Guild Wars 2

Burst all the way. Condition takes time to apply and there is too much condition removal.

Why aren’t you giving the blueprints that you don’t need to people in wvw that may need them?

I think it’s fine. If a server is strong enough, they should be able to jump tiers. No point in having a server go through weeks of fighting when we all know they belong in the higher tier.

I was thinking.. What about only allowing ressing when you are out of combat. That way zergs can’t really do quick res on fallen allies during a huge battle.

In a game called Vindictus, there is an option to only see other characters in robes.

Mesmers for their portals and elems for their aoe.

Right now it shows SOR as the 2nd rank team with BG dropping to tier 2.

MithranArkanere.8957:

The main problem with them is not how strong they are, but how fast you can spam them, and how many of them you can get.
Even if you take them out of WvW, they are still too much.

So they should make two changes for them, and for all combat-oriented consumables for that matter, including those that summon things.
First, require you to equip them in 1 of 4 lots (F5 to F8) to use, giving you a skill. Then give a skill a proper cooldown, so you can’t spam them.
Second, something like what I suggested here so one can’t get several stacks of them in one go (they are soulbound, so no trades).

I agree with this. The fact that it has no cooldown makes them overpowering.

BlueBulb.3497:

Xinthai.6175:

Why would a server with 350+ people go to a server that already has full queue times? I’m confused.

I’d push either Blackgate, or TC for more potential transfers. I love you toasties. Unfortunately, it’s looking like we’ll have to fight you again soon.

(I’m on Blackgate.)

Decision not make by me alone.
Moreover we have familiar faces in JQ that were previously from CD. (AGGR/Val)

If this is the decision on why the EDMW is moving to JQ, then I am all for it. GW2 is essentially a game in which you play with your friends. If most of their friends from AGGR and Val are in JQ and the main reason for the move to JQ is so that they can play with them, then I don’t see a problem with it. Plus, from what I gather, EDMW is a guild from Singapore. They should fit in nicely in the oceanic/sea time slot, a time zone that JQ still currently lacks as mentioned by RawNoodles.

Cakewalk.3620:

The rush to transfer has obviously been done with lack of foresight.

SoS and JQ both got big bumps in population after guesting/paid transfer date was announced. BG got little until late this week and in my opinion still got less then the other 2 so far.

As for that person claiming PR spin and mind games. Get a grip, the points from the last 2 weeks showed clearly BG is still the underdog based on lack of coverage which we STILL suffer from.

Ah, but this week, BG is in 2nd place with a very comfortable lead over SOS. Could it be that BG has better coverage than SOS? Or did you guys get major wvw guilds that tipped that power balance towards your side?

However, since you used previous week’s scores and recruitment results to back up your claim, thenI may agree with you that BG is still underdogs compared to SOS and JQ.

Sunspots.9861:

You are t1, you are all stacked. Its like the kardashian sisters arguing who is dumber.

It’s all mind games at the moment with the servers in tier 1 arguing who’s stacked and who’s not. You have to throw out this week’s matchup and evaluate based on previous weeks’ history to really know the situation in tier 1.

JQ
How many times have they won the last 10 weeks? If they did won, any particular reasons why they won that week? What major wvw guilds transferred to that server? Are the guilds staying there?

SOS
How many times have they won the last 10 weeks? Did they win last week? Any major wvw guilds transferred there? Why is there such a low turnout in wvw this weekend which is affecting their score? Have they ever been in 3rd place over the weekend?

BG
How many times have they won since they got back to tier 1? What were their places in those matchups? How many major wvw guilds transferred there? Are they underdogs compared to JQ and SOS?

I hope everyone understands that it’s ALL MIND GAMES AT THIS POINT WHILE WE WAIT FOR FREE TRANSFER TO END.

SOS wants everyone to think their server is always undermanned and that JQ and BG have more people to persuade the last batch of transfers to go to their server.

JQ wants everyone to think that they still need more transfers.

BG wants everyone to think they’re the underdogs and need more players to go to their server.

My suggestion to everyone is to throw out this weekend’s point total and evaluate based on past weeks’ history and opinions of people not from tier 1 since this week’s matchup (which is a few days to the free transfer deadline) may be manipulated by the servers in tier 1 to get you to go there.

kfarb.6732:

Sounds like SoS needs another recruitment thread.

BINGO!!! JQ and BG are the bullies. They have more players in wvw. We are the underdogs. We barely field 1 full map in wvw. SOS needs you.

elderan.2638:

This talk about a holiday confuses me. Last time I checked, if you get the day off of work/school then you have more time to play, not less.

True, if I have no work or school, I can problem play a bit during the morning or afternoon. Last week, there was a public holiday in US (martin luther king) and I noticed more people on.

Tobias Steele.2071:

Actinotus.6410:

MingYew.8521:

HAHAHA, SOS just prepare to lose and drop tier. We, JQ are sure to win and keep on crushing you no matter what. Even ppl from SBI hate you guys that they come to us and help us to crush you.

Good job JQ, we’re number one.

Edit: I forgot, even PRX come to us.

Be careful of gloating before you win the thing – otherwise you could just look dumb if you don’t win.

And as others have posted, yesterday was Australia Day and so fewer aussies were on (who form much of the strength of SoS). The score will look different by the end of the weekend.

Nice to have some strong competition out there

He’s making himself look foolish regardless of whether jq do indeed win or not.

Problem is he’s not even from JQ. Check his post history. He made that post pretending to be on JQ.

Tobias Steele.2071:

jojojoon.8607:

Ohai.8346:

JaredKincade.9761:

Ohai.8346:

Kirbyprime.2645:

Problem is, their overall weekly coverage is fairly high so they can chase and surpass BG easily enough. That is, assuming that BG didn’t get some major guild infusion.

I wouldn’t bet on SoS dropping to T2 until Thursday night.

SoS has never been stacked, we always had 1 map close to empty and 1 half full. BG brought in 3 big guilds this week, and JQ around 13 major guilds.
The competition is not possible for SoS now and our numbers can not compete with those of the recruit servers.
Gonna be a borefest for JQ for the next forever when the transfer locks hit on Monday. They overkilled it, simple as that. All they needed was a couple solid guilds, not 13+
HoD 2.0 just like prx said on their internal forums that they were going to create, they dislike competition only winning no matter the costs.

How many guilds did SoS bring in? I can think of several, but I am no expert.

We brought in 1 asian guild and 1 european guild, both timezones we had zero guilds in prior to these 2. So now we have 1 guild covering each timezone.

You forgot that SOS also gained PTX and TRA. That’s 4 guilds total which equals what BG received. Please don’t try to use selective memory or twist facts to try to “trick” others to believe SOS is not a stack server in regards to wvw. If you’re new to SOS, let me help you by listing their wvw community:

AFS
DIE
HLX
MERC
OCX
ONE
pW
TS
Agg
ATac
DM
Dop
DR
Fang
FoE
Free
LEM
Ons
Tsym
VI
Work
Zn
Votf
ND
PTX
TRA

lol… I got finger cramps typing that huge list of wvw guilds in SOS.

You do realise most of those guilds you named are either really small or pvx with pve focus, but dont let that get in the way of the jade quarry propaganda train.

Likewise for other guilds in other servers. Don’t assume every guild in other servers are hardcore wvw guilds either. Plus, I don’t think every guild that has transferred to JQ or BG are major guilds with 100+ wvw players. Some are probably more pve more than wvw. Some are probably not even 1/3 of the size of MERC.

If I recall correctly SOS posters were the ones saying they have the the most wvw guilds of any server in NA a few weeks ago. I don’t see how that has changed when they have CONTINUED TO WIN #1 since then AND HAVE ADDED GUILDS during the recruitment process.

Bankzilla.2984:

Love how when ever oceanics have a public holiday/ break the SoS scores drop majorly, last time it happened was new years and SoS lost that week. But in saying that oceanics spend 5+ days partying for new years. Shows how much the oceanics make up the SoS community.

Don’t count us out yet, some of us New Zealanders have Monday off also.

Btw the glicko rating is rarely bad when the points are low because the difference in points factor is much highier. So don’t expect to see SoS lose 50+ like you’re expecting.

^ A lot of those guilds are very minor or don’t even play often, one I know personally being pW, these guys be lucky to play once a week and field like 10? That list you gave was 26 guilds, JQ received 13 MAJOR guilds. So pretty much JQ just got more than half of SoS’s wvw community?

Ohai tends to twist facts in his argument so I wouldn’t really believe that 13 MAJOR guilds going to JQ. By major, I’m assuming 50+ wvw players per guild. He said there were 2 guilds going to SOS when it was really 4. He said SOS is more of a pve server and that BG and JQ field more people than SOS in wvw which aren’t true at all. If I recall correctly he said JQ > BG > SOS right after SOS won previous matchups with SOS beating BG by more than 50k points. Does that make any sense to you?

Ohai.8346:

JaredKincade.9761:

Ohai.8346:

Kirbyprime.2645:

Problem is, their overall weekly coverage is fairly high so they can chase and surpass BG easily enough. That is, assuming that BG didn’t get some major guild infusion.

I wouldn’t bet on SoS dropping to T2 until Thursday night.

SoS has never been stacked, we always had 1 map close to empty and 1 half full. BG brought in 3 big guilds this week, and JQ around 13 major guilds.
The competition is not possible for SoS now and our numbers can not compete with those of the recruit servers.
Gonna be a borefest for JQ for the next forever when the transfer locks hit on Monday. They overkilled it, simple as that. All they needed was a couple solid guilds, not 13+
HoD 2.0 just like prx said on their internal forums that they were going to create, they dislike competition only winning no matter the costs.

How many guilds did SoS bring in? I can think of several, but I am no expert.

We brought in 1 asian guild and 1 european guild, both timezones we had zero guilds in prior to these 2. So now we have 1 guild covering each timezone.

You forgot that SOS also gained PTX and TRA. That’s 4 guilds total which equals what BG received. Please don’t try to use selective memory or twist facts to try to “trick” others to believe SOS is not a stack server in regards to wvw. If you’re new to SOS, let me help you by listing their wvw community:

AFS
DIE
HLX
MERC
OCX
ONE
pW
TS
Agg
ATac
DM
Dop
DR
Fang
FoE
Free
LEM
Ons
Tsym
VI
Work
Zn
Votf
ND
PTX
TRA

lol… I got finger cramps typing that huge list of wvw guilds in SOS.

DeadlyRush.1620:

SoS started as PvE server remember that. So our moral and zerging mostly come with the help from random PvE guilds. JQ is a more full fledged WvW to me. They started as a WvW server and keep it in tier 1.

What do you mean by act? What advantage will that get me. Im in no way representing SoS. Just stating the fact as you can see in score and screenshot. Even the SBI scout said. JQ is a better WvW server. SoS the moral is on the PvErs. Thats my experience. So i say congratz on number 1 JQ. If you don’t want my congratulations it is find its just me congratulation not the whole of SoS or BG.

What you’re saying makes no sense. How is JQ the #1 server? You simply can’t call a server #1 when they haven’t even won yet. SOS has been #1 for like 8 out of 9 weeks? Heck, they even won last week. JQ and BG have lost the last few matchups against SOS. They are still the underdogs with SOS being the undisputed #1 server. You can’t argue that since the matchup results back up this fact.

JQ is leading right now on a 2nd day of a week’s long matchup, same as when BG was leading during the weekend when they they entered tier 1. As we all know, weekly matchup isn’t won during the weekend. That’s why there are 7 days in a week.

Furthermore, SOS is a wvw server. I don’t know how it suddenly changed to that SOS’s wvw performance and success lie with the morale of their PVE players. If you look back at other weeks’ matchup threads, you can see many SOS posters claiming that their success in wvw lies in the fact that they have a stacked group of guilds with hardcore wvw players who are willing to go spend many hours to ensure they are #1. But now, SOS is saying that’s not true and the success lies with the PVE players? That again makes no sense and contradicts with what has been said by countless SOS players on the forum for many weeks.

Decklan.7540:

Is this really how a server that has taken first every week except ONE acts when they are down in points?

It’s very hard to trust what each server says in terms of how many players they have. SOS will always think they don’t have a zerg and that the enemy has more people, likewise for JQ and BG. However, here is a post at guildwars2guru.com from an SBI player who scouted BOTH SOS and JQ servers while deciding which server to join, and I think his post is very telling on the numbers of each server.

What I got from this post is that SOS has a “zerging” mentality. Even though the numbers are fairly equal on both sides in a particular time zone (NA for example), if SOS doesn’t feel that they can outzerg their opponents, they probably won’t fight. This “zerging” mentality makes SOS have the illusions that their opponents may be double the size (10vs20) even though the numbers may actually be the same (10v10). Eventually, it becomes a snowball effect from players not willing to take the first step forward in a battle if they don’t outzerg their opponents to not even willing to log in.

For example.. in a 10v10 fight between JQ and SOS, if only 5 SOS players are willing to step forward to fight while the other 5 runs away since they feel they can’t “outzerg” their opponents, and on the JQ side, ALL 10 are willing to step out to fight, the fight will end up being a 10v5 battle with JQ overpowering SOS in numbers.

Quote:

Just as expected… The NA timezone for JQ is quite competitive against SOS. What I do like more about JQ when compared to SOS is people seem to back down less in open field combat even when heavily outnumbered. In SOS, I remember having to always wait for the zerg before moving forward otherwise, I’m one of the few knuckleheads dead in middle of nowhere. My play time is usually around PST and kind of overlaps into the Oceanic time. JQ really do lack the NA PST & Oceanic coverage and don’t seem to have any really large guild except for EMP that I see a lot of for today. I can feel the difference already. At first glance, I may have thought JQ was heavily overstacked, but after officially being on both side, I may be wrong… Even if I’m wrong, I think I’m enjoying JQ more at the moment. It was quite interesting and fun to go against a larger force and see so many more badges without relying on JP all the time like before.

UrFortuneCookie.4816:

jojojoon.8607:

MagiKarp.8201:

the boss.7308:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuD0UP836po

I was not the person that took the video but i found it on youtube. I will take my infraction or whatever Anet decides to give me with pride. If they actually decided to fix these issues we wouldnt be having this problem. Here we Have FOE SOS Guild or Not FOE hacking into bay. I feel this guild needs to be publicly humiliated they hacked our bay with several people watching them. So watch out for FOE guys mad hackers with no skill

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Portal_Entre

Maybe you need to look this skill up and play some more WvW before you make accusations, enjoy the infractions.

It’s like you’ve never heard of a Mesmer before, are there mesmers on your server?

Only question I have now is.. If there was a mesmer hiding inside lord’s room who can portal people in, why the heck did SOS attack the gate for such a long time (it was actually taken down to 10%)? That part just didn’t seem to make any sense if there was a mesmer inside.

Baited. Thats all, we do tactics. Just think about it =/

Wait, let me get this right. You think it’s good tactics to wait a few minutes to take the gate down to 10% while more BG rushes in to the keep to defend rather than just to have the mesmer rush out and port everyone in to kill the lord with just a few BG defending?

This is a serious question since if I deem it to be a good tactic, i will attempt to use it in the future. So, let’s say I am leading a group of about 25 people and there is a memser in the lord’s room who can port my group in. There is about 3 people in the lord’s room defending. So, I instruct my group to attack the gate for about 5 minutes to allow 25 of my enemies to rush into the lord’s room to defend, build siege, etc. Then, I tell the memser to port my group in to fight the 25 people who are in the room now with siege instead of the 3 that were there initially.

JaredKincade.9761:

I’m not even sure what this means LOL. You have to get 2nd place before you get 1st place. We fight and take stuff from whoever we think we can take stuff from. Thats the bottom line. If you think all the commanders of BG across all 24 hours got together and were like “hmm this week, lets not try to go up in rating” your out of your mind. We’ll take rating from JQ or SoS we don’t play politics, we play GW2.

Stop trying to put a bad spin on BG using some trumped up “playing for second” quack theory whenever a JQ tower turns red.

I’m just responding to a post that’s suggesting BG to play for 2nd place. My point is that if BG does play for 2nd, it may actually hurt them in recruiting. My suggestion is pretty much what you’re saying, and it is to fight both servers so that BG has a shot at first place.

Here is an example. If you’re going to pick a server to join, which server would you pick when the final score of each server is this:

Server A 200,000
Server B 60,000
Server C 50,000

Now, if these are the scores, who would you pick?

Server A 110,000
Server B 100,000
Server C 90,000

First scenario is server B and C taking points from each other to allow A to build a huge lead. Second scenario is all 3 servers fighting each other with the goal of taking 1st. It ends with all servers having similar scores and the 3rd place server still having a shot at first place heading towards the end of the week.

Kunagisa.7361:

jojojoon.8607:

I’m not sure if you even believe what you are typing. Are you trying to tell BG to play for second? You do know that any server that plays for second place WILL NEVER win 1st place right?

What’s wrong with playing for second when your server’s recruiting? If you show you have staying power it helps the recruiting process. Playing for second for one week is fine, nobody’s telling BG to play for second forever.

In fact, isn’t that one of the things that JQ’s proud of? Being in T1 since the beginning?

If I’m a leader of a PVE guild that wants casual wvw, I would probably join the bottom tiers. If I’m a leader of a competitive wvw guild, I would look at the servers on the top tier. Would I choose a server that gives up easily and plays for 2nd place or would I choose a server that may not be as strong as their competition but has a “never give up” attitude and willing to fight for 1st place?

Kaineng is probably not as strong as any of the tier 1 servers at the moment but guilds are transferring there. Why? Their goal is to be the best server. In other words, they’re always playing for 1st place.

Playing for 2nd place this week may actually hurt BG’s chances to recruit since many of the top guilds may see them as a server that gives up easily.

Thobek.1730:

JaredKincade.9761:

Black Gate is in the exact same boat, except you guys also picked up Never Die.

We picked up no one. On top of that SOR picked up the vast majority of what was left of SBI and we are getting squeezed between you guys. If SoR stayed the way it was and actually earned its rise in rating by gaining rating against SBI without the transfers, BG would have stayed in tier 1 for weeks, as it stands we will get pushed to tier 2 this week or next.

As bad as it seems for your first place team, its about 10x worse for us.

if you do ever drop to T2 its because you’re not playing to your strengths. By having less numbers than the other two servers in tier but large enough to make an impact you could of focused on one server and slipped into second place.

It happened in the weekend but then you stopped focusing on JQ and therefore slipped to 3rd.

You don’t have to have the greater numbers to make an impact you can simply align yourself with another force. Its WvWvW afterall.

But its a little too late for that now.

I’m not sure if you even believe what you are typing. Are you trying to tell BG to play for second? You do know that any server that plays for second place WILL NEVER win 1st place right?

Leo Paul.1659:

jojojoon.8607:

Leo Paul.1659:

We can also say that the stealth portal bomb tactic is ‘maximizing a feature to full efficacy’ and not as “abusing an exploit” instead. Some of us talk about it as if it is immoral or unethical when in fact, its nature is very subjective. It’s just like when thieves ‘abuse’ stealth, we don’t like it when we are on the receiving end. The difference here though is on the effect (advantage) on balance in comparison to other professions. The portal bomb tactic however, can be employed by all guilds equally.

I do see a difference. A portal bomb can be used tactically to attack behind an enemy. The side affect of the portal bomb is culling abuse. However, there are methods such as running through a doorway or running out from behind a building in large group that are being used just to abuse the culling. There really is no strategic advantage to running through a doorway other than to exploit the culling. Heck, you can even say it’s a disadvantage strategically since the other side with less people can use the doorway as a choke point. However, the significant advantage from exploiting the culling outweighs the disadvantage of a smaller group using the doorway as a choke point. Hence, large guilds like Tsym who is well known for this will continue to use it.

Ok so what you mean is that some people are better at using a tactic than others. I agree with that. Tactics are meant to gain an advantage. Though what you said is true that its success is situational.

Portal bombing behind an enemy is a tactic. Running through a doorway is not a tactic. It is just abusing the culling. Would anyone even do that if there is no culling? Probably not since the other side with less people can use it as a choke point. However, would people still portal bomb behind an enemy when culling is fixed? Of course since it’s a legit tactic. That’s the difference.

Leo Paul.1659:

We can also say that the stealth portal bomb tactic is ‘maximizing a feature to full efficacy’ and not as “abusing an exploit” instead. Some of us talk about it as if it is immoral or unethical when in fact, its nature is very subjective. It’s just like when thieves ‘abuse’ stealth, we don’t like it when we are on the receiving end. The difference here though is on the effect (advantage) on balance in comparison to other professions. The portal bomb tactic however, can be employed by all guilds equally.

I do see a difference. A portal bomb can be used tactically to attack behind an enemy. The side affect of the portal bomb is culling abuse. However, there are methods such as running through a doorway or running out from behind a building in large group that are being used just to abuse the culling. There really is no strategic advantage to running through a doorway other than to exploit the culling. Heck, you can even say it’s a disadvantage strategically since the other side with less people can use the doorway as a choke point. However, the significant advantage from exploiting the culling outweighs the disadvantage of a smaller group using the doorway as a choke point. Hence, large guilds like Tsym who is well known for this will continue to use it.

morrolan.9608:

jojojoon.8607:

You do know the there is a guild called Tsym that does this thing called “culling bomb” where they hide behind a building with a large group and then all rush out towards the enemy to exploit the culling.

I’ve seen all 3 servers do it.

That is my exact point. All three servers have been doing it but why is it an issue now? His reason that a server may win this week is all because of culling.

electricblues.1059:

I hope you guys at JQ are proud of your victory, too bad you have to exploit potions that cause culling to get it. At 4:30 pm est at SoS garrison the zerg was about half made of up players using the ascalonian mage ghost potion. And no one could figure out how their zerg could disappear in such a small area, well that’s how. I didn’t even see them until I was dead.

Again, congratulations on exploiting culling to win, that’s really impressive.

You do know the there is a guild called Tsym that does this thing called “culling bomb” where they hide behind a building with a large group and then all rush out towards the enemy to exploit the culling.

Kore wa Sparta.3750:

“A-net, give us guesting please!”
Months of whining and complaining about no new content later
“You’re giving us what we want but we want more!”
Babies.

I think majority of the people envisioned guesting to allow players to switch to any server. This version isn’t even what the players wanted so I don’t think you can say that Anet has given what the players wanted.

With this current limitation with guesting, I rather they not even put this in the game. That way, I can still transfer to another region’s server to play with my friends when I want to without have to pay any fees.

I think Anet’s goal with guesting is just to try to make more money by forcing players to buy gems. I agree with another poster’s comment that “guesting” is essentially “world transfers” but with a fee tacked on.

Liquid.9672:

Please guys. Let them have their thread, like many other servers do. No need for negative comments. If they want to recruit then let them I say. They obviously have their goals and reasons, like many servers do, so I think it’s fair to leave it at that.

A game with no competition is a boring game. HOD broke up for this main reason.

I don’t understand why the server currently with the biggest zerg in NA wants a even BIGGER ZERG. Isn’t it be boring already running around in groups of 60+ players like headless chickens beating up groups of 5 players? Now, you want to run around in groups of 90+ players?

Wait 5 seconds….Take portal, it’s ready.. Spam all your skills since you don’t see anyone anyways.. Rinse and repeat..

Jedahs.2713:

jojojoon.8607:

Players making up of these guilds don’t even need to be convinced to go wvw, they’ll do it on their own.

You are correct sir.

Stop trying to find fault in that fact.

Good. Then you agree that I am right and AIMonter is wrong. Glad we cleared it up.

Jedahs.2713:

jojojoon.8607:

It is easy to motivate people to show up in wvw when the server has an influx of wvw-oriented guild transfers. Guilds like AGG and DIE who transferred to Sos only play gw2 for the wvw aspect of the game, so it is not difficult to get them to show up in wvw. If Sos did not have these transfers and was still able to get their massive force from just their native players, then they can make the claim that they are better than other servers at getting PVE players to show up in wvw.

If SOS didn’t have guilds like AGG and DiE we would still be in tier 5. What’s your point?

Let me see…. RUIN, thai and HB, all famous WvW guilds…. all BG natives? Come on….

No server is pure virgin anymore.

And I believe also Tsym, Work, etc.. Almost 75% of Sos’s wvw population is made up of wvw-oriented guild transfers. My point is that these transfers provide insane coverage for Sos. Players making up of these guilds don’t even need to be convinced to go wvw, they’ll do it on their own. Other servers’s wvw population, on the other hand, are made up of mostly native players which are mostly PVE players going in to get a few kills or a couple of badges. And if things aren’t going right, they’ll leave immediately. And it is very unlikely that they will put in 10+ hours in wvw or stay up to 3am when wvw isn’t the main reason why they’re playing gw2.

If Sos didn’t have these transfers and is still a full server, then shouldn’t they still be in tier 1 and not tier 5? If all it takes is to convince pve players to show up in wvw as AIMonster claims — a management skill that Sos server has that other servers don’t.

An analogy of what AIMonster is saying: I don’t understand why is it so difficult for you guys to convince 10 people at a buffet restaurant to go work out when I can easily convince 10 people at the gym’s parking lot to work out. Both places are full and have 20 people.

AIMonster.8236:

When complaining about coverage gaps we should keep a few things in mind.

- Every server in Tier 1 is full almost 24/7, so they should have relatively the same amount of people playing per server.
- Sea of Sorrows has no major EU guilds that I personally know of, and we have a huge coverage gap in EU time. We make up for this by our Aussies staying up late and our NA players logging in early to fill this gap.
- Sea of Sorrows, especially early on or when we risk losing puts out ABPs in Lion’s Arch and other major PvE areas to try to fill lack of map coverage with militia. My suggestion would be to encourage your server to get out and WvW more.
- Sea of Sorrows has multiple alliances of dedicated WvW guilds and very large WvW oriented guilds so we probably have a better ratio of WvW players to PvE players.
- Sea of Sorrows can only field all 4 maps during Friday night resets. During NA primetime there are usually no queues across any maps because we have good coverage spread. We assign specific guilds to maps and move forces around as needed. We are not fully covering all the maps all the time, it just seems that way because we are more effectively spreading our forces around.

We’re also adapting to your strategies. The first night the AoI alliance was having problems with the HB guild and heavy use of stacking which we haven’t seen for quite a while (since Tier 2 and IoJ/SoR I think). As we were encountering it more and more we quickly developed counter methods. For example HB is not effectively using their large force to defend against multi-pronged attacks similar to WM they can only be present in one area of the map at a time because they run together and almost never split their force. Splitting our forces and attacking multi points at once prevented HB from being able to effectively defend fast enough on that map. I won’t go into other strategies we used, just that obvious one, but there was more to the method of dealing with HB in particular (and other BG guilds use much of the same tactics). HB is a very strong guild, and sometimes flat out avoiding them is the best approach.

It’s very easy to talk about how much more organized and skilled JQ/BG compared to SoS, but part of our organization and skill is due to being able to effectively manage coverage and get people motivated to show up and do WvW. Remember we are all working with the same amount of players on our servers since we are always “Full”.

It is easy to motivate people to show up in wvw when the server has an influx of wvw-oriented guild transfers. Guilds like AGG and DIE who transferred to Sos only play gw2 for the wvw aspect of the game, so it is not difficult to get them to show up in wvw. If Sos did not have these transfers and was still able to get their massive force from just their native players, then they can make the claim that they are better than other servers at getting PVE players to show up in wvw.

wondo.2870:

jojojoon.8607:

cuge.5398:

I dont think we have deals with anyone, at least this didnt pass at all from our forum, so if it happened it was restricted to 2 guilds. Our guild policy is clear, red names must go down.
And its actually funny that you are crying for a situation like that, when right yesterday evening we were attacking a keep owned by SoS and while smashing the door a group of JQ attacked us, and same happened on a tower.

If server A is trying to take an undefended keep from server B, and server C sees that they can take out server A’s forces to take the keep, I don’t see any issue with that. That’s valid tactics. However, I do see an issue with server A setting up siege at a camp at one side and server B setting up siege at the other side and making no attempt to take the camp. The purpose is just to wait and kill any server C’s forces approaching the camp. That is not wvw.

I hope you clearly see the difference.

where you there? i just don’t see this happening sorry…. it’s more reasonable to assume the original poster from JQ was lying…

Well, that cuge.5398 poster said that there are 2 guilds in SBI that may have done that. And if anything, it may have been a guild thing and not a server thing.

And then, he gave a scenario he encountered to compare with what the original poster outlined. And I just gave an explanation why I don’t think they are similar at all. If JQ had attacked SBI to defend the SOS’s keep, then that’s another story. However, if JQ attacked SBI to TAKE OVER SOS’s keep, then that’s valid strategy. If you feel your force can overtake another force to claim a keep you don’t own, then you do it.

cuge.5398:

I dont think we have deals with anyone, at least this didnt pass at all from our forum, so if it happened it was restricted to 2 guilds. Our guild policy is clear, red names must go down.
And its actually funny that you are crying for a situation like that, when right yesterday evening we were attacking a keep owned by SoS and while smashing the door a group of JQ attacked us, and same happened on a tower.

If server A is trying to take an undefended keep from server B, and server C sees that they can take out server A’s forces to take the keep, I don’t see any issue with that. That’s valid tactics. However, I do see an issue with server A setting up siege at a camp at one side and server B setting up siege at the other side and making no attempt to take the camp. The purpose is just to wait and kill any server C’s forces approaching the camp. That is not wvw.

I hope you clearly see the difference.

If this is true, then I think this is the lowest level SBI has stooped to. I would understand a 2v1 double team for strategic reasons. For example, when 2 servers raid a keep, and they don’t attack each other, hoping that one side would go in to take the pounding from the siege and then swoop in to claim it later. Or when 2 servers focus on the top server hoping to catch up on the points.

But 2 servers setting up siege in a camp side by side, not attack each other, and waiting for the 3rd server to come in? For the spirit of wvw, I just don’t agree with that type of play. If this is true with what the original poster is saying, then I don’t think SBI deserves to be in tier2 since they are clearly not out there for wvw.

Which were the guilds in SBI that was doing this? Or was it pugs?

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Upload the proof, but blaming the entire WM guild is as silly as blaming an entire server, when there are only a few bad eggs. I’ve had JQ exploit briar tower(s) from me at least 3 times this week, people are doing it everywhere. Granted, doing it to garrison is more serious. Get the video up, I doubt it was anyone from core WM doing the exploit, most likely a bad egg lying to a WM commander that they were in legitimately.

The lead officer from WM pretty much confirmed that they exploited into garrison twice on gw2guru. Looks like they are leaving SBI and joining another server. The part I didn’t understand is that he mentioned about bandwagons joining up to form a strong server. Yet, at the end, he asks others to join him at the new server.

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/78151-from-war-machine/

coronbale.3894:

Well if you guys are this highly ranked at your current setup, I shudder to think what JQ could do if someone were to unite the tribes and march en force on the field.

The original “full force” JQ server demolished HOD (the week of the breakup but 80% of the alliance was still in tact) and SBI. If I recall, JQ was leading by over 100k points a few days into the match. After that week, many of the DAOC guilds (like Fate, TW, etc) left JQ and went to SOR server. And now, SOR is a tier 2 server. So in a way, the original JQ server when all the guilds were united was quite amazing. Split up, one group is still in tier 1 and the other group is in tier 2.

ErlendR.6107:

-Progression/rewards in Feb patch
Just that :S

They are going to add 1 npc to sell ascended gear. There will be a new tab in the Hero profile that shows your kill:death ratio and have a ranking next to it.

penatbater.4710:

removal of orbs is one of the best things they did for wvw. (I guess putting orbs in is a really bad decision then). outmanned could use a buff however.

How can you say removing is the best things for wvw? Orbs makes the match more dynamic. Without orbs now, the matches are stale with the server focusing on taking over the homeland only.

If Anet did care, instead of going for the “easy” route of fixing the orb issue which required the the least resources (removing orbs altogether), they could have implemented some of the solutions that were suggested on the forum. However, these solutions require resources (developers, programming hours, etc). Since fixing wvw is the lowest of all priorities on the list, they chose the the quick fix.

Some solutions suggested by the forum posters:
1) Swapping the buffs of outmanned and orbs.
2) Lord needs to be killed before orbs can be removed. Or the keep needs to be taken before the orbs can be removed.

Tajz.9826:

Galen.9042:

Arcadio.6875:

Their hint for the Feb patch is that it will address player progression. When asked about actual new content like maps, they say they need to prioritize and that it takes time to make those. It seems they can’t even find the time to make a website for live updates. What exactly are they working on then that’s supposed to be a big deal in Feb?

I will now make a predication.

The “big WvW patch” in February will do the following:

- Ascended Items are now available from vendors in your home Borderlands! Each piece requires 2000 badges of honour.

If they wanna do just that i think they can just do it today -=-’’. One NPC with a simple coding to link their existing item take them less than an hour to make…

Seriously it’s last hope for our WvWer on Feb. If it fails to deliver something exciting i think they will lose a lot of their player base to some other games. They need to realise that WvW is at least 1/3 of their end game apart from PvE/SPvP… Come on Anet, give us more reward more incentive to play in WvW. Your redundant on the map is sad enough but playing without reward (even worse like gold sink) is just seriously worst…

They will add 1 npc to EB to sell ascended gear. If they add a npc to each borderland map, it might take an additional month. So, I’m actually fine with just 1 npc in EB to sell ascended gear. I don’t want the patch to be delayed until March just so there are 3 more npcs with one at each borderland map.

Upgrading any other time other than right after reset would affect people doing dungeons. If I’m killing a npc and get it to 50%, I do not want to be kicked off so I have to spend another 30 seconds to get his hp to 50% again.

Rexcalibur.6743:

As long as they make the game better and more enjoyable, I welcome new builds

Yup, the best time to release a new build is right after wvw reset. That is the time when most people are not doing dungeons since they are in wvw. No one cares about wvw but dungeons are really important. You don’t want to kick people off while they’ll doing dungeons.

gmanual.6519:

jojojoon.8607:

I have a feeling SBI will drop to tier 2 soon.

If tier 1 continues to be a close matchup and Sor/Blackgate continue to flip 1st/2nd place in tier 2, nothing is going to change in terms of weekly matchups.

Sbi current rating = 2,104.057 (3rd place)
Blackgate current rating = 1,965.221 (4th place)

This basically means SBI would need to be stomped and Blackgate need to own, just to close the margins.

Well, what I am seeing is that SBI has essentially given up and is currently fighting with a loser’s mentality. If there is a significant drop in number next few matches due to the Winters Day event, I see SOS stomping them in the score department (winning by close to 100k points). Any kind of charge from a server in tier 2 should pushed them to tier 1 with SBI dropping to tier 2. I guess we’ll see…

I have a feeling SBI will drop to tier 2 soon.

Cover Girl.2580:

Ok. In the nature of fairness and good sportsmanship. I spoke with one of the DiE players involved in the hills hijacking of 2012. Off the record he gave me an explanation that sounds legit. I still find it highly improbable that I or the others missed this, but I assure you It’s something I will never forget and won’t miss a THIRD time.

So I issue an apology to DiE for any of this on my part, IF what you said is what you really did. As hard as it is to say, there ya go. Putting it to rest now, so I can go eat a bottle of TUMs and learn something new.

Was it “dedicated mesmers” that can predict future events on TS?

Can commanders from SBI check for a player with the account toke.7314?

Nikkle.4013:

What’s funny is two days ago a few officers from [work] were in ts talking about the “best mesmer”. Ignore the actual footage but listen to the audio. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLmDn4c59uA

This actually makes it even more fishy. The video is just a random clip of a guy doing random stuff, but it coincidently records the conversation which “predicts” this event would happen. This clip was posted 1 day AFTER the SM exploit youtube video was posted. Why would anyone post a clip of some random TS conversation on youtube? The conversation wasn’t even funny… Was this planned?