then I will take it as a huge compliment.

Plus, why is my post not accurate? According to SBI posters, excluding WM, around 80% of SBI oceanics/asian guilds went to SOR during the end of free transfer period. OCX is an oceanic guild and AFS is an asian guild so they provide off-peak (or non NA) coverage.

On this Saturday, during late SEA period, I was on and saw a JQ zerg fighting a SOR zerg.

1) JQ, you guys have better coverage than us. We only have NA coverage. It’s not fair.
OCX and AFS , two large wvw guilds, transfer to SOR to add to an already strong off peak coverage (Most of SBI oceanic/asian guilds transferred to SOR).

2) JQ, you guys have a better SEA coverage than us. It’s not fair.
-On a Saturday, it was JQ zerg vs SOR zerg towards the end of SEA time zone. SOR zerg got wiped repeatedly.

3) JQ, you guys have FOO. FOO should not participate in the match this week. It’s not fair.
-uhhhh.. what?

Pretty much all mind games on this thread now. You have a poster pretending to be on JQ to troll the other servers. You have posters who are trying to get a guild on JQ to not participate in the match. Why not tell JQ that they can only play with 25 people on each map this week.

In a way, it’s like the moving goal post again…

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Without Foo this would be a much more even matchup. I would think JQ would win by about 15k instead of 50-60k

I agree. JQ may even lose. But I also think that if you take away one of the better guilds from any server, the score would change. BG lost one of their HB leaders and have already seen the effects of it. We’re talking 1 person and not even a guild.

scootshoot.6583:

jojojoon.8607:

scootshoot.6583:

WRod.3856:

Tyaen.5148:

As much as I hate giving credit to [EMP]. Whoever was running that 5 man havok, you guys are good. SoR BL

#.1 N.A So Splendid doe.

JQ = #1 off peak coverage. What started as a <2k difference between 3 servers last night ended this morning with a 12k advantage, great job carrying the server as usual FOO!

Not sure why this is a complaint on a Saturday. I played until 3am PST yesterday not because it was overtime but because I like wvw so I didn’t mind playing a bit longer on a night when I know I don’t have work or school the next day. When I woke up this morning, I saw a large JQ force fighting a large SOR force. There were a lot of JQ NA helping out. The SOR force was getting wiped consistently. This went on until late afternoon.

Just stating facts, no idea why JQ is getting all defensive. It’s a great time to wake up to a 12k lead is all, nothing more nothing less.

Kudos to the overnight crew FOO, your server may not give ya the credit you deserve but the rest of us know the hard work you put in after hours. ;D

Not really getting defensive. It’s just I don’t know why you’re whining so much when it’s only on a Saturday. FOO along with WM are two of the best asian guilds in wvw.

scootshoot.6583:

WRod.3856:

Tyaen.5148:

As much as I hate giving credit to [EMP]. Whoever was running that 5 man havok, you guys are good. SoR BL

#.1 N.A So Splendid doe.

JQ = #1 off peak coverage. What started as a <2k difference between 3 servers last night ended this morning with a 12k advantage, great job carrying the server as usual FOO!

Not sure why this is a complaint on a Saturday. I played until 3am PST yesterday not because it was overtime but because I like wvw so I didn’t mind playing a bit longer on a night when I know I don’t have work or school the next day. When I woke up this morning, I saw a large JQ force fighting a large SOR force. There were a lot of JQ NA helping out. The SOR force was getting wiped consistently. This went on until late afternoon.

covenn.7165:

jojojoon.8607:

covenn.7165:

jojojoon.8607:

Grats on getting 300-400+ ppt for long stretches every day because neither of your opponents have the people to throw at your zerg. Seriously, you need to stop the nonsense posts.

So, were you on 24/7 on every borderland to know for a fact that both SOR and BG are constantly outmanned? Or was this just a nonsense post because you didn’t “see” what really happened during those time zones on both BG and SOR on every map.

sigh You really don’t understand the difference do you. Think about it a little more perhaps.

I never said anyone was out manned on every borderland. Your words, not mine …as you can clearly see above.

“because neither of your opponents have the people”

Right. You don’t understand how conceptually that isn’t the same. That is painfully clear. You are also pointing out how you took what I said, and decided it meant something else rather than taking it at face value. There is a difference between being outmanned on every borderland like you said, and not having enough people to combat an enemy force. I suspect you won’t see that though….

I guess this is our argument if we substitute “people” with “money.”

You: because neither of your opponents have money
Me: So, you mean they’re broke.
You: I never said they’re broke. I said they have no money.
Me: Ok.

covenn.7165:

jojojoon.8607:

Grats on getting 300-400+ ppt for long stretches every day because neither of your opponents have the people to throw at your zerg. Seriously, you need to stop the nonsense posts.

So, were you on 24/7 on every borderland to know for a fact that both SOR and BG are constantly outmanned? Or was this just a nonsense post because you didn’t “see” what really happened during those time zones on both BG and SOR on every map.

sigh You really don’t understand the difference do you. Think about it a little more perhaps.

I never said anyone was out manned on every borderland. Your words, not mine …as you can clearly see above.

“because neither of your opponents have the people”

Nuked.2360:

Which yak is it? Who to kill who to let live!

They’ll just kill all of them.

covenn.7165:

hex.3218:

Covenn,

Give us a specific metric to measure who is best. We will accept any. Just give us one and stick to it.

Who is best at what? Specific measure of what… people’s opinions?

This is a silly thing to request because it is a matter of perception as well. My personal perspective is that SoR has the best NA presence because I haven’t lost a fight to equal or lesser numbers outside of a keep in months. Someone in a different guild, on a different borderland, and playing for lets say JQ might think they are the best because of what they see night to night.

Its like people complaining about being 2v1’d, who has the most zerg balls, or who runs the most …you know the arguments we keep seeing ad nauseum on the boards. Pointless, because it is all about perspective.

In this post, you say it’s all based on perception. Yet, you make an earlier post that contradicts this.

Grats on getting 300-400+ ppt for long stretches every day because neither of your opponents have the people to throw at your zerg. Seriously, you need to stop the nonsense posts.

So, were you on 24/7 on every borderland to know for a fact that both SOR and BG are constantly outmanned? Or was this just a nonsense post because you didn’t “see” what really happened during those time zones on both BG and SOR on every map.

In other games, the word “unique” means something totally different. For example, in diablo, unique just means it’s rare to find. You can equip the same unique item in multiple slots. So it doesn’t make sense to say " you should know that since it says unique in the description" or “unique is self-explanatory.”

blnylund.1829:

Thanks for the fun fights in SoR (Aco). Was fun fighting even numbers in between running from that 80 man SoR zerg.

(Pro) Nashin

I think JQ split up their group into 2 with Aco running a group of their own. The Aco group probably have 15 to 30, depending how many pugs following. BG had about 20 to 30 running around. As usual, SOR runs with their 75+ zerg.

fragnstein.3486:

SoR and BG need to double team JQ. JQ thinks numbers=skills.

Which time zone do you play? SOR actually has the most people in wvw during NA prime especially now with Tsym joining SOR. During NA prime other than reset night or a major push, BG and JQ can probably queue up 2 borderland maps. SOR can queue up 3 borderlands easily.

albotelho.2931:

jojojoon.8607:

If you’re on SOR then you will notice it even more. Many guilds in SOR have admitted in the past on the forum that they insisted on clumping everyone together in 70+ zergballs since it helps them win open field fights.

If I recall, some even say that they will never split up to defend objectives since they play to win open field fights and having these 70+ zergballs is the most effective way to fight. Their strategy with these 70+ zergballs is that it allows them to overwhelm their opponents in numbers for every fight, especially if the other server run multiple havoc groups or split up to take multiple objectives.

A few guilds from other servers have requested SOR to split up on the forums due to the skill lag issue but SOR basically rejected the idea of splitting up their 70+ zergballs.

Never heard of that… but I will not deny it, I see a lot of big zergs on SoR, but it is not different from BG and JQ. Both have incredible large zergs that I dont see spliting up in any moment.

I saw it in some of the old weekly update threads. Some guilds from BG and JQ were requesting SOR to split up due the massive skill lag whenever large forces clash. SOR’s response was: We only play for the fight so we won’t split up our 70+ zergballs.

If you read other forums other than here, SOR is actually known to be the “zergiest” server in tier 1. I’m not talking about coverage. I’m talking about massing everyone on the map to one area for a fight.

If you’re on SOR then you will notice it even more. Many guilds in SOR have admitted in the past on the forum that they insisted on clumping everyone together in 70+ zergballs since it helps them win open field fights.

If I recall, some even say that they will never split up to defend objectives since they play to win open field fights and having these 70+ zergballs is the most effective way to fight. Their strategy with these 70+ zergballs is that it allows them to overwhelm their opponents in numbers for every fight, especially if the other server run multiple havoc groups or split up to take multiple objectives.

A few guilds from other servers have requested SOR to split up on the forums due to the skill lag issue but SOR basically rejected the idea of splitting up their 70+ zergballs.

Sounds like JQ did any awesome job defending their keep against 2 servers if the fight lasted 4+ hours. And now, you’re on the forum complaining about how you couldn’t cap it.

The #1 reason why regular wvw players (not pve) run in a zerg is to take advantage of the aoe cap limit. When an opposing player puts down an aoe, the best counter is not to spread to avoid the aoe but to have everyone zerg up and clump together so only 5 people are taking damage. It makes no sense but it is what it is. Unless this changes, people will continue to run in zergballs since it’s the most effective way to fight.

Pve (or casual players) running with a zerg to get karma, exp, etc is a different story. As long as the regular wvw players are running in zergballs to abuse the aoe siege cap, the pve players will follow.

MrKnieves.4162:

WvWvW = World VS World VS World. What did you get in ancient times when two nations fought? Huge zergs. That’s what WvW is, so please stop this nonsense rambling because it’s not going to change anytime soon.

I am actually fine with large fights. What I don’t like right now in the wvw “meta” is stacking up in 1 large zergball to take advantage of the aoe cap. I do not think that in ancient times when you have archers shooting arrows, the opposing group would stack up in the range of the arrows to avoid the damage.

In the current wvw “meta,” when you fight against 1 large zerball, you die instantly when they run over you and you don’t really know what happened. You don’t know what the players in the zergball are doing nor are you be able to select any of the players since it’s just a ball of name tags.

If aoe cap is removed and it forces players to spread out in large fights, it’ll allow everyone to be able to see what other players are doing better. Instead of seeing 1 ball of name tags, you might be able to see a few players in front of you casting aoe, a few in the back buffing, a few on the side starting their attack motion, etc. Seeing what other players are doing will allow you to time your attacks, avoid/dodge, etc which is what small scale fight is all about..

declan.3968:

What it needs is two things:

1) remove AOE cap
2) split AOE abilities for PVE/WvW . Lower the damage coefficients for AOE skills in WvW but give them control elements, like Daze, Knockdown … For instance, Ele Staff Meteor Shower could give 50% chance to Knockdown on hit, but damage is reduced by around 50% – this means that AOE is used more as a control element to funnel rather than a big damage skill to wipe.

In doing so you don’t give an AOE heavy squad the means to wipe a zerg, but you give them control tools to keep a blob in place while your ground crew moves in to mop up.

I agree with this. Removing the AOE cap will at least stop players from stacking up in 1 huge zergball to abuse the aoe cap. There is a server in tier 1 that only runs in 70+ zergballs to take advantage of the aoe cap since it’s the easiest way to win open field battles.

If you think about it, it doesn’t make sense. To avoid aoe, you stack up in 1 huge zergball instead of spreading out to get out of the range of the aoe. If there is no cap, that huge zergball will have to split up and play more tactically. Maybe have 1 group in the front and then have a second group flanking on the side. But right now, without the aoe cap, the best way to fight is just to form a zergball, close your eyes and spam your skills.

Cactus.2710:

Heijincks.9267:

Actually they are actually working on one.

Sorry … I don’t believe you. The most recent comment I’ve seen from Colin Ferguson on the subject of new maps for WvW was this one dated about a month ago. If you’ve seen something more recent, please post the link.

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Interviewer: Do you plan to add new WvW maps ? If so do you have a deadline to communicate? Can we expect to see these maps for this year ?

CF: We are always looking for ways we can improve the WvW experience, and new maps certainly would be a way to do that. While we would like to add new maps to the game at some point, creating maps is our most labor intensive process and WvW maps take quite a lot more effort to build than any other type of map so we’re exploring some other avenues to create new gameplay opportunites until we have enough time to properly build and test any new maps.

To summarize what Colin is trying to tell us. Creating a map takes resources. Since wvw is the bottom of all bottom on the list of things to do, a new map will not be added any time soon.

It’s been almost 8 months. If Anet really wants to use their resources to add a map, it would have been done already. Spvp got a new map. It seems like there’s a new dungeon map and jumping puzzle every month for pve. If Anet just assigns 1 person to create a map for wvw, I am 100% sure that in 8 months, he would have it done and tested. We’re not talking 8 days or 8 weeks. It’s 8 freakin months!!!

I seriously thought that when ascended gear was released months ago, we would get ascended gear in wvw by now (the most recent wvw patch). However, adding an npc to sell ascended gear was deemed not important since more resources were needed to add features for pve. If adding 1 npc in wvw took longer than 3 months (and counting), I think adding a new map would probably take 3 years.

Now, the most recent news is that anet added 1 developer to the wvw team while removing 2 and assigning them to do other pve development. With less resources on an already small team, any wvw related feature will probably take even longer to release.

SOR is the only server to have absorbed multiple guilds from 2 servers. JQ absorbed guilds from SBI. BG absorbed guilds from SOS. SOR have absorbed guilds from both SBI and SOS. With OCX and now AFS to boost their oceanic and SEA force, they really do not have any more excuses on why they shouldn’t be doing well. It’s now up the NA force on SOR to actually work with the other groups in the other time zones.

Bakitten291:

Nuked.2360:

Heavens Brethren.6471:

Congrats JQ for maintaining first place by being the lead server in a two server team. I solute you for your individual servers skill in Wv3. Good job manning up to your loss last week by showing such excellent strategy! =) Go “Jade Rall.” Cheer

You seem a little mad you do realize that SoR hit us just as much as you guys. Thing is our stuff wasn’t paper when they hit it. We capitalized on your guys dead periods and you guys struggled to do so this is the result.

So Sor is in the water only attacking our people… JQ is on the hill, only attacking our people… yep sure your point is totally proven. Btw, this is directly outside our spawn.

From your screenshot, it doesn’t even look like SOR and JQ can even attack each other due to the height of the cliff.

lemora.1304:

At this point I believe Anet devs are either trolling very, very hard or just hate us WvWers very very much.

They don’t hate us. They just don’t care about wvw. Anet wants all the resources spent on adding content to pve. This is supposed to be the wvw patch but we get more pve content than wvw. This wvw patch took almost 8 months, so there won’t be any new wvw content in another 6 months.

At this point, I’m not sure what to do with my badges that is taking up half of my storage. I was hoping I could buy ascended gear with the badges after the patch but was disappointed as usual.

Pvp has always been the end game for numerous mmos. People are leaving gw2 because of a lack of end game. I just don’t understand why Anet isn’t spending more time in adding content to wvw to enhance this major part of gw2’s end game.

MagiKarp.8201:

wish.3102:

MagiKarp.8201:

JQQ has no shame… The best SEA coverage in the whole game and still recruiting… Competition whats that?

I’de suggest you guys consider Kaineng or BG <3 – MERC, ND, Thai & Urge could use some company!

Was always good to have you guys on map with us back on SoS

As to your criteria I’de say last week was a pretty good example of the Blackgate SEA guilds working together ;P

Between MERC, ND, Thai, Urge we managed to pull together and full cap all borderlands, not through coverage but via constant communication via our TS and our floating / stationary teams which allowed for a 500 ppt even against JQ’s stacked SEA. Ofc we’re paying for it this week with most our guilds being burnt out / tired and JQ being as ferocious as ever, but we worked together flawlessly to achieve the goal; beating JQ.

It’s pretty hilarious that you claim to have a 500 PPT while not having superior coverage/players at the time, just sayin.

Yes, because KnT an NA guild pulled an all nighter as did the AoI alliance they stayed up well past the Oceanic timezone and into the SEA to help us achieve this. This is the character of the BG community willing to push hard like this when requested of them.

Meanwhile JQ left FoO to fight us all alone, where was this epic surge of JQ might which they showed us on the weekend out numbering us on all maps and for the last 2 days on Friday? That to me shows a lack of commitment which JQ has “Oh 500 ppt” “Lets not log in to wvw it might be hard”.

On Friday morning (GMT+8) I started commanding at 10am and MERC was out in force by 11am and we pushed through till reset (8am). This was the reason we had 500 ppt in that timezone because both our NA and SEA come together to push as hard as we could, after I logged off Saturday I’de been commanding for 21 hours so that we keep the ppt 400+ all night.

JQers tend to forget, BG has superior ppt during Oceanic yes, but as soon as FoO and all your SEA hordes log on we are simply out numbered and cannot compete. We only competed last Friday because we managed to get a T3 keep or 2 across all maps which allowed us to maintain our footholds in the maps. We held SoR BL with 10 people, BG BL with 20 and had our main forces on JQ BL and EB.

I’de hope you guys would consider BG or Kaineng as your choices both tops servers.

This thread shouldn’t really be about MERC chest thumping. Please keep it AFS focused…

Churchill.8714:

I would be not be surprised if the saboteur was actually a player native to JQ.

It’s very unlikely. From what was said, he wasted a lot of gold and time doing this. You don’t spend your all your playing time and all the gold you’ve earned in the game doing this unless there are “other” reasons. Anyone who has a grudge against a player or guild would probably do it for maybe a few hours but not for the entire week. It also coincides with the trolls that have been spamming in lion arch recently. He appears to have other culprits helping him. It seems more like a “planned” sabotage.

SmokeyNYY.7841:

B Rad.5416:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

It is pretty obvious that when SoR’s NA primetime wants to play for PPT their is nothing either of you can do to stop us. I look at it more like Pavlovs dogs experiment in regards to classical conditioning. JQ has been conditioned to not attack SoR during NA primetime due to SoR completely destroying JQ if they try since JQ has very weak NA lately. This results in an effective 2v1 against BG that we have been seeing lately since BG has better NA primetime than JQ. It is actually a very smart move on both SoR and JQ’s part.

But the result is in other timezones SoR gets double teamed hard by both servers because we have literally no one on. It kind of works out in the end

JQ usually focuses BG because they want to knock BG down to T2. After they received all of those transfers we think it would be funny for them to go down. If JQ wanted to they could probably fight SoR pretty easily on NA prime time and not suffer a point loss.

So you guys would still be ticking around 175 for most of the duration of NA primetime If you fought SoR is what you are saying?

I think it was mentioned a few times already. BG and JQ view each other as the biggest threats. Last week, when SOR made that push earlier in the week and BG was in 3rd place, BG didn’t even care. They rested and made their push towards the end of the week. JQ tried to counter SOR’s push earlier in the week somewhat and probably didn’t have enough in the tank to counter BG’s push towards the end. So what you will see now is both servers eyeing each other and countering each other pushes throughout the week.

Hoots.9564:

Talentless.5708:

Does TW do anything other than post on forums and zerg with “TWL” and <insert fellow zerg-baller here>?

We took your borderland.

Has the goalpost shifted yet again? So now, which server takes the other server’s borderland is the better server? When will it be who leads during the weekend is the better server?

Hoots.9564:

Thanks for garrison JQ! Must be frustrating to have to redo waypoint in garrison so many times with the amount of coverage you guys have.

Last week shows that SOR will probably continue to do well during NA hours, and it’s due to BG and JQ focusing on each other rather than on SOR.

BG:
If there is a JQ tower and SOR tower, BG will most likely attack the JQ tower.

JQ:
If there is a BG tower and SOR tower, JQ will most likely attack the BG tower.

Most of the time, SOR doesn’t get focused on by 2 servers, so they get to roam and choose who they want to attack. At least that’s how I saw it especially on the borderland I was on. JQ attacks BG tower, SOR gets a free BG keep. BG attacks JQ tower, SOR takes JQ keep.

Zikory.6871:

jojojoon.8607:

fivekiller.1432:

So if SOR had won would we just assume it was someone from SOR doing all the trolling?

Stop jumping to conclusions people. Learn to science.

No one knows why that person is doing it and which server he/she is from. We can all make assumptions all we want. However, regardless which server he/she is from, the fact still remains, both BG and SOR benefited from it.

Sarcastically Maybe he/she was from JQ to cover the loss ehh?

Could be.. No one knows. He could have done it for revenge. And if so, he accomplished his goal of putting JQ at a disadvantage and allowed BG and SOR to reap the benefits.

fivekiller.1432:

So if SOR had won would we just assume it was someone from SOR doing all the trolling?

Stop jumping to conclusions people. Learn to science.

No one knows why that person is doing it and which server he/she is from. We can all make assumptions all we want. However, regardless which server he/she is from, the fact still remains, both BG and SOR benefited from it. You can jump to conclusions on why that player is doing it but there are no conclusions to jump to regarding the effect of it since it is a fact that JQ was at a disadvantage and the other servers benefited from it.

KhaosZen.1076:

walkinassasin.4275:

all this is doing is demoralizing people and making people honestly stop participating in wvw. cheating and exploiting is againt TOS and please do stop these actions so the people that actually enjoy this game can continue to enjoy it .and that goes for all sides lets try to have some fun this week .

Man we were victims of many exploits , cheats and “PACTS” between server that made us go to tier 2 ( i remember very well “sbi jq maybe” ? ) and we are still there, we were victims of many “spy” ty to the transfer system of Anet and we kicked them, Golems trollers and mesmer bug or exploit to garrison and we are still there!!!! now in tier 1 again with no cheating, no spy just we left the blood and our intelligence in the battle.
Just let me tell you something “no war is fair” ask to the German and russian ppl about General winter if its fair. Now ask to the rest of the Servers on WvW if its fair all the trolls all over the wvw doing the same thing that “maybe” its the first time happend to your server ( something strange since its a long time the game has been released ) or are you immune to this kind of thing and now “just now” that happened when BG is winning?

Sorry for the my bad english.

I think what many JQ players are saying is that this week is different from before. All servers have had griefers who waste supply or build useless siege. But this week, it was taken to the extreme. Before, you may have someone doing that for a few hours or maybe 1 day. But this week, that player(s) have been doing it not for hours but for days and to the point that the entire map was siege capped. If true that JQ has been sieged capped on a map since Tuesday, this is the first time I’ve heard that a server being siege capped for that long. Hours maybe but 3+ days?

I think there are 2 points that both BG and JQ need to understand.

JQ: Is it the main reason why JQ lost? No, it’s one of the reasons but not the main reason. BG wanted it more and worked harder than JQ this week.

BG: Did the griefer make 0 difference in the match? Absolutely not, having 0 supply and constantly being capped on multiple maps for days did handicap JQ.

Miiaah.5416:

So one person destroyed the morale of an entire server and beat them……….wowsers, I wonder what their glicko rating is this week. Arenanet should build a tribute page for this player who single handedly won WvW

The regular players would probably continue but the casuals might stay away. But I can’t blame them. If I’m on a server which cannot use siege while the other server can, I would be frustrated, especially in EB since it’s basically a siege (treb) war in there.

IomegadriveOne.5291:

Zidane.5297:

Jahn.7019:

Or someone who is adamant in adhering to the rules of the game. Quite frankly, I’m surprised more people aren’t outraged about this. Why play a game with rules and systems if they are just going to get thrown out the window.

What ever happened to honor on the battlefield.

I have seen quite a number of JQ players exploiting towers by wall jumping but you don’t see me crying about it because it is what it is.

The fact is, PRX was more of a factor than JQ gave them credit for and you guys burned out. You don’t lose a 24k lead all to one troll siege building all day.

You pushed as hard as you can and BG pushed harder, nothing more, nothing less.

^This

Seriously, we had numerous reports 2 weeks ago of members from PRX on JQ, using a mesmer exploit to go into keeps and drop portals for people to go in. That is why over night JQ magically took the numerous keeps we had in about 30 min. Did anyone else hear the crickets from JQ’s side? No attempt to find out who was doing it, no mentioning of it in later posts, and just overall ignorance about the people doing it from your own server. Blackgate gets 1 troll, and JQ starts going nuts with accusations and overall disrespect, while Blackgate actually had the nerve to (gasp!) find the people that were doing it and get them kicked from their guild and report them! Bravo! Our first win would have been 2 weeks ago, and this win is not a tainted win because at least we found the person causing the issue, JQ didn’t.’

On another note, how can 1 keep cause an entire map to go blue? Can someone explain this to me? I see people saying there is only a few people doing this. How is this stopping people again?

From what was said here a little awhile ago (before the posts were deleted), the entire map was sieged capped for days. You cannot build siege to attack or defend. If a tower needs arrowcarts, catapults, trebs, ballistas, etc to defend, you cannot build it. So yes, that griefer did handicap JQ tremendously and contributed to a map turning a different color.

Secondly, a lot of the posts had players saying they were frustrated and not having fun in wvw the last few days since they couldn’t do the things they normally could do in wvw like building siege to attack and defend. Many stayed away from wvw to avoid the frustration which means means less people in wvw for JQ.

Third, from the screenshots posted, it seems like JQ found the player(s) doing it. Many said they reported that player(s). Now, it’s up to Anet to ban him/them.

Posts in the NA Tier 1 thread discussing this were deleted. JQ was handicapped on multiple maps for days with griefers wasting supply, destroying golems, turning siege opposite direction, capping the siege limit, etc. The moderator who deleted the posts said that discussion of “cheating” is not allowed. From this, I think some in Anet do view this type of behavior as a violation of the rules of conduct. If not, why label it as “cheating.”

I think Anet has to step in. If not, servers will start to retaliate and this type of behavior will be part of the “meta.” And soon, you will see which server who can waste supply the best on the opposing server winning the weekly matches.

BrockMcCleery.9562:

jojojoon.8607:

Zen.8497:

Miiaah.5416

“I really don’t have culling issues with my new iMac, even on high settings large fights are much better but then again I like staying in smaller groups like 15-20 on our side”

It is common knowledge that culling issues are on the server side and not on the client side. It is already announced to be fixed in the new patch.
I always go by if you tell the truth you don’t have to remember anything.

False, culling is also a client issue while skill lag is a server issue. About 7 or 8 posts down in the thread below, an Anet developer says the exact opposite of what you’re saying. I guess if you lie or post something false enough times, people will believe it.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Decrease-lag/first#post1665152

Here’s is a quote from a dev explaining that it is also a client issue.

In order to cut down on the network resources that were used by the game and to reduce the client-side system requirements, we implemented a culling system, which imposed a limit on the number of characters that could ever be reported to your client. This meant that only the characters closest to you would actually get reported.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/world-vs-worldthe-end-of-culling/

lol. They culled “SERVER SIDE” because their network couldn’t handle all the packets that SHOULD HAVE been sent.

They made client modifications for slower machines so when culling is turned off, they won’t suffer client side lag.

CULLING = server side
RENDERING = client side (changes will allow one to choose how much or how little your client will render, which you will base on your machine’s speed)

At least skill lag you got right, it is server side. Though it seems to be caused by a bottleneck in the network’s ability to receive information.

It seems that they didn’t think through how much information they need to send and receive in large scale WvW when combined with near full servers. A network can only send and receive so much data per second and I think they are capped out. This means that they need to change game mechanics in order to actually fix lag or culling, or both (need to reduce the amount of packet updates sent and received, by, for instance, increasing pulse times of some AOE abilities. Some pulse every second, if they up em to 3 seconds (increasing damage or heals, etc.) then you get less information that needs to be sent and received).

I suspect the upcoming patch will either change game mechanics, they bought more bandwidth or we will have to live with skill lag.

I guess i’m interpreting it a little differently. From that link, it seems that they culled because they want to reduce network resources and also reduce client-side requirements (such as old processor, crappy video cards, bad internet connections, etc).

Asglarek.8976:

jojojoon.8607:

Zen.8497:

Miiaah.5416

“I really don’t have culling issues with my new iMac, even on high settings large fights are much better but then again I like staying in smaller groups like 15-20 on our side”

It is common knowledge that culling issues are on the server side and not on the client side. It is already announced to be fixed in the new patch.
I always go by if you tell the truth you don’t have to remember anything.

False, culling is also client issue while skill lag is a server issue. About 7 or 8 posts down in the thread below, an Anet developer says the exact opposite of what you’re saying. I guess if you lie or post something false enough times, people will believe it.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Decrease-lag/first#post1665152

Do you even know what culling is? If its client side why are they disabling in their game engine you know ON THEIR FREAKING SERVER!

In order to cut down on the network resources that were used by the game and to reduce the client-side system requirements, we implemented a culling system, which imposed a limit on the number of characters that could ever be reported to your client. This meant that only the characters closest to you would actually get reported.

Cant get any clearer than that.

Culling was added to “cut down on network resources” AND “reduce client-side system requirements.” Newer PCs with good processor and video cards will render a higher number of characters faster. Do you really expect an old PC with a crappy video card to be able to render 100+ characters smoothly?

Zen.8497:

Miiaah.5416

“I really don’t have culling issues with my new iMac, even on high settings large fights are much better but then again I like staying in smaller groups like 15-20 on our side”

It is common knowledge that culling issues are on the server side and not on the client side. It is already announced to be fixed in the new patch.
I always go by if you tell the truth you don’t have to remember anything.

False, culling is also a client issue while skill lag is a server issue. About 7 or 8 posts down in the thread below, an Anet developer says the exact opposite of what you’re saying. I guess if you lie or post something false enough times, people will believe it.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Decrease-lag/first#post1665152

Here’s is a quote from a dev explaining that it is also a client issue.

In order to cut down on the network resources that were used by the game and to reduce the client-side system requirements, we implemented a culling system, which imposed a limit on the number of characters that could ever be reported to your client. This meant that only the characters closest to you would actually get reported.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/world-vs-worldthe-end-of-culling/

Kript.3291:

Zen.8497:

Miiaah.5416
“as we were entering the commander says something about SoR having a stronger NA”. That right there is the truth, simple and concise.

Some people want the truth so badly but after it has been presented to them they deem it unacceptable. In the end, they create their own version of the truth which is more acceptable to their perception. They deny the truth, worship the opposite…

I agree with you in a general sense that, in terms of skills, coordination, organization, and the determination to win, SoR does have the one of the best NA prime time crews in T1.

Right now the weakest one in T1 is JQ, although you can still hear people bragging about JQ is the NO.1 server, but if you actually analyses their ppt on various time-slots, JQ’s wvw performance is actually getting worse week by week.

And i think i know why. JQ is your typical bandwagon server, most of the PvE folks have no idea how tough it is to secure the lead or winning a battle. No matter how strong you wvw guild is, you need the support from those ‘common folks’(non-hardcore wvw players), and the issue for JQ is that right now, its ‘common folks’ are still living in the delusion that JQ can have easy win for very week and the other two servers are somewhat inferior than JQ.

I have seen it plenty of times when i guest on Jade Quarry, someone would come to LA and tries to rally people for wvw, and the majority of them just don’t give a kitten

“Nah don’t worry, BG(or SoR, depends on who is beating JQ), they can’t win…we have 12k lead, and we have FOO, and Choo sucks.”

“SOR WINNING? LOL KEEP DREAMING!”

“LOL BG PAID SOS GUILDS TO TRANSFER SO THEY CAN BEAT US HOW PATHETIC!”

These are attitudes shared by the ‘common folks’ of JQ.

They are basically a bunch of lazy leechers that sit there and enjoy the world bonuses without supporting the server’s wvw. This, and other factors, such as clueless commanders (lol@ the JQ commander on EB a few hours ago, stop running around like a headless chicken and lead your troops, we BG had great joy farming them), are the reason why JQ is failing during NA prime time. Of course, some JQQers would tell you that “JQ does not have a NA prime time population”, that’s a pathetic excuse.

JQ, you do have a decent NA prime time wvw population, it’s just that your NA prime time wvw crews suck, and the majority of the pve folks don’t queue for wvw when they are failing.

BTW, last night, even during the FOO prime time, JQ’s savior guild was unable to handle BG at all. It was fun wiping the “MIGHTY FOO” so many times at Bay and Hills. Brace yourself, JQ’s general wvw force is in decline.

You’re from SOR guesting on JQ and spamming in lion arch with hateful messages. The other spy thread that got deleted was mentioned you. Why do you say you’re from BG when you’re from SOR spying on JQ?

covenn.7165:

Unfortunately you are confused about what respect is.

Do you think it is respectful to make an agreement and commitment to someone, then wait until the very last second to cancel on them? This did not just happen once, it happened three times. When you do something like this, you are undeniably showing a complete and total lack of respect for other people and their time.

I know first hand that TW had people rearranging lives and schedules outside of the game so they could be there for the fight, only to show up at the scheduled time to find out that EMP cancelled yet again. That is the absolute epitome of disrespect, because time is a limited resource for many people.

This is why I find people complaining about the disrespect aimed towards EMP so amusing. Seriously, what world do you people live in where breaking commitments and wasting people’s time is acceptable and respectful behavior?

If you followed what was said in the forums instead of too busy doing your chest thumping, you would see the reasons why they had to cancel. They mentioned that some of the members of their server requested that they did not do GvG at that time. The last match, TW was like 30min to 1 hour late for the match if I recall, and they had to cancel it.

But regardless of these reasons, you guys never really gave any respect to EMP in the first place. On the forum, there was mentioned of TW members harrassing EMP members through in-game whispers. TW members trolling and trashing EMP on the forums. This is all BEFORE any GvG matches were even scheduled. When RawNoodles listed the guilds for GvG, he didn’t even list TW as one of the guilds due to the hostility and trolling they have shown in the past. Again, this is all BEFORE any GvG matches were even scheduled. So, your claim of TW showing “zero disrespect directed towards EMP until they disrespected TW first” is false.

Now, if you want further proof of your claim being false. Here is another chest thumping post from your members calling out every guild on most of the NA servers who have not GvG TW yet, essentially labeling them as chickens and scared to fight TW. Would you consider this showing “zero disrespect directed towards [any guild] until they disrespect TW first?” Guilds who have not even fought TW yet, and TW is already disrespecting them.

As tw not doing gvg against anyone else I have to say I think thats more or less people being afraid of them. I see them offering to set up GvGs all the time but no one seems to take them up on the offer.

Fixeon.5076:

EMP canceled on TW 3 times after agreeing to a time and date. Respect is earned not given and I see no reason for TW to respect a guild that cant keep it’s word. I am sure win or lose TW would be just as respectful as any other guild here. It’s not like if they lose they are going to cry about how they cheated and had more people than them. Or complain that spectators helped… GvG is about guild pride just as much as it is about anything else. And if you can’t accept that if you lose the other team is going to celebrate then you shouldn’t be playing the game. This isn’t pee-wee soccer… not everyone is a winner.

Let me quote part of your previous post again, since with your chest thumping, you failed to understand what I mean by giving respect.

As tw not doing gvg against anyone else I have to say I think thats more or less people being afraid of them. I see them offering to set up GvGs all the time but no one seems to take them up on the offer.

Notice that from this quote, it’s not even about EMP. You have trashed every guild from almost all NA servers who have not fought with TW in a GvG by calling them out and essentially saying that they’re scared and chickening out in a fight with TW. Do you even know for a fact that’s the reason? No, you don’t. It’s uncalled for. It’s being disrespectful to other guilds. Now, do you understand why I said if you want respect, you need to give respect.

Think about it. If I’m a guild leader and Emp goes up to me “hey, I would like a good GvG matchup with you guys” and then you have TW going up to me “hey, I heard you guys are a bunch of chickens and are afraid of us. If not, prove it.” Who do you think I would accept a match with? Which guild do you think I would respect more?

Fixeon.5076:

Anyone else find it funny that EMP claim 1 thing and do another? I mean they claim the score is too close so they don’t fight TW. Yet they fight Agg when the score is much closer now that it has been since BG got here.They claim they don’t want to gvg TW because gvg is not about chest thumping. And then they brag about their gvg record. They claim TW doesn’t give proper respect but they use the videos of their GvGs are recruitment adds. LoL…. I honestly am losing more and more respect for EMP every time they come up with another excuse. Just fight them and get it over with.

As tw not doing gvg against anyone else I have to say I think thats more or less people being afraid of them. I see them offering to set up GvGs all the time but no one seems to take them up on the offer.

At least from what I can tell from the forum, guilds from other servers who have fought EMP have either given them compliments or said they’ve had no issues with the GvG. I have only seen issues arising when they have scheduled or fought guilds from SOR. And seeing the amount of chest thumping posts on the forum from SOR, I may understand why RawNoodles thinks SOR has created a hostile environment in wvw.

About 6 or 7 posts down is a response from Votf who was in SOS when they fought Emp. He pretty much said they had no issues with the GvG vs EMP. JQ and SOS were bitter rivals back then but they were able to do GvG in a respectful manner. Remember, to get respect, you need to give respect.

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/80025-tier-1-gvg-emptsym-hb-votf/page__st__90

Kript.3291:

I really hope more asian/oceanic guilds will consider transferring to SoR, the wvw crews on this server are some of the best in T1, in terms of skills and tactics.

Can you define what you mean by skills and tactics? I think I have mentioned multiple times before and even SOR players and commanders have made posts on the forum agreeing with me, SOR does not or seldom use tactics and strategies in wvw. Many times SOR would choose to attack a fortified keep over a keep with no defenders because it is closest to them. Many times they would sit in a tower to defend while losing everything else on the map. Ignoring a gate in a keep with no arrow carts and choosing a gate with tons of arrow carts and brute forcing the gate down with pure zerg numbers instead of using siege is a sign that the server does not use tactics and strategy to take over a holding on the map.

BG has been asking SOR to reduce their 60+ zerg balls and is being met with a lot of resistance from SOR. I do no understand how SOR can say they are winning with skills in battles when you literally CANNOT use your skills in the battles. Seriously, these large zerg ball fights go like this:

You spam attack since you do not see who is attacking you and who you are attacking. There is a 30 second skill lag that makes it impossible to know if your skill attack is actually working, so all you do is close your eyes, rotate your skill attacks, and cross your fingers and hope that they are working.

So, I ask again, based on the description of the battle above in large zerg ball fights that SOR insists on, how can anyone measure skills in the battles? Who spam attacks the fastest is best skilled? The largest zerg ball is the most skilled?

Did desolation improve a lot since beta? I actually started on desolation at the beginning and had to transfer to NA since no one was on when I needed to group events during my play hours. My experience in wvw on deso was quite bad. It was essentially just a zerg train capping things with no organization and strategy. Not sure if things improved since the time I was on deso.

The fights are pretty laggy in NA tier 1. Many guilds in JQ and BG like SF, HB, Knt, etc are trying to split up into smaller groups of around 20 to 30 to reduce the lag in battles. However, guilds from SOR refuse to do this and still insist on running in large 60+ zerg balls since massive numbers in zerg balls tend to win in open field battles.

The lag whenever clashing with a zerg ball from SOR is unplayable. Not only is culling bad in that you won’t be able to see who you’re attacking or who is attacking you, but the lag skill lasts for 30 seconds or more. If you run any type of build that relies on player skills to dodge or time your attacks to counter, you will be dead in seconds and you won’t know what happened.

Leo Paul.1659:

Noctis.1298:

jojojoon.8607:

Shinji.2063:

Smokee.1754:

Even before this weeks match started, we on Blackgate said that we expected JQ to win with 50-70K points this week. It has nothing to do with BG getting burned out, but us returning to our normal schedules instead of pulling out double shifts.

Ya, dont want BG to turn into SOS burning themselves out trying to fight a bloated JQ. You can only fight JQ’s coverage for so many weeks before it gets to you. Its amazing what BQ did last week vs jq numbers but doing that every week can tear a server apart

With the recent guild transfers to BG, coverage-wise (as in around the clock coverage), my opinion is that BG is better than JQ. JQ has 2 time zones that their coverage are excellent – NA and SEA. JQ is rather weak or average in oceanic and euro time zone. BG, on the other hand, has above average or excellent coverage in NA, oceanic, SEA, and euro.

Agg, foe, atac, etc solidifies their already above average NA coverage. Merc, probably the biggest oceanic guild, with 500 members, was a huge boost to their oceanic coverage. And I dare say, they might have the best oceanic out of all NA servers (if not 1st then maybe 2nd to SOS). ND was a good addition to their SEA coverage. Without RG and votf (heard they went back to EU server), HB which is now the best euro guild in NA server controls the euro time zone.

Leo Paul.1659 doesn’t think so , he said BG still lacking coverage

You’d be surprised how much outmanned buffs we get on most of the borderlands. I’ve actually asked my guildmates about it, how they are able to get as much points as they have and take towers despite having the seemingly lack of people.

If BG is outmanned in NA time zone on all maps, the question should not be about coverage but why Agg, foe, atac, knt, etc are not in wvw fighting. Like I said earlier, around the coverage-wise, BG has guilds (not PUGs) to fill the maps.

Shinji.2063:

Smokee.1754:

Even before this weeks match started, we on Blackgate said that we expected JQ to win with 50-70K points this week. It has nothing to do with BG getting burned out, but us returning to our normal schedules instead of pulling out double shifts.

Ya, dont want BG to turn into SOS burning themselves out trying to fight a bloated JQ. You can only fight JQ’s coverage for so many weeks before it gets to you. Its amazing what BQ did last week vs jq numbers but doing that every week can tear a server apart

With the recent guild transfers to BG, coverage-wise (as in around the clock coverage), my opinion is that BG is better than JQ. JQ has 2 time zones that their coverage are excellent – NA and SEA. JQ is rather weak or average in oceanic and euro time zone. BG, on the other hand, has above average or excellent coverage in NA, oceanic, SEA, and euro.

Agg, foe, atac, etc solidify their already above average NA coverage. Merc, probably the biggest oceanic guild, with 500 members, is a huge boost to their oceanic coverage. And I dare say, they might have the best oceanic out of all NA servers (if not 1st then maybe 2nd to SOS). ND was a good addition to their SEA coverage. Without RG and votf (heard they went back to EU server), HB, which is now the best euro guild in NA server, controls the euro time zone.

Zidane.5297:

Mohmohchan.4120:

Willywho.9460:

No one is going to Kaineg…. there all the rumors are put to rest.

Nope. It’s a good source. But hey, there still more time to think about it. They could change their mind.

You sound like Clementine from PRX starting these rumors.

Mohmohchan is from SOR. Not sure how SOR would benefit from starting this rumor. I think he just heard his friends from Kaineng talking about it so no need to bash him.