Guild Wars 2

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

jojojoon.8607:

Ferris Bewler.9706:

I get why people on SOR and JQ hate some BG so much, I mean for heavens sake were only 1 day into it and yall are claiming champion this, and undefeated that crap. No offense guys but we all know what is going on with seasons. Just get out there and enjoy a HEALTHY T1 matchup with fights and good strategy around every corner. Its your right to PVF if you want but it doesnt make you or BG look any better or do any better. Just my opinion.

Anyways hats off to all those enemies we faced last night in SOR BL was a really fun time we enjoyed it. Im sure we will see you tonight.

If you venture out of this thread and to other other threads on this forum, you will realize that the BG chest thumping actually gets worse than this. Regarding the matchup, at this moment, there’s nothing JQ and SOR can do especially that IRON has left SOR. If you notice, BG takes over the lead once again during EU time. It’s the weekends so NA can probably log in earlier, but during weekdays, it’s another 4 to 5 hours of uncontested capping by BG. Let’s hope season 2, both JQ and SOR can get a few EU guilds to make this time zone a little more competitive.

There was a time when BG/SoR/JQ were no different in terms of how bad their chest thumpers and trolls are…. But, IRON being self-banned from forums and then transferring, and JQ losing Seasons and their trolls… The only ones left are mostly BG. BG won PvF Season 1, too.

(I have to hand it to IRON, though. They were dedicated trolls. Unlike JQ fairweather trolls who showed up the 20 something hours when JQ had the lead and disappeared when JQ lost it in Week 5.)

I think we missed a grand opportunity with BG winning seasons. The forums would be alight with trolling if JQ ended up winning with their schedule, and chest thumping if SoR won with “we play for fights but we ended up winning wow such community”.

I think BG winning was probably the most generic fuel for the chest thumpers and trolls to feed off of. Very tame compared to what could have happened.

lol.. wow.. So let me get this right. This is all in just a few posts in this thread..

1) BG claims “World Champions of wvw” even though there is an EU bracket.
2) BG claims “undefeated in season 1” even though it’s only 1 day into the week.
3) BG claims “winner of pvf for season 1” just to continue chest thumping….

Ferris Bewler.9706:

I get why people on SOR and JQ hate some BG so much, I mean for heavens sake were only 1 day into it and yall are claiming champion this, and undefeated that crap. No offense guys but we all know what is going on with seasons. Just get out there and enjoy a HEALTHY T1 matchup with fights and good strategy around every corner. Its your right to PVF if you want but it doesnt make you or BG look any better or do any better. Just my opinion.

Anyways hats off to all those enemies we faced last night in SOR BL was a really fun time we enjoyed it. Im sure we will see you tonight.

If you venture out of this thread and to other other threads on this forum, you will realize that the BG chest thumping actually gets worse than this. Regarding the matchup, at this moment, there’s nothing JQ and SOR can do especially that IRON has left SOR. If you notice, BG takes over the lead once again during EU time. It’s the weekends so NA can probably log in earlier, but during weekdays, it’s another 4 to 5 hours of uncontested capping by BG. Let’s hope season 2, both JQ and SOR can get a few EU guilds to make this time zone a little more competitive.

Kiff.8157:

jojojoon.8607:

Kiff.8157:

jojojoon.8607:

Kiff.8157:

jojojoon.8607:

Kiff.8157:

jojojoon.8607:

Please repeat after me. EU…. OCX…. Now, inhale and repeat again… EU…. OCX…..

Dude, Tarkus is an early EU commander don’t you know? He led EU when on BG to some point SOR and JQ complained about it don’t you know?

Oh I forgot that I also have evidence that a JQ player said Tarkus is stronger than Chuck Norris and can also use 50 computers at the same time to become a 1 man army that can defeat 100 BG players..

I feel so sad for you. But perhaps you do not play EU, then it’s okay, I don’t blame you for that.
While on BG, Tarkus could always rally at least 1/3 if not half map zerg. Since this is league, I believe he can have more number. Again, why do JQ keep forgetting about their EU guild NOAH, SR (I can’t recall) and I heard TOHU as well? The numbers may not be 4 maps full, but as I mentioned, this is league and www achievement, you should have at least 2 maps manpower. Now define pvdoor.

Why do you feel sad for me? Is it because I keep mentioning about your “evidence?”

hmm…because of your extremely low level of information on your server guilds and the timezone as well as the extension of timezone they play in?

Nah, it has to be about your “evidence.” You know, your EVIDENCE!!!! Don’t tell me you forgot about your “evidence” already.

Hmm..so now you’re telling me you are my brain you know what I was thinking when I said you were sad? I didn’t know that. I always thought I might not have a brain of Einstein but at least not this clumsy one. Now me is sad :’(

I am sad too. I called Chuck Norris and told him about your evidence and now you tell me you don’t have the evidence. What am I going to do…

Kiff.8157:

jojojoon.8607:

Kiff.8157:

jojojoon.8607:

Kiff.8157:

jojojoon.8607:

Please repeat after me. EU…. OCX…. Now, inhale and repeat again… EU…. OCX…..

Dude, Tarkus is an early EU commander don’t you know? He led EU when on BG to some point SOR and JQ complained about it don’t you know?

Oh I forgot that I also have evidence that a JQ player said Tarkus is stronger than Chuck Norris and can also use 50 computers at the same time to become a 1 man army that can defeat 100 BG players..

I feel so sad for you. But perhaps you do not play EU, then it’s okay, I don’t blame you for that.
While on BG, Tarkus could always rally at least 1/3 if not half map zerg. Since this is league, I believe he can have more number. Again, why do JQ keep forgetting about their EU guild NOAH, SR (I can’t recall) and I heard TOHU as well? The numbers may not be 4 maps full, but as I mentioned, this is league and www achievement, you should have at least 2 maps manpower. Now define pvdoor.

Why do you feel sad for me? Is it because I keep mentioning about your “evidence?”

hmm…because of your extremely low level of information on your server guilds and the timezone as well as the extension of timezone they play in?

Nah, it has to be about your “evidence.” You know, your EVIDENCE!!!! Don’t tell me you forgot about your “evidence” already.

Kiff.8157:

jojojoon.8607:

Kiff.8157:

jojojoon.8607:

Please repeat after me. EU…. OCX…. Now, inhale and repeat again… EU…. OCX…..

Dude, Tarkus is an early EU commander don’t you know? He led EU when on BG to some point SOR and JQ complained about it don’t you know?

Oh I forgot that I also have evidence that a JQ player said Tarkus is stronger than Chuck Norris and can also use 50 computers at the same time to become a 1 man army that can defeat 100 BG players..

I feel so sad for you. But perhaps you do not play EU, then it’s okay, I don’t blame you for that.
While on BG, Tarkus could always rally at least 1/3 if not half map zerg. Since this is league, I believe he can have more number. Again, why do JQ keep forgetting about their EU guild NOAH, SR (I can’t recall) and I heard TOHU as well? The numbers may not be 4 maps full, but as I mentioned, this is league and www achievement, you should have at least 2 maps manpower. Now define pvdoor.

Why do you feel sad for me? Is it because I keep mentioning about your “evidence?”

Neuromancer.2148:

jojojoon.8607:

Kiff.8157:

jojojoon.8607:

Please repeat after me. EU…. OCX…. Now, inhale and repeat again… EU…. OCX…..

Dude, Tarkus is an early EU commander don’t you know? He led EU when on BG to some point SOR and JQ complained about it don’t you know?

Oh I forgot that I also have evidence that a JQ player said Tarkus is stronger than Chuck Norris and can also use 50 computers at the same time to become a 1 man army that can defeat 100 BG players..

Or you can just look at Tarkus’ forum signature.

In his original post, he brought up MERC and not Tarkus. Tarkus plays in early EU also but he’s 1 player. Unless majority of MERC plays in EU then what he said doesn’t make sense because they typically do not match up in the same time zone. As far as I know, MERC is mainly OCX since I play in late NA and I see them around.

That is why in my Chuck Norris post, I joked about Tarkus manning 50 computers and playing as a 1 man MERC army.

Kiff.8157:

jojojoon.8607:

Please repeat after me. EU…. OCX…. Now, inhale and repeat again… EU…. OCX…..

Dude, Tarkus is an early EU commander don’t you know? He led EU when on BG to some point SOR and JQ complained about it don’t you know?

Oh I forgot that I also have evidence that a JQ player said Tarkus is stronger than Chuck Norris and can also use 50 computers at the same time to become a 1 man army that can defeat 100 BG players..

Kiff.8157:

jojojoon.8607:

Read my posts AGAIN. If you don’t understand what I am saying, read the post just above yours!!! It’s been answered so many times already… geez…

Re-read. Let me make it clear for you. GE raid everyday, it shouldn’t be problem whether weekdays or weekends ZDs pvd to get high tick. GE should be able to handle a so-so guild and make them ragequit EVERYDAY before EU timezone. Or are you suggesting, GE call other guilds so-so only when they have full queue and number advantage during weekends?

I don’t know what to say anymore.. It’s been repeated so many times by so many people already but you still don’t get it…

Kiff.8157:

Seiya.8190:

we keep hit bay is cause BG are unwill to come out to play, everytime we meet, they just run in to tower or keep, so we only can knock BG’s door , but BG still prefect to stay behind AC.
Basic ATM don’t have any no good feeling about ZD come to BG, it give us a chance to fight EU guild, ZD are good , they are like the old MERC in BG that will fight us not hide in the tower, ND is good too, even sometime they have small number than us , will try to fight as well, just feel sorry to ZD that we can not stay that late to fight them all the time.
We just wish that ZD can enjoy their stay in BG, we don’t really know did they enjoy the fight during the week day or not, Maybe they don’t have much chance to PvD in EU server, so they might enjoy something different now, but we do know that PvD is boring, and it have risk to lose your Guild members as well.

I heard waha rage quit because we hid behind the wall? kitten.
Anyway, your post indicates no difference from others. Complaining about pvdoor. where is your highly paid merc?

Please repeat after me. EU…. OCX…. Now, inhale and repeat again… EU…. OCX…..

Kiff.8157:

jojojoon.8607:

Kiff.8157:

jojojoon.8607:

Gilgamesh.7364:

jojojoon.8607:

Gilgamesh.7364:

Great fights everyone, this is the most even match I’ve seen in a while

Except in EU time zone when pvd happens..

EU timezone wasn’t a problem when JQ took the lead… Now it seems to be the main problem :/

That was during the weekend when folks were staying passed 3am… ZD got the tick passed 450 during EU time on the weekdays and erased the lead for good…

Why is ZDs a problem when GE commander said ZDs are just so-so? One hour is enough to crash the so-so guild and make them ragequit.

Why are you asking the same stuff I answered already. Read my posts over a few times again…

Re-read. You said it was ZDs. So my question is why would a so-so guild bother you so much when GE commander should be able to make them ragequit within 1 hour before SEA ends? And a so-so guild shouldn’t be able to make the tick so high even pvd.

Read my posts AGAIN. If you don’t understand what I am saying, read the post just above yours!!! It’s been answered so many times already… geez…

Kiff.8157:

jojojoon.8607:

Gilgamesh.7364:

jojojoon.8607:

Gilgamesh.7364:

Great fights everyone, this is the most even match I’ve seen in a while

Except in EU time zone when pvd happens..

EU timezone wasn’t a problem when JQ took the lead… Now it seems to be the main problem :/

That was during the weekend when folks were staying passed 3am… ZD got the tick passed 450 during EU time on the weekdays and erased the lead for good…

Why is ZDs a problem when GE commander said ZDs are just so-so? One hour is enough to crash the so-so guild and make them ragequit.

Why are you asking the same stuff I answered already. Read my posts over a few times again…

Kiff.8157:

jojojoon.8607:

I also have evidence that a JQ player admitted that he taught Chuck Norris kung foo. I also have evidence that another JQ player admitted that his friend’s dad is the aunt of the son of Bill Gate’s father.

You just slapped your servermate in his face, twice.

Yeah, I slapped them with the so called “evidence” you keep repeating in your posts…

Gilgamesh.7364:

jojojoon.8607:

Gilgamesh.7364:

Great fights everyone, this is the most even match I’ve seen in a while

Except in EU time zone when pvd happens..

EU timezone wasn’t a problem when JQ took the lead… Now it seems to be the main problem :/

That was during the weekend when folks were staying passed 3am… ZD got the tick passed 450 during EU time on the weekdays and erased the lead for good…

Gilgamesh.7364:

Great fights everyone, this is the most even match I’ve seen in a while

Except in EU time zone when pvd happens..

Kiff.8157:

Luxon.1389:

Conspiracies start from evidence given. Forget about what JQ did before the start of the season when they got MERC. True or false though, the screenshot of BG arms race is that real or not? From the looks of that it’s no wonder people can assume ZDs was bought right?

Secondly in most people’s mind that look at the bigger picture, it’s safe to assume that BG’s strength will not be the same after the season ends. ZD’s should leave(they said they would earlier when they first made posts about coming over) and your PVE coverage should drop immensely compared to other servers who have shorter and no queues the majority of the time zones.

So given the above, what will the be said IF you guys happen to start going downhill? What type of “excuses” will we see after league ends? I mean why should a league be the main reason you guys come out full force? Why not bring it all the time? It’s obvious SOR’s(maybe JQ) m.o. is to not pull OT as hardcore as you guys. I’m referring to the break you guys had before league after all.

Heck though I could be wrong. This will be a moot point if you guys happen to keep ZD’s and your PVE militia. You guys will then be strong for a very long time.

I have evidence JQ player admitted their pve players donated thousand gold to JQ WVW community when JQ was doing massive guild recruitment. So why should we forget about MERC but have to keep bringing up ZDs? Oh, and just curious why do people keep forgetting about WVW guild that was bought by JQ to stack SEA timezone?

I also have evidence that a JQ player admitted that he taught Chuck Norris kung foo. I also have evidence that another JQ player admitted that his friend’s dad is the aunt of the son of Bill Gate’s father.

Of all the cash shop games I’ve played, the #1 item sold is usually armor/outfit skins. The huge problem with the armor/outfit skins in this game is that it only works in a town. This week, I’ve been in a town 0 times. No one buys those outfit skins because they can’t wear them anywhere else except at a town. The new plushie backpack actually works in wvw and I see them everywhere. Make those outfit wearable in wvw and a ton of wvw players will buy one.

Kryyg.8576:

sielfiel.4692:

Kryyg.8576:

I don’t know, WM just doesn’t seem that good anymore.

Our pugs ran circles around them without a commander a couple times, and then when they hit FOO they simply just melted that much faster.

Not sure if they haven’t gotten all their transfers over or they haven’t changed their tactics yet but the trip away from T1 has just made them worse.

i’ve seen WM/pugs zerg got wiped by TW/Tsym/Hire zerg. but you have to understand, pve guilds running with one of the most well known guild against 3 of the best in sor is a no contest .also, I’ve only seen a very few of WM in BG atm. Give them some time, I never knew FOO existed during SBI’s prime to be honest.

and there is a reason why a certain NA guild is “avoiding” TW, They’re actually pretty devastating. good thing is, TW/Hire didnt leave SOR BL to defend.

We’ve noticed this which is why on JQ, we’ve stopped putting so many of our resources into SoR BL. There’s no point face smashing into TW working so hard, when we can easily go into another BL and cap more points. It’s going to work against you guys quite frankly, TW sitting in one map works for us just fine.

Let them rot there for all we care.

Lol, TW player chest thumping…

If you think he’s from JQ, let’s just say I know something not everyone knows about.. That’s all I’m going to say and only post on this topic…

In that picture, an elem is using dragon’s tooth to hit the half built siege at the inside of the wall. Anet has nerfed almost all target skills to require line of sight. I think dragon’s tooth is the last one that has not been changed.

Anet has set a pattern of modifying those types of skills to require line of sight. They probably forgot about that one. So some do consider it an exploit…

When I saw the siege capping exploit first occurring, I knew at the moment that if Anet did not act quickly and decisively (banning them), it will become a huge problem as it becomes part of the “meta.” Now, we have multiple servers sending spies over to other servers to siege cap to help their server win. The server that does this sieging capping the best will have a huge advantage in wvw.

Azure.8412:

jojojoon.8607:

scootshoot.6583:

Kreen.3925:

LetoII.3782:

Zen.8497:

I believe the guilds that won’t even try is because they know better and expect to be wiped.
Regarding Foo, it is obvious they didn’t even expected the outcome or they might have not accepted, as soon the ball was already rolling it would have been hard for them to honorably back away from these fights even if they wanted.

I work really early hours (4am est) so on the weekends I get to see FoO in action often and I can say, without reservation, they are more than a zerg. Yes, they have huge numbers. Yes, as any large guild of that size, skill level varies. Same as in any large western guild.

However, when it comes to discipline and organization, sheer points producing potential, I think they kick NA’s butt. When’s the last time you saw a group from NA do sentry duty at a camp? Sure maybe a person will watch a door, maybe player will patrol a yaks route. FoO will set up a 5 man in every camp with a response team ready to be there in 30 seconds. Heck they even have a sentry or two on each yak. Basically, a solo hunter like me can’t do jack but gank the occasional solo on their way to doing something productive and responsible. Basically, they’re an army and we’re just roaming barbarians. Any NA guild could learn a thing or two. Sure, in a wild fight we beat em.. But I think taking a keep from them would be miserable.
What they do, standing bored at an objective, takes pride. They ENJOY it, because it’s winning. And I do believe that pride would also require them to keep coming back, even if they lose, until they do beat us.
I guess we’ll find out Sunday, eh?

Right now these tactics are one of the major reasons JQ is winning. Sure we make full use of our stronger timezones and appear to have some better numbers at times as well but we defend and upgrade our stuff better than the other two servers and so hold onto to points for longer. Each timezone tries to hand off something for the previous timezone to work with.

Heh. Your statement above still comes down to numbers advantage. More eyes and ears as scouts on the road thus covering more land area. Extra bodies to run supplies, upgrades etc.

Did you miss last weeks reset night? Up until 4am all 3 servers were neck and neck as every NA player packed the queues for each. Was a less then 2k difference when I went to bed. Woke up the following morning around 11am central to see the lead balloon to 12k JQ advantage, lol. How do you think this happened? From your Asian crew defending and upgrading? haha.

Anyhoo, we had similar advantage when we were on T2 and the games grew stale fast pounding on doors with little resistance so much prefer having the greater number of opponents to go against so keep those bandwagon transfers coming JQ!

You went to sleep early, but many wvw players who enjoy the game do not sleep on their normal hours on a Friday/Saturday. I personally played until almost 4am (of course not 11 straight hours).

One of the points Kreen makes that probably isn’t happening on SOR is that, on JQ, the players from the different time zones try to help each other out by doing the little things like escorting yaks to upgrade to pass on next time zone, managing the hours to try to log in during the server’s weaker coverage hours, etc.

At least from what I have seen on the forum, SOR does their normal thing during their normal hours and then points the finger at their weaker time zone players and blames them for the reason why they’re losing. I’ve read some SOR players calling their other time zones “disorganized” or trying to kick their other time zone players out of their server just to give them a better chance of winning instead of actually trying to help them out.

I can assure you our NA do try their best to help our weaker timezones. I dont know where you got that from.

You probably don’t follow the forum all that much. There were some NA players from SOR who wanted to kick all non-NA players from NA servers just so they will have a better chance at winning. There was a huge discussion about it a few days ago.

scootshoot.6583:

Kreen.3925:

LetoII.3782:

Zen.8497:

I believe the guilds that won’t even try is because they know better and expect to be wiped.
Regarding Foo, it is obvious they didn’t even expected the outcome or they might have not accepted, as soon the ball was already rolling it would have been hard for them to honorably back away from these fights even if they wanted.

I work really early hours (4am est) so on the weekends I get to see FoO in action often and I can say, without reservation, they are more than a zerg. Yes, they have huge numbers. Yes, as any large guild of that size, skill level varies. Same as in any large western guild.

However, when it comes to discipline and organization, sheer points producing potential, I think they kick NA’s butt. When’s the last time you saw a group from NA do sentry duty at a camp? Sure maybe a person will watch a door, maybe player will patrol a yaks route. FoO will set up a 5 man in every camp with a response team ready to be there in 30 seconds. Heck they even have a sentry or two on each yak. Basically, a solo hunter like me can’t do jack but gank the occasional solo on their way to doing something productive and responsible. Basically, they’re an army and we’re just roaming barbarians. Any NA guild could learn a thing or two. Sure, in a wild fight we beat em.. But I think taking a keep from them would be miserable.
What they do, standing bored at an objective, takes pride. They ENJOY it, because it’s winning. And I do believe that pride would also require them to keep coming back, even if they lose, until they do beat us.
I guess we’ll find out Sunday, eh?

Right now these tactics are one of the major reasons JQ is winning. Sure we make full use of our stronger timezones and appear to have some better numbers at times as well but we defend and upgrade our stuff better than the other two servers and so hold onto to points for longer. Each timezone tries to hand off something for the previous timezone to work with.

Heh. Your statement above still comes down to numbers advantage. More eyes and ears as scouts on the road thus covering more land area. Extra bodies to run supplies, upgrades etc.

Did you miss last weeks reset night? Up until 4am all 3 servers were neck and neck as every NA player packed the queues for each. Was a less then 2k difference when I went to bed. Woke up the following morning around 11am central to see the lead balloon to 12k JQ advantage, lol. How do you think this happened? From your Asian crew defending and upgrading? haha.

Anyhoo, we had similar advantage when we were on T2 and the games grew stale fast pounding on doors with little resistance so much prefer having the greater number of opponents to go against so keep those bandwagon transfers coming JQ!

You went to sleep early, but many wvw players who enjoy the game do not sleep on their normal hours on a Friday/Saturday. I personally played until almost 4am (of course not 11 straight hours).

One of the points Kreen makes that probably isn’t happening on SOR is that, on JQ, the players from the different time zones try to help each other out by doing the little things like escorting yaks to upgrade to pass on next time zone, managing the hours to try to log in during the server’s weaker coverage hours, etc.

At least from what I have seen on the forum, SOR does their normal thing during their normal hours and then points the finger at their weaker time zone players and blames them for the reason why they’re losing. I’ve read some SOR players calling their other time zones “disorganized” or trying to kick their other time zone players out of their server just to give them a better chance of winning instead of actually trying to help them out.

Hoots.9564:

jojojoon.8607:

Hoots.9564:

jojojoon.8607:

Hoots.9564:

jojojoon.8607:

I think that’s where the problem lies. You see an 80+ zergball as only 20 people. Heck, you don’t even include your sister guild TWL as part of the 20 man group when they all basically follow the same leader. It’s like a leader of an 45+ guild forming a sister guild with him being the lone member and then leading his 45+ members around claiming he has wiped 50+ zergs as a 1 man guild.

Ugh are we still talking to each other, this is my last post of the night I promise! TWL is not a sister guild, its a recruit guild and it averages less then 10 a night. That makes our force a whopping 30-35 vs an entire BL. I’m really not sure what we are even discussing at this point, I guess you got wiped by TW and feel a bit tender?

Oh wait here, so it’s 30-35 now and not 20 anymore? That was why I wanted you to confirm what the number was. So, you changed it from 20 to 30-35 in less than 1 hour. Tomorrow, would it be up to 50?

I haven’t been wiped but I just want to prove that the numbers you “see” or “tell us” isn’t what it seems to be. And my point is proven….

Your question asked how many TW has, TW has 20-25. Then you were the one talking about the recruit guild which would be an average of 10. Add those both together and you get 30-35. I simply answered your question about how many TW had, you never asked how many TWL had.

TWL is TW but just with a different tag. To even think they’re different is just trying to deceive the “real” number. To exaggerate the example, it’s like Indo telling everyone to go to TWL. So even though everyone in TWL sees him as the leader, all go to the same teamspeak, all follow his commands, and all share the same resources. And then his led team wipes a 50+ zerg. Do you think it makes sense for him to claim that his 1 man TW guild just wiped a 50+ zerg? Of course not. Any logical person would know it’s TW/TWL or basically one guild, that wiped the 50+ zerg.

For him to claim it’s 1 man guild or in your case (a strong 20 man group) is just trying to hide the true number of the force that is fighting which basically the point I’m trying to make.

All I read out of that is dkjfdlkjdf QQ. It is too late for this kinda talk at this point, Let’s all go to bed and maybe talk about this tomorrow!

Yeah, get some sleep and rest. Let’s hope tomorrow you stop thinking the 80+ zergball is 20 man strong.

Hoots.9564:

jojojoon.8607:

Hoots.9564:

jojojoon.8607:

I think that’s where the problem lies. You see an 80+ zergball as only 20 people. Heck, you don’t even include your sister guild TWL as part of the 20 man group when they all basically follow the same leader. It’s like a leader of an 45+ guild forming a sister guild with him being the lone member and then leading his 45+ members around claiming he has wiped 50+ zergs as a 1 man guild.

Ugh are we still talking to each other, this is my last post of the night I promise! TWL is not a sister guild, its a recruit guild and it averages less then 10 a night. That makes our force a whopping 30-35 vs an entire BL. I’m really not sure what we are even discussing at this point, I guess you got wiped by TW and feel a bit tender?

Oh wait here, so it’s 30-35 now and not 20 anymore? That was why I wanted you to confirm what the number was. So, you changed it from 20 to 30-35 in less than 1 hour. Tomorrow, would it be up to 50?

I haven’t been wiped but I just want to prove that the numbers you “see” or “tell us” isn’t what it seems to be. And my point is proven….

Your question asked how many TW has, TW has 20-25. Then you were the one talking about the recruit guild which would be an average of 10. Add those both together and you get 30-35. I simply answered your question about how many TW had, you never asked how many TWL had.

TWL is TW but just with a different tag. To even think they’re different is just trying to deceive the “real” number. To exaggerate the example, it’s like Indo telling everyone to go to TWL. So even though everyone in TWL sees him as the leader, all go to the same teamspeak, all follow his commands, and all share the same resources. And then his led team wipes a 50+ zerg. Do you think it makes sense for him to claim that his 1 man TW guild just wiped a 50+ zerg? Of course not. Any logical person would know it’s TW/TWL or basically one guild, that wiped the 50+ zerg.

For him to claim it’s 1 man guild or in your case (a strong 20 man group) is just trying to hide the true number of the force that is fighting which basically the point I’m trying to make.

Hoots.9564:

jojojoon.8607:

I think that’s where the problem lies. You see an 80+ zergball as only 20 people. Heck, you don’t even include your sister guild TWL as part of the 20 man group when they all basically follow the same leader. It’s like a leader of an 45+ guild forming a sister guild with him being the lone member and then leading his 45+ members around claiming he has wiped 50+ zergs as a 1 man guild.

Ugh are we still talking to each other, this is my last post of the night I promise! TWL is not a sister guild, its a recruit guild and it averages less then 10 a night. That makes our force a whopping 30-35 vs an entire BL. I’m really not sure what we are even discussing at this point, I guess you got wiped by TW and feel a bit tender?

Oh wait here, so it’s 30-35 now and not 20 anymore? That was why I wanted you to confirm what the number was. So, you changed it from 20 to 30-35 in less than 1 hour. Tomorrow, would it be up to 50?

I haven’t been wiped but I just want to prove that the numbers you “see” or “tell us” isn’t what it seems to be. And my point is proven….

Hoots.9564:

jojojoon.8607:

Hoots.9564:

jojojoon.8607:

Hoots.9564:

jojojoon.8607:

Hoots.9564:

jojojoon.8607:

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jojojoon.8607:

Hoots.9564:

jojojoon.8607:

Nah, that’s not true. When I see an 80+ zergball, I know it’s an 80+ zergball. That screenshot does not show an 80+ zergball. Next time you play, just look around you. That’s an 80+ zergball.

I’m confused then, what is that you see there? I see a main force lead by noodles with 40 and a flank group of 30+, if you nudge one of those forces the other comes in to flank hard which in turn creates your “zergball” as you say. I would agree with you if they actually ran around doing various things apart from one another but the fact remains that they are running around connected at the hip, which in turn is producing a loot pinata for everyone on SoR.

I think you’re the only one confused. Again, I repeat. I know what an 80+ zergball is when I see one. If you do not know what an 80+ zergball is, please log in tonight and look around you.

I’m looking around me and all I see is a emp “zergball”, is that what your referring too?

Now you’re even more confused. The zergball I’m talking about is not red.

I’ll admit I am actually confused, so your trying to say SoR is running a zergball and not EMP, even though in the image posted its EMP that has the 70+zergball standing outside of garrison?

I think what you’re confused at is that you do not know what an 80+ zergball is. Seriously, let me give you the steps to figure out what an 80+ zergbal is.

1) Log into the game.
2) Click on the wvw icon.
3) Run to a commander pin.
4) Look around you and pay attention to what is not red.
5) There, that’s a zergball.

You have blown my mind, literally. We obviously have different opinions on what a “zergball” is. Go ahead and follow those steps yourself and see what you come up with, EMP’s zergball is currently on SoR BL.

I think so to because I have heard repeatedly from you guys that your group is only 25 max. You want to ask other servers who have faced SOR to see if that is true?

So BG, do you think the SOR zergball is 25 max? JQ, same question, is it 25 max?

Don’t get so heated, it is just a game at the end of the day. SoR has and does run zergballs, of that I was not arguing with. Those zergballs are formed for various reasons that could possibly be above your comprehension but I will attempt to explain as well as Jed did in last weeks post? Guild A. beats guild B, Guild B rally’s more forces to fight Guild A.. Guild A wipes and rallys more to fight the Guild B + friends and i’m hoping you can piece the rest of that puzzle together yourself. Fact remains TW is 20 strong every night, when EMP comes onto a map with 50+ guildies, of course we are gonna grab Tsym as a flank group or vice versa when we simply cant field that many numbers.

So we have a confirmation that TW is 20 strong every night right?

Thought it was common knowledge but 20-25 is the average every single night, kinda embarrassing when you wipe to so few huh

I think that’s where the problem lies. You see an 80+ zergball as only 20 people. Heck, you don’t even include your sister guild TWL as part of the 20 man group when they all basically follow the same leader. It’s like a leader of an 45+ guild forming a sister guild with him being the lone member and then leading his 45+ members around claiming he has wiped 50+ zergs as a 1 man guild.

Hoots.9564:

jojojoon.8607:

Hoots.9564:

jojojoon.8607:

Hoots.9564:

jojojoon.8607:

Hoots.9564:

jojojoon.8607:

Hoots.9564:

jojojoon.8607:

Nah, that’s not true. When I see an 80+ zergball, I know it’s an 80+ zergball. That screenshot does not show an 80+ zergball. Next time you play, just look around you. That’s an 80+ zergball.

I’m confused then, what is that you see there? I see a main force lead by noodles with 40 and a flank group of 30+, if you nudge one of those forces the other comes in to flank hard which in turn creates your “zergball” as you say. I would agree with you if they actually ran around doing various things apart from one another but the fact remains that they are running around connected at the hip, which in turn is producing a loot pinata for everyone on SoR.

I think you’re the only one confused. Again, I repeat. I know what an 80+ zergball is when I see one. If you do not know what an 80+ zergball is, please log in tonight and look around you.

I’m looking around me and all I see is a emp “zergball”, is that what your referring too?

Now you’re even more confused. The zergball I’m talking about is not red.

I’ll admit I am actually confused, so your trying to say SoR is running a zergball and not EMP, even though in the image posted its EMP that has the 70+zergball standing outside of garrison?

I think what you’re confused at is that you do not know what an 80+ zergball is. Seriously, let me give you the steps to figure out what an 80+ zergbal is.

1) Log into the game.
2) Click on the wvw icon.
3) Run to a commander pin.
4) Look around you and pay attention to what is not red.
5) There, that’s a zergball.

You have blown my mind, literally. We obviously have different opinions on what a “zergball” is. Go ahead and follow those steps yourself and see what you come up with, EMP’s zergball is currently on SoR BL.

I think so to because I have heard repeatedly from you guys that your group is only 25 max. You want to ask other servers who have faced SOR to see if that is true?

So BG, do you think the SOR zergball is 25 max? JQ, same question, is it 25 max?

Don’t get so heated, it is just a game at the end of the day. SoR has and does run zergballs, of that I was not arguing with. Those zergballs are formed for various reasons that could possibly be above your comprehension but I will attempt to explain as well as Jed did in last weeks post? Guild A. beats guild B, Guild B rally’s more forces to fight Guild A.. Guild A wipes and rallys more to fight the Guild B + friends and i’m hoping you can piece the rest of that puzzle together yourself. Fact remains TW is 20 strong every night, when EMP comes onto a map with 50+ guildies, of course we are gonna grab Tsym as a flank group or vice versa when we simply cant field that many numbers.

So we have a confirmation that TW is 20 strong every night right?

Hoots.9564:

jojojoon.8607:

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jojojoon.8607:

Hoots.9564:

jojojoon.8607:

Hoots.9564:

jojojoon.8607:

Nah, that’s not true. When I see an 80+ zergball, I know it’s an 80+ zergball. That screenshot does not show an 80+ zergball. Next time you play, just look around you. That’s an 80+ zergball.

I’m confused then, what is that you see there? I see a main force lead by noodles with 40 and a flank group of 30+, if you nudge one of those forces the other comes in to flank hard which in turn creates your “zergball” as you say. I would agree with you if they actually ran around doing various things apart from one another but the fact remains that they are running around connected at the hip, which in turn is producing a loot pinata for everyone on SoR.

I think you’re the only one confused. Again, I repeat. I know what an 80+ zergball is when I see one. If you do not know what an 80+ zergball is, please log in tonight and look around you.

I’m looking around me and all I see is a emp “zergball”, is that what your referring too?

Now you’re even more confused. The zergball I’m talking about is not red.

I’ll admit I am actually confused, so your trying to say SoR is running a zergball and not EMP, even though in the image posted its EMP that has the 70+zergball standing outside of garrison?

I think what you’re confused at is that you do not know what an 80+ zergball is. Seriously, let me give you the steps to figure out what an 80+ zergbal is.

1) Log into the game.
2) Click on the wvw icon.
3) Run to a commander pin.
4) Look around you and pay attention to what is not red.
5) There, that’s a zergball.

You have blown my mind, literally. We obviously have different opinions on what a “zergball” is. Go ahead and follow those steps yourself and see what you come up with, EMP’s zergball is currently on SoR BL.

I think so to because I have heard repeatedly from you guys that your group is only 25 max. You want to ask other servers who have faced SOR to see if that is true?

So BG, do you think the SOR zergball is 25 max? JQ, same question, is it 25 max?

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jojojoon.8607:

Hoots.9564:

jojojoon.8607:

Hoots.9564:

jojojoon.8607:

Nah, that’s not true. When I see an 80+ zergball, I know it’s an 80+ zergball. That screenshot does not show an 80+ zergball. Next time you play, just look around you. That’s an 80+ zergball.

I’m confused then, what is that you see there? I see a main force lead by noodles with 40 and a flank group of 30+, if you nudge one of those forces the other comes in to flank hard which in turn creates your “zergball” as you say. I would agree with you if they actually ran around doing various things apart from one another but the fact remains that they are running around connected at the hip, which in turn is producing a loot pinata for everyone on SoR.

I think you’re the only one confused. Again, I repeat. I know what an 80+ zergball is when I see one. If you do not know what an 80+ zergball is, please log in tonight and look around you.

I’m looking around me and all I see is a emp “zergball”, is that what your referring too?

Now you’re even more confused. The zergball I’m talking about is not red.

I’ll admit I am actually confused, so your trying to say SoR is running a zergball and not EMP, even though in the image posted its EMP that has the 70+zergball standing outside of garrison?

I think what you’re confused at is that you do not know what an 80+ zergball is. Seriously, let me give you the steps to figure out what an 80+ zergbal is.

1) Log into the game.
2) Click on the wvw icon.
3) Run to a commander pin.
4) Look around you and pay attention to what is not red.
5) There, that’s a zergball.

Hoots.9564:

jojojoon.8607:

Hoots.9564:

jojojoon.8607:

Nah, that’s not true. When I see an 80+ zergball, I know it’s an 80+ zergball. That screenshot does not show an 80+ zergball. Next time you play, just look around you. That’s an 80+ zergball.

I’m confused then, what is that you see there? I see a main force lead by noodles with 40 and a flank group of 30+, if you nudge one of those forces the other comes in to flank hard which in turn creates your “zergball” as you say. I would agree with you if they actually ran around doing various things apart from one another but the fact remains that they are running around connected at the hip, which in turn is producing a loot pinata for everyone on SoR.

I think you’re the only one confused. Again, I repeat. I know what an 80+ zergball is when I see one. If you do not know what an 80+ zergball is, please log in tonight and look around you.

I’m looking around me and all I see is a emp “zergball”, is that what your referring too?

Now you’re even more confused. The zergball I’m talking about is not red.

Hoots.9564:

jojojoon.8607:

Nah, that’s not true. When I see an 80+ zergball, I know it’s an 80+ zergball. That screenshot does not show an 80+ zergball. Next time you play, just look around you. That’s an 80+ zergball.

I’m confused then, what is that you see there? I see a main force lead by noodles with 40 and a flank group of 30+, if you nudge one of those forces the other comes in to flank hard which in turn creates your “zergball” as you say. I would agree with you if they actually ran around doing various things apart from one another but the fact remains that they are running around connected at the hip, which in turn is producing a loot pinata for everyone on SoR.

I think you’re the only one confused. Again, I repeat. I know what an 80+ zergball is when I see one. If you do not know what an 80+ zergball is, please log in tonight and look around you.

They don’t really need to spend a lot of time to make the map balanced. Even if a map is not 100% balanced for all 3 servers, it is still ok, as long as each borderland uses the same map. The current borderland is not balanced 100% either since garrison can easily treb bay. But since each server has Bay as one of their home keeps in 1 of the borderland, it makes it ok.

Thundar.3910:

jojojoon.8607:

Thundar.3910:

EMP doesn’t zerg-ball they DOUBLE SUPER ULTRA ZERG-BALL!!

What a large 80+zergball is that you have multiple guilds who are 20+ stacking and running all together along with all the PUGs to form a 80+ zergball.

The screenshot you posted looks to me EMP split up their force into 2 groups. So, it’s the opposite of what you’re saying. When is splitting up a group of 40+ into 2 groups of 20+ running a large zergball? Also, I did not see a lot of non-Emp in the screenshot which probably indicates that there is another PUG group running around somewhere else.

To summarize, that screenshot is an indication that EMP from JQ is at least trying to not always run in 80+ zergballs unlike some server which will skill lag everyone to death.

Well it was a jest post mister crabby pants, it’s also meant to point out that while groups tend to run together exagerating an 80+ zergball is easy, which seems to happen quite often on this here forum.

Nah, that’s not true. When I see an 80+ zergball, I know it’s an 80+ zergball. That screenshot does not show an 80+ zergball. Next time you play, just look around you. That’s an 80+ zergball.

Dramen Maidriam, which server are you from?

covenn.7165:

jojojoon.8607:

To summarize, that screenshot is an indication that EMP from JQ is at least trying to not always run in 80+ zergballs unlike some server which will skill lag everyone to death.

Not really, they were still running together. Nice try though. I enjoyed fighting them this evening, glad they had that many.

So you like running 80+ zergball to skill lag everyone to death?

Thundar.3910:

EMP doesn’t zerg-ball they DOUBLE SUPER ULTRA ZERG-BALL!!

What a large 80+zergball is that you have multiple guilds who are 20+ stacking and running all together along with all the PUGs to form a 80+ zergball.

The screenshot you posted looks to me EMP split up their force into 2 groups. So, it’s the opposite of what you’re saying. When is splitting up a group of 40+ into 2 groups of 20+ running a large zergball? Also, I did not see a lot of non-Emp in the screenshot which probably indicates that there is another PUG group running around somewhere else.

To summarize, that screenshot is an indication that EMP from JQ is at least trying to not always run in 80+ zergballs unlike some server which will skill lag everyone to death.

In the other games, you’re shouting “looking for healer” before doing the dungeon. Here, you shout “fotm lvl 20” before you do the dungeon.

I I don’t agree with your last point. If my server puts down 50 siege and spend time to run supply to build all of them (which could take hours if a small team is doing it), I do not want them to be despawn when we have people constantly refreshing them.

sdsakuragi.8170:

I wish Auto Loot actually worked like the name suggests. : (

Agreed… When I clicked on the auto loot checkbox the first time and didn’t see stuff appearing in my inventory, I thought it was some sort of bug.

In counterstrike, I’ve seen a lot of custom maps made by players. What if Anet allows the players to submit maps to wvw team for review, and if the map looks good, it is added to the map rotation. Imagine a new borderland map every week…

I think someone did a calculation with getting the final title for capturing SM, and his conclusion was that it would take like a few million years to get that title if you spend every second of your life in wvw.

To be honest, I hope that Anet adds more resources to the wvw team. Pvp has been the end game for many of the previous mmos and gw2 is no different. I don’t do any pve content and I’m still playing because of wvw. I have friends who have quit after 2 months because all they did was pve and it got stale very fast for them since there’s nothing to do after lvl 80.

Server A can have more people that server B, but if server A has more PVE players, then they’re most likely going to lose the match.

If they lower the wvw queue for certain servers and not all server, isn’t that match manipulation? I don’t think they want to go down that route…

I’m been wondering.. I know many people say that people in the JP counts as a player in wvw. However, it appears that when you go to the JP, you’re loading a different instance than the wvw map. In this case, shouldn’t it not count towards the map count?

The current version of the leaderboards isn’t really useful at all since the mos site provides all these stats already. Let’s hope there are major additions to it in the next version.

oldephartte.4369:

Simple solution. Put a cap on the number of non-NA players allowed on any one NA server based on a +/- percentage of the total number of non-NA players on NA servers with the objective of fairly balancing the the population of non-NA players across all the NA servers to make game play more competitive 7/24.

Wow, not this again. At least the post above yours shows that during non NA peak hours, if people were willing to log in to help the non NA group, they could make an impact on the score during those time zones, especially on a Sunday.

I just don’t agree with kicking non NA players off of NA servers. Not really trying to start anything, but seriously, when you make these types of posts, have you thought of what happens to the non NA players on YOUR server? You’re basically advocating to have them kicked off. Don’t you think they feel unwelcome with their servermates wanting them off of the server?

Edit:
I have friends from europe and australia that I have met from other games playing this game with me. If GW2 restricts my non NA friends from playing with me on an NA server, then pretty much, I’m leaving the game.

Ardon.4105:

jojojoon.8607:

Mike.3742:

Ardon.4105:

Rogi.8720:

jojojoon.8607:

Mike.3742:

I think all sea eu guilds should leave NA servers and go play with even numbers on a EU server. I wouldn’t hold it against you guys if you wanted to go enjoy real fights with dozens of strong guilds on a EU server.

So you guys don’t want OCX and AFS?

You are a fail troll lol. Please just stop posting on the forums. You make JQ look terrible.

jojo’s comment doesn’t really look like trolling to me. Seems more like a legitimate assumption based off of what mike said.

I’m not even on SOR and I don’t post enough for people to assume what server I’m on so assuming something and running with it like Forest Gump is grounds for being called a troll. I was talking in general for all NA servers. I get that a lot of JQ don’t want even matches. I’m sure there is a bunch of JQ that would welcome closer matches were the outcome is decided when NA prime is on. All three servers have strong guilds at that time and can play with the best of them and I would challenge anyone to show how one NA prime server will ppt at 500 for 6 hours? I also said I wouldn’t hold it against the sea and eu guilds. I know a lot would cry there faces off if they bailed like some people out there. I can understand how exciting it would be to go fight with even numbers and even competition. The fights they could have every night on a eu server would trump any they get now. One would think?

So you’re saying you’re on BG now?

He’s on blackgate, but that’s not the point. One of my posts seems to have been lost in this conversation.

Anyways, I just meant that saying all the SEA and Oceanic players would be having more fun in the EU bracket is a pretty big assumption to make. I mean, why are they all here if that was the case?

It’s quite silly for him to even ask that. Like you said, our EU and Oceanic/SEA guilds are a pretty big part of our servers. Asking for all these pillars of the community to just up and leave in the name of balance is a large request.

Thanks for the clarification. I edited my earlier post to add why I thought he was from SOR before I saw this.

Mike.3742:

Ardon.4105:

Rogi.8720:

jojojoon.8607:

Mike.3742:

I think all sea eu guilds should leave NA servers and go play with even numbers on a EU server. I wouldn’t hold it against you guys if you wanted to go enjoy real fights with dozens of strong guilds on a EU server.

So you guys don’t want OCX and AFS?

You are a fail troll lol. Please just stop posting on the forums. You make JQ look terrible.

jojo’s comment doesn’t really look like trolling to me. Seems more like a legitimate assumption based off of what mike said.

I’m not even on SOR and I don’t post enough for people to assume what server I’m on so assuming something and running with it like Forest Gump is grounds for being called a troll. I was talking in general for all NA servers. I get that a lot of JQ don’t want even matches. I’m sure there is a bunch of JQ that would welcome closer matches were the outcome is decided when NA prime is on. All three servers have strong guilds at that time and can play with the best of them and I would challenge anyone to show how one NA prime server will ppt at 500 for 6 hours? I also said I wouldn’t hold it against the sea and eu guilds. I know a lot would cry there faces off if they bailed like some people out there. I can understand how exciting it would be to go fight with even numbers and even competition. The fights they could have every night on a eu server would trump any they get now. One would think?

So you’re saying you’re on BG now?

You’re posting in a SOR-JQ-BG matchup thread, and you know a lot about these servers and the current matchup, so it’s safe to assume you’re on one of these servers. Obviously, you’re not from JQ since you’re complaining at the fact that they’re scoring so high during SEA time slot and you want JQ’s SEA to move out of the server.

You said you’re not from SOR so that leaves BG. However, it doesn’t make sense that you’re from BG. BG, in the past, has never cared about NA prime. HB, one of their core wvw guild and in which many can say in a way represents their server, is an EU guild. They have just lost one of their leaders and it’s having a major effect not with just their guild but their entire server. So, I seriously doubt any BG player would want HB to be moved out of BG just so NA servers can have all NA players.

The only server in tier 1 that has chest thumped about their NA team continuously is SOR since they can field the most wvw guilds/players in NA prime. It only makes sense that an SOR player would want the wvw matchup to only be for NA players.

Rogi.8720:

jojojoon.8607:

Mike.3742:

I think all sea eu guilds should leave NA servers and go play with even numbers on a EU server. I wouldn’t hold it against you guys if you wanted to go enjoy real fights with dozens of strong guilds on a EU server.

So you guys don’t want OCX and AFS?

You are a fail troll lol. Please just stop posting on the forums. You make JQ look terrible.

Troll? That was a legit question. Read his post. He said he wants all non NA players to leave NA servers. As far as I know, OCX is an oceanic guild and AFS is an asian guild. SOR is a NA server. That means they have to leave SOR.

Unless what he wants is that all non NA players to leave BG and JQ while SOR gets to keep all non NA players.

Mike.3742:

I think all sea eu guilds should leave NA servers and go play with even numbers on a EU server. I wouldn’t hold it against you guys if you wanted to go enjoy real fights with dozens of strong guilds on a EU server.

So you guys don’t want OCX and AFS?