It usually happens when anet tweaks the server the queue or map capacity..
Deja vu all over again.. Didn’t we hear the exact same thing weeks before Season 1 started? BG is the weakest T1 server and about to fall to T2… BG is the underdog going into season… Every server outnumbers BG on every time zone… BG desperately needs guild transfers for every time zone to patch up their glaring coverage gaps…
Then, when Season 1 started, BG dominated every matchup up with 0 coverage gaps. And then went on to dominate post-season and managed to win 14+ straight weeks. That’s about 3 months of domination…
But yeah, BG is the weakest T1 server…………………………………….until Season 2…
Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
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SoR died before EotM, stop blaming things for the sake of blaming.
Are we going to blame LA rescue for SoR dying as well?
Point taken. Still, look at the SoR commanders post just above. Nothing but stress. “sustain the coverage to remain competitive” “split mainly between the hardcore players and the non-hardcore players. It has since been resolved mainly by the guilds leaving” “population’s recruiting pool has became very poor” “very large amount of numbers, time, and energy required to maintain hardcore competitiveness” “unsustainable” an on and on.
The WvW meta has one 15 minute break once a week. The rest of the time the game and scoring are on. I’ve never seen anything like it. Granted I do have only played a handful of games, but hardcore raiding was never like this. This simply burns people out. I’ve never seen so much rage quitting. Players quitting guilds. Guilds splitting or collapsing. Guilds quitting servers. Just for the sake of the score. We have to get the score. We have to be top scorer. Never mind that fights and the fun don’t change regardless of the score. It’s simply crazy how people buy into all this.
The problem is that the metric was asinine from the launch, but many fell for it because on the surface that is what it seems like WvW is “about”…It is compounded that the world is full of sheep (ever seen a tagged up karma train?), therefore people are/have/will run themselves ragged over chasing PPT which is (once again) still an asinine metric; without ever coming to the realization that PPT chasing only leads to heartbreak in the end.
I feel sad for the people that have played since launch and still think that PPT matters, or not that it matters, that it is relevant to anything remotely tied to their individual play or efforts.
Keep staying up til 4am to upgrade garri, keep calling into work, keep missing class, next week the cycle will start all over and you can do it all again. Then leagues will come and then it will “matter even more”….The sooner people come to the realization of the situation then we as players can hopefully start to change the landscape…Because God knows ANET seems to be helpless to do anything about it.
This attitude towards PPT is one of the main reasons why SOR imploded since it only accepts one type of play style in wvw. If it continues, the only people left on the server doing wvw are only the hardcore wvw players who plays for fights only.
I know people who likes to play wvw strategically like a chess match and playing for PPT allows this. They try to predict enemy movements and come up with counter moves. I also know some that plays wvw like sims/civilization where they try to “maintain” their homeland, and that involves upgrading structures, running yaks and making sure all structures get supplies. To these people, playing the way they think is fun indirectly affects ppt.
Here’s a more detailed summary coming from another SOR player’s perspective that I found on another forum:
What happened to SoR? A multitude of things. Some I personally noticed -
1) The pvx community was treated like kitten. I can remember when someone would pop into LA announce in map chat that garri needed defending and within seconds the map would be quedued because so many people answered the call for help. Had trouble getting upgrades because people were killing your yaks? Ask for help in LA and you’d get plenty of volunteers. I went on hiatus for several months and came back only to discover that had changed. Those same players who came in to help were labeled scrubs and rallybots and all the rest of it. They were berated and screamed at about playing classes that the hardcore wvwers didn’t approve of, playing on an uplevel or just not being on the tag in the midst of the blob. So they stopped coming to help. Who can blame them?
2) The majority of the sor wvw guilds decided they were going to focus on fights. Meaning we’d chase swords all over the map instead of tending to the actual objectives that win the game. You can not win wvw by winning fights. That’s not how anet has developed the game. Sure you need to win fights to defend and take objectives but if you’re only fighting and not doing the rest you can’t compete very well. Like I’ve said before gvg != wvw. If a guild is wvw focused they should work on primarily on learning wvw skills. If they are gvg focused then they should be working on gvg skills.
3) Inability to get fresh blood into the wvw scene. You’d think being in t1 would be a draw for wvw players and guilds but it was not. Personal opinion is that reason 1 (pvx community treated like kitten) above was a big part of why sor couldn’t attract people into wvw. No one wants to play with a bunch of people acting like assbags towards them.
4) The decision to tank to t2. Don’t know who thought this was a good idea but someone did and for whatever reason enough people with respected opinions agreed. The general wvw player population heard this, all the guilds heard this and the general reaction was “kitten you, and who do you think you are to decide we’re going to tank?” and people started leaving and not giving a crap. Then to make it even better that “tank to t2 and rebuild” decision was reversed however by then it was to late.
5) Getting wrecked in t2. Final nail in the coffin was how badly sor got wrecked in our first week on t2. It was a real eye opener for a lot of us. Not only were we not winning ppt (I really think we forgot how to play in a way that wins wvw matches) but we were getting destroyed in the open field fights. At that point most of us reached the conclusion that the wvw glory days of sor were a thing of the past. And many of us left. Hopefully we don’t take the caustic attitude that was developed on sor with us to our new homes.
As an outside observer, watching what happened to SoR during Seasons and the subsequent ramifications of what happened to them following on from Seasons. In short the answer is NO.
Seasons did more harm than good.
Imo, rather than seasons itself that caused the implosion of SOR, the main cause lies with the “elitism” attitude that a portion of their guilds had by unwilling to accept other types of play styles and neglecting the pve population during seasons. Not only were these inexperienced wvw players not offered help, they were also mocked and ridiculed. Servers that extended their hands out to help the pve players benefited and saw their wvw population grew.
A division was created on SOR during season by the elitism attitude, and leadership compounded the problem by forcing the entire server to tank which led to the implosion.
Having played on BG in pretty much every timezone for the last couple of weeks, I assure you its every timezone.
BG is outnumbered in EVERY timezone now…… this thread is going nowhere fast.
Same trick was used in season 1. As predicted, things are falling in place…
1) Intentionally tanking before season starts to make it seem like they’re the underdogs.
2) Run propaganda on forums to make sure everyone knows they’re outmanned by every server on every time zone to help with recruitment (still couldn’t believe BG claimed to be outnumbered by SOR in EU even after SOR lost their first batch of guilds).
2) Hope that some gullible guild (cough… zds…cough) gets tricked into transferring over.
Level cap increase will probably be in expansion.
TW 16, Choo 9 and lol-who-is-that guilds are littered the top. What kind of survey is this?
My guess is that many people think TW and Choo were trying to hide in ETOM and then intentionally tanked to a lower tier to find easier fights. That probably lowered their rankings when people were voting.
Well, in sports, there’s always a favorite to win the entire tournament. For example, in football, the year the patriots was undefeated in the regular season, they should have won the superbowl that year but was upset by the giants. BG is the odds on favorite to win this tournament. The difference is that in sports there’s a higher chance for an upset, while in wvw, it’s unlikely the favorite will be upset unless there’s a prolong 2v1 occurring or of other unusual circumstances like intentionally tanking or holidays.
The fights have been large scale, and epic. Now, go back to your drawing board and come up with a sound argument that works.
Argument still works and is more than valid: By your own admission SoR can’t hang with the PVdoor/ppt of JQ/BG, instead of “looking for fights” in T1 (IE: your blob can’t blob their blob), you chose to blob up and Float team blob. Still not satisfied with the PPT outlook, you blobbed up once again and went to EoTM and found blobby epic scale blob fights.
Also, related: When people make comments about SoR in EoTM, it is because we recognize the zerg/guild tags friend….It is not just random shots at a particular server…
Now go back to the delusional drawing board friend.
I have a feeling that your definition of “blob” is different than everyone else in T1. 30-40 is NOT a blob to any of SoR’s guilds, which is likely where your rage is coming from. 30-40 is actually a pretty small group in T1.
I’ve been in fights where all sides have had pretty large groups. Attributing all the “blobs” to a few SoR guilds is rather shortsighted on your part.
30-40 might not be a map zerg…But I think most people would consider 30-40 a blob son.
what are you talking about. SOR guilds only run 15 people max.
Loooool. We are just looking for fights. Not our fault if the cannon fodder follows us.
I agree, people need to stop following SOR. SOR got rid of all of the pve pugs from their own server already. They don’t need more PVE pugs in full zerker gear from other servers following. These pugs are just rally bots for the opponents. They need to play a few more years to get to the level of a SOR player.
The spying stuff is interesting also since I remember seeing a thread earlier today which got removed by a mod about a BG spy destroying golems on JQ and this thread a few weeks ago about spies building trebs to waste supply.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/WvW-Trolls/first
BG clearly needs better security on their Website. BG caught with their pants down talking about spying on JQ. They deliberately want to take this week off, so that JQ gets bored capping nothing.
This at least confirms my suspicion of BG intentionally tanking – at least for this week at least. We will see if this tanking will continue on the following weeks leading up to Season 2.
Doesn’t it seem like deja vu all over again? Before season 1 started, BG tanked the score weeks prior to the start of the season. When season officially started, everyone played normal again and they roflstomped all servers for like 12+ straight weeks. EOTM map is out so that fixes the the #1 complaint of season 1 which is super long queues. Anticipating season 2 approaching, I think BG has turned on the tank mode switch to help with recruiting.
We will see who gets tricked again this season. ZD was made fools during season 1. According to the ZD leader, HB and the the reset of BG’s EU were getting farmed by pugs on a daily basis weeks prior to season 1, and that was why ZD considered joining BG. But after they joined BG, other than IRON, they had no guilds to fight in EU. lol.. I had to chuckle a bit when I read that…
feel bad for SoR. hope you guys rebound soon.
Feel bad for them why? There might be a few people left who want to be in tier 1, but you have no idea at all how long we’ve beat our heads against coverage. Not to mention the lack of small groups, solo roaming and gvgs. T1 is about who zergs hardest the most, period.
If TC or SoS wants a go, they’re welcome to it. Personally I look forward to fighting SoR, they’re my kind of gamers allies OR opponents.
I have to disagree with your post somewhat. In a way, you are implying that SOR doesn’t want to be part of T1 because of the zerg fest. SOR has always been known to be the the blobbiest of the T1 servers and they have admitted to this. Map blobbing is the best way to win fights and SOR has a tendency to map blob at every chance they get. Breaking up into smaller groups to take multiple objectives at the same time is the best way to play the ppt game, and both JQ and BG have done this to an extent. SOR, on the other hand, has never done this. Instead, they have always try to out zerg the other 2 servers to try to win the fights.
After the EOTM patch, I keep getting disconnected from wvw. Yesterday, I was kicked off of wvw at least 3 times. It’s not my connection since my internet would work fine. Once kicked out, I would be back at the pve area. Many people are posting in map chat having the exact same issues as I am which leads me to think it’s a wvw server issue.
Also, trying to join wvw, sometimes it would say the map is not available. The error is similar to joining when the servers are getting reset on Friday. It would go away after a few minutes.
Out of JQ/BG/SoR, I can tell you now it’s not SoR. SoR is 100% pure NA.
It’s not uncommon to be outnumbered on ALL 4 BLs during SoR EU time.
Quite frequently 3 of us will rally to defend our garrison/keep and get rolled by 40 people.
I think everyone who can think properly will know that it cannot be SOR with the best coverage in EU time due to the exodus of guilds the past few weeks. However, BG is still claiming that SOR outnumbers them in EU time just to make BG seem like the underdogs. It’s these types of ridiculous posts promoting blatant propaganda for Season 2 recruitment that derails the thread. Because after these posts, you see others jump in with sarcastic posts just to make fun of BG.
BG had ppt leading 2 times during EU last week out of 7 days. Hardly makes for a EU dominance.
Don’t listen to this guy or any BG member for that matter. They still feel their the underdog despite massively outnumbering the other two servers in population.
BG has lead Euro every day this week. Throw out last week because as the BG players stated themselves they were focusing on PvE killing wurm and you have…..
So anyway, last week aside BG has had the lead during euro 10 of the last 10 weeks. I do believe that is a perfect score and would be consider dominance in that time zone.
Don’t listen to the guy that is an integral part of the BG war council, who runs probably one of the most disciplined guilds on the server, the arguably best EU force on any NA server, the guy whose guild has single handedly put in 10 to 12 hour+ playing shifts almost every day this week, coming up against map blobs on every BL and not shying away from any fight.
Yes, don’t listen to the guy whose guild have smashed the JQ karma training pvd blobs all week in EU, definitely not, don’t listen to him, hasn’t a clue what he’s talking about at all…That JQ karma pve train in WvW must be pretty upset this week that BG’s EU guild came out in force to smash them, and not a tag to be seen anywhere really for your tag watchers to avoid. Keep on making alt guilds to hide yourselves away in JQ, trying to save face every time your blob runs away from an average group of 15 from BG.
What the kitten are you even talking about?
You posted stats to back up your point and he’s backing up his point by saying Smokee is in BG. This is the “stats may lie but BG never lies” argument that’s been used around here by BG.
Note: BG is still waiting for owner of MOS to come back from vacation so he can fix the website.
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BG has the most EU coverage. They have several guilds that raid during this timezone.
That is just simply not true.
BG has two EU guilds, RK which is very small and only seem to run a couple hours every so often and HB, who are a pretty great guild but small-ish in numbers and extending themselves into NA TZ a lot (correct me if I’m wrong Smokee). There’s also an old small guild called BAM with a few EU members.JQ on the other hand actually have numerous EU based guilds (and continually recruiting/buying more from EU servers, why I don’t know) along with their SEA groups running late into early EU and their NA running early into late EU – which more or less gives them complete dominance a lot of the time in EU TZ and they blob around a lot during EU.
SoR is a dead server, a lot of their guilds have left for other lower tiers NA, moved back to EU or joined JQ. What’s left on SoR still blobs in EU, mostly ball up and wait for fights where they vastly outnumber opponents – if they’re equally matched or they don’t vastly outnumber, they way point out and float to another BL or go stomp all over the few pugs running in EB.So there is actually no real EU coverage on NA servers any more, other than like I said above, that’s about it. Anyone tells you different, they’re lying.
Oh and soon as any EU guild does decide to transfer to BG to help them out trying to deal with massive PVD blobs from JQ and SoR, what usually happens is that JQ and SoR will stop fighting and just take a break during EU TZ then complain a lot on forums about BG being stacked.
Even though as I’ve said, there is barely even a slight EU presence on BG any more and BG are always up against massive blobs from JQ mostly during EU TZ.The only way to sort this out is if numerous decent WvW EU guilds transfer to multiple NA servers, so everyone has decent competition from actual EU based guilds on a regular basis.
I’d suggest BG, TC and SoS rather than Sor and JQ, SoR is dead and JQ have more than enough EU coverage with all their pve’ers karma training all the time.The other alternative, is what you don’t want anyway, and that is to move back to EU but outside of EU prime, every single EU server is dead in WvW, apart from some French Canadians playing on the French servers and going around PVD’ing the whole night + a handful of night cappers on a few other EU servers.
Merge them as one tbh, don’t see why not. Would at least spice things up a little and the lag is a non issue, sure our EU match-up this week (Gunnars/Jade Sea/Deso) is hosted on Yak’s Bend, an NA server.
More propaganda… Let’s break down the obvious propaganda in this post..
1) JQ outnumbers BG during EU time because JQ has numerous wvw dedicated EU guilds and BG has only 3 wvw EU guilds (HB, RK, BAM).
If this is true, can anyone name 1 JQ wvw dedicated EU guild that raids on a daily basis with more than 30+ players? Heck, even the size of HB which is around 20-25+ players. Don’t try too hard because this is a trick question. You can’t name one. The claim that JQ outnumbers BG during EU time because JQ has numerous wvw dedicated EU guilds is simply not true.
2) JQ outnumbers BG because players are putting in overtime and playing past their normal time zone windows.
Should we believe that JQ is the only server with players playing out of their time zones and BG has 0 players doing this? It appears that this method has been used multiple times by BG to inflate the numbers of other servers. If we go by what BG says, you would think that other servers never sleep. BG has said previously that JQ outnumbers BG during OCX because JQ SEA logs in early and JQ NA stays up in late. And now, BG claims JQ outnumbers BG during EU because JQ SEA stays late and JQ NA logs in early. Are JQ players robots because according to BG, they practically play GW2 the entire day.
3) SOR is a dead server with guilds leaving left and right, including guilds in EU time zone moving back to EU, and yet they outblob and outnumber BG in EU time? Does that actually make sense? A dead server outnumbering the only server in NA with full status during the dead server’s off peak hour?
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BG has the most EU coverage. They have several guilds that raid during this timezone. They also complain that there is nobody to fight. And that it will be difficult to get onto BG at present because they are always full. So a reasonable alternative would be JQ. They have some guilds that raid in EU. They regularly outscore their opponents in the timezone despite having less guilds in the EU timeslots than BG. Prior to leagues SOR had the biggest EU coverage, however, since their semi collapse they experienced alot of EU players leave. SOR still has the strongest NA (albeit inconsistent at times) and it is East coast based so its more common to see NA players logged on during EU timezone so SOR is still an option but moving to SOR with their implosion is still a bit of a worrying move because nobody knows how much more they will lose.
JQ doesn’t regularly outscore anyone in EU this was what happened for one week it does not make it true as illustrated by the fact BG still ticked 300+ most of last week when it got to mid EU prime. If your looking for an EU guild/crew to run with you could try JQ or SoR both have a small EU guild or two out there.
BG had ppt leading 2 times during EU last week out of 7 days. Hardly makes for a EU dominance.
The EOTM map is getting released tomorrow which means that Season 2 should be starting soon. The biggest complaint of Season 1 was the horrible queue times and the EOTM map which serves as an overflow map for people waiting in queue should alleviate this issue.
With that said, since Season 2 is approaching and BG anticipating this, it looks like BG is starting their pre-season “We are underdogs” campaign. This was exactly what happened last year. Before pre-season started, BG would intentionally tank a few matches and then start the “We are underdogs” or “We are the weakest T1 server” propaganda on the forums to help with recruitment. Once season started, BG would play normally again and roflstomped all servers during Season 1 and weeks after the season with 24/7 coverage that has not been seen before since the old HOD days. Not even JQ and SOS during their winning streak could boast of having 0 coverage weakness.
Both JQ and SOR servers and the ZD guild were fooled during Season 1, so I doubt they would be fooled this time around. Anyone who still believes the “BG are underdogs” nonsense going into Season 2, please give my friend Chuck Norris a call because he has some excellent land to sell you in the Atlantic Ocean.
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You guys have to understand that understating numbers and tanking intentionally to manipulate the scores are forms of propaganda that will help with recruitment. How do think BG was able to recruit ZDs for season 1 when BG has by far the strongest EU on NA servers.
Season 2 is approaching and BG has already recruited a few new EU guilds to replace ZD.
From what I read, I actually don’t like some of the map mechanics already. Since the scores do not affect wvw, I think it will reduce the wvw population even more. It also appears to be moving further away from RvR and GvG since it’s almost impossible to form a large group on the map since everyone will be joining random teams. To me, it seems like a larger version of a sPvP map or those WinterDays snowball fight instanced map.
Yup, this is correct for any map that the float team isn’t on besides EBG. We usually have 2/4 maps outmanned during Oceanic. I’ll see if I can’t take screenshots tomorrow.
Here we go again with claims that BG is outnumbered in OCX. It’s been explained numerous times on this thread, so at this point, I am assuming you’re pretending to not understand it. There is a reason why people are poking fun at posts that like these that keep saying BG is outnumbered in multiple time zones.
If a map can hold 80 players and BG is able to queue or come close to queing at least 2 maps, it means they have around 160 players covering OCX. They can have one 80-man group defending while the other 80-man group float to different maps to cap things.
SOR, in OCX, typically queues 1 map. They have just 1 float group doing both defending and capping. This means that SOR is typically outnumbered by at least 2 times in OCX.
JQ typically is able to fill up 1 map and have around 15-25 on another map. In other words, BG typically outnumbers JQ by around 40-60 during OCX.
So, please stop claiming BG is outnumbered when BG has 1 or 2 maps that are outmanned during off peak hours when other servers have even less people and more maps outmanned. It makes it even ridiculous if you check the score history for the past 2 months in OCX when BG typically ticks over 300 pts and sometimes almost 400 pts in OCX. A server is not outnumbered in a timezone with those types of scores.
I can tell you why this is the case.
SoR going around early oceanic today with 50-60 man float team first led by Choo, then a mix zerg (led by HIRE?). JQ didn’t really have a presence outside of EBG, but they had around 20-30 in their zerg outside of EBG at best (probably less, first was Pro, then XPK). Our float team was 20-25 people led by OnS. We had 10-15 people on other maps to cap/defend. Any map we would leave would basically get outmanned immediately. Especially after our NA guilds KnT and iCoa tagged down around 1am server time.
Not our fault you don’t break up your zerg. We split up our forces to cap more structures in more maps, resulting in higher PPT. We also really don’t care about EBG, only coming onto the map when our side of the map is getting pushed, floating off almost straight away. I see JQ and SoR numbers in EBG that could form 2-3 float teams to cap other maps. But hey, who am I to tell you how to play. We have fun with our smaller forces regardless.
In true prime OCX, other servers cannot break up the zerg because there is no zerg to break up from. Nowadays SOR has barely enough for a 30-man float team. JQ has 30ish in EB (depending on commander) consisting mostly of pugs and another small float team on the boderlands. It is a luxury for BG to have a zerg of pugs to hold EB and then place 15ish on every borderland to defend WHILE at the same time have a 25ish float team capping things. Combining all the forces, BG has enough to fill 2 maps (like you said) while JQ/SOR does not.
What I see you always doing is that you reduce the numbers for BG by excluding your NA/SEA forces and then inflate the numbers of other serves by including their NA/SEA. In this case, you excluded knt and icoa and then inflate SOR by including choo. If you are going to exclude NA please do it for all servers. Choo is primarily NA also.
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SOR, in OCX, typically queues 1 map. They have just 1 float group doing both defending and capping. This means that SOR is typically outnumbered by at least 2 times in OCX.
Not even that now, the last 3 nights we’ve had only around 30 for most of oceanic.
Then why does BG always claim to be outnumbered by both JQ and SOR when both servers have kept saying it’s not true. Do you think it’s propaganda? Or do you think BG is seeing ghost images of players who are no longer playing?
Yup, this is correct for any map that the float team isn’t on besides EBG. We usually have 2/4 maps outmanned during Oceanic. I’ll see if I can’t take screenshots tomorrow.
Here we go again with claims that BG is outnumbered in OCX. It’s been explained numerous times on this thread, so at this point, I am assuming you’re pretending to not understand it. There is a reason why people are poking fun at posts that like these that keep saying BG is outnumbered in multiple time zones.
If a map can hold 80 players and BG is able to queue or come close to queing at least 2 maps, it means they have around 160 players covering OCX. They can have one 80-man group defending while the other 80-man group float to different maps to cap things.
SOR, in OCX, typically queues 1 map. They have just 1 float group doing both defending and capping. This means that SOR is typically outnumbered by at least 2 times in OCX.
JQ typically is able to fill up 1 map and have around 15-25 on another map. In other words, BG typically outnumbers JQ by around 40-60 during OCX.
So, please stop claiming BG is outnumbered when BG has 1 or 2 maps that are outmanned during off peak hours when other servers have even less people and more maps outmanned. It makes it even ridiculous if you check the score history for the past 2 months in OCX when BG typically ticks over 300 pts and sometimes almost 400 pts in OCX. A server is not outnumbered in a timezone with those types of scores.
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There seems to be a lot of confusion on what SOR wants to do as a server. The group of guilds currently on SOR who plays only for the fights drove off a large group of guilds who were playing for the PPT because they were unwilling to compromise. However, now the “fights only” SOR guilds want new transfers for the off peak coverage to help with the PPT. So, which is it? Playing for fights only, playing for PPT only, or playing for both? SOR, as a server, needs to be able to answer this or it will be very difficult to recruit help.
Lol, Stellioz and Omen gaming are in no way a PUG group, They are a great guild and have my vote any day of the week. Silly rabbit Tricks are for Kids!
jojojoon is being sarcastic. Every post in this thread by him is poking fun at the BG koolaid drinkers who have this genuine thought that that they are indeed outnumbered in every time zone and they only win due to sheer will and amazing play.
How dare you say that!!! I take offense to that!!! When we, the BG community, say we are outnumbered across all timezones, it has to be true. Stays may lie but BG never lies. Just check MOS if you don’t believe us.
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/
Note: Sigh.. I think the owner of the MOS website is on vacation or something. We still can’t get in contact with him yet to fix the website.
Funny, MOS shows that BG dominates during NA.
Get a clue and stop trying so hard.
That’s why we are trying to get the website fixed. Remember, we are outnumbered across ALL TIMEZONES!!!!
Hello Duke,
From what I know from my friends in your server, BG is still recruiting and has had several small guilds transfer over for WvW in the last 7 days. BG has the widest and deepest coverage now vs JQ and the PPT scores show.
I am not complimenting nor condemning BG, just making known some facts.
Also, besides ZDs in league, BG has outsmarted JQ and SOR by recruiting dozens of small PVX guilds (vs big WvW ones favored by other servers) to ensure a >80% chance of winning in league and after season. Those guilds are still in BG.
Chocpudding has done a tremendous job in the recruitment drive. Kudos.
FW
Finally, we are getting more help to compete with SOR and JQ. I also heard that BG is getting a couple of EU guilds to help fight against SOR’s staggering forces in EU. I hope that we can at least queue 3 borderlands and EB instead of just 2 borderlands and EB during EU.
Lol, Stellioz and Omen gaming are in no way a PUG group, They are a great guild and have my vote any day of the week. Silly rabbit Tricks are for Kids!
jojojoon is being sarcastic. Every post in this thread by him is poking fun at the BG koolaid drinkers who have this genuine thought that that they are indeed outnumbered in every time zone and they only win due to sheer will and amazing play.
How dare you say that!!! I take offense to that!!! When we, the BG community, say we are outnumbered across all timezones, it has to be true. Stays may lie but BG never lies. Just check MOS if you don’t believe us.
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/
Note: Sigh.. I think the owner of the MOS website is on vacation or something. We still can’t get in contact with him yet to fix the website.
Lol, Stellioz and Omen gaming are in no way a PUG group, They are a great guild and have my vote any day of the week. Silly rabbit Tricks are for Kids!
Well, I am just supporting Reverence’s post when he was listing all of BG’s SEA guilds versus JQ’s SEA guilds. I agree with him that not only we have very little good SEA guilds compared to JQ’s powerful SEA guilds, but also majority of our SEA population consists of pugs like Omen, Thai, Urge, KOR, etc that are good at following the pin. Again, I have to repeat, there is nothing wrong with being a pug. Pugs are very important to BG’s success.
Check below for Reverence’s list of BG SEA guilds. We have so little SEA guilds compared to JQ and that’s why we are always outnumbered when we fight them.
BG:
ND – Fields 30-40, depends on their commander. Dia can pull in a full map zerg just from ND, but he very rarely logs in these days. They usually run 20-30, but for the sake of comparison and averages, going to bump their number up a bit.
WM – Fields 15-25 when they run, which is rare
LP – Fields 20-30 later taking on float team which combines all other players from the other guilds running at that time into a blob of 60-70
TMD – Fields 20-25
RR – Fields 15-20, may field more in the future
XF/Ace – Fields 20-30, they are a mainly PvE guild looking to expand their presence in WvW.
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A rough comparison of SEA time zone guilds/numbers between JQ and BG (since there’s very little EU and OCE to compare):
JQ:
ATM – Still can field 10-15 as can be seen from the screenshot I posted above
Ge – Fields 20-30 on their raid nights. More if their main commander is leading.
FB – Fields 20-30, usually have 5-10 Agg tags with their group as well.
WvW – Fields 40-50 easily – they absorbed a lot of ATM players
Black Lion MERC – Fields 20-30, used to field more, but hey…
ZQC – Fields 40-50, new to GW2 and WvW, but they have numbers and they will get better.BG:
ND – Fields 30-40, depends on their commander. Dia can pull in a full map zerg just from ND, but he very rarely logs in these days. They usually run 20-30, but for the sake of comparison and averages, going to bump their number up a bit.
WM – Fields 15-25 when they run, which is rare
LP – Fields 20-30 later taking on float team which combines all other players from the other guilds running at that time into a blob of 60-70
TMD – Fields 20-25
RR – Fields 15-20, may field more in the future
XF/Ace – Fields 20-30, they are a mainly PvE guild looking to expand their presence in WvW.Sorry, but the numbers are very even between JQ and BG at the moment. We’re very pug heavy as well so the numbers at the moment are on BG’s side during SEA time zone. Pugs are hardly dependable as numbers though when fighting against quality guilds like FB and Ge (love fighting you guys btw, always a great time no matter if we win or lose).
Try to pull your head out of your kitten and understand that BG isn’t the overstacked monster everyone seems to think it is.
I agree with you, JQ has so many SEA players and BG barely has any to compete with them. The original MERC split up and some went to JQ and some stayed. For some reason, the JQ MERC plays not only in OCX but SEA also and can field 30+ on a nightly basis. BG MERC, for some reason, all moved to France and now plays EU time. Why is our MERC not playing in SEA and JQ MERCs does. I don’t get it.
AGG also plays in SEA even though they are a NA guild. Why don’t we have guilds in NA that do that. I don’t get it..
We have a guild called Omen in BG that usually fields 25-30+ people, but they aren’t good so we kinda consider them a pug guild. Our other SEA guilds like Thai, Urge, KOR, etc also play like pugs. So to quote you, since they’re PUGs, they are “hardly dependable.” They can’t be depended on at all in SEA…
Oh i’m sorry? Did you mean this “Pug” guild?
Reverence didn’t put them in the list of main SEA guilds for BG, and I agree with him. So the answer is yes, we both do agree that they’re a pug guild. Nothing wrong with being a pug since by definition it’s a “pick up group.” And like what DivineBeing says, as long as their is a pin on the map, the pugs will follow. It’s just that they are “hardly dependable.”
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you can’t punish players that don’t play in your timezone.
With that, instead of trying to solve the problem by timezone, solve the problem by outmannned buff.
If your realm is “Outmanned” in a zone, the following buffs should be applied
-gates/walls/npcs take 20% less damage
-npcs deal 20% more damage
-all siege of the outmanned team deals 20% more damage.this is a great way to help the outmanned team last longer until more players arrive to support the fight.
This won’t work. 20% less damage will maybe prolong it a few minutes longer. If people are sleeping or at school/work, they’re not going to wake up or rush home to login to defend. Plus, you can always place another ram to compensate for the 20% reduction in damage.
If BG keeps saying they are underdogs enough they may actually start believing it. Helps with the server recruiting, “Come fight the good fight against all odds”. LMAO.
If you don’t believe that BG are underdogs and is always undermanned, you can check the scoring history on the MOS website (http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/). Stats may lie but BG never lies. We’re currently trying to see if we can get the website fixed.
A rough comparison of SEA time zone guilds/numbers between JQ and BG (since there’s very little EU and OCE to compare):
JQ:
ATM – Still can field 10-15 as can be seen from the screenshot I posted above
Ge – Fields 20-30 on their raid nights. More if their main commander is leading.
FB – Fields 20-30, usually have 5-10 Agg tags with their group as well.
WvW – Fields 40-50 easily – they absorbed a lot of ATM players
Black Lion MERC – Fields 20-30, used to field more, but hey…
ZQC – Fields 40-50, new to GW2 and WvW, but they have numbers and they will get better.BG:
ND – Fields 30-40, depends on their commander. Dia can pull in a full map zerg just from ND, but he very rarely logs in these days. They usually run 20-30, but for the sake of comparison and averages, going to bump their number up a bit.
WM – Fields 15-25 when they run, which is rare
LP – Fields 20-30 later taking on float team which combines all other players from the other guilds running at that time into a blob of 60-70
TMD – Fields 20-25
RR – Fields 15-20, may field more in the future
XF/Ace – Fields 20-30, they are a mainly PvE guild looking to expand their presence in WvW.Sorry, but the numbers are very even between JQ and BG at the moment. We’re very pug heavy as well so the numbers at the moment are on BG’s side during SEA time zone. Pugs are hardly dependable as numbers though when fighting against quality guilds like FB and Ge (love fighting you guys btw, always a great time no matter if we win or lose).
Try to pull your head out of your kitten and understand that BG isn’t the overstacked monster everyone seems to think it is.
I agree with you, JQ has so many SEA players and BG barely has any to compete with them. The original MERC split up and some went to JQ and some stayed. For some reason, the JQ MERC plays not only in OCX but SEA also and can field 30+ on a nightly basis. BG MERC, for some reason, all moved to France and now plays EU time. Why is our MERC not playing in SEA and JQ MERCs does. I don’t get it.
AGG also plays in SEA even though they are a NA guild. Why don’t we have guilds in NA that do that. I don’t get it..
We have a guild called Omen in BG that usually fields 25-30+ people, but they aren’t good so we kinda consider them a pug guild. Our other SEA guilds like Thai, Urge, KOR, etc also play like pugs. So to quote you, since they’re PUGs, they are “hardly dependable.” They can’t be depended on at all in SEA…
It is trolls like this that really skew the perception of BG. Let’s work on your reading comprehension, shall we?
Why are you resorting to name calling when I even said multiple times I agree with you? I just find it weird why the MOS website is posting incorrect scores which is showing us with superior numbers across most time periods. Maybe the owner of the MOS website doesn’t play on BG? I am sure that once he plays on BG, he will agree with all of us BG players that we are always outnumbered and then fix the scores accordingly.
“We really have no Oceanic guild though, but enough pugs to make up for it as long as there’s a pin on the map.”
Like I said, I agree with you. When we don’t have a pin, SOR and JQ outnumber BG. But whatever happened to rest of MERC though? I once had a discussion with a MERC player and he said that many MERC players hated playing in OCX and wanted to move to France so they could play in EU. I guess they were able accomplished that after Season 1 ended.
“JQ had more numbers, but with Waha quitting, many stopped playing WvW as well.”
Again, I agree with you. JQ outnumbers BG in SEA by a lot. Like you said, even though many JQ SEA has quit already, I still see their ghost images in the game. When we do an open field push with like 50ish people, I swear that even though there may be 30 JQ, I still see like an extra 50 of those JQs who have quit already. For some reason, even though they quit, they can still play the game. Please teach me JQ SEA players who are not longer playing. How can you guys still play without actually having to log in. If they teach us their secret, we can then transfer all the BG players who have quit already to the game somehow and match JQ’s numbers in SEA.
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I went ahead and pulled up the stats from http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/. Ummm, I seriously don’t get it. Why is it showing BG with such a high score? It says that BG is ticking over 300 pts during SEA and then close to 400 pts in OCX and EU. That is clearly wrong. According to many of my BG servermates, we are clearly outnumbered in multiple time zones, so it is impossible to be scoring this much points across the day. Ticking close to 400 pts is nearly impossible unless you clearly have a numbers advantage which we don’t. We don’t even queue all the boderlands during EU time.
Anyone know how we can contact the owner of the MOS website to have them fix this? It must be a bug in their website.
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Wow, I’ve heard it all. There you have it folks. BG has less people than JQ and SOR. BG needs to recruit and get more people to compete with JQ and SOR. BG needs more people in EU and NA since SOR has way too many people in these time slots. BG also needs more help in OCX and SEA since JQ has lots of people also.
Please come to BG, we really need more people since we are outnumbered in multiple time zones. Heck, it looks like we are outnumbered in ALL time zones..
Did you read the part where I said not to come to BG? No? Typical troll.
You’re asking people not to come to EB. I’m asking people to come help us in other borderlands since we are always outnumbered compared to JQ and SOR in multiple time zones.
Ok, I’m going to copy/paste what I wrote earlier and then put it in bold.
BG does have a more balanced coverage (we’ve never stacked a single time zone unlike JQ[SEA] and SoR[EU]), but we don’t always have a numbers advantage.
That means that BG outnumbers one, but not the other server at any given time other than during NA. It means that there’s never a time zone that we need more people in. It does, however, mean that we are outnumbered when there’s no one tagged up on a map, thanks to our pug heavy population.
Reading comprehension. Learn some.
You even said we don’t have a numbers advantage, so that means we need more people to compete with them. I play all time zones. In NA, SOR outnumbers us, so we need help there. In OCX and SEA, JQ has lots of people, so we definitely need more help. In EU, I typically see around like 15 SOR but the numbers we have, we can’t fight them head on.
Why are you even arguing with me. I’m just repeating what you said in YOUR POST that we don’t outnumber them especially in EU when we usually have around 50ish per map. We need to have a queue in all maps in EU to be able to fight SOR.
If you don’t believe that I am agreeing with you, just pull up the stats from http://mos.millenium.org. Stats don’t lie. It clearly shows SOR and JQ dominating BG in all time zones, especially EU when SOR is clearly demolishing us there.
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Wow, I’ve heard it all. There you have it folks. BG has less people than JQ and SOR. BG needs to recruit and get more people to compete with JQ and SOR. BG needs more people in EU and NA since SOR has way too many people in these time slots. BG also needs more help in OCX and SEA since JQ has lots of people also.
Please come to BG, we really need more people since we are outnumbered in multiple time zones. Heck, it looks like we are outnumbered in ALL time zones..
Did you read the part where I said not to come to BG? No? Typical troll.
You’re asking people not to come to EB. I’m asking people to come help us in other borderlands since we are always outnumbered compared to JQ and SOR in multiple time zones.
Well sorry! Guess you need to clean up after the BG troll then.
But seems you don’t understand the feeling of fighting against hopeless odds. If you’ve been with BG since release, that means you have never seen how its like on other servers at rock bottom, right?
You admit you have a numbers advantage, even if it “that big.” That alone is already a big deal, when you are on a server that can’t even field 50 men on a single map, and are fighting multiple 60 men Zergs, it’s not just a matter of losing some towers and keeps.
I’m sorry if I trivialized your efforts, but at the same time there’s a level of difficulty down here at the bottom that you probably don’t understand. That’s fine through; some day I’d like to transfer over just to see what it’s like, but too invested in my server at the moment to do so.
Thing is, JQ and SoR have the ability to field the same numbers as we do (JQ matching us in SEA and SoR matching us in EU while they both outnumber us during OCE during most of the week, though SoR and BG’s OCE numbers are more similar, JQ definitely has more). You say we have an overwhelming numbers advantage. We don’t. It depends on which commander/guilds are tagged up. Occasionally we get a group of 30-40+= steamrolling a map against 15-20 SoR/JQ. Occasionally we get steamrolled by 50+ JQ/SoR while we have 15-20 on the pin.
To make things clearer. We have 1 Oceanic PvX guild (no dedicated Oceanic WvW guild except MERC, except they don’t tag up and only go looking for fights majority of the time so they don’t really impact PPT. They don’t even run nightly), and 2 EU WvW guilds (one of which doesn’t tag up, one of which is inactive at the moment). The only time SoR can claim they are outnumbered is during SEA. Only time JQ can claim they’re outnumbered is during EU. NA is completely even with SoR having stronger NA guilds. BG is carried by our NA and SEA. That’s been the story since the start of leagues. Propaganda from SoR and JQ just make it seem otherwise.
NA – JQ=BG=SoR
OCE – JQ > BG = SoR (This timezone is really hard to rank, since it’s a weird zone with NA staying up late and SEA logging on early. We really have no Oceanic guild though, but enough pugs to make up for it as long as there’s a pin on the map. That’s why I ranked it that way)
SEA – JQ = BG > SoR (JQ had more numbers, but with Waha quitting, many stopped playing WvW as well. With JQ getting a new influx of Chinese players, however, the balance is tilting back in their favour during this time zone)
EU – SoR = BG > JQ (not strictly EU guilds, but SoR’s LUN is quite a force in this time zone.BG does have a more balanced coverage (we’ve never stacked a single time zone unlike JQ[SEA] and SoR[EU]), but we don’t always have a numbers advantage.
Finally, please don’t bandwagon to BG. Watching our EBG get overrun with people fighting for stonemist (this is ok if there’s the numbers and organisation), then wasting supply to upgrade it (this isn’t ok) is… painful.
Looks like OP is either a bandwagoner or a PvE’er who doesn’t really mingle with the WvW community.
Wow, I’ve heard it all. There you have it folks. BG has less people than JQ and SOR. BG needs to recruit and get more people to compete with JQ and SOR. BG needs more people in EU and NA since SOR has way too many people in these time slots. BG also needs more help in OCX and SEA since JQ has lots of people also.
Please come to BG, we really need more people since we are outnumbered in multiple time zones. Heck, it looks like we are outnumbered in ALL time zones..
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The one thing I noticed is that the more ecto you have in your inventory, the success rate seems to go down. It seems that the number of ectos you have is used in the RNG calculation.
This can be counteracted by eating a plate of nachos before salvaging. For every three tortilla chips drenched in cheese and sour cream you eat within an hour before salvaging, you’ll get an extra ecto.
Thus, they cancel each other out, each having exactly the same effect on your salvage rate.
I’m not sure if you’ve coded before because there are ways to make RNG bias..
The one thing I noticed is that the more ecto you have in your inventory, the success rate seems to go down. It seems that the number of ectos you have is used in the RNG calculation.
We’ve been killing tequatl almost every day on our server. Our server runs organized events for this. I participated in one of them yesterday and got some decent loot.
Note: I’m not from BG
It’s the same with griefers/trollers. Currently, there are 2 players from the opposing server on our server logging in every night to waste supplies by building a ton of useless siege to try to siege cap the map. There is no option in the reporting tool to report this. If I recall, an anet employee said that it would take a huge amount of effort coding-wise to add another option to the list and he suggested just to report them as scamming/botting/spamming/etc. However, I noticed that there is a new option in the list for “LFG abuse” which is for pve. When it comes to pve, they are willing to use resources to add a new option; however, anything wvw related is getting pushed back or ignored.
I personally think it’s a big mistake to close the sub forum down. Without seeing players’s names and communicating with opposing players in-game via chat (except for workarounds), it’s difficult to create server, guild, and player rivalries. The wvw sub-forums some what allows this with the smack talk. Now, even with this tool removed, I predict a even greater decline in wvw participation in the next few months.
Everyone knows the rewards in wvw sucks compare to pve. The matches are stale since it’s the same server match up over and over. New content updates to wvw is always getting pushed back in favor of pve content updates. For most players, the fight experience and the sense of rivalry are what that keep players doing wvw every night. But now with this removed, why would we do wvw when it doesn’t even matter what guilds or server we’re fighting against. At least before, you see a server/guild talk smack on the forum, you want to log in to destroy them that night.
Multiple people have said they read the sub-forums at work to follow the matchup. This is something that anet should be want all players to do since it means the players are interested in the matchup. Players disinterest in the matchup leads to them not participating in wvw. Is this anet’s goal with their decision to close down the wvw sub-forums?
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Not really to start trouble, but doesn’t the stats show that SOR is not the smallest T1 server? SOR leads in 1 time zone, meaning they are able to field the most wvw guilds/players in that time zone. From the stats, it looks like JQ is the smallest T1 server since they only tie BG in their best time zone (SEA). BG has the best coverage of all T1 servers dominating (over 50%) in multiple time zones (OCX and EU).
I was told that someone posted “merry christmas” posts in the thread which are considered to be off topic so the entire thread was wiped. People, stop posting christmas stuff in the thread!!! Christmas is over already!!!
The best way, honestly, would be to have two subforums – one modded, and one unmodded. Let each poster pick their flavor. (This has the bonus of providing a haven for all random threads, giving the mods less to deal with.) Voting on posts just devolves everything into a juvenile popularity contest.
But the suspicion is that Anet’s going to downsize the mod team and your solution doesn’t allow for that.
From what I heard (not naming the source), they’re anticipating that they will be losing a lot of wvw players in the next few months to a certain new game coming out. So, not only are they downsizing the wvw mod team, they are also downsizing the wvw dev team. That is why all wvw related content is getting pushed back a few months again.
you’re going to get infracted..
People like to cry about coverage, or whine about buying, but here is the thing, as a server BG seems to be the most solid.
Almost every player they have is actively trying to help the server. Whether that means, running with the pin, capping ruins with other allies, or scouting towers.
It prob also helps that they seem to have a low pug population. (By PuG I mean non-wvw guilded players, not in TS) Almost every player you see, is a member of a known wvw guild. Sure there are the exceptions, but that is a big deal.
But that’s exactly what having coverage or buying guild means.. For example, if SOR paid for a few guild from EU to transfer over and also pay for a few guilds from TC/JQ/SOS/MAG to come over and now can field multiple wvw guilds in every time zone, then essentially what this will do is what you’re describing BG has right now – which is a high population of “wvw players in well known wvw guilds who are in TS, running with pin, capping ruins, and scouting.”