Guild Wars 2

Jahn.7019:

Veritas.4792:

Darkjoy.3092:

Great job tonight SOR! Looks like we might get a real 3 way fight on Bg this week!

If only SoR had some Oceanics/SEA.

Would be interesting, wouldn’t it.

I feel like SoR’s true potential has yet to be seen quite frankly. The fact they’ve come so far with so little coverage says a lot. Maybe they’ll get lucky in the near future and get some other like-minded oceanics/sea.

Didn’t majority of SBI’s oceanics/sea moved to SOR? I remember seeing a post in gw2guru that SOR recieved at least 4 oceanics/sea guilds from SBI. Now, OCX from SOS has moved to SOR so I probably wouldn’t say SOR has little oceanic/sea coverage. If they were in tier2, they would wreak havoc against all serves except for kaineng.

Leo Paul.1659:

jojojoon.8607:

Leo Paul.1659:

Jayne.9251:

Leo Paul.1659:

Trikki.5803:

Leo Paul.1659:

If I were you, I’d drop the sense of entitlement to 1st place and focus on strengthening our weaknesses via proper recruitment. :/ For now, BG can’t beat JQ. Hard fact. They got the top spot fair and square. Us BG don’t have any excuse aside from the fact that we need better coverage (particularly Euro) – simple as that. Just sayin.

Why do you keep posting on behalf of BG when you transferred here like a day ago and have no clue what you’re talking about.

Please stop, you’re giving my friends in Urge a bad name.

LOL what are you being offended about? Is it better to say “omg 2vs1” and cry foul every single time than to be gracious about being weaker? It’s obvious that BG is still 2nd place in terms of manpower. That much is true. That’s the only point I’m making.

I retract my statement about BG’s notoriety. It’s their kitten forum warriors that makes them bad.

I can speak however I want and for whom I want. It’s up to everyone else to take it as they want.

I think it was you saying BG lacked euro presence, when that is pretty much a very solid core for them …. HB comes to mind. It just shows a lack of understanding of the server and potentially insults your teammates.

Then they are simply being complacent if they believe BG’s coverage is that great. It is lacking in some parts and JQ outclasses them in this area. What’s so wrong with me saying I feel like BG could use more Euro coverage based on my observation anyway?Is saying that a server lacks sufficient coverage is an insult now?

BG has the strongest euro coverage out of all the NA servers in tier 1 and 2. So, in a way, I do understand why BG’s euro group will think it’s an insult with your comment. You’re essentially saying even though BG has more players in euro time zone, they’re losing to the other servers who have less players.

LOL this is what I’m saying: Yesterday, I felt like BG’s coverage aren’t up to par with JQ’s as per the ppt. Whether this is because JQ decided to team up with SOR or because JQ’s other guilds are working overtime is up to anyone’s interpretation. To be offended by it and attack me for that statement is silly.

I’m being called a troll for doing nothing remotely offensive.

If you think that it was just 1 day, you wouldn’t say they need MORE euro coverage. By saying that, it seems like you think that the lack of coverage is not temporary but permanent. BG’s euro group definitely knows that they do not need more coverage. By implying that they do, you’re saying they are playing down to the numbers of the other servers.

I mean if you think it’s just that 1 day, you would probably say “Today, there are less people in euro time slot but it’s probably due to people taking breaks for tomorrow’s push” and not “We need more euro coverage since even though we have 30 people, we’re losing to 15 people and it seems we like only have 10.”

Leo Paul.1659:

Jayne.9251:

Leo Paul.1659:

Trikki.5803:

Leo Paul.1659:

If I were you, I’d drop the sense of entitlement to 1st place and focus on strengthening our weaknesses via proper recruitment. :/ For now, BG can’t beat JQ. Hard fact. They got the top spot fair and square. Us BG don’t have any excuse aside from the fact that we need better coverage (particularly Euro) – simple as that. Just sayin.

Why do you keep posting on behalf of BG when you transferred here like a day ago and have no clue what you’re talking about.

Please stop, you’re giving my friends in Urge a bad name.

LOL what are you being offended about? Is it better to say “omg 2vs1” and cry foul every single time than to be gracious about being weaker? It’s obvious that BG is still 2nd place in terms of manpower. That much is true. That’s the only point I’m making.

I retract my statement about BG’s notoriety. It’s their kitten forum warriors that makes them bad.

I can speak however I want and for whom I want. It’s up to everyone else to take it as they want.

I think it was you saying BG lacked euro presence, when that is pretty much a very solid core for them …. HB comes to mind. It just shows a lack of understanding of the server and potentially insults your teammates.

Then they are simply being complacent if they believe BG’s coverage is that great. It is lacking in some parts and JQ outclasses them in this area. What’s so wrong with me saying I feel like BG could use more Euro coverage based on my observation anyway?Is saying that a server lacks sufficient coverage is an insult now?

BG has the strongest euro coverage out of all the NA servers in tier 1 and 2. So, in a way, I do understand why BG’s euro group will think it’s an insult with your comment. You’re essentially saying even though BG has more players in euro time zone, they’re losing to the other servers who have less players. In other words, you’re implying that they suck.

ZilentNight.5089:

It’s funny, up until now you had no complaints, now suddenly JQ starts to play seriously and the accusations begin.

The fishy thing is that all these posts are from players who have never posted in wvw forum before. In my previous game I played, I know someone who who make up something and post it on the forum. He would then log on his other friends’ accounts who have quit already to backup his story. It’s quite funny. You would see his post and then the next 3 posts after that are him repeating the same thing.

Thesilentflute.8761:

PRX exploiting? What is this week one through last week lol if you can’t win with skill cheat they did the same kitten on HOD. They had to do something we were smashing them I say cheers.

The poster who said that has never posted on the forum before. That was his very first post. Also, he was a solo player watching over a zerg. That means he probably kept his distance so I doubt he was able to see everything (like if there were other mesmers who created the portal).

If I recall, a few weeks ago, Rawnoodles and a few of Emp members mentioned on the forum about TW players whispering them in game with insults and personal attacks. I think Emp is probably referring to this incident.

Zen.8497:

Kryyg.8576

I think the game should be more about battles rather than worry about each other real estate.
I hope you guys have enjoyed the fireworks.

Many players actually do not prefer this zerg style of game play. If you look at other threads on this forum currently and in the past, you would notice that many actually want to run in smaller groups to complete objectives on the map like taking camps, defending towers, escorting yaks, etc. Zerging up in a huge 50+ ball and ignoring objectives on the map may win open field battles but it doesn’t show strategy, tactical play and players’ skills, and with the issues with lag and culling, it is downright unplayable at times since you can die without even knowing what happened.

I feel that SOR is playing similar to how SOS used to play which was to ball up in huge zergs to run through their opponents. SOS however did play strategically like encouraging other servers to fight each other so they benefit from 2v1, scouting, etc and that was why they were devastating and was one of the main reasons for their dominance for around 2 months. SOR zergs up and ignores practically everything else on the map – No strategy, no tactics, ignoring points and objectives on the map.

There are some posters who have an opinion that K/D is the best indication of performance. However, as many have stated already, the best K/D ratio is achieved through balling up in 50+ zerg. Many feel that spamming skills without seeing who you are hitting or who is hitting does not show player skills.

One of the best ways to get a good K/D ratio is to have the server run as a large zerg. Zerging may not be the best way to play strategically but it helps in open field battles (have more people than them in the battle, can take advantage of culling, etc). Other servers tend to play more strategically – splitting up the force to complete multiple objectives, etc. There is a difference in playing for the score and playing smart. And also playing for the K/D ratio and playing “wtf is the commander doing.”

drwookie.6391:

Thobek.1730:

Rawnoodles.1398:

P.S : Due to the high amount of traffic across current Tc/K/BG and JQ/SoS/SoR threads of this upcoming match-up, ive decided to kick-start this thread to keep postings unified.

so typical of a JQ guy to post about next week before this week is finished.

No wonder everyone hates JQ.

Why do you have to start something? He made this post on the day the reset is happening. That seems entirely reasonable. There is no reason to come in here and try to start an argument/fight. There is no reason to insult other people.

Seriously, grow up please.

I suggest to everyone just to ignore him and Kefro. They are known trolls who post a lot of nonsense stuff just to try to get everyone riled up… stuff like “we are the true kings of wvw” or “we are outnumbered 10 to 1 at all times” when a few posts before mentioned about a queue on the server that is outnumbered (that means one server has 75+ people while another server has 750 people).

This is the battle of chest thumping. A few weeks back, SOR chest thumps with the achievement of owning JQ’s garrison in JQ’s borderland map. JQ comes back with owning all of SOR’s borderland including 3 waypoints. This week, SOR chest thumps about owning JQ’s keep in EB. JQ comes back with owning all of EB including 4 waypoints.

I got this game for wvw. It’s been like 6 months since the game launched and 0 content has been added to wvw. What’s worse is that content was taken away (orbs) because anet did not want to spend resources to fix the issue.

There was supposed to be wvw content in Nov. It got pushed back for christmas pve event. Then it was supposed to be Jan and it got pushed back to Feb. Now, it’s getting pushed back further to March.

If the game were subscription based, I would probably have stopped playing a long time ago.

Power.2957:

If only all JQ were as laughably easy to kill as this [Aco] guild :P

Also, big thanks to the JQ server this week for all the free siege I’ve stolen from them!

Sincerely, the SoR mesmer you always meet at the top of the puzzle!

Seriously though, if you’re going to talk about another guild in that manner, at least let them know which guild you’re in. I was going to ask for your character name but character names don’t show up in wvw.

Power.2957:

If only all JQ were as laughably easy to kill as this [Aco] guild :P

Also, big thanks to the JQ server this week for all the free siege I’ve stolen from them!

Sincerely, the SoR mesmer you always meet at the top of the puzzle!

Very classy… Which SOR guild are you in?

Jackums.3496:

Thobek.1730:

jojojoon.8607:

The difference why JQ has won the last few weeks while SOS has not is all due to motivation and attitude.

yeah those 15 new guilds JQ got a few weeks back has NOTHING to do with why they are winning now. Nor the fact SoS has lost some.

But of course we can win because its just motivation and attitude that wins right?

you’re funny.

Basically.

Before the recent implosion, SOS had comparable coverage with JQ. JQ dominates in SEA and has superior NA coverage. SOS dominates in oceanic and also has superior NA coverage. The differences between the 2 servers were motivation and attitude.

Free transfers ended a few weeks ago on a Monday. During that week, on that Monday, SOS had around a 3k lead. They were motivated and was willing to put in overtime and actually increased the 3k lead and won by around 10k by Friday.

JQ didn’t really gain more guilds after that Monday when free transfers ended but SOS was able to win that week against a “stacked” JQ. What was the difference between the SOS that fought that week and the SOS that is fighting now (and the past few weeks)? Motivation and attitude.

Attitude:
1) That server is stacked, there’s no point in fighting. I think we lost already. We’re doomed. I’ll just complain on the forum instead.
2) We can’t outzerg them, I don’t think we should fight them. I’m giving up.
3) We don’t have to change anything we’re doing. The only reason why we’re losing is because they have a lot of people. It has nothing to do with how we’re playing.

Motivation:
1) We’re not leading right now on a weekend, so I think I’ll do pve instead.
2) We’re not leading right now, so I think I’m just going to play 1 hour in wvw only.
3) We’re not leading right now, so I won’t put in overtime to wait for my SEA crew to get online.

urek mazino.4026:

jojojoon.8607:

The difference why JQ has won the last few weeks while SOS has not is all due to motivation and attitude.

If you play in SOR just for few days, your opinion might change. In this matchup, its hard to believe motivation and attitude alone can topple JQ, at least from SOR’s side

I agree, that’s why the comparison is for JQ and SOS and not JQ and SOR. I explained in an earlier post why I think it will be extremely tough for SOR to win. SOR’s main strength is in NA which all tier 1 servers have decent or good coverage in.

ISteveI.9732:

Rawnoodles.1398:

jojojoon.8607:

ISteveI.9732:

If JQ SEA is playing overtime then that means they are playing till 4-5am SEA time especially weekdays.

i doubt so

If the SEA crew plays to 1am or 2am, that’s 5pm or 6pm euro time (London). Or 6pm to 7pm (if based on Rome). Handing over upgraded keeps/towers and playing part of early euro prime do wonders for the euro crew.

If you do not believe me, can you name 1 euro guild in JQ that is as big as votf or hb? Typically, to dominate a time zone, you need 1 good size guild in that slot. WM in SEA for SBI, Foo in SEA for JQ, MERC in oceanic for SOS, etc..

JQ has superior SEA and NA coverage. SOS has superior oceanic and NA coverage (or used to). The difference why JQ has won the last few weeks while SOS has not is all due to motivation and attitude.

Keep in mind there are a variety of International guilds that slot in for NA morning/EU prime. Guilds like EMP/PRX/SF can field pretty much 16+ hrs alone daily within their rosters to make up for dead zones.

There you go…

They are international guilds. That doesn’t mean those guilds can field large numbers at euro time. Likewise for MERC. Even though they have players playing in NA time slot, their strength is during oceanic time.

ISteveI.9732:

If JQ SEA is playing overtime then that means they are playing till 4-5am SEA time especially weekdays.

i doubt so

If the SEA crew plays to 1am or 2am, that’s 5pm or 6pm euro time (London). Or 6pm to 7pm (if based on Rome). Handing over upgraded keeps/towers and playing part of early euro prime do wonders for the euro crew.

If you do not believe me, can you name 1 euro guild in JQ that is as big as votf or hb? Typically, to dominate a time zone, you need 1 good size guild in that slot. WM in SEA for SBI, Foo in SEA for JQ, MERC in oceanic for SOS, etc..

JQ has superior SEA and NA coverage. SOS has superior oceanic and NA coverage (or used to). The difference why JQ has won the last few weeks while SOS has not is all due to motivation and attitude.

Josh P.1296:

I can’t say I recall SoS ever having a 20k lead after the weekend or even more than 10k.
SoS dominated oceanic time, but JQ also dominated euro time then which neither SoS or SBI had. When SoS was in t4, the transfers we got (which weren’t even close to half of the kitten tonne JQ received) brought us to t1. The kitten tonne JQ received as an already t1 server was just ridiculous.

Also I’d just like to say I still blame ArenaNet for the reason JQ is stacked as kitten. If they had never extended server cap limits, then JQ would never have been able to transfer even half the amount that they received, even if they did more blackouts. And I don’t want to hear “deal with it, you had the chance to recruit more guilds JQ just did it better.” No. Jedahs put a lot of effort into trying to recruit more guilds, but Jedahs and every thread he made got constantly flamed or laughed at because a server who was already No.1 wanted to recruit more people. JQ was more appealing as No.2 and many guilds transferred there for the sole purpose of crushing SoS.

I do recall there being a few 10k+ gaps. 20k gaps I’m not sure but it wouldn’t surprise me if there were. There were nights that SOS had around 500+ ppt for 6 or more hours. Having 500 ppt means SOS is having 400+ difference.

400 pts X 4 ticks per hour X 6 hours = 9600 points.

That’s close to 10, 000 points in just 6 hours. 2 days of dominating during oceanic prime time and you get almost a 20k lead.

Also, the current situation is unique in that SOS is having a lot of internal issues and SOR isn’t even playing for the score.

Another misconception is thinking that JQ has a strong euro crew. If you check JQ’s recruitment thread that listed all their major guilds, you actually do not see any particular large guilds listed in the euro time slot. Votf from SOS and HB from BG are actually 2 of the biggest guilds in that time slot in tier 1. Most of JQ’s euro coverage is due to many of the SEA players playing overtime. The same as when SOS was winning with their SOS group playing overtime to provide SEA coverage. SOS oceanics stopped doing this while JQ’s SEA has not. That is the one of the main reasons why JQ is winning and SOS is not.

Jedah made a thread to recruit the week right AFTER they lost to JQ after winning for like 7 straight weeks, a loss that many SOS claimed was due to the holidays. If JQ won a few weeks, a recruitment thread might have been justified but not after just 1 loss which many SOS thought was due to holidays.

Jedah made a regular recruitment thread, a euro recruitment thread, a British recruiment thread, and spammed every single euro guild thread to recruit. He got flamed. Some SOS posters started their own SOS recruitment threads. Even the forum GM had to close them since there were so many SOS recruitment threads.

Slayer Lord.5023:

SoR seems to be more about getting kills then getting points. I think they could do much better in the score if they wanted to.

I think that is also part of the problem why the score appears to be lopsided. However, I do understand why SOR is doing what they’re doing. They’re essentially moving the goal post for both JQ and themselves to boost morale. Honestly, I do not think SOR can beat JQ due to the fact that SOR’s best coverage time zone is in NA, which all other tier1 servers (BG, SOS, JQ, etc) have decent coverage in. Their NA group cannot make up point difference they lose in the other time zones against BG’s euros, SOS’s oceanics, and JQ’s SEAs.

Knowing that they cannot win a matchup based on weekly scores, they’re moving the goal post constantly to boost morale and to get themselves to continue to do wvw.

So what we see is:

1) Which server wins the weekend is the better server.
2) Then after JQ starts winning the weekend: Which server has the highest PPT during NA prime time is the better server.
3) Then after JQ starts having some nights with higher PPT during NA prime: Which server owns the other server’s garrison in their home borderland is the better server.
4) Then after JQ starts to defend their home borderland better: Which server wins open field fights is the better server.
5) Then after JQ starts winning some of the open field fights: We only play for the fights and not the score.

This last one baffles me a bit especially explained by some of the SOR posters. You can play smart (play for both the score and fights) or you can play “not smart” (only play for the fights). I feel SOR is not playing smart, hence, the increasing gap in the scores between JQ and SOR. If they were playing smart, they might not win but they could keep the score closer while still having good fights.

When there is a keep with a zerg defending it and 2 towers without anyone defending it, the smart way is to take the 2 towers first for the points and then hit the keep. Going straight for the keep with the zerg defending just for the fight and ignoring the easy points from the towers is not smart.

And then this one as explained by a commander:
Stationing in SM to wait for a fight while the other server takes everything else on the map is not the smart way to play. The smart way to play is to go defend where the other server is attacking first (so you don’t lose the easy points) and then go back to SM for the fights.

Josh P.1296:

Camaro Charr.2805:

BAEK.8561:

This matchup is getting pretty stale now. JQ’s first place is uncontested and we’re fighting the same opponent day after day, week after week. In the meantime, people are pointing fingers to Anet for lack of content updates and anything new to make things different and exciting.

I say if we want something new and exciting, it’s totally in our hands. SoS and SoR should team up and fight JQ 2v1. This will DEFINITELY make things more fun and exciting than wvw is in its current state. Yea, yea, some will say “wvw = 1v1v1”, “red means dead” and blah blah blah, but would you rather cling onto your pride and repeat the same thing over and over, week after week with no differing results? or try something new and make things more fun for us all?

It’s pretty clear that JQ is first and SoS and SoR are competing for second. The idea of allying with another server to beat them (because you can’t do it alone) can be humbling. But really, who cares? let’s face the reality. Neither SoS nor SoR can beat JQ alone. And besides, it’s a freaking video game, so who cares? It’s all about fun, and I’m sure SoS and SoR coalition will make wvw much more exciting than it is now. I say we make this week SoR & SoS vs JQ.

Does anyone realize how many weeks in a row that it was SOS stomping JQ and SBI? JQ and SBI fought for 2nd place? How is this any different now?

SOS was first from Week 47 to Week 04 with the exception of 1 week. This is 10 weeks in a row (minus Week 01)

1. SoS was never stacked like people used to claim.
2. SoS only won their matches by 3-30k bar one match which we won by 50k
3. JQ is stacked as kitten (don’t deny it) and has a 20k lead in less than 2 days.

1) SOS was stacked. They dominated a time zone (oceanic) that no other server could match. Likewise now with JQ during SEA time zone.
2) I think many posters have already explained why the matches were close during previous JQ-SOS matchups. SOS usually builds a good lead over the weekend, and by Tuesday, the match is essentially out of reach. SOS then takes the foot off of pedal to do pve activities while JQ continues to push throughout the week to close the gap. That is why you see many JQ players say they always do better during weekdays. I don’t think it’s because JQ magically gains more skills during the weekdays. I think it has more to do with the fact that SOS tends to only play seriously the first few days of the match and JQ playing up until Thursday or Friday to close the gap.
3) I think there are 2 reasons for the 20k lead after 2 days.
Reason 1:
A challenge has been issued to JQ’s NA crew since many posters have claimed that they’re been carried. Right now, JQ’s NA crew is out there trying to prove that they’re not being carried. In the past, they might be doing pve during NA times or maybe just playing normal hours (no overtime). However, this week, JQ’s NA crew appears to have accepted the challenge and everyone appears to be focused on wvw and putting in overtime. And the PPT is showing that since a previous poster noted that they’re ticking at 350 to 400 during NA prime time on a weekend (Saturday) which is very impressive since many have claimed that the weekends have the most even fights due to everyone being available.
Reason 2:
SOS is not as strong as strong as before, and they do not field the numbers they used to field. It could be due to low morale or guilds leaving the server (AGG, FOE, etc). If SOS was dominating oceanic prime time as they did in the past, the score would probably be a lot more closer.

covenn.7165:

Envi.2460:

Wvw is stale and boring. So sad I had such high hopes for this. Havent played in a week and dont miss it at all. le sigh

Agreed, though it was keeping me entertained until the guilds that were better fights started leaving the zone to find places to take stuff uncontested.

I guess some people just have a different mind set. When I lose, I try to figure out a way to win. Some people just choose to run away.

I was looking it from the point of view of other servers, and it actually makes sense for JQ to do what they’re doing. You are correct in saying the the different servers are playing with different mind sets. I feel SOR is kinda brute forcing things while JQ is playing logically with strategy in mind.

Here is the situation. Right now, SOR is stacking 3 to 4 of their better guilds on the JQ border and saying “come at me bro” while ignoring either 1 of their other borderland or EB. JQ, on the other hand, has been distributing the forces among the 3 borderlands and EB.

JQ has two choices. Either they stack 3 or 4 of their better guilds on the JQ border and fight SOR head on. The chances of them winning is 50/50 and they will most likely lose out on the easy points. Or they can send the guilds to other borderlands or EB which SOR is ignoring and take points there. Strategy-wise, the 2nd option is better. Look at this in another way. It’s basically similar to SOR stacking their entire zerg at a keep and say “come fight us” while ignoring all their other towers and camps on the map. JQ can send their zerg to attack the defended keep or they can go take towers/camps that are unprotected. Fighting head on at keep may or may not yield points while taking uncontested towers/camps will.

I think you do understand JQ’s strategy since you did mention in your own words that JQ is “leaving the zone to take stuff uncontested.” I also do understand why SOR thinks JQ’s playstyle is bland. JQ isn’t falling for the “Mr. Macho come at me bro” trick and is instead fighting logically with strategy in mind while trying to maximize their points based on the situation at hand.

kefro.9312:

You may agree or u may disagree cause you are a recent transfer to JQ and you are in denial it doesnt matter.

This injustice is causing a negative effect on the game long term from my view and how harder the good players can’t win with less players vs a horde of bad players creates a negative effect and less motivation to keep on going, making the problem bigger and bigger… better players should win (it’s a good thing it makes the game better)
The world vs world should be an epic journey on for players to go on… not a casual gaming imbalanced on number when a team caps 500 points per tick on a night vs empty castles making the fight for the next days useless…

I’m afraid anet in a few months will lose a lot of players that will even kill any expancion that is coming up due to the lack of players, it’s so sad because the game is awsome …

You have transferred to like 4 different tier 1 servers. So any server that you’re currently on is a server with “horde of good players” and any server that you’re fighting against is a “horde of bad players?”

If you think that wvw is an “epic journey for you to” to keep transferring so that you stay on the winning server and now that you can’t with the end of free transfers, then I think that maybe this game just isn’t right for you. Have you thought of maybe playing other games like Contra? I heard there is a code (up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, b, a) you could use to give you 30 lives. With 30 extra lives, I’m sure you will always win since winning is the only reason that makes a game fun for you.

One comment I would make about mesmers. If that person is using a staff, it is very easy to get stuck under the ground using the #2 skill that makes a clone and ports you backwards I’ve actually been stuck under the ground using that #2 staff skill numerous times. The only way to get unstuck is to use a waypoint or if you’re lucky to have another mesmer nearby you to open a portal. I’ve actually had to create a portal for another mesmer to port out of the ground also.

So much whining from a few individuals on this thread already. I don’t want to judge a server based on a few individuals but it’s just getting repetitive..

A few observations this week so far:
1) During first few hours of reset, JQ was the focus of both servers. That kept their PPT very low for quite awhile.

2) I noticed that some JQ players changed shifts. Instead of playing during reset, they’re actually playing during oceanic time zone (JQ’s weakest time zone). Very smart if true.. Playing 12 hours straight can burn you out quick.

3) Chinese New Years is this weekend. At first, I thought that would hurt the SEA time slot for all servers since typically they would need to eat dinner with family, visit relatives, etc during this holiday. However, I noticed some FOO and SEA guilds in JQ staying up really late yesterday. Some actually played to 1:30 pm PST time which is 5:30 am SEA time.

I think that is the biggest difference so far in this matchup. Checking the JQ recruitment thread, I don’t really see any large euro guilds playing in that time slot for JQ. Votf from SOS actually is the largest euro guild in that time zone. However, if the SEA group from JQ is willing to stay up that late, it gives a perception of them having lots of euro players playing at that time zone. That is something that SOS used to do – oceanics playing late to make other servers think they also have superior SEA coverage. And it is also the main reason why they were #1 for so long. Not sure why they have stopped doing that.

The agenda from the original post is very obvious, especially if you also take into the account of what servers he has been on and what server he claims to be on.

I think anyone who has spent a good number of hours in wvw will understand that the first few hours of reset is the worst time for any organized guild to get all their members in. Hence, the first few hours is a poor indication of how well the server will do for the week. It’s almost like a crap shoot. Whichever server lucky enough to get most of their regular guild members in will tend to do the best.

Most weekdays during NA prime, there are queues on all borderland maps for all 3 servers and the ppt for the 3 servers are relatively close.

There were talks of “it” happening this reset. And we see “it” happen this week.

kefro.9312:

I was Jqq and paid transfer to SoR because i saw them with outmaned buff

You were on BG when the the matchup was BG/SBI/JQ 3 months ago. Then you went to SOS after BG dropped to tier 2. Now, you’re on SOR? Why do you pretend that you were on JQ?

celeron.3469:

I read the bolded bit and rather than make it obvious I insinuated that you could just transfer to another server. I’m on SoS, the “stacked server.” Our queues are nothing like the complaints JQ and SoR have been giving. I’m not saying you guys are stacked, but we both know you (SoR) have a huge NA population and nobody can deny that. SoS does not have a gigantic NA population nor does it have a gigantic oceanic population (in comparison to others in the oceanic timezone it is yeah, but its not that large in the overall scale).

So why does SoS not have as many problems with the current situation? Partly because it benefits us (even match) and partly because we don’t have a huge enough population to be hindered too badly by it.

Also to the last question: JQ would be rolling both of our servers by about 30k right about now, if it wasn’t for the queue bug.

I’m not trying to be a jerk or trash anybody, if it comes off that way then sorry.

SOS is the unofficial oceanic server. No server comes close to SOS in that time slot. If you visit any australian gw2 forum, you will see the name SOS plastered everywhere.
If you think that you do not have a lot of oceanic players even though SOS is the unofficial oceanic server, then imagine how many players are on the other server during that time zone.

Will.9785:

I haven’t seen very many people playing for JQ all weekend. Queue times have been nearly non existent and we are lucky to have 1 commander per map. EB had 0 commanders for a very long time today. I’m amazed we’ve been able to keep it as close as we have. It’s been a near ghost town all weekend.

I think the queue bug is part of the problem. The queue times are very inconsistent. Some say they’re waiting 40 min to get into a borderland, while another person trying to get into the same borderland takes 5 min. Hmm.. now you’re making me wonder if the new queue priority system takes account of the hours a player has been in wvw. For example, if a player has been in wvw for 1 hour already and another person who has not, and both queue up, it’ll give priority the person who has not been in wvw yet.

Ballads.2509:

jojojoon.8607:

Ballads.2509:

This^ JQ honestly has this match won. They just got the numbers game won. Their 24/7 is coverage crazy. Sure SoS and SoR can keep these zerg and zerg buster squads going at all hours during the weekend but only JQ can keep them going all week long. JQs guild list is just so long that if only 1-2 from each guild plays during their “off-peak” hours they can fields full zergs effortlessly with no coverage gaps. That is what wins Matches.

I see that you are on SOS. With this post saying JQ has this match won, does it mean you have given up on the fight already when it hasn’t been 3 days old yet? Or is it again those “mind games” posts? Player pretends to be on another server and posts trolling posts to put down other servers or brag about a server he/she is not on…

Sorry wasn’t pretending to be anywhere. Just saying JQ’s weekday coverage is such if you cant gain a huge lead and/or break their pug moral by Sunday i really don’t think they can be beat. I will never give up fighting, nor will most of sos, but i just know the enemy we are facing. If SoS or SoR can pull a win out of this match up it be very impressive. JQ’s mon-thur 24 hour coverage is hard to counter.

Not trying to pick on your post but what you’re saying is a little contradicting. You said “I really don’t think they can be beat” and then say “I will never give up.” If you don’t think that they can be beat, then it means you essentially have given up. If you have not given up, then then it means you think that there’s still a chance to beat them.

The match is not even 3 days old. Scores are all close. All 3 servers have a chance to win. Just go out in wvw and fight. No need to play mind games on the forums.

Ballads.2509:

This^ JQ honestly has this match won. They just got the numbers game won. Their 24/7 is coverage crazy. Sure SoS and SoR can keep these zerg and zerg buster squads going at all hours during the weekend but only JQ can keep them going all week long. JQs guild list is just so long that if only 1-2 from each guild plays during their “off-peak” hours they can fields full zergs effortlessly with no coverage gaps. That is what wins Matches.

I see that you are on SOS. With this post saying JQ has this match won, does it mean you have given up on the fight already when it hasn’t been 3 days old yet? Or is it again those “mind games” posts? Player pretends to be on another server and posts trolling posts to put down other servers or brag about a server he/she is not on…

GottFaust.5297:

Something huge that you people keep missing. They put in the “NEW” culling system with Monday’s patch. You know, the one that aggressively culls ALLIED PLAYERS to allow you to see the enemy faster. As a quick experiment I jumped into EB and joined up with a 30ish man zerg. During the average fight I was only able to see 10 or so of my allies. That’s a full 2/3rds or 20 allied players that I COULD NOT see.

The queues are due to a large number of people playing Wv3 on your respective servers. The fact that you don’t see many allies is due to the fact that a full 2/3rds of them aren’t rendering for you on account of the culling changes.

If that is the case then the queue times should have stayed the same on the lower tier servers. However, that is not true. Many from lower tier servers have noticed a huge difference in the queue times going from 5 min to 1+ hour or 15 min to 3+ hours. If it’s just simply players not seeing their allies then the queue time should not have changed.

Also, this culling fix of rendering the enemies first has been tested for 1 week in the past. However, there were no complaints back then. Furthermore, when you run in a group with no enemies nearby, then shouldn’t the new change have no effect? The change was just to render the enemies first but if you have no enemies around then you should still be able to see roughly the same as before.

gebrechen.5643:

I’m in the queue for JQ borderlands for over 75 minutes now. Maybe it’s full, but I never had this since last fall after release.

From the what people are saying on the forum, it’s not full. The maps are half empty with around 20 to 40 people – definitely not the normal numbers.

A new conspiracy theory that has been floating around:

Some players are now saying that the queue has been intentionally lowered after the end of free transfers. This way it forces players who love to wvw and are stuck in 1+ hour longs queues to pay money to buy gems to transfer to the bottom tier with no queue.

If that is true then every map would roughly have the same number of people. However, this is not the case. Some have reported that they have around 30ish people while the other server has a lot more. Plus, in a tier 1 where there are more people who wvw, the number should be a lot higher. People from tier 1 are reporting the max on some maps is 30 people. I just don’t believe that during prime time on a weekend, there is a server in tier 1 that cannot field more than 30 people on a map. Some guilds can easily put more than 30 people on 1 map.

Hmmm… I’m not sure why Fractals would affect WvW. I’m thinking it could be either be guesting or the culling change that might have bugged the wvw queue.

Just wondering.. Why was the original post infracted? The post seems to be asking a legit question regarding an issue with the queue.

buki.3108:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Willing-to-share-WvW-details/first

“We have heard multiple reports for months about people being queued for a map and entering it only to have the outmanned buff, but unfortunately we’ve never been able to verify ways that could be occurring. I’m not saying it isn’t happening, but we haven’t ever been able to reproduce the problem, and if we can’t reproduce the core problem, it makes it basically impossible for us to find and fix the bug”

This is 22 days old tho :/

Thanks for the link.

The problem seems to have gotten worse. Instead of just 1 or 2 servers being affected, it has been reported that multiple servers form both EU and NA are affected. Guilds are trying to get players into wvw but they can’t. Players on the map are posting in chat asking people to go in to help since they are have about 20 on the map but the players who want to help have to wait 1+ hour before they can get in. And it’s not just one map – all borderland maps and EB map are affected.

Something must have changed in the recent patch to have made this queue issue worse. I did not notice so many people talking about this queue issue until the last couple of days which is around the time of the most recent patch.

Can you locate the thread?

Wow, that is not good. If they can’t fix it, we can’t go in wvw. Some servers have outmanned buff and still can’t get people in…

That’s different from what I read though. I think an Anet dev said in the past that a map can hold about 500 players, thus allowing each server to hold up to 166 players. If this has changed, and the system is not capping how much a server can field on the map, then I see it as a bug. It really doesn’t make sense to allow a server to field 500 players which caps the the map limit and not allowing any players from the other 2 servers to get in.

Many servers including the ones in lower tiers have been noticing an issue with the WvW queue. For some reason, even though a map can have less than 25 players, there’s still a 1+ hour queue to get in. Some players have also noticed a map having a queue while they have outmanned buff (less than 10 players on the map).

This issue started happening after the recent patch. Could it be that the culling change is the cause of this? Player model is cached and not properly cleaned up so a “shadow” remains on the map for hours even though they leave the map? Map cap is changed to be dynamic based on players from other server but there is a bug? Players who are guesting trying to enter wvw which still counts towards the server they are guesting?

Nuked.2360:

jojojoon.8607:

RainbowMacaw.5163:

It is sad that all these strong guilds transfered to JQ. I play on JQ server since I bought the game and to be honest, the wvwvw became not fun at all. I am not a heavy wvwvw player, but sometimes I enjoy running around the map and taking over camps and keeps. However, what all these players flooding into JQ brought are a very long queue time (including borderlands) and an unbalanced match. Now, whenever I want to roll in wvwvw, I have to wait 30min+ for getting into borderland and 1hr+ for EB. When I finally get in, the maps are all blue and I have nothing to do. (I usually roam in BL)
I really miss large zerg battles between servers and not 30+ JQ players stomping over 15 players…

btw I love all you people who fought hard for JQ

What time zone do you play? From what I heard, during NA prime, borderland maps’ queues were 5 min and EB was 15 minutes.

BG appears to still be fighting strong even though they lack the coverage in oceanic prime time. SOS appears to have given up either because players are taking breaks, natural disasters in australia, desire to be in tier 2 or what not… With essentially just JQ and BG fighting most of the time, during time zones when BG lacks coverage, JQ has been able to not only just gain points but to double the points since they were able to take over whatever SOS has without resistance. In the past, SOS was able to hold JQ in check during these time zones.

We had longer que’s during reset and the weekend when excitement was extremely high with full guilds and what not.

Reset and weekends usually have longer queues. That’s understandable since most players play wvw during those times. Weekday queues are about 15 min in EB and 5 min in border (none most of the time).

RainbowMacaw.5163:

It is sad that all these strong guilds transfered to JQ. I play on JQ server since I bought the game and to be honest, the wvwvw became not fun at all. I am not a heavy wvwvw player, but sometimes I enjoy running around the map and taking over camps and keeps. However, what all these players flooding into JQ brought are a very long queue time (including borderlands) and an unbalanced match. Now, whenever I want to roll in wvwvw, I have to wait 30min+ for getting into borderland and 1hr+ for EB. When I finally get in, the maps are all blue and I have nothing to do. (I usually roam in BL)
I really miss large zerg battles between servers and not 30+ JQ players stomping over 15 players…

btw I love all you people who fought hard for JQ

What time zone do you play? From what I heard, during NA prime, borderland maps’ queues were 5 min and EB was 15 minutes.

BG appears to still be fighting strong even though they lack the coverage in oceanic prime time. SOS appears to have given up either because players are taking breaks, natural disasters in australia, desire to be in tier 2 or what not… With essentially just JQ and BG fighting most of the time, during time zones when BG lacks coverage, JQ has been able to not only just gain points but to double the points since they were able to take over whatever SOS has without resistance. In the past, SOS was able to hold JQ in check during these time zones.

Liquid.9672:

Sorry, I’m a bit thick in the head, but what exactly did you call?

Based on his quote, he said BG will lose rating points and drop to tier 2. It looks like his prediction will most likely happen since SOS is gaining points on BG. I think once the transfer deadline passes, SOS will field their full force and overtake BG. BG will probably end up 3rd with SOS and JQ battling for 1st.

I turn my sound quality to Fastest instead of Highest Quality, musical interval to Shorter instead of Longer, and mixing buffer size to Most Stable. That made it a lot better now. I went from it crashing once a day to once every few weeks.

Squads are useless at the moment. The only time I heard of it being used is hide pins on the map.

Did anyone buy like hundreds of these things and now are stuck with them?

I’m not sure if this is possible but what about having the length of the buff be based on how many people attacking him. If it’s a zerg, it’ll be the full length. If it’s just a small group then it could be less.

Desolation is a good server since they’re usually in tier 1 or tier 2.